This public insurance is not free -

• A quote from Ronald Reagan that I thought was appropriate - Kendra
  • Ronnie Reagan, the man who cut all the programs for mentally ill and sm - Mrs. M
    • And then he got Alzheimers - Karmic! - sky
    • You are ridiculous. He was one of the greatest - presidents ever -could use him today!.nm
      • I guess we are allowed to call names so YOU ARE a FOOL nm - Mrs. M
        • Your name calling reflects more on you.... - sam
  • I would also like to add this quote. - Chele
    • True statement. Big government = socialism. - sam
    • You posted this earlier today and got - No responses. Not much help.
      • I stated in my post that I had - Chele
        • Please explain to me how my legitimate questions - have been hateful....sm
          • It has been explained fully many times - Chele
            • Bingo! - sm
              • Replace Republican with Jewish and think... - sam
            • Exactly how have I been hateful. - Please post links. nm
  • Rambling and incoherent. - Please translate. nm
    • Rambling, incoherent, and boring! - Stardust
    • You are the queen of "rambling and - incoherent" so you
      • I posted 5 words. - Who are you talking to? nm
        • Read my post below........ - NM.......
    • Translate? LOL (another example of Obama - sheep). Good Lord!! nm
      • So you can't translate this either? All you have to offer is - a petty drive-by snipe?
        • No, I can EASILY understand it. YOU have a - tremendous problem. pathetic.nm
          • Pathetic is knee-jerk support of a concept - You cannot or will no explain...sm
    • Are you serious? Oh my! - nm
      • Mst definitely. Can anybody here please tell me - what's the point? nm
        • read it again--or don't--I really don't care - Kendra
          • So, does this mean - you can't interpret it either? nm
            • no it means - Kendra
              • Wow, feeling a bit touchy are we? After all... - it was your post.
            • I will try to put it simpler for you. - Chele
              • Who put faith in what government? - Defend youselves? Against what? sm
                • Unlike yourself, not everyone sees - total perfection in the
                • Another lemming. - Chele
                  • Lemonade out of - lemmings....sm
                    • You think O is a good guy? He profited from Fannie - and Freddie bigtime! -another crooked politician.n
                      • Would you care to post a few links on the subject? - Show me the proof...sm
              • Your math doesn't add up. So, what you're saying is - Reagan was talking about Obama?
                • yes - IMT
                • Reagon wasn't specifically talking about - Chele
                  • If you can't spell REAGAN, I don't want you to have a gun nm - Adeline
                    • And I am sure that you never - Chele
                    • was that necessary? - Kendra
                    • oh stop it - NM - IMT
                  • Your answer is in the - who put faith post. nm
                • no--Reagan was generalizing - Kendra
                  • So how does it apply to Obama? - Before you answer....sm
                    • the reason that I think it is relevant-- - Kendra
                      • My questions are not meant to attack. - i really am interested in your anwers....sm
                        • keep in mind - Kendra
                          • Patriot Act/health care - see message
                            • Tricare is.. - Amanda
                              • I know that it is not - Kendra
                                • Prior military wife myself - know how it works - - Amanda
                                  • but clearly, not everyone does. - Kendra
                            • I have heard Obama say that every American will have health insurance - Kendra
                              • This public insurance is not free - - Amanda
                                • Again, I believe that it is not free--yet. - Kendra
                                  • and, that would be Medicaid already by the way... - Amanda
                                    • medicaid is not available to everyone--by the way - Kendra
                                      • right - available to the low income - - Amanda
                                  • He is not going to mandate that you have insurance - - Amanda
                                    • employer based-programs subsidize insurance... - Kendra
                                      • if you already have insurance you don't have to change - nm - Amanda
                            • Robin-Hood-Obama is not the answer here. - What he wants should be criminal.nm
  • Excellent quote. nm - Chele

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people can take anything out of context and do with it what they want; it still doesn't make it a McCain/Palin issue.

presidents because they supposedly represent we, the people. It's not just O that is being scrutinized. Past presidents were too, along with movie stars, sports figures, you name it. If you have a big name, are in the public eye, you will have your life spread all over the media.

or associate Democrats with christianity.  It's actually down and has been consistently going down.  Of course, I know a lot of Christian Democrats.  None of them seem to post here, but I know many in my private life. They are far to the right, though, like Democrats use to be

I  have heard so much about our education system and I'm sure some of it is true.  However, I would like to relay a recent experience I had......

