See link...not saying whether it is valid or not - asking you sm
Posted By: MeMT on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: what i the source for this?? - ExMQMT
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You have a very valid point........
I've noticed on this board alone that if anything is said against Obama, you MUST be a racist! So, unfortunately, on this board at least and probably over the country, if anything is said that opposes Obama, you will be called a racist because that's all they know to do.
Obama wants you to be dependent on the government for all your needs, as so many already do where I live. He will do absolutely nothing to help you, but will only make it worse. Most of us with any common sense know full well you can't help anyone by continuing to keep them down. Obama has every intentio of not only doing just that but bringing in the middle class as well to become dependent on the government, thereby empowering government to become more powerful.......
Unfortunately, I have noticed so many on this board actually believe the government's job is to POLICE their lives. They don't have a clue what their constitution says, what it means, and they actually believe BIGGER government means a better life for them. Most of those that scream racist on this board are just plain lame and very sad indeed and they know nothing else! Working hard to pay your bills seems to fall on deaf ears with those that think free handouts are a blessing. They don't have a clue about the American spirit and no doubt couldn't recite the pledge of allegiance or sing the star spangled banner without looking at the words......
and I say the same....go ahead and flame away. I truly couldn't care less.
I do think these are valid concerns...(sm)
and ones that have to be addressed. However, I don't see anything wrong with setting a goal, which is what Obama has done by saying it should be closed in 1 year. I think he purposely left himself some leeway by saying a year, and at the same time let people like me who support him that it will get done.
Personally I think they should be tried in a military court, which would avoid a lot of the bureaucracy that is associated with the regular US court system. They may want to go by the world court rules when trying them? You're right. Noone knows exactly how this is going to be done yet, but we all know that something has to be done.
As far as housing them here, I don't see a problem with that. Right now we house murderers, rapists, and some of the worst criminals immaginable. I don't think that these prisoners from Gitmo would pose anymore of a threat that some that are already there. However, I do think that Gitmo prisoners would have a really hard time in a prison here because of other prisoners.
Obviously, there is a lot to be worked out, especially when it comes to those in Gitmo who are actually guilty, but there has to be something done soon about the ones who aren't.
That is a valid point to consider
but what about those pregnant woman who are murdered and they are pregnant and the murderer is charge with double homicide. Why is the killing of a fetus okay in one circumstance but considered murder in another. LOL! It starts to get confusing when you look at every little thing.
I just think abortion is something that does need some form of guidelines.
That is a valid argument. Thank you
What's missing is a valid premise.
nm
It is a valid political issue.
"We people" do not consider it a bunch of tissue. We believe, as does YOUR VP candidate, that life begins at conception.
you posed some valid points
I honestly have to tell you I read your post with an open mind and I understand what you are saying. I don't think we can go to war with everyone and I don't think we should. But on the other hand I think there has to be a better way of just thinking your going to be able to sit down with the most extreme who hate Americans and want to see our country destroyed and believe that by just talking with them they'll become our friends and say, "yes your right, we've been wrong all along, what can we do to help you" (well not exactly in those words), but I just think that for someone to think your going to be able to sit and reason with them is a little naive. Look what happened when we tried to reason with Saddam Hussein. He would not reason and threatened us with nuclear and biological weapons. He destroyed wildlife, oceans, and set his own oil fields ablaze. I think we do have to be strong and we need other countries to stand with us. To tell you the truth I don't know what a good solution would be, and I'll tell you one thing I do know is that whether John McCain or Barack Obama gets elected they are going to have one big mess to try and fix.
O has already provided valid evidence and
fanatics to hound and stalk him like hunted prey. Fanatics also unsuccessfully tried to use the guilt by association argument to win the election. It did not work then and is will not help them now.
Four years ago makes it no less valid and...
You are operating under the false assumption that we have had a "free market" over the past four years.
email petitions are not valid - nm
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Starcat made a very valid point.
You don't tolerate irresponsibility when it comes to pet owners (which I agree with, by the way), yet you seem to welcome it when it comes to your political party. One has to ask why you continue to sing the praises of and support the most irresponsible administration in US history, yet you express outrage about a cat owner. Just doesn't make sense.
And as far as you being tolerant, one only needs to take a quick look at the conservative board to see how laughable that really is. You and your cohorts post the most intolerant posts I've ever seen anywhere on the internet.
I do agree with you about pet owners being responsible. I am a pet owner and keep my pets under control simply because I love them and want to keep them safe.
I agree - it's a valid issue - for the WOLF.
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I think I meant to say you "posted" some valid points
It's late and I'm tired and been typing since 7:30 am, so fingers are getting tired.
valid points and YES, people are buying
concerning, huh?
What? She has a valid question and stating facts.
nm
Make sure your complaints are valid before spewing them.
nm
Like lack of a valid birth certificate and that he...sm
would absolutely in no uncertain terms allow pork barrel projects? I could go on and on about the FACTS as the liberals see it, but by my dictionary - and without regard to news media or the channels thereof - these are NOT facts! Just wait - you'll find out for yourself. I'll be right here to tell you "I tried to tell you so!"
More media mantra does not a valid point make.
nm
Wow...good post. Lots of valid questions...
First and foremost...lower taxes equal better economy. We have to figure out a way to improve things without tax, tax, tax. I don't care WHO they tax. Fact is, over 90% of the total tax bill in this country is paid by the so-called rich. I am not in any way rich, but I think if they are bearing 90% of the burden already, that is enough. The government has to learn to live within its means. Sticking a windfall profits tax on oil companies when we are paying what we are paying at the pump is just nuts to me, but that is what Obama wants to do. And then redistribute that money to people (who did nothing to earn it) for whatever reason he wants to do it. Yes, people will have a little money to spend on gas, but gas will only go higher as a result of the tax...so I do not see a win there.
