What a stupid comparison. Anyone with minimal intelligence...sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-09-08
In Reply to: Fine, put Sarah in his place. She has more - experience than Obama anyway. nm
could not say they think SP would make a competent president. Get a grip!
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They are minimal in comparison to what faces us...
as I have said, I wish EITHER of the candidates had done this SOONER. Frankly, I tired of hearing what they would do. I want them to actually DO something. Prove to me you can handle the situation NOW. Don't get up and for the love of pete just TALK about it. At least one of them finally decided that the financial well being of this country was more important than campaigning. If Obama had been the first, I would be saying HE did the right thing and I would NOT be saying he was ducking a debate. I think we know they can both debate, we heard them during their primaries. What I want to see them do is help FIX THIS financial fiasco and make sure it gets done properly. I think that is the most important thing here, and I don't understand why you minimize THAT.
Actually, I do have "at least" minimal intelligence, and I think she's just as qualified as
It's not like she was plucked out of the PTA without doing anything else. I can't see that Obama has done anything more than she has besides vote present and campaign.
Damage from insurgents is minimal?????
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Yes, by comparison...sm
There is a whole world of news media beyond Fox, CNN, MSNBC and network news outlets (listed in descending order of conservative tendencies, but conservative just the same). These are not what you would consider liberal wacko sources, which also offer interesting perspectives and legitimate information (it’s called the other side of the issues). Even other conservative newspaper, journal and broadcast news media sources beyond the narrow scope of America’s corporate “prime” conglomerate sources would be way too liberal for some, but they do give much more of a balanced, less spun picture. The highly regarded BBC comes to mind, just to mention one of thousands, though they have a decidedly western bias and can be counted among the sources that fail to report many issues. Fair and balanced sources abound. They just cannot be easily found on US TV stations. Why that is the case is another whole story.
No comparison..........
Ann Coulter is a tranny - at least Dowd is funny!
No comparison
What in tarhooties have you been smokin'...no comparison?? The Iran Contra mess was horrible, and to this day it galls me to see people like John McCain and Oliver North (who should have been court-martialed and imprisoned)  strutting around acting as if their stuff does not stink.
no comparison
Stealing a toy in first grade in no way compares with terrorist acts for which you show no remorse.
There is a comparison
With McCain we aren't talking about any old skin cancer, we're talking melanoma, recurrent at that. A smoking history with the possibility of cancer really doesn't compare to that.
That combined with his age and complications thereof do present a very real possibility of Sarah Palin being president in the near future. With that in mind, yes, I am concerned about Palin's medical records. Really, with her it's more of a credibility issue. I'm not saying that last baby isn't hers, but considering the rather odd circumstances surrounding the birth of that child, it does raise a lot of questions that she obviously is not willing to answer.
comparison...(sm)
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
Bush vs. Hitler: I see a buch of Bush's ACTIONS that coincide with Hitler's.
http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/barack-the-black-hitler/
Obama vs. Hitler: I see a bunch of guesses about what Obama will do compared to what Hitler has done.
Quote from article: *Obama and Hitler both have displayed a penchant for eliminating “undesirable” infants.* -- Now that's a stretch.
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/Clnt%20Htlr.htm
Clinton vs. Hitler: This one is just way out on a limb
Again, it wasn't a comparison.
But I know how you like to jump to conclusions, so you can win this one in your mind.
Stark Comparison
;Experience Tale of the Tape: Palin vs Obama
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Sarah
Palin |
Barack
Obama |
Office being
sought |
Vice
President |
President of
the United States and Leader of the Free World |
Full
name |
Sarah Louise
Heath Palin |
Barack Hussein
Obama II |
Nickname |
Sarah
Barracuda |
Barry Obama;
"The One" |
Public
opinion |
Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of
way |
May be The
Messiah |
Age |
44 |
48 |
Children |
5: two sons,
three daughters |
2: two
daughters |
Religion/Church attendance |
Evangelical
Christian;
attends Juneau Christian Center when in
Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God |
Attended
Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology"
church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to
Black Value System |
Current
Job |
Governor of
Alaska |
Junior Senator
from Illinois |
Previous
Public Jobs |
Mayor of
Wasilla, AK (1996-2006); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;
City Council member
(1992-1996) |
State Senator
(1997-2004);
Community Organizer
|
Executive
Experience |
Governor for 2
years;
Mayor for 10 years |
None |
Foreign
Relations experience |
Governor of
state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia) |
Chaired Senate
subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;
once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming
Germans |
Military
Affairs experience |
Commander in
Chief of Alaska National Guard;
Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S.
