People like you make me ashamed to call myself
Posted By: American...or Christian. amfm on 2008-09-10
In Reply to: I guess you don't like to face the facts - me
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But somehow you can make that call?
You may be surprised to find out this, living in your locked-in little world, but there are several different bibles out there, and not all religions, and not even all Christian religions, believe in the fire and brimstone of your particular god. So fret not for my eternal soul. I try to adhere to the 10 commandments (and ask forgiveness when I don't), and otherwise try to remember the Golden Rule common to all religions and the 'Judge Not Lest You Be Judged' one. God will judge me and my worthiness for admission to heaven, not you, so you worry about your soul and I'll take care of mine.
ROFL...don't make me call the spelling bee police....nm
LOL, and you call people vile.
I am not one of what you call "you people."
I didn't state any number or any guesstimate of how many people attended tea parties. I can speak for my town, which is a small town, and there were about 300 people at our court house yesterday.
Final counts aren't in from some of the larger cities, but even that won't be a fair representation of the numbers because of small towns like mine that might not be added in the mix - those numbers do add up.
All I was wondering from you is why you chose to quote a Canadian article - you answered that it was because it would be an unbiased source. However, it would be a biased source because they would really have no first-hand knowledge of how many parties there were, where they were, how many people attened, etc.
Personally, I attended not because I'm a conservative or republican or anything like that. And it wasn't a front for some big corporation so the rich could keep their taxes low (and I'm far from being rich!) I attended because I don't think Congress is doing a very good job spending my money. When people like Chuck Schumer stand up there and say things like the American people don't care about the pork, that's when I get upset. And for them to get all up in arms about the AIG bonuses, only to find out it was all right there in black and white in the stimulus package, but none of them even bothered to read it, that's when I get upset! If you and I did something like that in our jobs, we'd be fired on the spot!
This sort of thing should have happened years ago because the spending in DC has been out of control, even when the republicans were in charge (that's when I started voting democrat for a while.)It just makes my blood boil to hear the republicans in DC spout off about all the spending the democrats are doing - why weren't they doing anything about it 8 or 10 years ago? But it makes me madder still to hear them all (republicans and democrats) DEFEND spending all this money now and then leaving our children to have to pay for it later.
I just don't think it's right for the government to think that it can live by one set of rules while the rest of us have to live by another.
Okay, enough of a book, just needed to get that off my chest.
I am not one of what you call "you people."
I didn't state any number or any guesstimate of how many people attended tea parties. I can speak for my town, which is a small town, and there were about 300 people at our court house yesterday.
Final counts aren't in from some of the larger cities, but even that won't be a fair representation of the numbers because of small towns like mine that might not be added in the mix - those numbers do add up.
All I was wondering from you is why you chose to quote a Canadian article - you answered that it was because it would be an unbiased source. However, it would be a biased source because they would really have no first-hand knowledge of how many parties there were, where they were, how many people attened, etc.
Personally, I attended not because I'm a conservative or republican or anything like that. And it wasn't a front for some big corporation so the rich could keep their taxes low (and I'm far from being rich!) I attended because I don't think Congress is doing a very good job spending my money. When people like Chuck Schumer stand up there and say things like the American people don't care about the pork, that's when I get upset. And for them to get all up in arms about the AIG bonuses, only to find out it was all right there in black and white in the stimulus package, but none of them even bothered to read it, that's when I get upset! If you and I did something like that in our jobs, we'd be fired on the spot!
This sort of thing should have happened years ago because the spending in DC has been out of control, even when the republicans were in charge (that's when I started voting democrat for a while.)It just makes my blood boil to hear the republicans in DC spout off about all the spending the democrats are doing - why weren't they doing anything about it 8 or 10 years ago? But it makes me madder still to hear them all (republicans and democrats) DEFEND spending all this money now and then leaving our children to have to pay for it later.
I just don't think it's right for the government to think that it can live by one set of rules while the rest of us have to live by another.
Okay, enough of a book, just needed to get that off my chest.
yeah, you would rather call people "wackos"
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call some of these people on their sheepiness and they run (sorry cutoff)
NM
Why would you call people who just want a nice clean commentary on a board...sm
a bunch of bullies? I'm amazed at you. How are we the losers when someone else calls us names all night long and we only ask for common civility?
