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These are not allegations....the paper trail, media

Posted By: trail, and even Obama himself on 2008-10-12
In Reply to: I investigated this and your allegations are pure garbage. nm - nice try

talks about these things. You have not investigated a darn thing. You just sit there and refuse to see anything you don't want to see.




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Yes, I am all for a paper trail...
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He said/she said unproven allegations of former employee
peronsal expenses on ACORN credit card whistleblower. Wondering if you placed as much faith John Fund's word (author of the WSJ piece) when he published Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy in 2004?

Won't be cancelling that root canal appointment this morning to wait breathlessly by the tube for my latest fix of grasping at straws.
And do you have any basis that these allegations DO NOT exist?

I investigated this and your allegations are pure garbage. nm
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Can you please post links to back up your allegations...
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Try following the trail of comments you are
Your ignorance is showing. If you notice the SUBJECT line I was responding to, you would understand. Try reading EVERYTHING before you spout off. You make yourself look very foolish.
Please do not waste our time with lies and insane allegations! nm
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In time this "documentary" will probably go the same trail the first one did...
and lies and misinformation will be exposed. Unfortunately, he would not know honesty if it bit him.

Excuse me...but AL Gore is hardly a pioneer on global warming. But, I would not expect you to know that, because you would probably rather eat nails than read any opposing view. However...if it were Rudy Guiliani or Mitt Romney or any OTHER Republican who made that "documentary" and their science was as flawed as Gore's is, I would say so. Because I do not lock step with either side. If I see something wrong I say so, I don't care what their political affiliation is. The fact that he is a Democrat has nothing to do with it. His science is flawed.

Socialized medicine - government controlled. Socialism - government control making everyone reliant upon and tied to the government for everything. Socialism - socialized medicine. That is what socialized medicine is.

What Congress has is employer subsidized private health care. Albeit much better program than most federal employees. Probably because they get to choose and approve their plan. BOTH sides of the house, liberal Democrat. Your side voted for it just like the other side. If you want their plan, I would suggest you run for office and you will get it free too.

Socialism and all it entails is not a good thing. It has never worked, not anywhere it was tried. Cuba is socialist...and has government health care. Check with the poor folks in Cuba some time. And why, if it is so wonderful, did Castro fly a surgeon in from Spain to take care of him?

Canada has government-run health care. Know where the waiting list people come for their surgeries and emergent care? That would be the good old US. I guess if we get government run health care they will not longer have anyplace to go because we will have waiting lists of our own. The VA is government controlled and run health care, and that is not the entire country. Tell me how well THAT is working, won't you? THAT is a no-brainer for sure.

It all comes down to choices. The truly poor among us go have subsidized health care. When the Democrats quit their political posturing and put together a decent funding bill SCHIP will be insuring children again just like it has for the last 10 years. PA has been insuring ALL kids with SCHIP money for awhile now. Other states could do it too. It comes to choices.

It is time for the government to start managing our money better and all those myriad programs better. Prioritize. I do not make near about $80,000 a year, but I am insured. Sure, it means I can't have some of the things I want, but I made a choice. I need to be insured. I have a decent policy and it doesn't cost anywhere NEAR $1000 a month. There is insurance available. It might not be the creme DE LA creme, but it is better than socialized medicine will EVER be.

And always remember...when you talk about "the government" providing anything...it is coming out of your pocket and mine. "the government" has no money in and of itself. You don't think 30-40% off the top of our wages is enough? I certainly do.
Hiking the Appalachian Trail

Op-Ed Columnist
The Prurient Trap


By CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: June 26, 2009


“Hiking the Appalachian Trail.” Is that what we’re calling it these days? That’s what Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina told his staff that he was going to do when he absconded to Argentina to be with his “sweetest” Maria of the “magnificently gentle kisses.”


I had no particular interest in rubbernecking this disaster. People make mistakes. The flesh is weak, the heart disobedient and marriages hard. According to the General Social Survey, about 10 percent of married people admit that they have cheated on their spouses. And, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll taken in March last year, 54 percent of Americans say that they know someone who has been unfaithful. ’Twas ever thus.


