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Make him responsible for the decision

Posted By: academia on 2007-10-20
In Reply to: HELP, son in first year of college... psm - frustrated

If he wants to switch schools and give up the scholarship, tell him he has to get the funding to do it. I had to do the same thing with my daughter. She gave up a good scholarship at a great private school for pharmacy because she wanted to come back closer to home to be around her boyfriend. She ended up having to take out the loans to pay for it.

There is nothing written in stone that says we have to pay for our children's educations. It is nice if you can help as a parent, but I think kids learn much more if they have some of their own resources invested.


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Yes. Make your teenager responsible for as much as she can pay for.
and maybe a little more. Don't make it easy. Make sure that she has to work a little (not so much that grades suffers), has to budget, and plan and take the responsibility of driving seriously. This is more than likely the most dangerous thing your child has done so far her life. Make sure she understands that. It's not a social thing, a drive-around-with-your-friends thing. Preparing a young person for driving responsibilities is life and death.
Unfortunately, in the last three yeas, I've been to three funerals for teenage drivers -- all of whom were out of control in every aspect of their lives. Our state does not allow children to become licensed drivers until age 16-1/2. Our house rule was age 17. We did pay for the driver's ed, because it was pricey, our sons truly could not afford it, and we wanted our boys to have ever chance to learn to drive safely. Even though we taught them ourselves, as well, sometimes kids hear better what total strangers say to them! Also, I had a rule during permit driving sessions with my boys. They were never allowed to argue with me while we drove together. I was the teacher. I knew more than them. No arguing over anything, or else I terminated the lesson, car was pulled over, I drove home and that was the end until I felt we were ready for another driving lesson. That rule drove home how serious a responsibility driving is. I only had to do it once to one of my sons.
My oldest was lucky enough to inherit is grandfather's pristine 1991 Toyota (38,000 original miles) when pop-pop no longer could drive. It's a decent, dependable car. My son pays for repairs and gas. We pay for the insurance at this point, simply because we live in a big eastern city, and insurance is sky high. But, our son is also paying his own college tuition, so I have no problem helping him out with the insurance on his car.
This is a big deal. Make sure your daughter grasps the gravity of the responsibility. Don't argue with her about anything. These decisions have to be made by the parents, because it's a health and safety issue for your daughter and everyone else on the road with her.
I have a decision to make

and there is literally no one in my "real life" I can go to about it.


I just found out (by accident actually) that my husband has been cheating on me online, regularly visiting a couple of girls' websites with their pics, webcams, etc.


Here's the thing: I don't want to put up with this sh*t and I don't feel I have to. We've been married for less than 2 years. I don't have any kids. I'm still young (25). I have a good education and I can make enough money to support myself.


I feel like going out somewhere to think. Maybe spend the night in a hotel to get my head straight and figure out my next move. Please offer some advice.


I need to make a decision - any advice

I work for a wonderful company, have been there for about 5-6 years, except I worked out a pool and the work comes in about 5:00 p.m.  I get up every morning at 4:30 or 5:00 a.m., ready to work.  The problem is the other MTs have stayed up all night and have completed ALL of the work and I'm left with stragglers, maybe 200 lines per day. I cannot work at night becaue of other commitments.  I also work for another MTSO but their platform has so many steps just to get a report completed until it's frustrating, BUT it pays the same as the other company, but only every two weeks.  I'm not sure what I want to do, continue to fight to get lines every morning or just go through the 99,000 steps to get a report typed.


Any suggestions....!!!!


 


It would be a hard decision to make.

I would think long and hard about it if I was younger and could have cesarean, but the Doc took care of that aspect years ago.


The dramatic increase is probably because the money is good and because they need the money. I think the price used to be a lot higher when this trend started back in the ྂs or ྌs. Like all things, it's the rule of supply and demand.