Your logic seems backward. It was a bully of one, directed at us.
And if you really want to talk about a bully pack, look to yourselves. The dems pile on sam to no end some days, nasty nasty stuff, when it's just her on. Why is it okay for you to do it to her with meanness, and we only ask for civility and common courtesy, and yet we're the bad guys?
We're all Americans here. Why do you continue to divide us? We're more alike than you care to admit, in a lot of ways.
But the big one that separates us, from the media, down to the people on blogs, is that liberal dems are mean and downright nasty to republicans. If we don't agree with your point of view, on almost any subject, you treat us as less than nothing. I just don't understand it.
I was trying to be helpful last night, and point out that she really should try to get along. But she didn't want to. Sally actually has some good posts occasionally, hidden in between her icky ones. I look for them sometimes, and feel she should be here, as is anyone's right. But no one should have to be subjected to vulgarity.
That's the big difference too. Dems don't want to get along with anyone, most often. You only get along with yourselves.
Very, very sad.
I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
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People who make more
pay more taxes to begin with. So why up it for them? I have no problem with people receiving money from the government if they paid too much from their earnings. However, when there are people out there who aren't working and so no money is going to the government....I don't think they should get a check back from the government. You should have to contribute before you get anything back. That is taking money from hard working individuals and giving it to people including the ones who don't work. That isn't fair and that is nothing but welfare.
I think what he really does is make people think.
What he says may sound outrageous, but once you think about what he's really saying, some of it makes sense.
There should have been an investigation about 9/11, yes, but did we need those families on the TV every single night repeating that? No. I can't say I hate them for doing it because it was really the fault of the journalists that kept shoving cameras in thier faces. That's not to say at all that they don't deserve compassion, but they also should have been left alone to grieve.
And yes, the Katrina victims certainly deserve compassion, but I know for a fact that if a hurricane was coming my way, I'd get as far away as I could by any means that I could find. I don't hate the people that stayed behind, but what about the people who did get out and still lost everything - do they deserve any less compassion? And you didn't hear thier stories every night.
Yes, Beck is a radical right-winger and that's why us right-wingers like him so much. I may not always agree with what he says (much like Rush), but what he says definitely makes you think.
If you want to think he's an idiot, that's fine, but him and a lot of other right-wingers on "Fixed Noise" have been and are still right about a lot of things going on in our country. The left doesn't have the market cornered on what's right just because thier man is in the White House - no one knows that better than those of us who voted for Bush and have been regretting it for several years.
All these people make up a minority
I never said that Jefferson was alone in his views just that he was in a minority. Again, from the evidence I've read on both sides liberal philosophers and professors have chosen to re-write history. I think the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights speak for themselves and literally scream about a country with it's foundations in God. You can choose to ignore the words Almighty God, Divine providence etc., but it does not make them any less there in A deist belives in a deity to answer the question posted above either by the writer of the post or the writer of the excerpted text (I could not figure out who was posing the question).
We could throw quotes back and forth all day and never see eye to eye about it, but I choose to err on the side of God and Jesus Christ. I choose to live by faith that Jesus Christ is the only way, but let's look at it in a common sense way. Say I am wrong, and there are many *paths* to God then I'm still eternally okay, because I have embraced this path of which there are many, but say there are not many paths to God and Jesus Christ is truly the only way....then that's going to leave the people on the *other paths* in sad condition when they leave this world.
How about we tax the PRODUCTS that make people fat, sm
rather than "fatness"? Modified food starch, high fructose corn syrup, soy oils hidden in products? Imagine how much $$ we could make for so-called children's health programs if we actually taxed the items (like SODA POP and crappy snacks) that are MAKING THEM FAT in the first place!
With the flat tax, people who make under 40,000 per year will not have to
pay taxes the way it reads now. They estimate that people making over 40,000 will be able to produce more tax income than the current income tax w/o including people who make under 40,000.