As to public education...my personal opinion is if they stopped building Taj Mahal schools (that look like the Pentagon) and spend more money on actually educating the children...less opulent buildings and paying teachers more...we would see better results. The state I live in has ridiculous property taxes which go directly into the school systems and yes we have school buildings that rival the best architecture around...but our graduate rate and testing scores is way down. You would think that would tell people something, wouldn't you? That maybe opulent buildings don't translate into a good education? I don't know what the answer to that is. Obviously writing letters and calling people does no good...have tried both.
As to socialized medicine...I think that would be a horror. For a multitude of reasons. We hve the best health care in the world, that's why leaders of other countries bring their families here to be treated. We have the premier schools and treatment facilities. How many foreign physicians are trained here? I think we all know the answer to that. They tried it in Massachusetts (state run health care), and while it was a good program on paper, it was doomed to fail. They are millions in the hole. The inevitable end of socialized medicine. When they can't meet the bills, taxes will have to go up or jobs will be lost, services will be cut...that is the way it goes and i would rather not sacrifice the quality of health care on the altar of getting it free.
I agree that there should be some regulation and oversight of insurance companies to get premiums into the real world, that's for sure. And whatever programs that remain to make sure children are insured need to be monitored for abuse. they don't need to institute programs that cannot be monitored. That makes no sense fiscally or any other way.
One thing I would like to see is a flat income tax. A straight across the board percentage with no deductions. No loopholes. No nothing. That way everyone pays the same percentage of their income, no matter what that income is. That is what I would like to see. The government would save millions in processing costs alone.
As to how do you know who is being sincere and who is just making campaign promises? They are both just making campaign promises. They will follow through on a few of them, most of them they won't. History tells you that. Politicians basically tell you what they think you want to hear. My take on it is the campaign promises that most closely follow what i want for the country, my family, that follows my value system, is the man/woman I am going to vote for. So if just a few of the things that are promised come to fruition, that is a good thing.
On the other hand, voting for someone who does not share my value system, is for things I think will be bad for the country...on the face of it...a no win there. No pluses to go there.
But that is just me.
A valid point. Substitute "NeoCon" for repub
nm
Maybe she will when Obamarama produces a valid birth certificate. nm
nm
Eloquent post. Many valid reasons why I hope
Some of the sweetest and most devoted couples I know are same-sex. They pay taxes, are all highly educated and make my community a better place. They adore their children, their pets, their friends. To think they're denied the simple right of marriage, is heartbreaking.
Interestingly, I only have only one couple of friends who are married, who are same RACE. All the rest are black & white, white & Asian, Asian & Latino, Filippino and black, etc. I remember back when I was a teen, my parents actually didn't want me hanging out with a certain friend because her parents were a mixed-race couple. They thought it was 'scandalous'.
Well, that has all changed, and you better believe that every vote I cast will hopefully work towards bringing about equality in marriage for ALL couples.
post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
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Okay, thanks, that's not what my link said. SM
Mine also said he failed to mention this case when being questioned. Well, there's a thousand stories out there. It really doesn't matter to me. It doesn't affect how I think of him one way or the other.
Link
Here is one link to it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/02/eveningnews/main692497.shtml
But this is not where I originally saw it - I believe it was covered on PBS which is where I saw it.
here is the link
I didnt want to put the report here as there is some profanity that Bush has used to his staff but here is the link.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml
trying again with the link
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml
link
http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole
Link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/21/AR2006032100452.html?referrer=email&referrer=email&referrer=email
If you can't see it try this link.sm
http://www.justcomments.com/funnycomments-images/oh_no.gif
- see link
sign the petition
Link
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
Better link...sm
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-pett18jun18,0,3422826.story
Its the first cartoon on the right.
Link please. Thanks. nm
Here's the link.
By the way, that wasn't a good quote. That was a GREAT quote. In fact, your entire post was great. Thanks very much for posting it. You are so right and I couldn't agree with you more.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/red_alert_for_staged_terror_attack.htm
The link says
it is a 'malformed video.' Let me guess. Bush lied.
See link below.nm
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Thanks for the link.
This whole thing is so ironic. Maybe Iraqi troops will be the next to come and participate in Bush's martial law.
No link..nm
The Link
The link to Bush Body Count is in the original post. Again, I don't believe a word of it, because I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty.
See link
What's the deal guys?
You said you cannot get the whole link...
to come up without it being cut off. It's too long? So, you go to tinyurl, cut and paste your long link, and they will make the link shorter for you.
How odd--try link below
www.americanIssuesProject.org That will take you to the same thing, including an article about Obama.
Link...
http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm
Link
Click the link below:
see link
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/BIZ/712200327
See link
Good article - really talks about how nasty the media has been in this, and also more.- good read
http://www.gazette.net/stories/09122008/polilee181803_32478.shtml
Thanks for the link....sm
So true about the media, isn't it?
Also saw this on CNN last night, and was surprised that they allowed this viewpoint on their website.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html
Thanks for the link
I've read it and can't tell if it is a more favorable article towards the republicans or democrats, so don't have anything to argue about that. However, the study only worked on 45 people? They are basing a study on just 45 people when the US is made up of 301,139,947 people (as of Jul 07). Like I say, I can't tell by the article which political group this benefits but it just seems to be an unreasonable basis to base the way a whole country votes on just 45 people (and all from the same region of the US) - again not sure if Nebraska is more liberal or conservative. Just seems like an invalid study to me.
here is another link about the same
see if this one comes through...
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476649n
I don't know if this will help at all, but try this link. sm
www.PatriotPost.US
It is a conservative newsletter that, IMO, tries to present an equally balanced view of what is going on. It is not always in easy to understand words, but you get an explanation that makes sense of what is going on.
Try it, you might just be surprised.
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