What I have are children, bills & a big decision to make (nm)
nm
Why not give him some rings to choose from and let him make the final decision?
Some guys want to say they picked it out. Makes them proud to say they did so. Ultimately, it is not really about the ring, the wedding, or any of that. It is about how you two will live your lives together. Congratulations!
Bad idea - most girls/women do not make this decision lightly - sm
all this will do is cause more guilty feelings to the women who go through with the abortion; and the ones it does stop forces them to have a child they did not want and most likely won't give up for adoption as they don't want to perceived as a bad person. I bet at least have the girls who are "forced" to have their baby abuse them in one form or another as they will resent them. I think it is is a pretty st*u*p*id idea.
Yes, but if only 1 kid responsible, do you really think
the whole school would be given notice of being punished? Think about it. I am sure and anyone who does this type of work knows there are products out there to help a gaseous distention. My goodness. My DIA parapro here in Georgia and she tells me when her classroom children do things like this and she tells them to say excuse me - they tell her their parents don't mind. You all need to research this a little and I am sure you would be surprised as to whether medically related or attention getting actions.
You are not responsible for others
especially in an age group like this, just as you are not responsible for your parents. When you are grown, responsible for your own actions. Saying this did not have to happen- your life is written before you are born and no matter, that is already decided. This is the way it was supposed to be or never would have happened. I am not saying this is horrible situation but just the way these lives were supposed to start and if not this way, another way but I believe things are going to happen like your whole life is already planned out. Make plans but does not matter.
There are a lot of responsible and
a lot of irresponsible 15 year olds out there. In our state you can't get a license until you are at least16 and 3 months and then after driver's ed and behind the wheel. At 15 my son was definitely responsible enough. My daughter will be 15 in January and I don't know if I would say the same about her. You are the parent and you know your child and what they can and can't handle.
You are not responsible if he won't help himself (sm)
Tell him you think he needs to go to be observed a little while at the mental ward at the hospital. If he will not work and will not go get welfare, that is his problem, not yours. He should not expect you to take care of him if he won't even apply for welfare - anyone can fill out the paperwork for that, good grief. I think I would have to tell him off really well...or seriously tell him that since he won't do anything at all to take care of himself, he needs to go to a nursing home or mental hospital. Tell him you will have him committed.
be responsible and fix your cat.
nm
No matter how responsible you are
and how much time you spend with them, you cannot be there 24-7 to supervise them. That is completely unrealistic. Can we take them to the doctor, to the store, to the kids' school? Come on now.

There is a responsible way to crate an animal. No matter how much you train them, my labs still would have eaten anything in site for a certain period of time. There is no way I would leave them unattended to run my errands and chance them getting into something that could harm them. Regardless of the material objects as you call them, they could get hurt.

Also, a child does need a crib and a playpen. To say that those are used so that you do not have to supervise your kids is ridiculous. Everyone has to go to the restroom at some point. Should we carry them everywhere or perhaps let them run around so they can get into something that would harm them until we finish our business? Wow....

I believe a pediatrician would even tell you that those are necessary in raising a healthy child, and I am not talking about someone who puts their kids in a playpen all day instead of spending time with them either.
No, he is an adult and responsible for himself.
nm
Too bad some responsible adult...
could not get those kids. We have a celebutard, immature, crazy mother against a wanna be anything hanger on who is only interested in money...some role models! I hope there is money put away for the therapy those kids will need. The parents even give white trash a bad name!
sounds like you have a very responsible son!
that's awesome. He hasn't pushed the issue so I may just wait until he asks again. i also need to check the policy at school regarding boys wearing earrings.
no, it is not all a matter of responsible
ownership. There have been very loving responsible owners themselves attacked by their own dogs. A popular dog breed can be overbred indiscriminately and ruined. Unfortuntately this breed is too unpredictable. I've always been around animals, large and small and have both now. I would never have a pit bull. I visit my friend less often now who now has one, and won't get out of the car if it is loose. Not to mention that these dogs don't just bite, which would be bad enough, they instinctively go for the kill. I haven't read the link you provided yet, but do NOT believe that breed-specific legislation is stupid. This particular bill may be over the top, but breed-specific laws are brought on by a need, and wouldn't get off the ground without plenty of facts on record to support it.
A responsible owner would never allow...sm
Their pitbull to wander around public. That is why we have attacks. Owners should be responsible and keep them as well as any dog in a fenced in yard. Or if out in public on a leash. Mine will never be wandering around in public on its own. That is totally irresponsible. If I saw a pitbull out in public I would be cautious myself.
Dear Responsible
I think responsible and owner of pitbull somehow just does not go together.
The owners who are not responsible are ...sm
the problem. I would be mad too if I went out and was approached by a pit bull who growled at me, and I own a pitbull. He should be kept in his owners yard or home. No dog, pit or otherwise, should be allowed to roam around the neighborhood.
I fully understand you being furious. I would be too.