Q and A about the Flat Tax.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7146/flattax.html
your mixing people up to try and make a point but not doing it well
First you compare Obama to her, but then on an issue you compare Obama to McCain because you know you don't have anything bad to compare to Gov Palin with. Then when you talk about Obama you praise him and when you talk above Gov Palin you demean her. Where is the fairness in that?
First, nobody is taking anything away from Obama. He is intelligent, articulated, has a beautiful family, has done quite well for himself both career and family wise.
Nobody is saying he is exotic and comparing it to her saying she is a quantessential American Story. People are very impressed with Obama's life history. Hawaii is a very exotic sounding state (I've never heard him described as exotic). Ahh Hawaii, beautiful oceans, white sandy beaches - everyone's dream vacation. You make it sound like people are tearing him down because he was born in Hawaii. Alaska is quite different. You have to admit that hunting moose is not your everyday experience but nowhere in any news source or anywhere have I heard people compare where they grew up in to put one down and bring the other up.
Nobody has said that because his name is Barack he's a radical unpatriotic Muslim. He's a Muslim turned Christian period, but not because of his name, and nobody has said she's a Maverick because of what she named her kids.
Nobody has said he is unstable because he graduated Harvard. On the contrary. People have said he is one of the most intelligent persons to have graduated and become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. That's not an accomplishment many people can say they have and that is what I am hearing everywhere. And who cares how many colleges she went to (this is your first demeaning statement of her by saying they were "small" colleges instead of just saying "5 colleges"). My DH has attended about 7 colleges all because of where he was living at the time and he is far from "well grounded" and I have never heard people say that about her.
Second part of belittling her and raising him up is by saying he is a "brilliant" community organizer. Brilliant may be your view of him, but I would just say he was a community organizer. No need to say he is brilliant and all other words of praise while belittling her. Yes, she was on TV but she was not a "local weather girl" (another cheap shot at trying to put her down). She was a TV News anchor and covered sports. And your description of her time served as councilwoman, mayor, and governor is a little more than insulting. It goes to verify that you just hate her and what she has accomplished. You need to research all the good things she has done and whether you like it or not, she has done a lot of good things for the people and made their lives better. And to try attack the population of Alaska as though it's some kind of negative for her, and make her sound any less by saying they were small towns and state. Governer is governer. Responsibilites are the same wether your a governor of Alaska, Hawaii, California or any other state (give or take a few of the state programs). BTW Alaska is more than twice the size of Texas. And funny how Dean was the frontrunner for the dems when the population of Vermont is smaller than Alaska (yes, I'm sure you all don't want to remember that little tid bit).
Gov. Sarah Palin was on the city council for 2 years, Chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Committee for 1 year, was mayor of Wasilla for 6 years. She defeated a 3-term mayor. She created positions and even reduced her salary. She cut property taxes by 75% and eliminated personal property and business inventory taxes. She made improvements to the roads and sewers and increased funding to the police department. She also procured funding for storm-water treatment to protect freshwater resources. She ran a second term and won by 74%. She's promoted oil and natural gas resource development. She sold a jet, got rid of a personal chef and drives herself to work from her home (50 miles) even though she is allowed a per diem and hotel. She got rid of the bridge to nowhere and she signed into law the AGIA. So your portrayal of what Gov. Palin has done is quite inaccurate while boosting up Obama. Gov. Palin's past qualifications will most definitely contribute and help her to be a good VP.
Obama was a state legislature from 1997-2004, in the US Senate in 2004, and became a junior senator in 2005. You can't even seriously compare the two.
Yes Obama has been married to Michelle for 19 years and their two daughters are beautiful. Sarah has been married to Todd for 20 years and they have five beautiful children. (your comparing Barack to Sarah in all your answers - so why did you jump to John McCain on this one?)
Whatever kind of safe sex education you want to give pre-schoolers (who should be
more concerned with learning how to read and write is just wrong). Gov. Palin did not advocate teaching only abstinence. And she had nothing to do with her daughter getting pregnant. The best of children come up pregnant both in democratic and republican party.
Funny how you were all for Bill Clinton getting ready to be called "First Dude", but now you have a problem with Todd Palin being called "First Dude", and don't even try to justify that one with Bill Clintons background. Are you saying the the VP's spouse is suppose to have a college education? How egotistical of you. Especially since he is a commercial fisherman, for 18 years worked in the oil fields, member of the United Steelworkers, among other things. That's a pretty stable background.
