Wouldn't it be simpler if they listed truths? LOL
Posted By: passerby on 2006-08-31
In Reply to: Bush administration "Lie by Lie" archive - Liberal
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I will try to put it simpler for you.
We have put a lot of faith in our government because our economy was booming. Now our economy is not doing so well. We put our faith in the government and it let us down. Obama wants bigger government. Why would we want bigger government when government has failed us. The bigger government is, the more power we give it to control out lives. Obama wants to take away a person's right to have a gun. You take away our guns and we won't have anything to defend ourselves with. In the past dictators have taken away weapons from people so we have nothing to fight back with. Here Obama wants to take away our guns. You do the math.
Yes, it would be simpler as it would be a very very short list!
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We hold these truths to be self-evident
The weapons arsenals clearly tell the story of who the terrorists are. It's the occupation, stupid. There is no justifying it. The very idea that 21st century human beings would even THINK about trying to while the death toll approaches 700 vs 4, 50% of which are women and children with the portion of civilian men (fathers, sons, brothers, uncles, cousins and friends) and elders remaining undocumented, schools, markets, ambulance drivers and UN humanitarian workers being targeted, basic human services and infrastructure such as electricity, sewage disposal and roads destroyed in the middle of a press black-out and a land-and-sea blockade on all sides is positively SICKENING.
Yes - and payroll would be cheaper, simpler too.
Companies incur unbelievable costs trying to handle withholdings properly. Now, imagine that you've got just two numbers to deal with - 10% or 25%. The savings would be very significant.
I'm surprised by the 10% rate, however. I had always heard from proponents of the flat tax that it would have to be more like 17-20% to keep the government running (even before the government became even more bloated). Of course, they were talking about the same rate for everyone, not a two-tiered system like this, so perhaps the 25% bracket makes up the difference.
His web of half-truths is going to start unraveling.
His whole policy seems to be hide, deny, backtrack, CYA, deny some more, and confuse with a half-truths and misstatements that imply what he wants people to believe. When he gets called on it, they say we never said that. They didn't have to, they implied it until the cows came home. What do you want to bet that when investigative hearings start, the whole story changes again?
Easy way for racists to hide their truths as well
Sure seems an easy way out to say that "oh! everytime I say something about Obama people say its racism, but it's not!" What a copy out and easy way to try to hide your racism.
no source listed for this
chart. No footnotes. No data to support numbers. Not enough information to verify veracity - disregarded.
also, moderators have instructed us more than once NOT to copy other websites into posts. Must use links. Please abide by the rules.
i saw the link listed below
but it is just way over my head.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/01/news/pdf/index.htm
mccain, because i think he will (listed):
*keep this country safer from those who would try to bring the USA down.
*he will bring encouragement and respect to (and from) our troops.
*appointment of supreme court judges that will properly interpret the laws instead of try to make them.
*sincerely work with people of all backgrounds and political persuasions to make a better government (with proven history in this regard) AND a less intrusive/smaller government.
*he will more likely bring us quicker out of national deficits and eliminate pork barrel government waste (which is no minor thing).
*he will fight against anything wrong in the government whether it is politically beneficial or not, and do what is right for the people (proven history here too).
*make healthcare more affordable for all.
*encourage small business growth/jobs and make it not so profitable to send our jobs overseas, thereby boosting the economy in a real sustaining fashion.
*for best helping us become energy independent, using ALL our resources while being mindful of the environmental issues as well.
*because he has proven experience in all aspects that his opponent does not, and because he has chosen a more capable vice president, whereas if Biden were in the white house, he might need his tongue tied to keep him from running off at the mouth and saying something he shouldn't re foreign affairs or something; nevermind the probability of Obama himself causing problems with foreign affairs.
These are starters, but if you really do care, it ought to give you some food for thought.
It is listed,. regarding pedophiles..
Pedophilia -
Sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child. For individuals in late adolescence with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified, and clinical judgment must be used; both the sexual maturity of the child and the age difference must be taken into account; the adult may be sexually attracted to opposite sex, same sex, or prefer either.
in the first web site you listed it states . .
Most of the difference in giving among conservatives and liberals gets back to religion. Religious liberals give nearly as much as religious conservatives, Mr. Brooks found. And secular conservatives are even less generous than secular liberals.
All of these proclivities are not listed in the bill...
as being protected from hate crimes.
However, I think that if there's any chance that some pedophile or prostitute could twist this to use to their advantage, things need to be made very clear exactly who is being protected by this bill. Is it just homosexuals? If so, it needs to say that.
Personally, I think this hate crime bill is crap. If you beat someone up or kill someone, it's a hate crime, no two ways about it. I guess I don't understand why someone should receive more jail time for killing your average lesbian than for killing your average woman. They're both murder, no matter how you look at it.
ok, it says top match obama 57.14 and then has below McCain listed as 57.14
Whatever, still voting for McCain
Obama got my vote for none of the reasons you listed.