You are not responsible for any loonies out there
By having feedback like I got from this site, gave me an understanding of how to approach this sorta awkward situation. You just have people out there that seem to thrive on what they perceive to be right and what is the actual truth.
Dear Ms Thinks she is responsible
Truely funny how pitbull owners go on the defensive with what other dogs do. I am sure animal control knows how to be around and handle but even these people are attacked by these dogs. I rescue animals (not these as I want no responsibility for their acting out)but where I rescue these dogs are not adopted out, just put down. Even the people who are in the "know" so to speak do not want to be responsible.
YOU are not responsible for his debts, HIS ESTATE is....
You should read the posts better.

Was your brother your stepbrother and your mother your stepmother?

Therefore you did not care to help in locating your stepnephew/niece, so that they can get their shares?
No, you can not be held responsible for their bill -
nm
You shouldn't feel responsible....

As mean as it sounds, you have put up with it and YOU have decided for yourself that enough is enough and if you tell him so and IF he bounces back to alcoholism, then basically he is a grown man and that is HIS choice, you cannot let it affect you or make you feel responsible.


My sister-in-law is in the same boat as far as her husband being an alcoholic.  It has put so much stress on her and their children and it has been going on about 15 years.  He won't seek help though and she won't leave him.  She just says that she is hoping one day he wakes up and sees what a good wife she is.  I feel bad for her that she has wasted so much time on someone like that.


You are only responsible for changing your behavior, not someone elses
I am the product of a divorce years and years ago and thank goodness my mother had enough sense to not stay with my father. He was actually caught running around on her with other women. I knew my father growing up, spent time with he and my stepmom, loved her but I missed absolutely nothing by not having him in my house every day. You are responsible for your own self-. The advice you are giving is like saying a man messes around on a woman, drinks too much and maybe after the marriage he will change. You can only make yourself happy, no one else can do that for you. I have never had a time when I could not stand my husband, never and I would believe he probably feels the same. We laugh when others say they have to work at marriage- we just do not get this. Like I said, product of divorce, happily married myself, never missed my father, saw him but never, ever close in my life. By the way, I am one of the older and wiser group also.
It is entirely your decision to do what ...sm
you want. I personally thought it was so fun doing the whole Santa thing with my son. I guess different for everybody. It is true that the true meaning of Christmas has nothing to do with Santa, but it just makes it fun with the little ones. :)
Because you breed out of wedlock then that makes you a responsible person?
Sorry, not where I come from. I am so glad I did not bring home (well years ago it just WAS NOT done) children. If a female got pregnant, sent away to an unwed mother home, most of the time the child given up for adoption. When I was growing up you did not pop out babies right and left without a husband. I have had more than my share of responsibility, been able to stand on my own 2 feet and provide really well for my family. I made the right decision for me and do not regret and have never looked back on my decisions.
I completely believe Howard Stern is responsible for both Daniel
much for it just to be overdoses in two cases.  I don't buy it.
I see where you are coming from because I would be nagged by guilt and feeling responsible
for the problem.  I have those tendencies too.  No way should you cash your IRA for a car. 
A decision on this would not be left
up to me at all. This is not something I put my 2 cents in about. Their parents would be the ones to do this, that is unless the daughter/granddaughter is of age where she makes her own decisions. I have both but someone elses decisions, not mine.
Oh what an agonizing decision...

I'm so sorry you are going through this.  As an owner of almost all senior animals, it's something I have faced before and will soon have to face again and I dread it.  I wish there was something I could say to comfort you. 


Personally, if an animal in my care is showing signs of pain or distress, if there's something I can do to end that, I'm going to do it.  If it's a pill or treatment I can give them and I know it's doing no further harm, and it's financially feasable for me to do, I'll do it.  However, if the treatment is traumatizing or out of my league financially, I have to find some comfort in knowing I did the best that I could for them, for as long as I could, and now it's my duty to do what I believe is the right thing and end their suffering.  And you know what, it sucks.


I truly believe the animals tell us when they are done, and no one knows your animals like you do.  Cats though, they can be tough.  So many of them are so stoic and sadly when they are really hurting they just tend to disappear off somewhere to die, especially if they can go outside. 


