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Thank you - Intolerance is the worst religion of all

Posted By: sm on 2008-09-10
In Reply to: I prefer Muslims to Christians! - Jewish MT

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Intolerance??? sm
So I'm intolerant because I have a biblical world view but those who would tell me to go live on a deserted planet aren't intolerant?

Amazing.

Those who say that freedom of speech includes allowing p*orn to be accessible to children at school and in public libraries tell me that I do not have the freedom to express my religious beliefs?

Incredible.

What IS this world coming to? Living on a deserted planet may soon become preferrable to living next door to the likes of you.
Is that what liberals are about, really? Intolerance? nm
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And the more I see of this type of intolerance..
the more I fear for our civil rights. People have sex. There is war, murder, rape, mutilation, etc., all over this world and it has been this way for eons. Take your religiosity to a deserted planet and you can squeeze your Bible all you want. It is MY right not to live under your rules or beliefs.
Please post examples of hatred and intolerance...sm
that you say describes the Republicans, please.

Other than Hannity, maybe, I can't think of any, so don't include him please. He sometimes is an island to himself. And don't include Rush, he doesn't hate democrats either, you just perceive him to.

Now O'Reilly, he's just plain weird these days, can't say hatred comes from him, he really does try to be fair and balance, no matter what the dems say about him. He's so fair and balanced, he leans too far to the left a lot lately. Can't figure that one out for the life of me, and dems still say he's banked far to the right...lol


Across the board, what I see, is the intolerance coming from the liberal democratics, one of which I used to be, oh so many moons ago.

I disagree with their platform as it has evolved, however.

Particularly the free speech thing, which only applies to them.


Examples please, without the above caveats.
Your stick-up-your-butt rigidity and intolerance -
What goes around, comes around, and people who think with their retentive anuses instead of their minds, usually get what's coming to them in the end. So if that's the thinking and the politics you align with, then I'm just so very happy for you.

You've been spouting off for weeks with reams and reams of copied and linked material that you think was written by God himself. You criticise every post that suggests that the poster is of another party, or even that they are open to ideas other than YOURS.

And the REALLY sad thing is, you actually think that what you write actually MATTERS, and that people listen to what you say and think, and that they actually care. Well know what? Most people on here don't give a flying F_ _ K what you think.
Case in point. Complete intolerance for any view other than their own.
This is what the Democratic party has become.
Intolerance goes both ways, and your post should be directed to all on this board....sm
not just the conservatives.

In fact, you yourself, have posted to the extreme pro-Obama, if I'm not mistaken. (unless I'm thinking of someone with a similar name, if so, a thousand pardons).


Depending on which day you come, either side of the political agenda has their say and sway, way to the extreme.


Some of us tend to be in the middle, sometimes more to the right, sometimes more to the left.



Myself, these days, I'm sick and tired of McCain, and still can't stand Obama.


But you and anybody else are free to have your say.


Just don't attempt to say it's all one-sided, because it's not. And if you were fair, it's usually one-sided in favor of Obama, not McCain.


I, personally, am sick of politics in general, all ways around, with no good candidate, really, on either side of the spectrum.
LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.

You don't want EQUALITY in religion.  You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others.  You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American.  You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.


You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court.  And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.


Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.


There already ARE religous schools and universities.  Isn't THAT enough for you?


And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE?  I believe they're called CHURCHES.  Isn't THAT enough for you, either?


Nope.  You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*


The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!


Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
If they want to believe the worst, let them.
Toxic, just toxic.
bush the worst

Maybe not the worst in US history...
US Grant had lots of problems with the whole Teapot Dome scandal brought on by his best friends - great General, poor President. The list goes on and I'm sure one day Bush will be added to it, but I'm not sure he deserves the title of Worst.
ACK! My worst nightmare!
That was just mean, LOL.
Even the worst of ideas

and plans that don't and won't work can be presented eloquently and there certainly will be people dumb enough to believe that those ideas and plan will actually work.  This is all a bunch of fluff to get elected.  Obama does give hope....it is called FALSE HOPE! 


NOBAMA!!!!


