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Posted By: Christian MT on 2009-06-04
In Reply to: Your right...(sm) - Just the big bad
our way out of debt???????
There is no logic at all to that line of thinking.
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With this logic....
...am I to assume that if you personally were imprisoned on faulty and/or trumped up charges that later proved false that you should therefore remain in prison?....simply because at one point the charges against you were believed to be true by the court?
You are saying that our government can never admit to a mistake or to being misled and then CHANGE the course of action?
As Ted Koppel said, our reason for Iraq went from being for our own national security and then as the facts were revealed about the reasoning for this, it changed to being for the good of the Iraqi people. It has now proven to be neither for the good of the Iraqi people or for the lives of the Americans.
Logic
only a look (sans rose colored glasses) at the current state of affair and perfectly logical question of where the same trajectory might lead 4 years from now.
Ah, what logic
Just shows the overall mentality of the "pro-life" side. People like you and this murderer do great things for your cause everyday. Makes us all want to switch over to your side....
Scary logic
So you would base qualification solely on his horrific experience in the POW camp? Seriously?
McCain is truly to be admired - no doubt - and ANYone who actually said "lying in a POW camp for 5 years does not make you qualified to run a counry" is despicable.
But enduring torture (at the hands of people whose country we invaded by the way, sound familiar?)
does not and SHOULD NOT automatically grant *any*one a pass to the most powerful position on the planet. If that's as far as your thinking goes, it's just scary...
PATRIOTISM, my friend, means standing up against your government on behalf of your COUNTRY! not JUST being willing to participate in any war, any where.
And being commander in chief means to ME that the person in that position would NEVER send men/women into another Vietnam OR IRAQ - and John McCain CLEARLY would like to continue the battle in many more places - but NOT in the one place where the attackers from 9/11 originated: Saudi Arabia. THAT my friend is shameful.
very lame logic; and she never said only.
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Lame logic??????
If it's lame logic that I have listened to ALL candidates and decided for myself based on what they have said without regard for the media take, the political party affiliation, gender or color, then so be it. By whatever means you have made YOUR decision, I assume you don't consider your logic lame and I certainly will not put you down for coming to a conclusion that differs from mine.
...of twisted logic.
Strange logic!
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Where's the logic in this way of thinking?
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I could agree with your logic if
Obama would let it alone Unfortunately, he is not going to do that. He has already said that his first order of business will be to sign into law the FOCA. He will be allowing many ill-aborted babies to die without treatment after having been mutilated, burned, etc. This isn't an issue of whether or not you are pro-life or pro-choice. This is about whether or not a born child should be left to suffer and die. The key word here is born. That child was born.
I work on a peds hospital account. I type reports everyday about babies born at 25 weeks and everything being done to save them. I don't see how someone can say "that baby gets to live today and I'm going to help it because the mother wants it to live, and that baby will die today because the mother does not want it."
This FOCA directly undoes the Safe Haven act. It makes no sense. How is the FOCA any different than a mother leaving their unwanted infant to die in a trash can?
Be careful where you go with that logic
Does that mean that we can safely assume that anyone who believed in Swaggart, Baker, Haggart, or any one of the legion of other evangelical ministers are guilty of not having a true Christian belief or guilty of the same 'crimes' that their ministry leaders were? Guilt by association, while easy, doesn't seem like a very Christian assumption.
the logic is in the legality, though
Killing the adult with cancer would be illegal. Abortion is legal. Does that spell it out for you?
Let's use logic for a change....(sm)
I would assume the only thing Obama might not have paid for would have been travel to NY. So, you tell me, exactly how else was he supposed to get there when the Secret Service is in charge of how he gets from point A to point B.
You need to pay attention to what has actually been going on in this country instead of getting wrapped up in the pettiness that is now the republican party. Where was your outrage when Bush spent billions on a war over BS? Amazingly, you guys have been on a spending spree for the last 8 years (most of which wasn't even on the books, BTW), and now all the sudden you want to worry about the cost of a date.
Poor little you, you can't afford a date. Well, next time think ahead and try not to vote in a president like Bush, and maybe, just maybe, the whole economy won't be in the shi++er and you can have your date, along with a job!
There is no arguing with that kind of logic.
Alex Jones is not a physicist or a structuralist, I presume. The people who built the WTC explained how the extreme heat from the jet fuel caused the buildings to topple. There is no use arguing this with you. You have chosen to believe it and there you have it.