My vote is between myself and the canddiate. He is my voice. On any given subject, I could start a sentence that he can finish the same way I would. This has not happened for me in my entire adult lifetime. I was a few years shy of voting age in 1960. Kennedy was the only other candidate that gave me voice. That is why there is nothing anybody could say to sway me one way or the other and I find it sad that those who would try do not seem be able to understand that I am not the only one who feels this way about supporting this remarkable man.
What's listed here for Iran-Iraq War time
USA (as in us). We already knew about that stuff. In terms of these 2006 links, you might want to try reading up on this subject a little more. There are whole libraries of publications, including exhaustive US govermental studies, that refute your claim and, in fact, WMDs have yet to be found there. Saddam had abandoned this program, but of course, we hung him anyway. This is what we do with uppety puppets that go rogue on us.
Also, did anyone look at the Hardball segment listed on the Conservative board?
It was called "The Truth about Iraqi Freedom," I believe. I THINK it was considered meaningful dialogue supporting the neocons. However, I felt it was damning. The only "Truth" the rather strange and creepy neocon lady reporter seemed to come up with was that the soldiers handed out candy and softballs. The other guest was a former soldier in Iraq who, if only given time, was making some excellent statements regarding the real truth of the war. The whole segment was rushed and, well, kind of weird. As I said, check out the lady reporter - she seemed most disagreeable and offensive. Or maybe it was just my take on it!!!!
I wouldn't want to be on the
O'Reilly Factor either. Bill O'Reilly never lets the people talk. He is always cutting them off to speak his opinion. Kind of annoying really. I am no Obama supporter, but I think as a person in general.....I wouldn't want to be on his show. If people have opposing ideas....fine....but let them talk.....stop talking over them. 
Wouldn't we all??
LOL in regards to Christmas, very few people actually celebrate the *true* meaning anymore. Our neighbor has already put their lights up for heaven's sake!
Do Jews believe that he was crucified? I mean is it up until the resurrection that is disagreed with? Or is that just based on who you are talking to?
I mean my belief is that Jesus died and rose again and he had to die for our sins to pay our sin debt so we can go to heaven. I also believe he is the only way to heaven, because if not then it was senseless for him to die. But I do believe he is coming back and we will be gathered with him and after the tribulation heaven will be here on earth and those who didn't believe will be "ashes under our feet" as the Bible says.
I know that a lot of "Christians" now don't believe all of the Bible, or believe there are errors, which just amazes me, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. To me God cannot lie, and if God said the Bible is the Truth, well, it's the Truth then.
I'm sorry if I got heated before. I am a new Christian (I was baptized last November, but I would say I didn't get serious until January) and I knew before that a lot of people are against Christianity (in general) but it amazes me how so many people are just downright hateful about it! I mean yes, I can understand, because there are a lot of hypocritical Christians, a lot of Christians who profess Jesus and then go out into the world and do the same old things they used to, and those were my very same arguments before I believed in Him. But I have met so many more Christians that are just CONCERNED! I mean do people not understand that our belief in Jesus is just as strong as our belief that a chair is really there when we go to sit in it?
I'm ranting again. But what I was discussing with you I am just curious because it seems like Jews and Christians agree on a lot up until the point of whether Jesus was Messiah or not. I guess my biggest question is why don't they believe he is the Messiah?
I wouldn't know.
Since we've never cared enough about the average American to try universal healthcare. We could probably find out how it works from the Iraqis, though, since part of Bush's war budget was to provide comprehensive universal healthcare to THEM.
It's sad that some people are okay with paying for Wall Street crooks to get richer and richer.
We're all about greed, greed, greed. Even with all the publicity about Bush's bailouts, I just heard on the news that the end-of-year bonuses are still in place for the Wall Street crooks.
Seems to me that when a government runs around and buys up banks, that's FASCISM, so if we move to SOCIALISM (which will never happen and which is a ridiculous statement), that move will be a giant step UP from what we have now.
I'm sick and tired of eight years of greed. By the looks of things, the majority of Americans are sick of it, as well, which gives me some hope for what is left of humanity.
Obama is right. "Trickle down" hasn't worked. It's time to try "trickle UP."
Well of course! Why wouldn't I? I, too, am
LOL
I wouldn't be so sure about that
The Catholic heads are really pushing this issue, as are a lot of other Christian leaders. Most people don't like either candidate (like me), but they'd rather vote for the one that settles their conscience.
Add that to the fact that Americans like their guns and McCain has a strong chance. He's really been coming up in the poles (not sure if it'll be enough, though).
You would think so, wouldn't you....sm
or at least grouped by party, which wouldn't really be fair to the minor parties because they would probably wind up on the back of the ticket. I have never used a "punch" voting machine, so I am not familiar with the way that they are read, but wouldn't there be a chance the name punched on the back could be read as being for a candidate that appears on the front of the ballot?
I wouldn't say......... sm
that I'm "un-narrow", DB, because I am probably about as narrow as they come short of those who bomb abortion clinics, etc., but I do understand what you are saying. I appreciate you understanding my point as well.
Wouldn't this have all come up
when his background investigation was done when he was elected Senator? If there was truly a birth certificate issue, I am sure it would have come up during the DSS (Defense Security Service) investigation process.
