so now abortion as population control...
Posted By: Kendra on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: Would love to be a fly on the wall if your daughter - sm
lovely thought! As far as my daughter getting pregnant--there are options other than abortion. Plenty of people who want babies can't have them--or there is always the good old fashioned taking responsibility for your actions. I have one child that was a surprise and don't know what I would do without him. With my second "surprise" on the way, I am certain that I will never feel that keeping my baby was a mistake, but I am certain that I would have thought killing him was! The timing is bad, I was a little irresponsible, but babies have an uncanny way of making people happy. It seems to me that our world could use a little more of that.
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Nothing silly about population control.
BTW....we ARE animals.
No, not population control, Einstein. But in
an already overcrowded world, what sense does it make to bring an UNWANTED child into the world? Babies dont automatically make people happy when their birth is a mistake and it ruins their lives.
Abortion shouldn't even be an issue. With all the forms of birth control
available, many at low or no cost, not to mention abstinence, abortion should not even be an issue. Too many people use it as a form of birth control and it isn't. I know there are some circumstances that warrant an abortion, but those are rare. Abortion may be legal, but it is immoral.
Conservatives are for control over their own children and less control by govt
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
you want it both ways, it is dem fault with control, and when they had no control
it was their fault as well. yes GB did not get anything done, no deregulation, no war, no shift of power to the corporations, nothing.
so you are saying he was utterly incompetent?
How about if some of us are using birth control to be responsible and control.......sm
the size of our families, as almost every family has to do? And believe me, I tried the "rhythm" method, and I have my beautiful son, Alex, as a response. And I adore him, and thankfully we found ways to afford him, care for him in every way, etc., but some sexual aides and birth control are actually used by Christian couples who have been married for 28 years, gong on 29 in May. sex is also important in a loving marriage, not just to "do whatever feels good." There is nothing shameful in married, committed sex.
Control? If you mean, control of putting our country
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meant is against abortion...didn't mean supports abortion (NM)
Well, it keeps the population down
and lesbians don't spread HIV. Also, (see my other post) nobody leaves the toilet seat up. There's no fight over the TV remote, which is used only for selecting a channel someone actually wants to watch. Additonally (and this is a big plus in my book) there are none of them little tiny hairs that are left in the bathroom sink after a guy shaves. Nobody opens a cupboard door for a split second, closes it and yells, 'Honey, where's the ........?'
When you want to indoctrinate a population...
you start with children and youth. Socialism 101.
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
African-American population
It's a good thing if the black population is ever growing into the middle class. It means that that demographic is benefiting from workfare and the changes in welfare that kept the culture dependent soley on the government for many years. The most striking thing about New Orleans is that it is one of the most welfare ridden cities left in the country, and that is why so many people there were in such a poverty state. The able people haven't been made to start providing for and/or bettering themselves. New Orleans is an example of what happens in a nanny state. It's not that the government was not involved. It was involved too much. It's glaringly obvious.
State population: Same as Austin, Tx.
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40% of TOTAL US population (i.e., most of mid class)
Folks, this is the sum total of every SINGLE person (not family income) whose income is less than $57,490. Again, if this describes your economic class, ask yourself, does 40% of all work force (those persons who earn under this income figure) do less than 1% or more than 1% of the work. People, this is a question of fair pay for work performed. MTs battle cry. Is this okay with you?
He's won the Islam population......whoop de doo
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Nope, she's right. He won that population hands down
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He is president for the Muslim population
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Population is comparable to Memphis, TN - hahahahahaha
80% approval rating - WHAT A JOKE!!!
Alaska is the largest state, accounting for over 15% of the entire land area of the United States. For all its size, Alaska has the lowest population density of all fifty states, with just 1.1 person per square mile.2 By comparison, South Dakota has ten times as many people per square mile.3 Alaska's entire population is comparable to the city of Memphis, Tennessee, which is the 17th largest city in the United States.
http://www.mahalo.com/Alaska_Population
The moderate Islamists, that is the general population
condemn the actions of the fundamentalists and radicals, they do not agree with them, as those backfired on them.
These wars have nothing to do with religion, they are all political wars.
Actually, the black middle class is the fasted growing population, but
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Minorities do make up a lopsided percentage of the prison population.
But just stating that as a fact which is self-evident pays no attention whatsoever to the root causes of minority tension in our nation, nor address the fact that rich people with their various crimes tend to be well-connected enough to keep their butts out of jail, thus disproportionately skewing the prison statistics. Many more reasons can be advanced to explain the sad state of America's penal system, but none of that matters in the subject at hand.
Bennett's conclusion (as a member of the wealthy, advataged and least-likely-to-go-to-prison-for-his-crimes club) is that mass genocide would solve our crime problems.
Don't you realize how frightening that is?