This is washington at its worst
What an absolutely lying piece of garbage this guy is. The dems want to pass all their little pork projects at the tax payers expense. He certainly is not going to be paying any in taxes for this...WE ARE!!! I'm sick of crooked politicians getting up saying... the American people don't care. The American people want this or don't want that, when it's a blatant lie. News flash...he doesn't care about the American people. He should be among the top to be thrown out of DC. Talk about the ol BP rising today.
WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

VOTE FOR BUSH--As the worst!!!
338 OF 415 HISTORIANS SAY G.W.B.

IS THE FAILING AS A PRESIDENT- DO YOU AGREE?*

An overwhelming 338 of 415 historians polled by George Mason University
said Friday that George W. Bush is failing as a president. And fifty of
them rated Bush as the worst president ever, ranking him above (below?)
any other past president - even those you've never heard of who were
also really awful. Why do these misguided, obviously-socialist,
ivy-smoking and - of course -American-hating intellectuals feel that Bush isn't
doing his best?

Well, they look at the record ...

# He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend
and foe alike in the process;
# He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive
military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;
# He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and
state;
# He has repeatedly misled, to use a kind word, the American people
on affairs domestic and foreign;
# He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and
foreign (Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);
# He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of
pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;
# He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;
# He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems,
corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. Perhaps it is too early to evaluate a president -
or is it?


The Worst President in History? sm

The Worst President in History?


One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush






George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.

From time to time, after hours, I kick back with my colleagues at Princeton to argue idly about which president really was the worst of them all. For years, these perennial debates have largely focused on the same handful of chief executives whom national polls of historians, from across the ideological and political spectrum, routinely cite as the bottom of the presidential barrel. Was the lousiest James Buchanan, who, confronted with Southern secession in 1860, dithered to a degree that, as his most recent biographer has said, probably amounted to disloyalty -- and who handed to his successor, Abraham Lincoln, a nation already torn asunder? Was it Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson, who actively sided with former Confederates and undermined Reconstruction? What about the amiably incompetent Warren G. Harding, whose administration was fabulously corrupt? Or, though he has his defenders, Herbert Hoover, who tried some reforms but remained imprisoned in his own outmoded individualist ethic and collapsed under the weight of the stock-market crash of 1929 and the Depression's onset? The younger historians always put in a word for Richard M. Nixon, the only American president forced to resign from office.


Now, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a failure. Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's pursuit of disastrous policies. In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.


The lopsided decision of historians should give everyone pause. Contrary to popular stereotypes, historians are generally a cautious bunch. We assess the past from widely divergent points of view and are deeply concerned about being viewed as fair and accurate by our colleagues. When we make historical judgments, we are acting not as voters or even pundits, but as scholars who must evaluate all the evidence, good, bad or indifferent. Separate surveys, conducted by those perceived as conservatives as well as liberals, show remarkable unanimity about who the best and worst presidents have been.


Historians do tend, as a group, to be far more liberal than the citizenry as a whole -- a fact the president's admirers have seized on to dismiss the poll results as transparently biased. One pro-Bush historian said the survey revealed more about the current crop of history professors than about Bush or about Bush's eventual standing. But if historians were simply motivated by a strong collective liberal bias, they might be expected to call Bush the worst president since his father, or Ronald Reagan, or Nixon. Instead, more than half of those polled -- and nearly three-fourths of those who gave Bush a negative rating -- reached back before Nixon to find a president they considered as miserable as Bush. The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled -- nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success -- flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.


Even worse for the president, the general public, having once given Bush the highest approval ratings ever recorded, now appears to be coming around to the dismal view held by most historians. To be sure, the president retains a considerable base of supporters who believe in and adore him, and who reject all criticism with a mixture of disbelief and fierce contempt -- about one-third of the electorate. (When the columnist Richard Reeves publicized the historians' poll last year and suggested it might have merit, he drew thousands of abusive replies that called him an idiot and that praised Bush as, in one writer's words, a Christian who actually acts on his deeply held beliefs.) Yet the ranks of the true believers have thinned dramatically. A majority of voters in forty-three states now disapprove of Bush's handling of his job. Since the commencement of reliable polling in the 1940s, only one twice-elected president has seen his ratings fall as low as Bush's in his second term: Richard Nixon, during the months preceding his resignation in 1974. No two-term president since polling began has fallen from such a height of popularity as Bush's (in the neighborhood of ninety percent, during the patriotic upswell following the 2001 attacks) to such a low (now in the midthirties). No president, including Harry Truman (whose ratings sometimes dipped below Nixonian levels), has experienced such a virtually unrelieved decline as Bush has since his high point. Apart from sharp but temporary upticks that followed the commencement of the Iraq war and the capture of Saddam Hussein, and a recovery during the weeks just before and after his re-election, the Bush trend has been a profile in fairly steady disillusionment.


