Pales in comparison to the hurtful posts
Posted By: and portrayals from your own hand. on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: We were talking this board, I thought.... - sam
Why do you think you were under such attack yesterday?
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How Palin pales in comparison to Teddy Roosevelt.
Let's start by describing Roosevelt's accomplishments by age 42:
1. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard in 1880, 22nd out of 177, after which he enrolled in Columbia Law School. He was reputed to have a photographic memory.
2. New York Assemblyman 1881, where he served for 3 years, distinguishing himself as an ardent reformer. Wrote more bills than any other state legislator.
3. At age 23, published his first book, The Naval War of 1812, establishing him as a respected author. He would go on to pen 35 books, 4 of which were written before age 42, including an exhaustive 4-volume historical account of westward expansion.
4. Appointed by President Harrison to Civil Service Commission (age 31), later to become its president, 1889-1895.
5. Director of NY Police Department, 1894-1897.
6. Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President McKinnley, 1897 in preparation for the Cuban War.
7. Went to Cuba as lieutenant colonel of a volunteer cavalry where he became famous as the leader of the Rough Riders, returning as a Spanish-American War hero.
8. Governor of State of New York, 1898, which was not avast wilderness, even at the tturn of the century.
9. Vice President, 1900.
10. Succeeded to presidency after McKinley assassination.
More striking differences become apparent when examining what KIND of republican reformer he was:
1. He was a PROGRESSIVE reformer in regard to workers' rights and ordinary citizen in general.
2. He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved 44 corporate monopolies....can you say trust busting regulation? Was never accused of being a SOCIALIST. We could use a healthy dose of a modern version of that traditional American approach in the 21st century.
3. Square Deal advocated FAIR negotiations between workers and business/industry and REGULATION of interstate commerce.
4. First US President to call for UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE and NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE. Nope, he was not a communist either.
5. Promoted conservation movement and not once tried to block endangered species designation.
6. Sought judicial reform with regard to their bias against labor unions (gasp).
7. Fractured republican party via Bull Moose party to the point that democrat Woodrow Wilson won the presidency in 1912.
8. Nobel Peace Prize recipient 1906.
When attempting to compare Palin to a great American leader, you might want to choose someone a tad less like Obama next time.
This is a hurtful statement
Guess I was stunned when someone calls you a name because the can't see you face to face. I don't need to explain my nationality to you. Do you know how many black people there are who are not supporting Obama. Are you gonna call all of us racists.
What do you define as a racist? Just becuase people don't vote for Obama doesn't make them racist. Not once in my post did I mention his race. It's the facts and his policies I am against.
I didn't say anything hurtful toward you and I don't want to be banned.
I'm didn't make any comments to you and did not get nasty in any of my posts (most are defending myself). I post some information and am brutally attacked for it. I am in agreement with a lot of black democrats and I wanted to share some things I have heard, just like you share things about McCain & Palin, however my post did not say any nasty comments about Obama. I'm not attacking you but you are attacking me. Yeah it does shock me and made my eyes water that someone could be that mean towards me (especially when they don't know my nationality). There are two nasty posts about something about being home schooled and the one above it (3 if you include the one who yelled at me that I'm a racist) but I'm just skipping over them and not reading them as I can tell by the message what the content must be (p.s. home schoolers are quite highly intelligent). So I will follow the moderators message and just skip all the nasty comments about me. This will be my last post I make.
Posts were removed due to the nastiness. Play nice and posts won't get deleted.
I saw the posts for myself, no one "ran" to me. Note that all boards were reviewed for inappropriate posts.