I can't tell you what to do, only what I would do, which would be to go the euthanasia route and try to find some comfort in the fact that I was able to be strong for them and be there for them when they really needed me the most.   Don't go alone, have someone drive you if you can, and don't be afraid to hold your cat just as you always would.  In your arms, next to your heart, is where the love is and they know that.  I wish you well in this agonizing time. 


((((((hugs))))) --Kathy


I know you are upset about this and it is your decision
true enough. I probably would not like a 16-year-old to have the keys either. First of all, unless living there, lots are not responsible enough or use good logic but I was hurt, I was grown and could be trusted then and now and I would let me children have, but they are grown.
Yes, you are making the right decision (sm)
I was days away from making that decision myself with my old 20 year old baby, but she took the decision out of my hands, and I am grateful for that.  Maybe your baby will too.  If not, then she trusts you to do it for her.  Hugs.
Yes, and it was a very hard decision...
I had moved my mom in with me after she had surgery/went through rehab..  And I took care of her for 19 months. It was so hard. She had to go back in the hospital and I was fighting with my family at the same time for help...  It was really overwhelming.  She is still living but unfortunately my family moved her closer to them where she did not get the best care and was eventually moved again, further away from me to a facility that I can appreciate.  She looks really well and I know that she is being taken care of. I miss her.  I can not visit her as often as I would like but I know that she is being taken care of...  It is a very hard decision that I can not say that I don't regret.  I also contemplate on a daily basis if I made the right decision.  A day never passes that I don't ask myself is it time to go and get mom and bring her home? 
decision on grandma
I decided to email tell my grandmother i would bring the boys to her house Tuesday to do their Christmas visiting.  I haven't contacted my mother, she lives beside my grandmother; maybe she will come over when she sees my car.  Who knows?
hard decision

Putting down an animal is never easy.  We have lost two of our fur kids to illness, one just this past February.  His was a sudden illness and completely unexpected, and when the time came when the vet knew it was almost over, we went ahead and had him put to sleep so that he would not be suffering any more.  I was able to hold him when the vet gave him the shot.  It was so peaceful and so quick, and I was shocked.  I had this horrible image in my head of what it would be like, and it was the complete opposite. (Our other fur kid had been put to sleep immediately after surgery, so we had never seen the process).


I don't beleive you are trying to 'kill' a healthy pet.  It sounds like the poor guy is suffering, and dogs I think try to "hang in there" more so than cats.  Here is my opinion, for what it is worth.  If he is still able to go to the bathroom and get around a bit, if he is still eating, then use this time to get her used to the idea.  Talk to her plainly and tell her that he is coming to an end of his time here, and that for her to hold on to him is cruel.  She needs to be aware of how he is really feeling, and pay attention if he tries to tell her.  I'm not really saying this well, but I hope you get what I am trying to say.  I understand your mom's position - the thought of losing someone else is extremely painful to her, and hey, we all avoid pain as much as possible.  However, when she made a commitment to the dog, part of that commitment was making sure that when he was not able to be comfortable, healthy and happy any longer, she would take the steps to make sure he had as easy a passage to whatever lies beyond this life as possible.  Something else she may be worried about is the whole process of putting him to sleep.  If you have a good vet, and it sounds like you do, they will be able to guide her through this. 


Also, let her know that she will not be alone during/after this, and make sure that someone is there with her for support. 


It is a difficult situation for everyone concerned, and you have my heartfelt sympathy.  I hope that what I've said here helps you.  Good luck in whatever happens, and God bless. 


 


Thank you everyone. I made a decision.
I don't know if it will work, but I'm going to put my foot down the next time my sister says anything about Mom's money. I've argued with her in the past because I don't believe she has that much. Just yesterday, when I did that and said she has much less than you think, she came off with, she's so forgetful, she's got all this money and doesn't even realize it. She's been asking for years "how does Mom sound"? Like Mom's losing it.

I can't tell Mom what to do as far as a will goes. I know she doesn't really trust her husband and doesn't want him to get whatever she does have left. I also know Mom's had a will since before I was born, so I expect she has an updated one now.