The Republicans' worst nightmare --

Honest voting machines.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/ELECTRONIC_VOTING_LAWSUITSITE=NHPOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


Iraq Progresses To Some Of Its Worst

WASHINGTON, Dec 29 (IPS) - Despite all the claims of improvements, 2007 has been the worst year yet in Iraq.

One of the first big moves this year was the launch of a troop "surge" by the U.S. government in mid-February. The goal was to improve security in Baghdad and the western al-Anbar province, the two most violent areas. By June, an additional 28,000 troops had been deployed to Iraq, bringing the total number up to more than 160,000.

By autumn, there were over 175,000 U.S. military personnel in Iraq. This is the highest number of U.S. troops deployed yet, and while the U.S. government continues to talk of withdrawing some, the numbers on the ground appear to contradict these promises.

The Bush administration said the "surge" was also aimed at curbing sectarian killings, and to gain time for political reform for the government of U.S.-backed Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

During the surge, the number of Iraqis displaced from their homes quadrupled, according to the Iraqi Red Crescent. By the end of 2007, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) estimated that there are over 2.3 million internally displaced persons within Iraq, and over 2.3 million Iraqis who have fled the country.

Iraq has a population around 25 million.

The non-governmental organisation Refugees International describes Iraq's refugee problem as "the world's fastest growing refugee crisis."

In October the Syrian government began requiring visas for Iraqis. Until then it was the only country to allow Iraqis in without visas. The new restrictions have led some Iraqis to return to Baghdad, but that number is well below 50,000.

A recent UNHCR survey of families returning found that less than 18 percent did so by choice. Most came back because they lacked a visa, had run out of money abroad, or were deported.

Sectarian killings have decreased in recent months, but still continue. Bodies continue to be dumped on the streets of Baghdad daily.

One reason for a decrease in the level of violence is that most of Baghdad has essentially been divided along sectarian lines. Entire neighbourhoods are now surrounded by concrete blast walls several metres high, with strict security checkpoints. Normal life has all but vanished.

The Iraqi Red Crescent estimates that eight out of ten refugees are from Baghdad.

By the end of 2007, attacks against occupation forces decreased substantially, but still number more than 2,000 monthly. Iraqi infrastructure, like supply of potable water and electricity are improving, but remain below pre-invasion levels. Similarly with jobs and oil exports. Unemployment, according to the Iraqi government, ranges between 60-70 percent.

An Oxfam International report released in July says 70 percent of Iraqis lack access to safe drinking water, and 43 percent live on less than a dollar a day. The report also states that eight million Iraqis are in need of emergency assistance.

"Iraqis are suffering from a growing lack of food, shelter, water and sanitation, healthcare, education, and employment," the report says. "Of the four million Iraqis who are dependent on food assistance, only 60 percent currently have access to rations through the government-run Public Distribution System (PDS), down from 96 percent in 2004."

Nearly 10 million people depend on the fragile rationing system. In December, the Iraqi government announced it would cut the number of items in the food ration from ten to five due to "insufficient funds and spiralling inflation." The inflation rate is officially said to be around 70 percent.

The cuts are to be introduced in the beginning of 2008, and have led to warnings of social unrest if measures are not taken to address rising poverty and unemployment.

Iraq's children continue to suffer most. Child malnutrition rates have increased from 19 percent during the economic sanctions period prior to the invasion, to 28 percent today.

This year has also been one of the bloodiest of the entire occupation. The group Just Foreign Policy, "an independent and non-partisan mass membership organisation dedicated to reforming U.S. foreign policy," estimates the total number of Iraqis killed so far due to the U.S.-led invasion and occupation to be 1,139,602.

This year 894 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq, making 2007 the deadliest year of the entire occupation for the U.S. military, according to ICasualties.org.