I wouldn't go that far...lol..(sm)
While Obama is very popular worldwide, he still has to prove himself. I believe he will do an excellent job, but we have a lot of work to do yet.
No, actually they wouldn't do that...(sm)
Keep in mind that Reid was actually trying to stop him from getting into the Senate but couldn't find any legal grounds to do so, and it was both pubs and dems doing the investigation into Blago. Dems don't want him in the senate anymore than the pubs do. From our point of view, he's a has been and can't win an election.
If you want to talk about those all important votes for the stiumulus package, you might want to check out how long pubs have been holding up Franken in Minnesota with court battles. How many times do they plan on counting that vote anyway?
They certainly wouldn't be
let off easy and appointed to a government position. Normal people not paying taxes would not only have to pay their taxes but the interest as well. We would go under. Government wouldn't help us or give us a pass like so many in Washington who haven't paid their taxes. Makes me sick. Such double standards. And they wonder why we don't trust them to run our country and why we don't want government to get bigger than it is. sheesh.
Normally I wouldn't do that, but...(sm)
a good rule of thumb to remember is this: If you're going to try to insult someone's intelligence, then you should at least try to be literate in the process.
Love the definition, BTW.
Of course you don't. They wouldn't put up with you in a
And they tolerate almost everyone.
Why wouldn't it be?
Not trying to argue, but wouldn't any bill the Congress would submit have to be signed by the president? (And then, behind everyone's back, the signing statement "magically" appears after the signing, sometime without anyone knowing unless they specifically looked for it.)
For example, Bush signed the "no torture" bill and then later added, basically, "unless I want to."
Why would this bill be any different? Again, not trying to argue. I'm just trying to learn the difference between those two examples and what I'm missing here. 
Why wouldn't you?
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They wouldn't be any better if they were
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And owning a gun wouldn't have help either one of them.
That's the point.
Wouldn't suprise me none.nm
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You wouldn't be someone AKA DixieDew, are you? If so,
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Wouldn't surprise me if he still is.
Nothing the Bush administration does surprises me any more.
It wouldn't matter what we said.
Their reaction would be the same. I suppose I could have raged against a thousand perceived wrongs, assumed that everyone knew my history, and called a poster who dared to question -what makes you think we haven't- as some kind of insensitive heartless slam. The real truth is much deeper and darker than that. I am not quite sure why people choose to tell their deepest darkest secrets on chat boards. Is it so that later on, someone might forget something they never knew, in order to attack that person with out of control fury, as some on this board are wont to do. Of course, my sympathy goes out ot anyone who loses a loved one NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY DIED. But perhaps my sympathy should be more reserved for those who feel the need to constantly attack, denigrate, misinterpret (deliberately?), hound, and judge those who challenge an ideal. Having said that, I find some on here who post disturbed. Merry Christmas to all. My last post here. If anyone cares to respond, I will not see it.
I wouldn't worry about it
Honestly, I think the last thing he needs to worry about is Hillary. I doubt he will get into the White House to begin with. The Rethugs will do anything to put a stop to that. I think they are the bigger threat in this picture.
No I don't. But it wouldn't make me any less of a
"real woman" if I did. Just curious here, are you male or female?
i wouldn't go down that road
When you start knocking down spouses, but especially children, of politicians that's pretty low. Not all families "look similar". My BIL was not his father's son, but he claims he looks the most like his father. There is a definite non-resemblance there but he doesn't see it.
As for Chelsea? Oh please, I've heard her speak and she is too infatuated with her mother and how great she thinks her mother is she doesn't understnad the issues, and she doesn't sound all too intelligent. Makes me wonder where that education money went her parents spent on her education.
I think McCain's daughter is a pretty and doesn't look "challenged" as you call it, but to start commenting on who you think is pretty or not pretty or whose hair color is nice or not nice. I woun't go down that road, cos we could really get into Hillary's hair color and others.
Wouldn't be the first time he has
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I wouldn't want my 15-yr-old granddaughter going to
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Get in that last word! Wouldn't want you to
Sam's a republican through-&-through. Wouldn't be
All that trumpting of his own virtue & intelligence and all. He doesn't seem to get it that NOBODY reading this forum, no matter what candidate they believe in, is going to change their point of view based on what they read here. And most CERTAINLY not because of anything the oh-so-self-important, omnipotent (or maybe IMpotent?) Sam has written here.
And who wouldn't? She's an embarrassment
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Wouldn't it be cool if you could get EVERY
to BOYCOTT the election and NOT VOTE AT ALL. PERIOD.
Hold the election for ransom, and our demand would be to STOP THE 'BAIL-OUT', and just let nature take its course with the death of Wall Street.
Well you wouldn't want Obama then, right????
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You wouldn't know a fact if it came up
According to Revelations 21:8, there is a special place in hell for liars:
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Wouldn't it be great.......
to have all these wonderful things -- healthcare, food, clothing, housing, heat/air, transportation, all without paying for it. FREE is great! Now, how do you pay for it?
We wouldn't think of it. You are wasting enough
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I wouldn't necessarily believe
the polls they are reporting anyway, all over the board, and I believe they are manipulating the whole election.
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