Anyway, I've decided to put my foot down and just tell her she's not to speak of it again to me or I will hang up on her, leave her house or usher her out my front door. I cannot say anything to my mother. It's liable to cause something I couldn't live with.
It's a personal decision...
I researched this topic extensively and I came to the conclusion that circumcision was not right for my family.  We've had no problems because of it.  I can see why both sides have their opinions, but ultimately it is up to the individual to decide what's best.  For us, no circ has worked.  My child is very happy to be intact, as he was created.
I think O made the right decision.
3.5 billion people, more than half the world's population have a permissive or flexible policy on human embryonic stem cell research and all have banned human reproductive cloning.

I agree with this decision.
It's simple enough for parents to know what their kids are doing on the internet. Most parents are simply too lazy, don't understand how to do it, or have somr kind of misplaced sense that a kid is entitled to privacy.

Maybe if they start seeing what the consequences are the kids will start using some judgement.

I'm telling you guys, it's all a parent can do to keep them alive until 18 in this world today.

I think it should be a personal decision....
If a person has a medically documented terminal illness and does not want to suffere any more, then I think it should be their right. 
Sounds like a smart decision.
I'd so the same if I were you. I will pray for optimal outcome for you.

Regarding hormones, remember that the recommendation is now now against hormones after some huge studies. Use has decreased a lot, and for the second year in a row, cancer rates have dropped substantially. But I don't know anything about risks of short-term use, and maybe that's what you are considering.
Thanks - that is a major factor in my decision (sm)
My children. I feel like I am choosing between my happiness and theirs and of course they should win. They are happy now, but if they had to have visitation with their dad - who is definitely a control freak - I worry about their happiness. But is it better for them to visit him than to live with him. And wouldn't I be showing them that you don't have to live like that by leaving??? it's so hard!
Big decision, I need peace of mind (nm)
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Because I realized it was a bad decision to move here (sm)
I had just had a C-section, we lived in an apartment. He insisted that he do the house hunting. I was at home with my newborn and my c-section recovery. He fell in love with this house and told me all that we were going to do with it. I was worried the road might be too busy but he assured me it was not. I agreed. Then when I realized that I had to have room darkening shades on the windows at night to keep out the car lights and run a fan all night to drown out car noises, and that he wasn't going to fix the termite-eaten pantry or the sagging floor, yeah, I wanted to move. If you call that selfish then you come live here.
It was a tough decision, but I'm glad you got
your daughter's input and did not have to make the decision alone. Two things will happen. She will find out what a paddling is...and it sounds like she will only need ONE lesson about that issue. The second is that the paddling is over and done with...HER choice. You can't save her from all the bad things life is going to bring her, and she brought the consequence on herself and chose her punishment.

You should be proud that she chose EDUCATION by not missing class. THAT will last a lot longer than some stinging on the bum for a few hours. It does not matter which punishment she received, she will feel regret. She will receive a lesson in following the rules and not ruin her grades by missing class.

If it were ever to happen again, I would ask for an option of extra school work of some sort...a book report, etc., or running laps around the track.

Don't let these extremists make you feel so bad. I seriously doubt there will be any bruising. You made a good choice for letting her have input into her consequence. It sounds like no matter what happens, she has learned a lesson.

Good luck to you!
I did 2 years ago. BEST decision I ever made for myself.
I was 44 when I had the surgery. I went from a 36 DDD/E to a 36 B/C, and I'm ridiculously happy about it. No more aching back. The grooves in my shoulders are almost gone. Clothes fit, and I am much more active, so I generally feel better.

I had my surgery as an outpatient. Surgery was at 8:00 a.m. and by 3:30 I was home. I won't lie to you. It was pretty painful immediately afterwards, but that's what meds are for. These are extensive incisions with layers of stitches and staples. You have to expect pain. I also had an On-Q pump for pain medication. But to be honest, I really don't think that helped all that much. I was part of a study for that, and I know that our hospital has recently stopped using it. I guess the feedback wasn't very positive. Mostly, I took Percocet for about a week. I had drains on both sides, and the pain was MUCH better once those were removed about 3 days after surgery. So the worst of the pain was during the first three postop days. After that, I was usually pretty good during the day with just Tylenol and an occasional Percocet. I did take the Percocet at night. Sleeping was tough for a while because positioning comfortably was difficult. After the drains were removed and then all of the staples and sutures (about a week), I was up and out of the house and doing my normal activities. I just wasn't doing anything high impact. A month after the surgery, I did a slow but steady 8-mile hike with a daypack on and even camped in my tent and slept on the ground for two nights. I was fine. Not absolutely pain-free, but active and happy and looking great.