To date, at least 3,896 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq, according to the U.S. Department of Defence.

A part of the U.S. military's effort to reduce violence has been to pay former resistance fighters. Late in 2007, the U.S. military began paying monthly wages of 300 dollars to former militants, calling them now "concerned local citizens."

While this policy has cut violence in al-Anbar, it has also increased political divisions between the dominant Shia political party and the Sunnis – the majority of these "concerned citizens" being paid are Sunni Muslims. Prime Minister Maliki has said these "concerned local citizens" will never be part of the government's security apparatus, which is predominantly composed of members of various Shia militias.

Underscoring another failure of the so-called surge is the fact that the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad remains more divided than ever, and hopes of reconciliation have vanished.

According to a recent ABC/BBC poll, 98 percent of Sunnis and 84 percent of Shias in Iraq want all U.S. forces out of the country. (END/2007)


Here's the stark truth about the war. 


Can someone explain to me please why in all communications about the war in Iraq, both for and against, they never speak of how many Al Qaeda are being eliminated during this continued fighting in Iraq?  Considering that this would be the ONLY plausible reason why we should continue with it, if we were actually making headway against Islamic extremism and the Al Qaeda network?  Furthermore, why in the last six months or so has the media started referring to the "insurgents" as Al Qaeda with no clarification whatsoever? 


This is very telling isn't it?  If we are not fighting the terrorists anymore, why is our military still putting their lives on the line?


I believe this is because they are no longer there, considering that there was a very small faction there to begin with.


Considering that the Bush administration is losing what is left of their reputation continuing this war against AL Qaeda in Iraq, is it so far fetched to see media manipulation in the fact that now all of a sudden the American media is sprouting headlines about Al Qaeda being the cause of Bhutto's death without any proof whatsoever but based on wishful thinking and supposition?  When in reality Musharraf has the most to gain from her death?  Especially if it is lauded that Al Qaeda is behind her death, this lends to solidity that Bush will not withdraw US funds from Pakistan if it is thought that Al Qaeda is behind Bhutto's death, perhaps Musharraf asking for MORE funds and getting them from the Bush administration to fight Al Qaeda (supposedly) in Pakistan.


Manipulation at its highest level.


She or McCain is the worst thing that
could happen to this country.  If she or McCain gets in the WH, we are done, gonzo, and the middle class' problems will be magnified.  Get ready people.  There is something in the air with the Clintons.  Scary stuff, and not at all democratic society we knew before 9/11/01.  Obama took all of them by surprise, that the people are in some way rebelling from the present way things are done in Wash. Now they don't know what to do about him.  Scary.for Obama too.
This is not just distraction politics at its worst.
Hurricane country does not need to be getting its instructions in sound bytes between hours of distractions. The time to start preparations is NOW, not the day before the hurricane.
Why do you always expect the worst? You call sm
yourself an independant and I have not seen anything to convince me that is true. You spew such venom toward anything that the democrats do and keep repeating false information that you have heard somewhere, probably FOX news, I could be wrong, without ever investigating to any depth yourself to see if it is 100% true or not. Spin doctors spin in both parties, I think you need to recognize this and think and investigate for yourself if you truly consider yourself an independent.
Okay. On his worst day, Obama is 10 times the
And his best days are 'way, 'way BEHIND him.
Racist Propaganda at its Worst! (nm)
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The big "O" aleady the worst and he hasn't been....
there a year yet. The next would be Jimmy Carter. Read up on the economy under HIM. Obama doesn't give two hoots about what "we" want. He is pushing through his personal agenda at lightning speed and the worst of it is he really believes this will work...kinda like Caesar fiddling while Rome burned around him. Well, they say ignorance is bliss and he must be one deliriously happy camper right about now.
Pelosi is the worst speaker ever. A divider. The
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This post is an example of the worst kind of damage
This kind of ignorant, self-righteous, utterly uninformed, breathtakingly bigoted and hate-filled pronouncement, void of any depth or evidence of intellectual capacity, is exactly the kind of divisive belief system and world view W created with his "you are either for us or against us" war on terror. Islam is a monotheist religion, just as Christianity is. The kind of politicized Christianity you have expressed is of the sort that was the driving force behind the Crusades...bloody terrorism in its very worst manifestation. Politicized religion in any form has NOTHING to do with God and the brand that you are promoting here is every bit as much of a terrorist act as a suicide bombing. Moslems pray to the same God that Christians pray to and no amount of hateful bigotry you try spread will change that fundamental truth. As long as you hold this kind of hate in your heart, you will always be a very isolated, fringe element of our society. If you are truly a person of faith, pray to God to to fogive you for this blasphemy, to enlighten you and to purge you of the ignorance and hate you harbor.
No, I think Carter was the worst president in history.
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Carter = worst president ever...yes, I agree with you.

