There are much more important issues than gift giving.
Posted By: Sheesh on 2009-01-25
In Reply to: I believe the OP was asking a question, not spreading rumors. - Zville MT
This subject may be of interest to a child, but it has nothing to do with politics or issues that are important to adults. Who the heck cares whether Barack Obama believes in giving gifts? By definition, it was a rumor!
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AIG - the gift that keeps on giving. sm
Beginning with the first bailout under the Bush administration, and accelerating apace (which one wouldn't have thought possible) under Obama, the ineptitude in dealing with every aspect of the current economic problems is simpy staggering.
This ineptitude includes both Presidents, both Treasury secretaries, the man who was/is Fed chairman under both Presidents(Bernanke), Congress, and regulatory agencies such as the SEC and FDIC.
Consider this interesting little fact: It has taken six months for the Ethics Committee to investigate some fairly simple charges of financial misconduct by Charlie Rangel, but Congress can pass three major bills, two of which were so large they couldn't be read by anyone, in a matter of a few days (and in the case of the third bill which unconstitutionally taxes AIG bonuses, in just one day).
My dear friends, this country is in trouble. The government is behaving impulsively and has, in my long life, never before been in such a state of disarray. Our response to the financial crisis is beginning to look like nothing so exquisitely as a Chinese fire drill.
We are apparently determined to prove to the world that we're going to make a pig's breakfast out of this crisis, but hey...at least we did it fast!
Impulsive and reckless government - THAT is what the American people (and the world) are seeing, and THAT is what I believe is beginning to frighten us even more than the economic crisis itself.
Wailin Palin -- the gift that just keeps on giving...(sm)
That's right...she's back. Now she's giving interviews for a documentary. She's whining about how everything is her handler's fault, admitting that she bombed the first Couric interview but the handler's made her go back for more. She's saying Caroline Kennedy is getting different treatment because she is in a different "class." Yeah right, Caroline is getting killed by the media right now. And my personal favorite, she said if she had run on the democratic ticket she would have been treated differently. What a goof.
Here's what I've found about Obamas' gift giving.
By Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 6:57PM BST 25 Jul 2008
In a magazine interview Obama and his wife Michelle revealed that one of their steadfast house rules is not giving Christmas or birthday presents to Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7.
The couple explained that they spend "hundreds" on birthday slumber parties and want to "teach some limits". Santa Claus is still permitted to deliver seasonal gifts however.
The President has a lot more important issues to
What a moronic idea. And by the way - he's PRO-CHOICE.
Palin, the candidate that just keeps giving and giving...
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Issues people, issues. I need issues
I'm not seeing any discussion about issues. Can we stick to the issues. Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.
P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues. How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues. Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.
A birthday gift?
Interesting concept! I usually get to choose to whom I give gifts....
It's not low class to give a gift...(sm)
that was requested. I guess you ignored the other gift they gave her. Sounds to me like the Obamas did their homework. Maybe that's why the queen put her arm around Michelle and yet doesn't like to touch anyone else (reportedly).
Let's face it. You guys absolutely can't stand the fact that a democrat is in the White House and that he's doing an excellent job. Kind of makes the last guy look like Barney Fife.
Uh oh...what was that? Oh....that was just the Dow going up again today. 
I guess because they/we fund it maybe? Not a birthday gift. nm
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Putin had just received the baby tigers as a gift.
Don't sweat the small stuff. The country is about to embark on a grim path which very well could include wandering bands of hungry ruthless thieves, heavily armed, raping and pillaging, and the young, old and weak will be their victims.
Do you realize the state of the situation? Do you realize the very real possibilities of the suffering in store for all of us because of fraud and blatent misconduct and mismanagement under the republican administration?
You Americans should feel fortunate to have this man stand up for you.
What is wrong with you people?
As a mom of 3, I think that is absolutely great, the gift of experience, fun adventure, and learning
There are many ways to "gift" a person! I think they are very wise and caring parents, just from what I observe from the outside.
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
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So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
what are you giving up?