Yes, by comparison...sm
There is a whole world of news media beyond Fox, CNN, MSNBC and network news outlets (listed in descending order of conservative tendencies, but conservative just the same). These are not what you would consider liberal wacko sources, which also offer interesting perspectives and legitimate information (it’s called the other side of the issues). Even other conservative newspaper, journal and broadcast news media sources beyond the narrow scope of America’s corporate “prime” conglomerate sources would be way too liberal for some, but they do give much more of a balanced, less spun picture. The highly regarded BBC comes to mind, just to mention one of thousands, though they have a decidedly western bias and can be counted among the sources that fail to report many issues. Fair and balanced sources abound. They just cannot be easily found on US TV stations. Why that is the case is another whole story.
No comparison..........
Ann Coulter is a tranny - at least Dowd is funny!
No comparison
What in tarhooties have you been smokin'...no comparison?? The Iran Contra mess was horrible, and to this day it galls me to see people like John McCain and Oliver North (who should have been court-martialed and imprisoned)  strutting around acting as if their stuff does not stink.
no comparison
Stealing a toy in first grade in no way compares with terrorist acts for which you show no remorse.
There is a comparison
With McCain we aren't talking about any old skin cancer, we're talking melanoma, recurrent at that. A smoking history with the possibility of cancer really doesn't compare to that.
That combined with his age and complications thereof do present a very real possibility of Sarah Palin being president in the near future. With that in mind, yes, I am concerned about Palin's medical records. Really, with her it's more of a credibility issue. I'm not saying that last baby isn't hers, but considering the rather odd circumstances surrounding the birth of that child, it does raise a lot of questions that she obviously is not willing to answer.
comparison...(sm)
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
Bush vs. Hitler: I see a buch of Bush's ACTIONS that coincide with Hitler's.
http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/barack-the-black-hitler/
Obama vs. Hitler: I see a bunch of guesses about what Obama will do compared to what Hitler has done.
Quote from article: *Obama and Hitler both have displayed a penchant for eliminating “undesirable” infants.* -- Now that's a stretch.
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/Clnt%20Htlr.htm
Clinton vs. Hitler: This one is just way out on a limb
Again, it wasn't a comparison.
But I know how you like to jump to conclusions, so you can win this one in your mind.
Stark Comparison
;Experience Tale of the Tape: Palin vs Obama
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Sarah
Palin |
Barack
Obama |
Office being
sought |
Vice
President |
President of
the United States and Leader of the Free World |
Full
name |
Sarah Louise
Heath Palin |
Barack Hussein
Obama II |
Nickname |
Sarah
Barracuda |
Barry Obama;
"The One" |
Public
opinion |
Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of
way |
May be The
Messiah |
Age |
44 |
48 |
Children |
5: two sons,
three daughters |
2: two
daughters |
Religion/Church attendance |
Evangelical
Christian;
attends Juneau Christian Center when in
Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God |
Attended
Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology"
church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to
Black Value System |
Current
Job |
Governor of
Alaska |
Junior Senator
from Illinois |
Previous
Public Jobs |
Mayor of
Wasilla, AK (1996-2006); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;
City Council member
(1992-1996) |
State Senator
(1997-2004);
Community Organizer
|
Executive
Experience |
Governor for 2
years;
Mayor for 10 years |
None |
Foreign
Relations experience |
Governor of
state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia) |
Chaired Senate
subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;
once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming
Germans |
Military
Affairs experience |
Commander in
Chief of Alaska National Guard;
Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S.