Living in a small community that is loaded with history, I and a couple of other "older" ladies hosted the local 4th and 5th grades on a field trip regarding the history of a couple of landmarks.......anyone interested can visit my website http://www.ozarkmountainmemories.com and read about them. 

I was to do the historical presentation on the Cane Hill College Building.  My good friend was to do the presentation on the Old Mill.  Before I knew that there were 212 students plus teachers and parents, I opened my big mouth and said I would make cookies and Kool-Aid for the kid's field trip.  I ended up having a lot of help there!!!

Both my friend and I were very apprehensive about this field trip.  Well, I want to tell you that those were the best behaved kids I have seen in a long time.  This field trip was to prepare them to write an essay for the Arkansas Historical Society.  They were attentive and, asked very pertinent and intelligent questions.

One of the teachers called me yesterday and said that she was going to bring me some of the essays the kids had written.  She read one to me and it started out with "You may think the Cane Hill College is just a 2-story brick building...." and the student proceeded to write what  I would consider a very excellent essay.  I will post some of these on my website when I have them in hand.

I might also say that there were a good many parents present for the field trip.  I came away from that field trip with a whole different perspective on the local school, which is reputed to be one of the worst school districts in the state with the highest teen pregnancy rate.  I think if these 4th and 5th graders continue through high school with teachers such as I met and parents who are involved in their education, each and every one of them will be just A-okay.

The Bible is without question the most recognizable and known literary works in the history of literature. It has been read time and time again by people of all races, nationalities and religions all over the world for hundreds and hundreds of years. It is the most prominent, dominating pieces of writing in cultures around the globe.

Yet apparently, it is exempt from that pesky little law of the separation of Church and State in the United States of America.

In Boca Raton, Florida, at West Boca Raton High School, the book of Genesis is on the required reading list for all incoming 11th graders to the school. It is not suggested or recommended, but is mandatory.

The school claims that no laws have been broken, as state law permits studies of the Bible as long as it is studied for its literature purposes, rather than as history. And this is the loophole which is allowing the school to force its students to read from the Bible, as it is seen as preparation for literary reading in the school year to come.

Wait a second … Students are being forced to read the Bible, because the school thinks it is pertinent to their reading in their particular grade level? And no one sees the problem with this?

Separation of Church and State was established to prevent religious beliefs and practices from interfering with activities within the government. And last time I checked, public schools fall under the category that is protected from religious teachings. While the Bible may have many great stories, and the style of writing and language may be absolutely fascination, why must students be required to read it? It is clearly the most blatant symbol and teaching tool for religion, despite its values as literary work.

Students should be recommended to read the Bible if the school feels so strongly in its “practical” use as literature teachings. Or have the teachers explain the important stories and style of writing, suggesting that the students follow along if they wish. But to down right require students to read it is a slap in the face to everyone who has valued the importance of keeping religion out of the government.

Would the school ever consider requiring the reading of the Koran? Or what about the book of Mormon? Of course these literary works would never be considered, mainly because of the overwhelming influence Christianity has on today’s society.

What could students possibly get from reading the book of Genesis that they couldn’t get from any other great work of literature? I managed to breeze through my 11th grade English class without ever having to pick up a bible, and I seem to be doing okay as far as literature knowledge goes right now.

Also, what will happen to the students who refuse to partake in the required reading? They school already stated that their will be quizzes and tests on the material (the book of Genesis), so does that mean if a student feels it is wrong to be forced to read the bible and doesn’t do it, he is out of luck come test time? If so, wouldn’t you think that those students wouldn’t care less of their grade by that point? If that was the case, then the school’s ploy to teach students the writing of the Bible would be a lost cause.

Requiring students to read books to better understand the English language and literature as a whole is a normal part of school. Teachers are supposed to assign work … that is their job. But to force religious teachings and preaching onto students isn’t the work of teachers or a school board … it is the work of pastors/ministers/priests.

And until West Boca Raton High School becomes a private school, requiring teachers to take the place of spiritual leaders is a crime.

We at the Noyse are furious and disappointed that this is taking place. While we value and respect the religious beliefs of everyone, we do not feel it appropriate to force religion or religious teachings upon anyone.