Governing a very small population is different from being VP of an entire country...still no compari
sorry...baby with special needs should come first. I know if I had a special needs baby I would stop working for a while to care for that baby. The baby needs special care, it's not a baby you can just dump on just anybody.
and he wants to control it all.....
the banks, the insurance industry, the automotive industry, the health care industry, the finance sector, and our entire lives. You call that strength. I call that dictatorship.
Gun Control
John Lott, Jr., a Yale social economist, did the largest study on gun control laws covering all 3000 counties in the US. His findings astounded the author himself, who had reviewed many other studies - all of which had been extremely small - that suggested guns don't deter crime.
The title of Lott's published study tells his findings in a nutshell: "More Guns, Less Crime". It's an exhaustive book filled with much more data than most of us would ever care to see, but the findings were unequivocal: the more guns there are in the hands of law-abiding citizens, the lower the rate of gun crimes committed against them.
On the strength of what he found, Lott, who had never even owned a gun or fired one except one time at a summer youth camp - purchased a handgun and got a license to carry it. Consequently, the gun-banning crazies who howled bloody murder at his research (but who haven't been able to mount a single credible counterargument in the intervening years) called him a "gun nut".
Pro birth control....s/m
I'm definitely not pro abortion, but am pro choice in, what should be, the rare event of unexpected pregnancy, and in that case I think that the woman herself should be the one to decide whether to terminate the pregnancy or not, and if so, it should remain a safe, and legal option. It's an extremely emotional, and difficult decision for most women to have to make in that situation.. I did a quick look and see that the abortion rate in the US has declined from 1996 to 2002. I'm going to look for statistics from 2002 to the present when I have more time. I think the key in the main is stressing birth control measures, and also making those measures affordable to all women across all socio-economic groups.
Birth control is....
used to prevent pregnancy......not kill an innocent child AFTER it is conceived. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! How do you people sleep at night?
You are correct...he wants to control...
the situation, questions asked, etc, because he knows he couldn't come up with any anwers on the fly without knowledge of them first. He told Bill O to his face after one of the debates that he would come on his show after the primaries...hmm, so much for Michelle stating in her speech that he was a man of his word. Anyone who can't answer the tough questions without being prepped and coddled is not ready to lead this country.
Yes indeed. Lot of RNC damage control going on.
How do the Pubs turn Gustav into a political advantage? We already see them shameless working all the angles and considering their options, but let's face it. They need all the help they can get now that Gustav has blow the wind out of the sails of their copy-cat showcase celebrity VP pick. It's just as well. A 48-hour ride on that boat was just about all the excitement JM could stand at one time.
Any political capital the RNC is trying to get out of Gustav is doomed to fail. What's a party to do? The collective sigh of relief they all are breathing over the Bush and Cheney speech cancellations to go put on their compassionate conservative hats and polish up their leadership image is producing wind gusts up to a Category 10. How can they celebrate the debut of their golden girl on a split screen they share with the drowning of New Orleans Part II and hold their collective breaths at the same time and pray those levies don't break again? One would think they would have the sense to postpone the event until all the ruckus dies down, but if they did that, people might actually start expecting the Prez and VP to deliver their speeches again. They can't have that, now can they?
The dems will not be too worried about Bush/Cheney speech cancellations one way or the other. The RNC opening night and the leadership image role down south are equal opportunities for Bush and Cheney to show their true colors and there is no way the media is going to be polite enough not to be reminding us all about the screw ups last time around, no matter how presidential they try to appear. It's a lose/lose situation no matter how you look at it.
Must have skipped over all the sam control,
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As far as birth control....I have not seen anything about...
people wanting to remove birth control. Just because an individual elects not to use it does not mean they do not want anyone else to have access. With this permissive society liberals have created there is really no choice but to provide it.
Yes, there are natural causes for miscarriage. That is leaving it up to God. For us to put the life of an innocent child totally in the hands of someone else to choose whether it lives or dies, just as a personal choice, I believe is wrong. Just as those in these orphanges murdered children...it is murder. Killing an innocent for no reason other than "oops" is wrong.
What overturning Roe vs. wade would do is put it back in the hands of legislators who, by the constitution, are the only ones who can enact laws. The Supreme Court should not be enacting laws. They are to interpret...not legislate. I believe it should be overturned because it is unconstitutional. Then put it to a state-by-state vote. Some states would outlaw abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or life of mother. Some would outlaw it, period. Some would allow it in all forms. But at least it would be the will of the people.
Why do you think congress has never tried to pass an abortion law? Even when the democrats had control? Even before Roe vs. Wade? The truth is in the pudding.
Republican control
Excuse me but aren't the House and the Senate Democrat controlled since 2006? They haven't helped this country one bit since they took control, in fact it has gotten worse. By your own reasoning you are wrong about why this country is in such bad shape, it's not the Republicans alone. And the Democrafts do not concern themselves at all about the middle class, just the people who have no pride and can't get off their asses and work, only lip service in election years. Heaven forbid the lazy class take on a part time job when things get rough. I'm sick of carrying the lazy class on my back...