I gotta tell ya! To be 46 and have perky breasts makes me smile. My scarring isn't bad at all. (Thank you Mederma!) But I never planned to do a layout for Playboy, so a few red lines under my clothes don't bother me at all, especially because I'm able to walk about without a bra, if I really want to. :) The pain is just a distant memory now, and soooo worth it. My plastic surgeon told me that breast reduction surgery receives the most positive feedback from patients, more than any other plastic surgery procedure. I can't remember the exact figure, but something like 95% of women say they are pleased they had the surgery and are happy with the results.


nursing home decision
I am living this as we speak. My father died in March of 2007. My mother became bedridden in June 2007. I had hospice come in to assist, Home Health and Hospice to be exact, and they are wonderful. They actually have their own private nursing home-type facility in the next town over. With hospice, on an occasional basis and when a bed is available, they offer the caregiver a 5-day respite at their facility. After momma went for the first time she was offered a bed there and I immediately accepted. The facility is very small and only for the 3HC clientele, with only 12 private rooms divided into 2 sides - one side with 6 beds for the terminal clients and one side with 6 beds for "residential" clients. Momma was able to stay on the residential side for 7 months; however, her condition was "stable" and Medicare would no longer pay the fee. Momma came home after that and I have again been her primary caregiver since January of this year. She is contractured, bedridden, and rarely speaks or opens her eyes. I do have a sitter that works during the daytime hours M-F so that I can actually work, run errands when I need to, and get the kids to and from school because otherwise I cannot leave the house at all because momma cannot be left alone.

I feel blessed to have found this line of work not quite 6 years ago. I have a 4-1/2 year old and a 6 year old and momma to care for so working from home has been a lifesaver.

I, too, made the promise to momma that I would not "put" her in a nursing home and I will stand by that. It's all there is left that I can do for her. Not to mention, the fact that she owns a home and has income from my late father's investments, it would cost upwards of $6,000 per month to have her placed in one, and even though the estate could pay for that, I think it's ridiculous for the type of "care" most of the public places provide.

It's a tough decision to make - even tougher if there aren't funds available like there are in our case (thanks to my great daddy) to pay for the sitter to come in and assist. But when the sitter isn't here, the kids and I must be. For the most part they understand, but sometimes they really just want to go somewhere or to the park or to McDonalds and we just can't do it. It's a huge personal sacrifice for your entire family to make to keep a parent at home. The decision isn't always just personal, though. It can be financial, too.

You will make the right decision for whatever your situation is. Whatever you decide to do, just know that your parent respects you enough to make that decision for them and that they love you.

Best of luck to you honey... hugzzzzz
Making a humane decision about a pet.

My mom lives alone and is nearing retirement.  Although I live out of state, my sister is very close by and has a good relationship with my mom.  My mom is very close with her grandkids.  In the last 15 years my mom has been through immense family loss and in the last 5 years the sudden loss of 2 pets due to medical conditions.  She has a new cat and a dog (used to be mine but she was attached and wanted me to leave him behind for her).  He is a large dog, 10 years old, and having multiple medical problems.  He has a number of lumps and bumps, hip problems to the point where he has injections and won't walk on the kitchen floor any longer.  He does not indicate he is in pain other than his actions.  But I don't think he would wimper or cry as he is a very well behaved and trained dog.  My sister and I have been trying to talk to my mom about the possibility of making "the humane decision" for him or atleast preparing for it.  All she will say is that SHE is "not ready yet."  The vet has told her that his hip and spine problems are painful and that's what the shots are for.  Nothing can be corrected and the vet will not evaluation his lumps because of his age and other problems.  To further complicate the matter, he is a large dog.  I have tried to explain to her that should something happen with him in her home there is no one to help her get him into the car.  My BIL has recently had medical problems himself and is in no condition to be lifting a 100 lb dog off the floor.  I am sure we could call on a family friend but I know my mom and she wouldn't want to "bother" anyone.


My questions is...has anyone else been through this?  I don't want to convince my mom to do something she is not ready for but at the same time I don't want the dog to suffer either.  Any ideas of an unconventional approach to getting her to think of him and not herself?  I really feel she just doesn't want to feel any more loss and that is why she is holding on.


I agree with the school's decision..
I am not Catholic, but I would think that parents send their children to private religious schools precisely to keep them away from things such as this.