At the end of the day, aside from the dereliction of duty and malfeasance, this, for me, would be a private matter. That is if it were not for the appalling hypocrisy of yet another social conservative saying one thing while doing another.


There are Democratic sex scandals to be sure, but Democrats didn’t build a franchise on holier-than-thou moral rectitude. The Republicans did. They used sexual morality as a weapon and now it’s shooting them in the foot.


Sanford voted to impeach Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky saga. According to The Post and Courier of Charleston, Sanford called Clinton’s behavior “reprehensible” and said, “I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally” to resign. “I come from the business side. ... If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he’d be gone.” Remember that Mr. Sanford?


And this kind of hypocrisy isn’t confined to the politicians. It permeates the electorate. While conservatives fight to “defend” marriage from gays, they can’t keep theirs together. According to the Census Bureau’s Statistical Abstract, states that went Republican in November accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest divorce rates in 2006.


Conservatives touted abstinence-only education, which was a flop, when real sex education was needed, most desperately in red states. According to 2006 data from the Guttmacher Institute, those red states accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest teenage birthrates.


And, a study titled “Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?” that was conducted by Benjamin Edelman, an assistant professor of business at Harvard Business School and published earlier this year in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that subscriptions to online pornography sites were “more prevalent in states where surveys indicate conservative positions on religion, gender roles, and sexuality” and in states where “more people agree that ‘I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage.’ ”


They could avoid this hypocrisy by focusing more on what happens in their own bedrooms and avoiding the trap of judging what goes on in everyone else’s.


So you're saying the left controls the media? I thought the media produced the story.
I haven't seen or heard one thing blaming Obama's crew for this. Where can I read about the right aligning to attack the left? Where did you find this information? Or is this just your observation and opinion of things?
He left the campaign trail to go to washington...
palin did not go anywhere. As you said, too late to pull ads. He did not put out any new ads. The talking heads were out there to answer questions put to them by the media. What else was he supposed to do? Have the media start saying he was hiding from the media? Realllyyyy.
I think it was yesterday they pulled Biden off the trail for a day...
or part of it anyway. At least that is what CNBC reported.
Senior moments on the trail: Mc attacks O ties to

For the slur that was dead on arrival, go here:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/the-khalidi-gam.html


 


Speaking of the media, let's take a poll who thinks the media has run amuck sm

and which ones do you think are the most ridiculous?  Fox News, NYT, AP, Wash. Post, CNN, your choice.


 


What paper?
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Paper Money
Thanks for that. It's really simple when someone's not trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

And since it was all paper money, it enabled Wall Street money managers and banks to look good on their quarterly reports and collect obscene bonuses on worthless derivatives that were passed around from crook to crook, while they all knew the bubble would burst sooner or later.
WSJ is a conservative paper, NYT is liberal. nm
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You only seem to understand numbers on paper,
live in the real world? Don't you see, hear and read about this and other issues every single day?

What would be the point in producing a numbers, especially to you? Numbers can be tweeked and skewed to produce whatever result you want them to. (Not unlike the words in the Bible, or the Quran, for that matter).

You know EXACTLY what I and others on this board are talking about when we present our views on the issues, and your constant response, 'Show me the numbers', has gotten a little too repetitive to have much in the way of value.
Booming on paper and speculation....
Robbing Hood and his merry pranksters raped our country - denial is deceptive.
Don't you read the paper or watch TV?
It is a fact. You need to remove the rose-colored glasses so that you can see clearly.
The Clinton prosperity was all on paper, hence the dot.com bust and
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my paper said highest number in 14 years - who was in charge then?
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Ah just that pesky little piece of paper called the Constitution. n/m

I do believe Savage in this case, cuz announcements in the paper are the same way in my local area..
Where did I say anything else, I was just commenting on the announcement in the paper.  GEESH. 
Maybe they should use corn cobs for toilet paper to meet your fiscal requirements, eh?
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I think the media....

often creates more questions and issues than politics in general.  I think all politicians are crooks and only out to line their own pockets with money, as evident by all the promises made during election year that never came into play during their actual term. 