Kudo's to Michelle for graduating from Harvard, but not everyone wants to go to college to be a lawyer (and in my opinion we need less lawyers in DC, not more), but to take away from Todd Palin because he doesn't have a college degree????
And to mention such an insignificant note that he didn't vote until 25? Who cares? And I'm not sure that is even true, but just plain trivial.
This post is just another liberal post trying to trash and demean decent people, not giving credit where credit due, while propping up your candidate, with inflated statements.
Ok, much clearer now to you?
I just knew some people would make this into an argument
I just thought it was pretty cool and on the lighter side. But...as usual, some people just want to argue.
To make it easier for some people, I tallied the votes (sm)
O did not vote on the issues 289 times. He voted yea 220 times and voted nay 128 times.
I haven't had the time to really check out the yea's or nay's but I will in the next couple of days.
Perhaps if you would try to make sense people could answer your questions. nm
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is it our government's job to make the world's people happy?
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why do we vote for people to make things complicated?
People who make their bills 900 pages should be rejected on the spot. There should be a page max to make sure that the people representing us fully understands what they are getting US into. JERKS!!!! thanks for showing me that!
Why does the Government have to create Laws to make people Volunteer?...
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/meet-the-compulsive-service-orwellian-give-act-to-be-voted-on-this-week/
Next up on the agenda this week is the GIVE Act, short for the “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act”.
The ABC News headline ‘GIVE’ Act Would Give Back. Volunteer Programs Would Provide Jobs to Unemployed, Assist Those in Need says it all.
In his address to Congress last month, President Barack Obama called on lawmakers to expand federally funded national service opportunities.
“To encourage a renewed spirit of national service for this and future generations, I ask this Congress to send me the bipartisan legislation that bears the name of Sen. Orrin Hatch as well as an American who has never stopped asking what he can do for his country — Sen. Edward Kennedy,” the president said.
Democrats say they may be able to respond to that call by the end of this month.
The Senate is working on the Kennedy/Hatch Serve America Act of 2008, and the House is working on a similar bill, called the Generations Invigorating Volunteering and Education (GIVE) Act.
Here's a real nice conservative statement. How to make friends and influence people.
"Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air Monday, Aug. 22, 2005, that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
You should be ashamed
You don't seem to think much at all. You probably listen to faux news and Hannity. Have you not seen what Bush did the last 8 years? He is a criminal. AL Queda is not in Iraq. That war is about oil. Cheney has the contract to rebuild Iraq for $5 billion for his Halliburton company. He still gets money from that company. The English being the official language is way more complicated than a small mind like yours can comprehend. The fact is that right now we do not have an official language. The reason they won't make it an official language is that if someone of hispanic origins comes to the emergency room, they wouldn't be able to communicate if things were only printed in English.
Bush destroyed our country. Palin is a dumb person who can't answer a straight question and so hides from the media unless it's the haters like Rush and Hannity. That discredits her even more. Fox news shouldn't even be legal. You can say the media is biased but Fox News outright lies. They take pieces of text out of context and try to make something of it. Obama is not palling around with terrorists. Bill Ayers was working with the Mayor of Chicago. You are a complete moron and unfortunately, there are a few like you out there. You sound like a stupid hillbilly. You think Bush was a conservative and look what he did in his time as president.... he turned the banking system into socialism.
McCain ditched his first wife who waited for him while he was in prison. That's just not nice. Cindy McCain is all botoxed out... $100 million a year she makes and so I seriously doubt she is a regular person. They are insulated from the problems of common idiots like you, yet you stick up for them.
I think you should be ashamed
It was Obama who did that with the ecomy. He was involved with Fannie Mae and signed bills to get people into homes they couldn't afford, no down payment and no documentation. His college and his wife's college as well as his house was financed with terrorists. Look on Godtube and see the videos from Saddleback.
I'm ashamed at you....
Food stamps has nothing to do with race, and if you think it does then you better rethink who the prejudice one is.