So we are taking action. We are doing this for all the unheard voices of the upcoming 11th grade class, who will read the book of Genesis because they have to and are unable to say no … or unable to be heard when they do say no. We are doing this for all the students who are bound to fail their tests because they refused to read the Bible as instructed. We are doing this for everyone who believes in the first amendment: The freedom of speech, the freedom of press and the freedom of religion. We are doing this for everyone who is frustrated with the State misinterpreting and reshaping the beliefs of the Separations of Church and State. And we are doing this for everyone who thinks this is down right wrong.

We are prepared to go to war over this issue. We are not afraid to make noyse, and are anticipating being heard only after we hear a lot in return. We are going to fight, and will not back down, slow down or shut up until this issue is brought into question by those with the authority to remedy the problem.

First off, we have started a petition, that we encourage everyone to sign if they wish to help us in this battle. You can view the petition here. Please, sign it and pass it along to everyone you know. The more voices who speak up, the louder we will be.

Also, we will be sending a letter to West Boca Raton High School, as well as the school district, stating our grievances, intentions and expectations. We will give them an opportunity to respond to our mission if they so choose to do so. We will inform them that while we may be a small army, we are not easy-influenced or easily intimidated, and will not go away quietly.

We will also be sending out press releases to all local media outlets (news stations, newspapers, etc.) in the Boca Raton area, exclaiming our business and informing them that a battle will be waged and to prepare for us to make some noyse. Also, everyone and anyone reading The Noyse who wishes to stand on the battle lines with us will be encouraged to contact their local media outlets as well and inform of them our mission.

Students heading into the 11th grade will be notified of our intentions and informed that they can either submit to the requirements, or stand up and make noyse along with us.

And finally, the government of Florida will be notified of the problem we see in this situation, and asked to reevaluate it as a whole. We will not beg, not plead, but insist that action be taken to prevent the students at West Boca Raton High School to be required to read the bible.

We don't have to keep it in our homes or our churches.  Freedom of religion covers that too!

Barack Obama And Joe Biden Have Consistently Lied To Americans About John McCain's Plan. Their claims have failed every fact-check - from CBS to the Washington Post. John McCain is not going to raise taxes on middle class families. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the only ones in this race that plan to raise taxes.

OBAMA FICTION
John McCain Will Tax Health Care Benefits For The First Time And Will Be the Largest Middle Class Tax Increase In History.

What's the difference who says no?  Some insurance companies pretty much say no to everything but wellness visits - and that's simply so they can find out if you develop a condition, so they can drop your coverage on a threabare excuse, or jack your rates to the moon so you'll have to drop it.  Then no other company has to cover you due to it being preexisting.  I don't want to pay for insurance that only covers me if I'm not sick!

At least if there was universal healthcare, even with a wait, they'd have to treat you eventually instead of NEVER.  And do it for free.

...involved in the transcription of patient notes?

That just doesn't make sense.

we are all driving basically the same model and we are insuring it for what could possibly happen, not what will or actually does. 

Way back in the 1960s when I first started working, my company's health insurance did not cover single women for most 'female' issues, especially birth control and/or pregnancy-related issues, which has since been deemed discriminatory.  Now you must cover everyone equally for every contingency. 

The only way to individually ajust coverage costs would to be to exclude coverage based on genetic testing and/or family history, or maybe lifestyle issues such as alcohol or tobacco use or risky behavior like sky diving, which consumers have been fighting for years.  This would probably also be deemed discriminatory.

should have checked a few things out.

I feel for you, but a pre-existing condition is NOT uninsurable if you have had insurance for 30 days prior to the illness.

Case in point: We had private health insurance paid for out of our own pockets for 6 years. DH had open heart surgery. In the meantime I got a job with a company, signed up for insurance and they stated a 1 year before they would insure him. Yet, it was less than 30 days since I signed up. All I needed was a Certificate of Insurance from our private carrier, and then no waiting period. I got that, and he is now totally insured under the company plan.

If you did not cancel your insurance until after your problem, you have a way out. Just ask the former insurance company for a certificate of insurance and no one can turn you down.

I'm not trying to be mean or whatever you want to call it, I'm trying to help, so don't take it the wrong way. Best of luck and hopefully, things will turn around for you.