Army |
None |
Private
Sector Experience |
Sports
reporter;
Salmon fisherman |
Associate at
civil rights law firm |
Speaking
ability |
Beautifully
executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter
|
An
enter...wait--did you say without a
teleprompter?? |
Spouse's
name |
Todd Mitchell
Palin |
Michelle
LaVaughn Robinson Obama |
Spouse's
occupation |
Salmon
fisherman;
Former North Slope production supervisor
for BP Oil |
Vice President
for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;
former Associate Dean of Student Services
at the University of Chicago;
former Executive Director for the Chicago
office of Public Allies;
former Assistant to the Mayor of
Chicago;
former associate at Sidley Austin law
firm
|
Reaction to
spouse's political success |
Quit 17-year BP
oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's
administration |
Promoted and
given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to
U.S. Senate;
Employer rece ived $1,000,000.00 federal
earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion |
Coolest
thing about Spouse |
Tesoro Iron Dog
Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);
In 2008, while defending his championship,
was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the
hospital but still finished in fourth place |
Sister of
Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson |
Most
Courageous Moment in Public Service |
Resigned in
protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation
Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of
Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the
State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing
work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive
e-mail. |
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in
2002 |
In Current
Office Because... |
Upset sitting
Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up
corrupt government establishment |
Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race
after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal |
Theme: |
Change and
Clean Government |
Hope and
Change;
"Bringing Change from Outside
Washington" |
What they've
done to live that theme: |
Replaced entire
Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;
Resigned from position of Ethics
Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to
expose corruption among members of own party |
Selected
36-year incumbent Senator as running mate |
Family
Affairs |
May have
removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in
messy divorce and child custody battle |
Often says, "I
am my brother's keeper";
Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12
per year |
Union
affiliation |
Union member,
married to Union member
|
Endorsed by a
union |
Iraq and
Troop Support |
Formerly
(pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;
Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in
Germany;
visited AK National Guard soldiers
deployed to Kuwait;
Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army
infantryman
|
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;
almost visited wounded troops in Germany,
but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead |
Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials |
Married to a
non-Republican;
Exposed corruption within own
party;
Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell
against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come
clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation
|
Talks about
bipartisanship |
Legislative
Record |
Passed a
landmark ethics reform bill;
Used veto to cut budgetary
spending;
Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would
have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
|
Voted "present"
over 100 times as IL state senator |
How they
dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state |
Exposed legal
violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;
Campaigned against corrupt GOP
Representative;
Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent
governor in GOP primary
|
Launched
political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still
refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago";
Purchased home with help of convicted
felon Tony Rezko |
Guns |
Lifetime member
of NRA and avid hunter;
video can be found on YouTube of Palin
firing an M4 at a military firing range |
Worked to pass
legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning
firearms |
Earmarks |
Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project;
Said Alaska should avoid relying on
federal money for projects;
Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK)
in 2008 primary
|
Secured federal
earmarks for wife's employer and for href='http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/12/did-obama-amplify-pork-for-bundlers/"'
target=_blank top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)?>color=#0000ff size=4 New campaign bundlers |
Abortion |
Pro
life;
gave birth to 5th child knowing that it
would have Down's syndrome |
Pro-choice;
only IL state sen. to speak against the
Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to
live infants who survived abortions |
Energy |
Believes energy
independence is a matter of national security;
For drilling in ANWR, which is in her
state |
Says Americans
should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure";
Says "we can't expect the world to be okay
with" our use of heating and air conditioning |
Environment |
Chair of Alaska
Conservation Commission (2003-4);
Announced plans to create sub-cabinet
group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions
in AK |
Talks about the
environment a lot |
Athletic
prowess |
Runs
marathons |
|
are you actually making this comparison
Obama to JFK? No way. 'nuff said.
There is NO comparison to this and Obama
nm
A comparison has been drawn.... sm
between the way Obama stood on issues versus the way Hitler stood on issues and what the outcome was of Hitler's regime in Germany. What is wrong in drawing conclusions based on what history has borne out?
I am not saying that Bush and Palin are without spot. They are politicians, first and foremost, just as Obama is. If they are fodder for the liberal press to shred, then why is Obama exempt from criticism?
And 4% of the popular vote is not exactly what I would call an overwelming majority, especially in light of the discussion Marmann and I had below on this board about how informed the voters were in this election.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.
That was not a good comparison
That was the best you could do and you are claiming someone else has a lack of understanding and education. When you use bad taste, you lose credibility. I think this thread has lost its credibility at this point.