Oh my gosh - the Clinton years were the worst
I have never seen such horrible horrible times as the Clinton years. It was awful, awful, awful. DH and I both worked full time. We both had excellent salaries but we could never get ahead. We didn't live life in the rich lane - a 1 bedroom apartment (no washer dryer) in a hole-in-the-wall complex. A Ford Taurus (so not a fancy car). I don't own any diamonds or furs and my clothes were bought at the local Walmart, Sears or stores like that. No children, no college education to pay off and we had absolutely nothing. Clinton's tax increases raised our taxes so high that we were paying out 38% in taxes and even then at the end of the year we always owed an extra $2000. Everyone kept telling us to buy a house and get all these great "benees". In SF? Right! We couldn't afford to go out to eat never mind buy a house and when we did try to apply for a loan we were turned down. On top of that my family and friends back east were losing their jobs (thank you NAFTA). Family freinds were losing their homes because they lost their jobs and they were starting to live in their cars. My dad took in a couple he knew because they were living in a campground and winter came and it got too cold to stay in their tent. It wasn't until Clinton got out of office that our taxes went down, we were able to save some money, get a better place to live, and go out to eat with family and start to enjoy life a little more. The economy may be bad now, but we're in better shape than we were when Clinton's were in. Now we're terrified we're going to be back into the same exact sitaution. We're certainly not in great shape here, so anything worse would put us in a bad situation but luckily we rent so can move if we have to. But the economy needs a lof of work. We have no health insurance (unless you want to call having a policy that you have to pay 10K/year first before the insurance company will pitch in), DH is out of work and we just take one day at a time. All I know is most everyone I know (family, friends, and acquantances of my family) say they may have thought Clinton to be a good looking guy, but they have been better off financially since he left office.
The one, single thing that took the worst toll on US
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This confirms our worst suspicions. Certain pubs factions
What plantet do you come from? I am so sure he could have just vaporized without "announcing" his destination and the reason for his absence. See post directly above for a more plausible explanation. Your mean comments do you speak well for our concept of family values, diminish your party's credibility on that subject by leaps and bounds and make you look very small.
Not the worst...Jimmy Carter holds that dubious honor....
Mr. Democat Jimmy Carter. Check out the economy while he was in office...and what Obama is doing will make that look like a walk in the park. Oh, but the rest of the world will love us....LOL. Ya kill me. LOL.
Immelt rated "one of the worst" CEO's and booed yesterday
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You, my dear are the worst offender, it is apparent from your posts all you read are the tabloids.
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Religion

Religion - ?riduculous?


I will tell you what is more riduculous - those who truly believe that there IS NO GOD (wonder how in the he## you got here in the first place)...scary..


In regards to religion
It was Barrack Obama who quoted scripture during his speech at that dinner they had last week.  I'm so sick and tired of hearing people whine and complain because Sarah Palin is a believer.  Well....according to Barrack Obama....so is he!  Palin prayed for our country and people freaked out.  Obama's church preaches about him from the pulpit gaining control in a dominant white world and how they are oppressed by whitey, etc.....that should be more concerning than whether or not Sarah Palin prayed for our country especially since Obama attended that church full of hate for 20 YEARS!!!  Sheesh.
religion
I believe that O sees himself as a Christian with a Muslim father and biracial.

being gay is not a religion
Your talking about two different topics.
My religion is not
Since my sole aim as a Christian is to have a relationship with Christ, I have no religion. I brought up same-sex marriage because of the posts alleging that homosexuals are missing out on some perceived "right." Marriage is not a right in the first place. It is a privilege, like having a drivers license. Blind people shouldn't drive and couples who can't copulate in the way God intended should not be married. Your husband is as messed up as you are. ;-)
It may apply to your religion, but

it doesn't apply to the Constitution.