"Twisted logic" is just another way of describing
Doesn't fool everybody, just the naiive, the narrow-minded, the SHEEP.
Baaaaa.
Your logic makes no sense at all
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By that same logic, Obama is also a puppet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There seems to be a piece of logic that has escaped you.
Hawaii DOES hold the authentic after all? Wouldn't that simply confirm that he was born in Hawaii?
After reading the piece of trash lurking behind your link, my head was spinning as I attempted to count how many times Andy the anti-Obama lunatic Martin referred to "I", "mine", and "my" in his statement. Do you not recognize a megalomaniac in the midst of trying to justify his frivolous lawsuit and vindicate his own delusions of grandeur in his claims being the smartest attorney on the face of the earth?
This is the same guy who is trying to assert that Frank Marshall Davis is the REAL biological father of Obama. You expecting to see that on on the "real, typewritten, long version" of the secret Hawaiian BC? If that were the case, then what was Obama Sr's visit with Obama all about? How about the Kenyan grandmother and brother who fringe pubs falsely claim witnessed his birth in Kenya? So Aunti Zeituni isn't REALLY his Aunti Zeituni after all? She's yesterday's news, now that you have conjured up another, more desperate smear?
Your hate machine is imploding all over itself under the weight of its own lies. If you don't get a grip on yourself, the next legal action down the pipe just may be your own state commitment papers.
Looks like that logic thingy is way above your head.
That's a pretty hard thing for O to accomplish BEFORE he takes the oath, and his senatorial offices did not afford him to accomplish such feats single-handedly, so maybe you could try clarifying what you are babbling about now.
Logic + Big Bad - Never the twain shall meet.
There you go trying to be all logical and realistic and everything.
Those who are in the 'ignorance is bliss' camp will never believe that radical Islam is anything to worry about. They will continue to blame 9/11 on America. They will continue to blame Bush for everything else. They will continue to praise their annoited one every time he jogs shirtless or plays with a puppy or eats a piece of pie.
They don't want to see his radical agenda, his blatant mistakes, or his real (and really dangerous) lack of leadership skills.
My folks used to raise hunting dogs. Once in awhile, you'd come up with a dog that simply couldn't learn. No matter how much time you put into training and coaching the poor little thing, its head could never seem to get in the game. They were lovable, attractive, but totally useless for the job they were meant to do.
I can't wait until we get another chance to find the pick of the litter, because when it comes to Obama, as my dad might say, "That dog can't hunt."
Try to follow this logic. I support Obama. Therefore,
his platform and every single speech he ever gave, was and never will be MY issue. It is yours. MY issue is with the hypocrisy of Joe the unlicensed, the way he misrepresented his intentions to buy the business (seems to have completely forgotten that by now), misrepresented his income, the income of the business in question and the innocent bystander routine that you so strongly defend. Contrary to popular belief, it seems, ignorance IS NOT BLISS here. His cover was blown and you can't stop crying foul because the underlying agenda is out in the open.
Beyond that, McCain has lifted up JTP and is using him to further misrepresent his alleged concern for the middle class (a phrase which he has yet to utter in any speech) which is clearly the case, given his 24-year record of voting and his 90% undying devotion to the "commonly shared philosophy" with the shrub.
gee -- that's the same kind of logic applied to pro-life
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Logic and common sense tell me the content of this message
Our government agencies tend to err on the side of caution in these circumstances. I do agree that votes will not and should not be swayed one way or the other. I just found this to be a fascinating piece of news.
Tax and spend...
but not in that order
"I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008
Neither can I. I'm going to spend it
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He never seems to explain how he will spend the
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SHE did not spend it, GOP did. - see message
I take great issue with the fact that we have some serious problems in America (unemployment/lost jobs, housing crisis, war, etc) and everyone is focused on where and how much was spent on Palin and families clothes. Hooey is what I say! (sorry don't know how to spelly hooey(who-ee)). Everyone is focused on money. Money, money, money. That's all anyone cares about. Obama is picked and everyone is praising the democratic choice because he is not someone who has been in Washington for centuries like the other. Palin is picked and republicans are critized that she has not been around for centuries. Obama has no experience and that's okay "we need a fresh face with new ideas". Palin is picked who has experience and people chose to ignore that. So everyone wants people who have money in the white house and she is critized for not having enough. Everyone is into the "image". Palin and her family do not live like the high-fallutin (sp?) washington beurocrats do. They don't spent thousands of dollars on clothing. But because "image" is what everyone wants, the GOP buys them clothes. God knows she's made fun of for everything else. She already answered the question. SHE did not buy clothes, etc for her and her family. The GOP did. She has no use for those clothes and they either have been or will be returned. As for people going after her to "verify" this. I think that story is a bunch of crapola! I don't believe it. I have not seen a credible source to verity they haven't returned the items. This is probably like that anonymous coward who is trying to stir up trouble by saying Gov. Palin lost the election for the republicans. Gov. Palin did not lose the election for them. McCain did that all by himself (and GOP for even picking him, and GOP for not picking a different VP candidate). If anything Gov. Palin held it together. Everytime he started diving in the polls she would get out and give speeches and the debate, and his poll numbers would go up. People loved Gov. Palin. Others were just bitter or hateful.