I go through spurts.  I get mad and then I stop watching and then I calm down and I start watching again and then I get mad again.  It is a vicious cycle. 


Media

not going to be timid this election about the deceptive way the RNC wants to paint them as liberal and pro-Obama.. They are openly discussing it as a divisive tactic that has been used over and over by the RNC.  Chris Matthews heatedly faced down Pat Buchanan last night over Pat's attempt to be Mr. Women's Rights regarding SP.  Chris noted that with this election, no one is supposed to look into McC or SP's activities or views.  If the media rightly investigates McC, they throw up the POW story.  With Palin, it is going to be Sexist story.  The media's job is to bring us information so we can decide.  Free press is essential to our country.  For this reason we must tolerate all extremes of opinion, as we must on this board. See MediaMatters.org for facts on media misstatements.


 


The media is doing its best
to make sure Obama is elected.  It is sickening how one-sided they all are, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc.  They totally overlook anything that might reflect negatively on Obama/Biden, and jump with glee on anything having to do with McCain/Palin.  What that CNN reporter did to Palin was a disgrace.
I wish I could believe everything the media
I have family that live in Arizona and Texas who are democrats. They said it was a known fact that illegals were voting left and right, all with fake SS#s and fake IDs. It hasn't been a secret that illegals are acquiring fake SS#s.

One family member, who runs a large company out there, said he stood in line with many he knew were illegal while he watched them vote and pull out so-called IDs. He knew some of the companies (through the grapevine) some of these illegals work for and knew they were hiring illegals and yet there they stood, voting as if they had the right. Even standing in line bragging about how Obama would help their families. It's not a secret if you live in these areas where you see it happening all the time. Now, if you want to believe all the hundreds of thousands of illegals voting were somehow "legal" that's your business, but I do transcription every day from Texas with doctors questioning how a patient got on disability when they aren't even legal residents of this country, so it's no surprise to me how O got in there. Factor in all the illegals in California, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and it was a done deal.
Media would be ALL over it if
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when it happens, the media has been sm
all over it! I don't know where you have been. Do I need to send you examples? My goodness they have even taken some of the more publicized cases and made movies out of them.

Open your eyes!
Considering that the media

is so liberally biased....I'm sure there is a lot that we aren't being told the truth about. 


Treating captive terrorists like dinner guests will not make them like us.  It will not stop attempts on American lives by terrorists.  All that will accomplish is letting them know that they can blow us up and kill thousands of Americans and all they have to do is sit in a prison until released and that is all they get out of it. 


Terrorists that we have released from Gitmo have gone right back.  We didn't waterboard them.  They were released and joined back up with their terrorist pals again.  Gee....I guess they sure learned their lesson, huh?  Another free terrorist who can come back again and try to kill more Americans in the name of Allah.


It seriously amazes me how you people defend these guys.


Actually, the way I am reading it is the media is DOING it. SM
Looking for some dirt.  That's the way I read the article.  Time will tell I guess. 
Did the media jump all over...
the horrible HORRIBLE things that Charlie Rangel said about Bush the other day.  Only O'Reilly.  The rest of the media has given it a pass, as usual. 
It's clearly the LIBERAL media
It's okay to trash Clinton but don't touch St. Ronnie. Besides, the producer is a friend of Rush,
so clearly it's fact based....uh huh.

http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2006/09/liberal-media-strikes-again.html
Not so funny when it comes to the media
doing the same thing to Repubs as they do to Dems?

I do think it's wrong. Sound byte politics is wrong, wrong, wrong, no matter who it's directed toward.

try Media Matters

They go after both sides for inaccuracies.  They back up their points with facts.


 


Media bias...

Have you seen the two US Weekly covers, the one for Obama and the one for Palin?