Are you suggesting that your religion should be the one that rules and that everyone else's spiritual/religious beliefs shouldn't count?


For example, I know some people who don't look at abortion as severely as you do because they believe that life doesn't end, that we merely pass on from one life to another, and that there really isn't any such thing as spiritual death, and that your body is just the "box" you come in but spirit lives on forever and continues to live in different "entities."


I know some people who don't believe in religion at all.


I know some religious people who believe that God gave us free will and technology to help us survive as best we can.


Not everyone is FORCED to believe the exact same religious beliefs that you do.  But the one document we all have in common and to which are are all bound is the Constitution.


I respect you enough as a person to respect and defend your personal religious beliefs. 


Please return the favor.


I have nothing against the Muslim religion anyway

I would bet that there are millions of Muslims throughout the world who are exceptionally good, hardworking people.  It seems to me that each religion has people who will try to twist it around as an excuse to do just about anything.  Look at those Baptists down south who protest gays at dead soldiers funerals because they say God is killing all these soldiers because American is getting too accepting of gay people.  These Baptists are obviously horrible people, but does that mean all Baptists distort their religion to spew hate and prey on grieving families?  Of course not.


I could care less what religion Obama is or was at one time.  I think he is an excellent candidate.  He is one of the few people who could turn this country (and maybe even this world) around.  We need someone strong enough and smart enough to lead this country and help to unite us again, and I think he's the man for the job.  I also agree with what someone else said in regard to his knowledge of the Muslim religion/culture being a good thing, especially considering our current dire situation.


Forget his religion,
he was a total bomb as a governor. He said one thing to get elected governor, then changed his mind when he decided to run for president. Then he went around the country bashing Massachusetts. Now there is a story in the newspaper that there were illegal immigrants painting his house even after all the problems with his landscapers. Such a hypocrite.
Sorry....I do not ever "check" my religion...
it is not put on on Sunday (or Saturday, whatever day one chooses to observe) and taken off on Monday. It is part of the fabric of my life. It is a constant. And that is not a bad thing. Have you read the papers of the founding fathers, wise men of great vision? They did not check their "religion" at the door. It is part of parcel of our founding documents and heavily influenced their decisions. People came here from England for the express purpose of religious freedom. THat is what this country is based upon. And from that desire for religious freedom came all our other freedoms. Our base set of laws is based on the Ten Commandments. Basic moral principles. So I beg to disagree. Our founding fathers lived their beliefs. They did not check it when they walked into Independence Hall.

The establishment of a state religion is prohibited by our constitution. Prayer inside the white house is not prohibited. They pray in the senate and in the house. They prayed on the steps of the Capitol on 9-11. Nothing in the constitution prohibits prayer, in fact it says freedom of religion and the free expression thereof and certainly says nothing about keeping it in church.

The freedom of religion clause was for a specific reason...that no government would establish a state religion and compel the entire country to follow it. It expressly provides for the free expression of faith. And it should not be a basis for discrimination.

Yes indeed, wise men of great vision, our forefathers. If you are interested in how they felt and thought, at this site are their quotes.

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm


Please give an example where she put her religion above the...
needs of our country. She has certainly done fine by the state of Alaska. Higher approval ratings than either O or Joe.
using religion as a blunt
instrument to beat your opponent over the head with is a very cynical misappropriation of the teachings of the great religions.  It does more damage to the believers than it does to the nonbelievers. 
seems to have more to do with religion than politics nm
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I know, I don't think religion should be part of it either (sm)
But if McCain had been attending a white supremist church that hated African-Americans and had a minister who spewed hatred, and he had attended that church for 20 years and called the minister one of his mentors.....who would vote for him?? No black person, no non-caucasian person, and at least 90% of whites would not vote for him either!
They don't care if you got religion or not..they
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Of course, you better hope you do have religion
they are already in Europe doing just that. The Muslim population has gone out of control as well as their minds since, unfortunately, Europe was trying to be so PC and let them come in. Bet they're regretting that now.

Now, they wanna do the same with country and if you turn your back to it, they'll have those in this country trying to tell us how to think.....wait....what am I saying.....they already do!!!