Army |
None |
Private
Sector Experience |
Sports
reporter;
Salmon fisherman |
Associate at
civil rights law firm |
Speaking
ability |
Beautifully
executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter
|
An
enter...wait--did you say without a
teleprompter?? |
Spouse's
name |
Todd Mitchell
Palin |
Michelle
LaVaughn Robinson Obama |
Spouse's
occupation |
Salmon
fisherman;
Former North Slope production supervisor
for BP Oil |
Vice President
for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;
former Associate Dean of Student Services
at the University of Chicago;
former Executive Director for the Chicago
office of Public Allies;
former Assistant to the Mayor of
Chicago;
former associate at Sidley Austin law
firm
|
Reaction to
spouse's political success |
Quit 17-year BP
oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's
administration |
Promoted and
given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to
U.S. Senate;
Employer rece ived $1,000,000.00 federal
earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion |
Coolest
thing about Spouse |
Tesoro Iron Dog
Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);
In 2008, while defending his championship,
was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the
hospital but still finished in fourth place |
Sister of
Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson |
Most
Courageous Moment in Public Service |
Resigned in
protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation
Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of
Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the
State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing
work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive
e-mail. |
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in
2002 |
In Current
Office Because... |
Upset sitting
Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up
corrupt government establishment |
Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race
after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal |
Theme: |
Change and
Clean Government |
Hope and
Change;
"Bringing Change from Outside
Washington" |
What they've
done to live that theme: |
Replaced entire
Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;
Resigned from position of Ethics
Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to
expose corruption among members of own party |
Selected
36-year incumbent Senator as running mate |
Family
Affairs |
May have
removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in
messy divorce and child custody battle |
Often says, "I
am my brother's keeper";
Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12
per year |
Union
affiliation |
Union member,
married to Union member
|
Endorsed by a
union |
Iraq and
Troop Support |
Formerly
(pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;
Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in
Germany;
visited AK National Guard soldiers
deployed to Kuwait;
Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army
infantryman
|
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;
almost visited wounded troops in Germany,
but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead |
Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials |
Married to a
non-Republican;
Exposed corruption within own
party;
Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell
against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come
clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation
|
Talks about
bipartisanship |
Legislative
Record |
Passed a
landmark ethics reform bill;
Used veto to cut budgetary
spending;
Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would
have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
|
Voted "present"
over 100 times as IL state senator |
How they
dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state |
Exposed legal
violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;
Campaigned against corrupt GOP
Representative;
Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent
governor in GOP primary
|
Launched
political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still
refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago";
Purchased home with help of convicted
felon Tony Rezko |
Guns |
Lifetime member
of NRA and avid hunter;
video can be found on YouTube of Palin
firing an M4 at a military firing range |
Worked to pass
legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning
firearms |
Earmarks |
Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project;
Said Alaska should avoid relying on
federal money for projects;
Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK)
in 2008 primary
|
Secured federal
earmarks for wife's employer and for href='http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/12/did-obama-amplify-pork-for-bundlers/"'
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Abortion |
Pro
life;
gave birth to 5th child knowing that it
would have Down's syndrome |
Pro-choice;
only IL state sen. to speak against the
Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to
live infants who survived abortions |
Energy |
Believes energy
independence is a matter of national security;
For drilling in ANWR, which is in her
state |
Says Americans
should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure";
Says "we can't expect the world to be okay
with" our use of heating and air conditioning |
Environment |
Chair of Alaska
Conservation Commission (2003-4);
Announced plans to create sub-cabinet
group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions
in AK |
Talks about the
environment a lot |
Athletic
prowess |
Runs
marathons |
|
are you actually making this comparison
Obama to JFK? No way. 'nuff said.
There is NO comparison to this and Obama
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A comparison has been drawn.... sm
between the way Obama stood on issues versus the way Hitler stood on issues and what the outcome was of Hitler's regime in Germany. What is wrong in drawing conclusions based on what history has borne out?
I am not saying that Bush and Palin are without spot. They are politicians, first and foremost, just as Obama is. If they are fodder for the liberal press to shred, then why is Obama exempt from criticism?
And 4% of the popular vote is not exactly what I would call an overwelming majority, especially in light of the discussion Marmann and I had below on this board about how informed the voters were in this election.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.
That was not a good comparison
That was the best you could do and you are claiming someone else has a lack of understanding and education. When you use bad taste, you lose credibility. I think this thread has lost its credibility at this point.