What are some things that you and/or your family are giving up due to the high price of gas and now the rise in food prices? My family - just me and my husband now - buy 2 large packs of water at Sam's every 2 weeks and drink this, sometimes getting some crystal light or something to put in it. We eat a meal once a week and that's it. Needless to say - we are both losing weight. But to fill up his truck - that's $100 a week - even though he only works 3 days a week now - and I work at home - so I only go out twice a month - to a dr. appointment and then the second time to get the water.
I'm giving up
It is so hard to have a positive outlook on society anymore. I think I should have been born about 100 years ago. This country has no more morals, all people care about is political correctness and not stepping on anyone's toes. The God of this nation has been pushed out, and people want to know why kids are shooting each other. We have become so pompous we think we can take care of ourselves. I want to live in a time when women respected their bodies and didn't just give it up to anyone. Where rapist were few and far between because they would be hanged if caught. They couldn't wiggle their way out of the judicial system on a technicality. Where we didn't need welfare because neighbor helped neighbor and everyone worked hard and worked together. Where there wasn't an obesity problem because kids played outside from after school until "the street lamp came on". Where people knew God and had a relationship with him. Where "love thy neighbor" was not just a commandment, but an action.
At 22 years old, I wonder if there will be an USA when I'm 40? Is it possible for our nation to survive at the rapid rate of decline we are experiencing for 18 more years? I used to pray to Jesus to wait to come, knowing it was selfish, because I knew so many people who didn't know his love and were not saved, including my own parents, and it killed me to think that we may be separated eternally because of that. Now I just can't help but to pray that He comes soon. All these movies about a post apocalyptic United States don't seem so far fetched now, minus all the zombies that is. We have to wake up. We need to fall to our knees and beg God for forgiveness and beg him to come back to our nation. If you don't believe in Him or want to scoff at me for saying this, I am so sorry. I am so sorry that you do not know the love of Christ. I just hope you get to know Him before it's to late.
God help us.
Not particularly.....just giving
the board a good lookover before I go lie down.
Too many with no b*lls giving in to a few who believe
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For all those that think O is giving you a tax cut.....what
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Seems pretty important to me
Well, if his trustee is saying Frist was updated regularly on his blind trust, I kind of think that is something. It is a formal investigatinn by the SEC. I kind of think that is something.
Yeah, you wish you were important enough
for somebody to be spying on you....does your paranoia know no bounds? 
BUt that's the most important thing to me....
Unfortunately not all news sources are created equal and unbiased.
As far as things changing over time.....it seems that things have to change as new information is brought to light. Ask Colin Powell. We have to adapt and change with this new information.
Can't find your quote from Russert to Cheney anywhere on the internet.
As far as Tenet's slam-dunk comment, the people at that meeting were Bush, Cheney, and CIA-director John McLaughlin.....oh, and you. Couldn't find any female names mentioned in that meeting, however.
As far as the 747 fuselage in the desert....could only find a handful of references to it on the whole internet and none were compelling and again, most were from far right wing publications.
I feel a story is only as truthful as its source and sometimes the truthfulness of a story can never be completely determined. You say the source doesn't matter, I say it is EVERYTHING. Reflect upon North Korea today, former communist Russia and China even today....all highly censored government news sources. Those folks will never get the real story and heaven knows it's hard enough to get it in a free country like the US.
much too important to go unread
brought up from below.
It's long been a safe assumption that U.S. troops generally vote Republican. And with Vietnam war hero John McCain leading the GOP presidential ticket, many pundits expect the military to favor the Republicans with their wallets, too. But so far, Barack Obama appears to be leading his rival by a 6-to-1 margin in campaign contributions from deployed troops. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that Obama has collected just over $60,000 from deployed troops compared to McCain's $10,000 in figures up to June 30.
More importantly, why is it so important to YOU
What are you so afraid is going to happen if some of us don't?
Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
You actually think it is more important for Obama...
to keep campaigning than to go back to Washington and do his job as a United States Senator which he, by the way, still is and we are paying him for? Pullezzzeeee.
Did I miss something important? AS is a pub gov
He ran under the pub ticket and was elected by Californian pubs and other star-struck Californians. Do you disagree with the idea that repulicans come in different flavors or should I be translating you message from Christian right-wing fringe-speak to mean roughly "my way or the highway" on what it means to be a REAL republican?