Can't help making the comparison
I'm not saying he's Abe Lincoln or Socrates either. I'm just saying I can finally stand to listen to presidental speeches again without cringing. And I think you're desperately seeking something to gripe about, if you need to gripe about this guy's speaking ability and didn't find any problems with the prior guy's speeches.
No it isn't!!! That is absolutely NOT a comparison! Get real! nm
LOVED the tick comparison!
sucking every last drop of blood out of us little guys who are little more to them than just cogs in the wheel.
They are minimal in comparison to what faces us...
as I have said, I wish EITHER of the candidates had done this SOONER. Frankly, I tired of hearing what they would do. I want them to actually DO something. Prove to me you can handle the situation NOW. Don't get up and for the love of pete just TALK about it. At least one of them finally decided that the financial well being of this country was more important than campaigning. If Obama had been the first, I would be saying HE did the right thing and I would NOT be saying he was ducking a debate. I think we know they can both debate, we heard them during their primaries. What I want to see them do is help FIX THIS financial fiasco and make sure it gets done properly. I think that is the most important thing here, and I don't understand why you minimize THAT.
No comparison. Ann Coulter is not the president.
nm
This is from the beginning an idiotic comparison
how to behave toward a husband who is going to kill his wife.
Who, for heaven's sake, comes up with such weird comparisons, when we are talking about prisoners in Gitmo?
Can you people not stay on one issue without losing the focus?
What a stupid comparison. Anyone with minimal intelligence...sm
could not say they think SP would make a competent president. Get a grip!
I saw the same thing with Obama, comparison to Hitler
So playing that ole race card again does no good.
We're talking about a brand new baby born with Down's...there is NO comparison at all...nm
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I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
NM
She also posts regularly here. Who are you to say where she posts? nm
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our posts never last! LOL...
We understand what is happening, the truth of the matter, and they don't want to face it, although I saw someone's (you-know-who) title stating something to the point that "we must get our head's out" or something to that affect.... when will they ever get their "head's out?" Such fantasy world they live in.... We must pray for them because when it hits them, they're not going to know what happened!
Look 2 posts up.
AW does not dispute the veracity of the quote, she defends it. That is my issue.
If we ignored their posts they would most likely go away..
I really do believe that, at least as far as the crazy/psycho/nasty ones. But they are so darn hard to ignore!!! I'm going to try, though, starting now.
We play right into their hands by getting irritated and retaliating - just as I have on many occasions.
Where in any of my posts...
...did I state I was the board monitor? How curious that you would think I was.
I had assumed, as most reading this board would also, that the Merry Christmas was somewhat passive-aggressive. It is quite peculiar to bash someone repeatedly and rudely and then top it off with MERRY CHRISTMAS and then wonder why they didn't acknowledge the greeting.
You are here as much as me....if you look at all the posts to my posts...
I am just one person, there are many more of you. ANd you must be here to see me here and all pile on my posts...so....and I manage to get everything done. I read fast and type past, and I have many who help me research. We do have other places we post and other things we do for the candidate. So now you can stop wondering. :)
I already said, in other posts, that I don't...
think he intended to suggest that she was a pig. It was just an unfortunate use of words and in politics perception is everything. THe people at the rally he was talking to certainly perceived it as their candidate finally fighting back...you could tell by the reaction. THEY thought he meant it that way. Perceptions...lots of people DO think he meant it that way. I am not one of them. However, his camp has been really quick to haul out the videos for political hay (and not all of them true, just innuendo), and the McCain camp did the same thing here. He opened that door with a bad choice of words...and there it is. It's not like Obama doesn't capitalize on every slip of his tongue...we talked about the how many houses thing for a week. This is no different. He just used an unfortunate phrase and here we are.
just like some other posts
x
I always like your posts, too
From one educated American to another...and I don't mean educated by the drivebys!
What is it that you see? Your posts do nothing...
to give argument, just attack the poster's character.