Can't help making the comparison
I'm not saying he's Abe Lincoln or Socrates either. I'm just saying I can finally stand to listen to presidental speeches again without cringing. And I think you're desperately seeking something to gripe about, if you need to gripe about this guy's speaking ability and didn't find any problems with the prior guy's speeches.
No it isn't!!! That is absolutely NOT a comparison! Get real! nm
LOVED the tick comparison!
sucking every last drop of blood out of us little guys who are little more to them than just cogs in the wheel.
No comparison. Ann Coulter is not the president.
nm
This is from the beginning an idiotic comparison
how to behave toward a husband who is going to kill his wife.
Who, for heaven's sake, comes up with such weird comparisons, when we are talking about prisoners in Gitmo?
Can you people not stay on one issue without losing the focus?
Pales in comparison to the hurtful posts
Why do you think you were under such attack yesterday?
I saw the same thing with Obama, comparison to Hitler
So playing that ole race card again does no good.
How Palin pales in comparison to Teddy Roosevelt.
Let's start by describing Roosevelt's accomplishments by age 42:
1. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard in 1880, 22nd out of 177, after which he enrolled in Columbia Law School. He was reputed to have a photographic memory.
2. New York Assemblyman 1881, where he served for 3 years, distinguishing himself as an ardent reformer. Wrote more bills than any other state legislator.
3. At age 23, published his first book, The Naval War of 1812, establishing him as a respected author. He would go on to pen 35 books, 4 of which were written before age 42, including an exhaustive 4-volume historical account of westward expansion.
4. Appointed by President Harrison to Civil Service Commission (age 31), later to become its president, 1889-1895.
5. Director of NY Police Department, 1894-1897.
6. Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President McKinnley, 1897 in preparation for the Cuban War.
7. Went to Cuba as lieutenant colonel of a volunteer cavalry where he became famous as the leader of the Rough Riders, returning as a Spanish-American War hero.
8. Governor of State of New York, 1898, which was not avast wilderness, even at the tturn of the century.
9. Vice President, 1900.
10. Succeeded to presidency after McKinley assassination.
More striking differences become apparent when examining what KIND of republican reformer he was:
1. He was a PROGRESSIVE reformer in regard to workers' rights and ordinary citizen in general.
2. He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved 44 corporate monopolies....can you say trust busting regulation? Was never accused of being a SOCIALIST. We could use a healthy dose of a modern version of that traditional American approach in the 21st century.
3. Square Deal advocated FAIR negotiations between workers and business/industry and REGULATION of interstate commerce.
4. First US President to call for UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE and NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE. Nope, he was not a communist either.
5. Promoted conservation movement and not once tried to block endangered species designation.
6. Sought judicial reform with regard to their bias against labor unions (gasp).
7. Fractured republican party via Bull Moose party to the point that democrat Woodrow Wilson won the presidency in 1912.
8. Nobel Peace Prize recipient 1906.
When attempting to compare Palin to a great American leader, you might want to choose someone a tad less like Obama next time.
I don't know about intelligence...sm
but I do feel that it will be the people in Washington in power are the ones that will benefit the most from an Obama White House, and a democratic majority in Congress. They want power and control over this country and its people. Truly frightening, in my opinion.
While the lower income bracket may benefit in some ways, truly, the majority of American people and their way of life, will not, and will be changed forever.
It will take at least a generation to recover from this. I fear the most for our children and grandchildren. They will have a hard time attaining what was once the American dream.
How much INTELLIGENCE does it take to
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Thanks, anyway. But with intelligence, you can
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We're talking about a brand new baby born with Down's...there is NO comparison at all...nm
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I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
NM
So much for your pre-speech intelligence
He did talk about the war.... Hey, wait a minute, your intelligence was bad....You lied to us!!! You twisted the information to fit your post...Don't you want to apologize and tell us all what a terrible mistake you made!!!!  How does it feel to be called a liar without justification?
I am not underestimating the intelligence....
I do not doubt the intelligence. But there are a fair number of people who either don't care what the man is about or refuse to see it. I think bankrupting coal plants is a critical issue. I think being accepting of skyrocketing power bills for US to make a point is a critical issue. I think redistribution of wealth is a critical issue.
Bottom line tho..if he is elected, and if he does what he promises...be very careful what you ask for. Ask Venezuela and Cuba what a failed socialist state looks like.
please do not insult my intelligence
Why do people here do that? You do not know me so do know presume that I am "not familiar with workers' movements and do not keep up with the news." You do not have to accept my opinion; I do not have to accept yours. But please realize I have every right to hold that opinion and to express it. Just because i see it differently than you does not give you the right to demean my knowledge of the subject. I have lived on the side of those who were definitely hurt be unionization. My opinion comes from personal experience as well as other sources. I am outta here now.