I'm not ashamed
to be an American, I am ashamed of the deeds done by the government to give us Americans a bad name. We are very much hated around the world and the fault does not lie solely on Bush. I do know soldiers personally that did not agree with Bush going to Iraq, but those soldiers ALSO stated they were not happy with Obama's "we can't win" sentiment over the "conflict" in Iraq. To them, this felt like he does not believe in the US military enough.
Why should I be ashamed - I'm not 17 and preggie!
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sorry to hear your ashamed of yourself
C'mon people get with the facts. You may not like it but a fact is a fact and you can't change it.
What do you mean "people like me". You mean people who do research and will accept good and bad on both sides. You mean people like me who want to know the truth.
I am ashamed of the USA for having these insulting,
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And I'm ashamed of the USA for electing the
the so-called 'moral majority' that elected him. What's wrong with you people, anyway? Are you all missing the same chromosomes?
You ashamed to show us your name?
I guess I would be too if I were you. You talk about rants! Shucks, guess I am just being obnoxious again.
To Ashamed Black MT:
I wholeheartedly agree with JTBB. I think people see different things when they see Obama.
What I see is someone who is also half WHITE. I see someone who wouldn't even have been allowed to EXIST in this country not very long before he was born because interracial marriage was against the law. I see how far our country has come, despite all the bigots and racists, some of which obviously linger (but hopefully will go by the way of the dinosaur).
Most of all, I see someone who represents the BEST in most of us, instead of the LEAST in the few of us. By acknowledging my EXISTENCE (and I'm white) as someone in America who isn't a millionaire, by acknowledging the EXISTENCE of a healthcare problem and by acknowleding the EXISTENCE of all the other problems that plague people who were once part of the almost extinct middle class, he is acknowledging the existence of most of us, which is much more than has been done by the Republicans during either the last eight years or even during the 2008 Presidential campaign.
I have great faith in him, especially when I see him with his children, that he truly wants what is best for everyone in this country. I have no idea why so many people are so threatened by him. I truly see hope for a better future, even though I've been "programmed" to live on edge and wonder what the "President" is doing next to stick it to the little guy. Hopefully, I'll get over that "reflex," and hopefully he won't give me a reason to question or criticize him.
I agree with you...........we should be ashamed
to vote a person into the presidency who has NO respect for life at all!! If a woman does not feel she wants or can care for the child, there is adoption.
I have a niece and a nephew through adoption and I feel blessed that their mothers cared enough for those children to give them up for adoption and show TRUE love and selflessness for that unborn child!
YOU should be ashamed for supporting a candidate
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Your statement makes me ashamed
Jesus did not teach this kind of hatred. I will pray for your elightenment.
Secretary Napolitano should be ashamed!!
Now she thinks if you're against abortion, you're an "extremist". If you don't like the government's crap, you're an "extremism". If you want LESS government, you're an "extremist". If you're a veteran, you're a LOT more likely to be an "extremist". This is just the kind of garbage mentality running our country!!! We now let our "extremist" government decide who are the "bad" groups? According to them, ANYONE who opposes their spending activity is an "extremist"!!
She could have just as easily stood at her little podium and stated that all these people have EVERY right to be heard and express themselves, but she didn't. She demonized anyone who doesn't like our present administration or any administration for that matter............. absolutely pathetic!
I would be ashamed if I were someone with Rush's ignorance. No jealousy here. But I do wonder a
lot about those who are his fans.
I do not support unjust wars, and I am not ashamed to say so!
Do you know many billions of dollars have been wasted in Iraq? Our men and women do not belong there, and I believe their time would be better spent doing something constructive in this country rather than killing people in other countries.
In my last sentance I meant a coward, not ashamed -nm
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who are "you guys". I'm a democrat and ashamed of
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Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
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NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less
If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)
That's right, Bush is still alive and well. Check this out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676
Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?
Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.
Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.
He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.
And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
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Just because you make a statement does not make it true...
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Those who make you believe absurdities can make
So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Try looking it up. To call something
untrue because you want it to me is truly blind. Just go to google and search for PNAC document. But you wont, because then you will have to admit your wrong and maybe actually put a few of your brain cells not already brainwashed into overuse.
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