She is also one who posts
misinformation and outright lies without checking the validity of what she posts. Should no one challenge this misinformation or is it only lies about Republicans and Christians that can be set straight? (Just checking since GWB is still in office.)
Last I knew, everyone is entitled to speak their mind no matter what their views are, but if you are going to do so on a public board you should have facts to back up your statements because they will very rarely go unchallenged. Everyone who stirs the pot risks getting burned.
I think many posts
reveal about the poster than they do the subject. I feel extremely lucky to be living and politically aware during this time. I think Obama has much potential for greatness and look forward to watching him grow and govern. There will always be folks who disagree with the president and complain - that's the magnificance of living in a democracy.He appears to me to be the first in a long, long time who sought the office to improve our lives rather than just gain political power.
see posts above
Transparent projection. Suck it up and enjoy the next 4 years, y'all. Absolutely nothing you can do or say to change the fact that the country has changed and is moving in a new direction. The republican philosophy has been soundly and firmly rejected.
The next 5 posts
are brought to you courtesy of the Confederation of Sore Losers' Junior League. To qualify for membership, your mentality cannot exceed the middle school ranks.
I also like FOX, but from posts down below
you basically get crucified on this board if you mention FOX news. I got the impression CNN is the only one to watch. Lately, I have been watching CNN and quite a few news reporters are stating negative comments about Obama. In fact, I had to make sure I was still watching CNN because I was shocked by reporters comments.
You mean like the posts about...(sm)
Obama to tax aspirin, or the post that says Obama said that old people are going to die anyway....those kinds of posts?? Oh wait....that wasn't us dems....now who could that have been?.....hmmmm
If you're going to dish it out, you need to learn how to take it.
Once again...if you don't like his posts
don't read them. Sheesh....that isn't a hard concept to understand. Sarcasm....everyone uses sarcasm. If you can't handle it, once again, don't read his posts.
He said he was, but his posts were definitely
About the time 'Sam' disappeared, Tech Support appeared.
From all the posts below from this
American Indian - with the feathers on his head - I think they have an issue with the 'feather' versus 'dot' thing!
Your statement a few posts above that (SM)
liberalism is the problem with this country is BASHING.
If you want to bash Liberals - go do it on your Conservatives board.
I see you haven't changed. BTW, Nan, who in the world supposedly "invited you back" as you state below? Perhaps you were invited back to the Conservative board? LOL
These are your posts. Why do you deny saying this?
You never meant a socialist Jew! sm
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Posted By: MT on 2005-07-20,
In Reply to: I know history - gt
What do you think they come up to you and say hi, I am a socialist Jew. Do you know Noam Chomsky? How about David Horowitz's parents? How about the Rosenbergs? Shall I go on. Do you wonder why almost all the actors blacklisted in Hollywood way back when were almost all JEWS?!?
Google has 637,000 entries on Jews and communism. sm
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Posted By: MT on 2005-07-20,
In Reply to: LOL - gt
But I guess you read the one history book that didn't have that in it. Unbelievable.
I don't think I was responding to those posts
I was responding to gt's, and no, I was not around when those other posts were made, and that's why I didn't comment on them.
I was responding to the "drunk" comment that gt made which was totally off par and shows what that gt is here for only one reason and that is to incite fighting, because calling someone a drunk without knowing them at all is definitely fighting words.
I don't know how you can render me a phoney, because I have told you nothing of my self. That is again, a baseless judgement. GT was typing nonsenical stuff right after telling someone their posting habits sounded like those of a drunk. If posting habits are evidence of drunkeness then gt needs to look at his or her posting style.
Your previous posts
Arent you the one who posted you were in the military and when asked about it, the truth came out that family members had been in the military, not you? So, are you spinning the untruths again? Or are you someone else using the same initials?
It's in several of the posts, don't you see it? OH MY GOSH!!! SM
You can't see the WORD Christian now! It was in Yepper's post, which is what I was really talking about but you really cares?
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