Intelligence offends you? First of all,
he beat the Clinton machine at their own game, and you should be way happy about that, at least Hilary is not Prez. Secondly, he is a black man who has been elected by the American people as President of the United States. Forgive me, but a dumb black man could never have accomplished that. You should be thanking God that we finally have a man in office who is intelligent, who may be able to help you and the rest of the middle class get a leg up. And a plus, he can make intelligent conversation with speaking in sentences, unlike W. Give the man a chance, he hasn't even been sworn in. No one bad-mouthed W until he royally screwed the American people.
Intelligence Committee?
A congressional delegation made what was supposed to be a top secret trip to Iraq this week. A few media outlets, including Congressional Quarterly, learned about it but agreed not to disclose anything until the delegation had left Iraq.
So what did Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Michigan do? By the way, Hoekstra is a former chairman of the Intelligence Committee and is still a ranking member. Hoekstra BLOGGED about the trip on his Twitter page and included details about their itinerary in updates posted every few hours.
In a related note, a recent debate between candidates for Republican National Committee chair featured an argument over who had more friends on Facebook. It's good to see the Republican party is embracing new technology.
Any person with intelligence would
see that this is a facetious post. No one really wants this to happen. This was just trying to prove a point and obviously the dems have twisted it around to be treason. I can't help but laugh at the idiocy on this board. It is so much better to call people names and cry about the last 8 years than to take a good look at what is going on in the world now. No worries though. When Obama runs this country into the ground, you will still blame Bush and live in your happy little demented bubble drinking kool-aid.
Wake up people. Bush is out of office. It is Obama's turn now. So let's pay attention to what he is doing....shall we?
Intelligence bores you?
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I wonder what is the average IQ intelligence of Americans
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One would have to have a certain level of intelligence to be bored. sm
You are the weakest link. Buh-bye now. 
Are you sure your are not confusing arrogance with intelligence and sm
confidence? Those are the qualities we need in a president aren't they?
Intelligence offends you? Just an observation.
Oh oh, another big word....
Intentional Intelligence is my game!
I am way too smart to let your feeble attempts at right-wing propaganda affect the decisions I make regarding this election. I consider the source and do not give you a second thought! I have seen you repeat your talking points over and over and over again, hoping that if you repeat them often enough people will somehow believe that they are true. Well you don't fool me! You will have to find some of your Joe six-pack buddies and try to sell your line of crap to them. I am with the elite group!
Oh my...another Obama fan proves their intelligence
or lack thereof. How sad.
Bush ignored the intelligence reports.
The attack most likely had been planned for a long time, but Bush and his cronies ignored all of the intelligence reports they received that indicated that a huge attack using airplanes was imminent. If he wants credit for keeping us safe since 9/11, he has to take credit for not keeping us safe on 9/11!
I always thought you had more intelligence than most of the left.
Palin has more intelligence than you would ever give
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Typical right-wing intelligence.
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How pathetic. I am not scared by intelligence.
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Wow, the intelligence in this message is astounding
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OK, they agreed. Doesn't mean the intelligence was correct, and it obviously
wasn't, hence, no WMDs, no connection to Al Quaeda. Just getting rid of a brutal dictator - hey, I can live with that. So, does that mean we are now the world police?
Clinton has never, I mean never as far as I can recall or read made a connection to Al Quada and Iraq as was done by this admin. Our reasons for attacking Iraq under the Clinton admin. was in response to Saddam not complying with UN sanctions. Two different things.
The links to Al Quada that are operating in Iraq today are there in oposition to the US preemptive military action in Iraq. They simply were not there before this war began. Our president knew there was no connection before we went to war.
I remember when *intelligence* actually meant knowledge...sm
No I don't want to sit around and wait to be killed along with my loved ones or anyone else's, but when my day and time comes there's nothing anyone can say or do to stop it. What I don't agree with is the preemptive war in Iraq..period. And you are sadly mistaken, IF Saddam had ordered an attack or enabled an attack like 9-11 to be carried out in America I would be the first to stand up and say let's go get him. But, then Bush probably would go after Kim Jong-il, go figure.
Al Quaeda attacked America, yet we have spent the majority of our time and energy in Iraq fighting insurgents in that country and IMHO made more enemies for ourselves.
People should have to pass an intelligence test
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