I just love this email sent by former Clinton operative and Us Weekly employee, Mark Neschis, that went out to all media in St. Paul:


Thought I would send over our Us Weekly/Sarah Palin cover story, on stands Friday, if helpful in your coverage. Might be useful as an illustration of how the news is playing out.(Us Weekly has 12 million, mostly female readers)


Mark Neschis
Corporate Communications Director
Wenner Media
Us Weekly | Rolling Stone | Men’s Journal


A former Clinton operative....smearing another woman in politics.  What a double standard!   Whatever respect I EVER had for the Democratic party...is gone.  Party before country, party before decency....party BEFORE.  NO thanks.


What Obama needs to do now is put his money where is mouth is, and tell all his operatives to tell all their buddies on the blogs and media to cease and desist...if indeed he was sincere in his objection to this treatment.


You got that right. Point is that media
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Media breakdown
Sticking this here in case it's relative, not as a reply to above post. Have LOTS more if you want newspapers and radio too. Sorry, but this is a driveby for the night. I'm tired, irritated and incapable of human interaction today. *Disclaimer: Informational only, not interested in arguing.

GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)

Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).

Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
==================================================

WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)

Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
================================================================
VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
=============================================
DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640,000 to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.

Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).

Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
======================================================

TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
=======================================================
NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).

MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.

OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).

*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*




about Media Matters....
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7150
That is how most of the media is showing it....
McCain speaks at every rally also. Same with Obama and Biden. Biden speaks first, then Obama. That is the way they have done it for years. The VP candidate speaks first, then the Pres. candidate when they are at the same venue.
No wonder they don't let her loose with the media.
coached, rehearsed, restrictive and repetitive responses. It's like one of five answers fits all or is interchangeable between questions. How many times did she call him "Charlie?" So watch. Instead of "my friends," she's a first-namer. Did I hear the word nookuler, or am I just imagining that? Shallow. No suprise there.
try not to believe everything the media tells you to....
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because of lopsided media

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But the media, the dems, and

all these Obama supporters just sweep that under a rug.  They continue to point fingers and blame others and yet they will take no responsibility at all for what they did.  They will not give McCain credit for his warning.  They will not admit that they ignored that warning.  I'm tired of the media having their nose up Obama's ars.  They call McCain a coward for wanting to postpone the debate when it was McCain who was pushing for the debate before until this and now he wants to be in Washington to help find a solution.  He wants to put the country first instead of his own personal campaign.  To me...this says a lot about McCain and yet the dems and the media can do nothing but downgrade.  How in the world are we to have a fair election when the media is so obviously one-sided?


At this point, I really don't know that any candidate can get us out of this mess.  I guess I've just lost hope all around.  As for all those so-called plans Barry Obama promised.....he can't do a one of them....not that they would have worked in the first place but now it is impossible for him to even try.  So now what, Barry?  What else are you going to promise you will do that you can't deliver on?


How can she be swayed by the media

when she says she is picking McCain and the media is so far up Uhhhbama's butt that if they opened their mouth, you could see the top of his head.


As for McCain disrespecting woman....that makes no sense.  He picks a woman as his VP and that is disrespectful to women?  McCain pays his women employees more than Uhhhbama does AND employs more women than Uhhhbama. 


media brainwashing
You want to buy a car that costs $45,000 and gets 11 miles to the gallon? You want a $100,000 loan for your kid's college. You want to buy a house that costs $350,000. Because if they don't pass this bill, all of these things will be cheaper and more affordable. And if they pass this bill they will keep house prices the same, the 401Ks the same, gas prices the same, food prices the same, college expenses the same, car prices the same..... Are you getting paid the same or less?
You have to look at who owns the media. sm
All the media is basically owned by 3 huge corporations. They have monopolized everything. The owners are part of the establishment (rich elites). Naturally, they want candidates who will fulfill their agendas so the establishment candidates get all the face time on TV. They marginalize and ignore the rest.
I don't believe everything the media tells me to...

Media causes trouble
I think half the time it is the broadcasting of such statements that prompt people to react in such a way. It's almost like they feel it is expected, so they then act out.

Plus the whole group mentality is freaky. Look at what people do sometimes after big sports events (like college games) ... even the winners. Like a pack of dogs!