The most important issue.....
this election is freedom. On November fourth we will determine which path our government will take, liberty or Marxism. I will choose liberty.
McCain/Palin 2008 
I guess I consider it to be more important
to be well read and informed on the important issues rather than worrying about some trivial little geek-speak that you seem so well versed in. Congratulations, you win the petty award of the day!!
Believe it or not, the appearance is also very important..
IN ADDITION to his fabulous qualifications.
I recommend you to log off and take a rest.
Thank you! There are so many actual important
issues to be discussing rather than wasting time on their silly fairy tale while the economy crumbles.
Why do you just ignore the important
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
NOTHING is more important from a president than
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What's more important than the most vulnerable........
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The important question here is..
You are rude and condescending. I hope it gives you back some little feeling of power that is obviously missing in your "real" life. I pity you.
I'm going with -- because they have more important things to do (nm)
You are giving her credit for something
she will NEVER do. She will never unite the party. She will only go on and on and on until it is impossible for a democrat to win this year, making McCain the president. All she wants is to be president, and if Obama gets in there, she will have to wait until 2016 when she'll be going on age 68. She doesn't care about the country or the democratic party. All she cares about is power, not about anything but HER and Bill. Sad, but the truth.
Um, excuse me, since when did giving
intelligent, well thought-out replies and giving one's opinion constitute bullying?
Gimme a break. Sam has every right to be here and she brings a lot to this board. Maybe if those who bash follow her lead in effective posting, the atmosphere here would be shall I say more of a good debate than a circus?
No, he's just giving them HOPE. Something that
Get used to it. She's the story that just keeps on giving
there will be plenty more where that comes from.
Why are you being so mean to everyone giving the O in Obama a bad name!
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I am giving him a chance and I
know that this isn't a quick fix. I'm realistic enough to know Obama cannot wave a magic wand and make this all go away. I'm just saying that for a man who hasnt' been pres for a whole week......he has made a lot of promises already with 2 already broken. I'm not trying to get a lynching mob together. I just want to stay informed of what my president and the government is doing because I refuse to just assume they are making the right decisions. Holy crap people.....seriously! Xanax....try some.
You mean too many with brains giving in.
There is a big difference between intelligence and lack of cahones.
I was just giving figures from what they said.
Dont' burn me for that.
I guess I think it's important to know his history.
In my case, that means a lot to me, even when people say things I agree with. Besides, a famous man once said A litany of complaints is not a plan. I believe most Americans want us out of Iraq. I don't believe a precipitous withdrawal will be to the benefit of anyone. None of us wants to see those men (not boys, as Phil says. That's an insult to these men and women who are all enlisted voluntarily.) and women harmed. The idealouge is definitely diametrically opposed. Some mouthpieces are just better to hear it from than Phil Donahue. As Bernard Goldberg said of Phil in 100 People Who are Screwing up America, Phil Donahue made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought. His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist). Bernard says in his book that his show was so fresh that no one stopped to realize how far, even for a liberal, his ideas were from the mainstream. But mainly what he did, in show after show, year after year, was give tremendous exposure, and his own strong support, to the forces challenging traditional beliefs and behavior. Phil was the champion of the it's not your fault, blame society way of thinking. His shows centered around this way of thinking. His virulent hatred for authority extended to anyone in positions of authority, including police, for whom he had an especial loathing. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.
There doesn't seem to be any objectivity here. However, more important
there seems to be no concern for what is going on in our classrooms. I am not talking about political bias, either. I am talking about WHAT THE TEACHER SAID. It's been recorded. There is no way to misinterpret it. I am AMAZED that anyone would defend it. But not surprised. Thankfully, not all liberals are so close-minded. And I AM thankful for that.
but in that 24 hours important information
could get away. The NSA should be monitored, but 24 hours on wiretaps that need to be done right now is just not realistic for accurate intelligence gathering.
When you dial into a phone line you've just given up your right to privacy. You are not guaranteed privacy on phone lines owned by private companies. There is no privacy contract of any sort when you dial a phone. That's where the disconnect lies. Pardon the pun.
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