She never "stepped over the limits", because the GOP was the ones who determined that her family had to hold the same image so they did what they needed. The GOP knew very well people would not vote for someone who's family is a jeans & t-shirt type of family. Image. That's all that anyone cares about and if the McCain camp had any chance at all the GOP knew they had to present an image to the public.
She and her family gave everything back. It will be (or has been) verified. People need to stop focusing on this petty insignificant issue and lets move ahead. We will never make this country great if the democrats keep focusing on Gov. Sarah Palin and what has happened in the past. The democrats are always screaming at us stop looking in the past. I read somewhere that this is why the democratic party will fail. Because they don't look ahead, they keep focusing on Palin and keep preferring to kick her while she is down. Leave the lady and her family alone. They've gone back home and you will not have to see them or hear from them again.
LOL. SHE will spend too much in govt?
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We don't have the money to spend.
That's the problem. They have to borrow the money from other countries. If they keep printing money like its going out of style, our money will have no value and you'll be taking a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread...if you can find a loaf of bread.
As you say, what part of that don't you understand?
Really? Then perhaps you should spend your time
reminding the posters who continue to say it ain't so, that Obama isn't really dropping those charges. Talk to them, the rest of us do not live in O land.
Totally against. You cannot spend and get
If you were in debt, what are you to do, I guess get more in debt. Then you beg your family and friends to bail you out and now you owe them plus your debt and it get worse and worse. Finally, bankrupt and could be out in the streets.
Well, isn't that what we are doing with Obama in office? Isn't that what we are doing with this stimulus, but now EVERYONE is involved?
By tomorrow, after this new TARP program comes out by our new treasury, we could be about 2 Trillion dollars in debt total, plus the 750 billion from the previous bailout. We need to pay off our debts and not create more!
I agree that cutting taxes may not have helped, but I believe some of us who are in this mess have done it to ourselves (me included). Some wanted a fancy car, better house, nicer things and we bought and bought (not all of us) and now our nation is running and functioning by being in debt.
Took an 8 hour Crown Ministry class and it was incredible. They have a website and they recommend not to call a credit counselor, but to call one of them and guess what, IT IS FREE and they tell you what to say to your creditors and how to set up a budget plan. I am paying off all my debts no matter how hard I work and getting rid of a car and going by a strict budget.
I believe if this stimulus goes through the way it is by spending and spending, well, the ugly head of inflation will appear. I do not want my credit cards to rise to 30-40% interest or have the bank say, cough up the money honey, nor do I want to pay 12.00 for half gallon of milk.
You should take your two cents and spend it on
Badly needed, I'm afraid.
Here's how to spend your tax rebate money
How to use the rebate:
As you may have heard the Bush Administration said each and every one of us would now get a nice rebate. If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China. If we spend it on gasoline it will all go to the Arabs, if we purchase a computer it will all go to India, if we purchase fruit and vegetables it will all go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala, if we purchase a good car it will all go to Japan, if we purchase useless crap it will all go to Taiwan and none of it will help the American economy.
We need to keep that money here in America, so the only way to keep that money here at home is to buy prostitutes and beer, since those are the only businesses still in the US.
You mean with all the time you spend posting on
Your hubs must make a wad, huh? Seeing as how you obviously dont work a lick.
How much time did you spend watching
the video and confirming every fact? I care about all this and read what I can, but that sounds borderline obsessive. JMHO of course.
Not so much minority, just not as much time to spend on it...
as some seem to have...