Look where out-of-control capitalism got us.
Hello...tightening gun control is not a ban.
out of hands of criminals and gun-free zones (that already exist, such as federal buildings, airports, etc) do not threaten your precious pistols. AK-47 assault rifles REALLY necessary for hunting and protection? If you are not a criminal, you have nothing to fear. For heaven's sake, ever hear of compromise?
Bush has no control over this. This is
Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, and Paulson's baby. They're the ones who calls the shots on how this money is to be given out and used. They were the ones with the first bright idea for this bailout.
Even yesterday, Frank decided he would give the automakers $25K with governments ownships of the automakers. Yet last night, I hear it's only a loan to them to be paid back. So, which is it?
By those organizations that want control.
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Spending under control...huh?
Yeah.....an 825 billion dollar stimulus package that won't really work....sounds like spending is under control to me. Holy crow people! Nothing like adding that to our huge deficit now and how many days as he been in office? Is that like a new record of making the deficit shoot up so fast within the first month of a presidency. Impressive....NOT.
Control of Congress???
If you don't know what you are talking about - maybe you should venture to a safer topic, like, I don't know, knitting? Bush vetoed and obstructed the Dems at every turn (do you read?). Just like right now - the pubs are obstructing and delaying at every turn. Same old games just a different President. Obama is getting a crash course in "Politics as Usual." He may have been woefully mistaken in believing the 2 parties could work together. Won't happen. The pubs will trumpet their BS and obstruct everything they can all in the name of trying to exert their power. They don't give a rats about what happens to the American people. They really don't. They want to keep big corporations and banks in power - not We The People. Do you really think they care if people stay in their houses or not? NO. The problem is all these banks with empty houses they can't sell. Gotta save the mortgage companies and Banks - screw the people. There will be some kind of bendover in the new mortgage contracts with lower interest - watch and see. WHAM! It'll hit those people right between the eyes just when they thought things were going good, that is, if the economy turns around - which I doubt. Not enough cooperation.
BTW, there are much better birth control
options than birth control pills. One of them IUDs, when those are in, there is nothing to 'forget' about them.
Gun Control Article
My, read nothing about it in our newspapers around here. Please pay attention to the paragraphs following these:
His feelings about House Bill 375 are the same, according to his Philadelphia office manager, Joe Evangelista.
Similar to House Bill 375, U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush of Illinois in January introduced Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/234644
No. I just wish we could get some union control
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Did someone mention anger control....
Corporations control the media.sm
Wonder who controls the corporations? I do not watch mainstream television news because it is censored and compromised, so I could not tell if you if they are left-leaning or not. Republican/Democrat same thing to me - divide and conquer.
He looks a few questions away from losing control...nm
Not everyone has the same access to birth control. sm
I guess you didn't watch 20/20 this past Friday night? You can view it on their website. Go to http://abcnews.go.com/2020 and click on Watch: Babies in Memphis
I think everyone who is interested in this current thread would find it interesting, whatever your opinion on abortion is. It was called "Babyland" because that's what the locals call the cemetary where all the premature babies who die are buried if their mother can't afford to bury them.
It was about how the poverty-striken areas in Memphis, TN have much greater rates of premature births and deaths of babies than the more affleunt areas. Why? Lots of reasons, but probably the main one is lack of money, which means lack of prenatal care. No insurance and no easy access to a free or low-cost clinic. Lack of education. The girl they profiled was 18 and pregnant, and they showed another girl who had gotten pregnant at 12 yrs old, now a mother at 13. I mean, yeah, a 12 y/o shouldn't be having sex - she's still a child, but how in the world would she have access to birth control? She wouldn't.
It showed how the closest clinic is only open during the day (and only 1/2 day on Sat., to cut costs). No evening or weekend hours, so what are you supposed to do, take time off work, which you can't afford, to go get birth control (or prenatal care, etc.) which you also can't afford? I mean to you or me it may seem like a no-brainer - if nothing else go to the drugstore and get a box of condoms for $10.00, or the Today sponge thingie, but maybe they don't even have an extra $10.00 (or the time and $ to take 2 buses to get to the drugstore?).
All I'm saying is, the situation is different for everyone. I've personally never had an easy time with any method of birth control I've tried, and it's a bit of a wonder to me that I've never had an unplanned pregnancy because of that. Maybe because of that, I try to be less judgmental of others. Oops, more to say but I've got to go...
Sam busy w/damage control this a,m.
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I disagree. Since the dems got control, nothing
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40% (all individuals earing less than $57,400/yr) control
More than likely, that would include you, if you are an MT. Ask yourself this question. Do 40% of the population do less than 1% of the work? No? Then why do they control less than 1% of the wealth? This is about preventing the middle class from disappearing off the face of the nation. It's not welfare. It is about fair pay for fair work. MTs are constantly complaining about being paid what they are worth for the work they do. The relief they deserve will never come from the "right" side of pub. Don't you get that?
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