It has been my experience with 2 hospital jobs that I had, most of the women, probably 95%, were married and did not need to work. This is going back some 16 years, but it was reasonable back then. A lot of women I worked with talked about how they ocketed their pay in the bank and lived off the spouses pay and benefits.
Times have changed so much. I was a single, newcomer, who needed every penny I made because I lived week to week, but they would always vote down the benefits because they did not need them, and they always put me down all the time. Luckily, there were a few bright shining stars who were open, friendly, and helpful - who taught me SO much about transcription; but the majority, well, not so much.
My point is that our profession has one of the biggest class divisions I think I have ever seen or experienced.
She can spend all the campaign donations she wants
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Why would anyone with any sense at all spend $500,000 instead of $12.00 if he could settle it...
Makes sense -- spend 500,000 to block all the lawsuits but not 12.00 for your BC. Where is everyone that was hollering about what was spent on Palin's wardrobe.
And I gave him money and he can spend anyway he wants.
I will be watching with great expectations.
It is his money, he can spend it as he chooses.
What do you think would happen to our economy if everyone stopped spending money? The purpose of Georgie Porgie's stimulus checks were to get everyone out spending money and helping businesses stay afloat.
It takes a lot of nerve telling anyone how to spend their money. That's why it is called "their" money, not yours!
but it is his money to spend as he chooses -
Yes, the economy is horrible, but that does not mean that the people that have money should not spend their money.
I happen to have more money than one of my sisters; however, I don't not spend my money because she cannot afford to spend any.
If he was not spending his personal money on what he chooses, he still would not be giving it to other people to buy cars and pay their mortgages!
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How much time do you spend on both political boards sm
with an opinion to just about every post out there? Seriously. Are you a transcriptionist? Because if you are, you're in the wrong field.
As passionate as you are on our country and all that is going on, you should channel all of this emotional energy towards actually making a difference instead of rebutting every single statement - both Conservative and Liberal, like volunteering for your local conservative chapter or something.
Write a political column.
Run for office.
You spend plenty of time cat fighting when
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I'd rather eat glass than spend a single minute
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Obama says.. "Show me the money". I will spend it
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Spend at least as much time on pub party rehab
What ails your party has next to noting to do with Obama. I don't suppose anyone should expect republicans to recognize the severity of their own party's schisms, especially since their leader thought the economy was "essentially sound" and barely addressed the subject during the campaign.
I heard a sobering statistic yesterday. Among republicans, only 18% of them support SP as a future party leader. I would not be pinning my hopes on her for 2012. Did you happen to notice how brilliant Obama's campaign organization was. That is what you will be up against in 4 years. I am suggesting that the party needs to figure out how to connect with voters between now and then. You have a wide split within your own ranks. Personally, I think they need to move their platform principles more to the center. You may have different ideas. You need to come up with some new blood, and it's not as though you do not have good candidates down ticket who deserve their party's attention in terms of lifting them up into the national spotlight. If you spend the bulk of your time focused on how much you hate Obama and think you can run a successful campaign based on smear, you will be stuck out again.
This in no way implies you should not question him, but if all you have is attacks and offer up no alternatives to policies you oppose, you are bound to repeat these election results in 2012. The party needs a makeover. For starters, a central theme might be nice. Here's a clue for you. Putting all you eggs in the right fringe basket and turning a blind eye to the electorate's desire for bipartisan cooperation and solution's oriented diaglog will lead you straight into the dead end you now find yourselves in.
No problem with checks and balances, but may I suggest you spend at least as much time checking your own party's out-of-control free fall?
Hello. So, the gov prints fiat money to spend
it's way out of this depression. Let's see if that works for your family.
You lose your job, you have no income, but you spend and spend on your credit cards, up to their max, all 25 of them, thousands of dollars in debt that you will never even be able to pay the interest on, and then the holders of your debt say pay up or we're coming after you, taking your home, everything you own, including your first born. What do you do then? Have you spent your way into prosperity or have you spent your way into bankruptcy?
I'm sure you are not trillions and trillions of dollars in debt, and you probably don't have any printing presses to counterfit monopoly money, but if spending your way to posperity will not work in your family, what makes you think it will work with the government? It can't without dire consequences.
Ah yes, governor Rendel, of the tax and spend branch...
of the Democratic party. I saw where Specter finally changed parties...only a formality, he has voted as a Democrat for years. Obama got elected and he wanted on the train...lol.
You must spend more time listening to talking heads
Yeah, and his "viable plan" is only to spend trillions
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