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Because you breed out of wedlock then that makes you a responsible person?

Posted By: Anna M on 2007-03-26
In Reply to: A single mother by choice does not make them a welfare - nm

Sorry, not where I come from. I am so glad I did not bring home (well years ago it just WAS NOT done) children. If a female got pregnant, sent away to an unwed mother home, most of the time the child given up for adoption. When I was growing up you did not pop out babies right and left without a husband. I have had more than my share of responsibility, been able to stand on my own 2 feet and provide really well for my family. I made the right decision for me and do not regret and have never looked back on my decisions.


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Fari is far but it makes a person sick though.
I have one living right behind me.  He was a HS basketball coach and had an affair with one of the students.  He bought the lot behind our house and built a huge 2-story Victorian 3000 sq ft and put it up for sale for 300K.  I don't know who will pay that much for a house here though.  He is living in it now.  I have seen the pictures of the inside on the internet and believe me, he is living better than I am.  My little 820 sq foot house right behind his looks like it may be the servant's quarters.  LOL. 
Do you feel it makes you a big person putting her down?
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Fabric softener makes towels softer, yes, but it also makes them less absorbent. sm
Which is, after all, the function of a towel, absorbency. :-)
breed? come on
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What breed?
Ears can be a source of odor. They need to be dried thoroughly after a bath with a drying ear solution. Floppy ears can have more problems than prick ears since they hold moisture.

Dogs with facial folds get food caught in there. These have to be wiped out daily with a moist cloth. Oily coated breeds have more odor than others. Labs and some other water retrieving breeds have the oily coats. Teeth can cause odors. If using a doggy enzyme toothpaste once a week doesn't improve it, probably time for a dental cleaning. This is expensive because the vet needs to do labs before giving anesthesia, and the labs nearly double the cost in older animals because they check more levels (going from memory). The most surprising odor causer to me was my CJ seemed to have odor from stomach acid reflux. Daily Pepcid AC fixed it.
A food with corn can cause stinky feet ("Frito-feet").

Did you remember to wash his dog bed or blankets or Febreze his favorite chair? Odors could be transferring back to him. One loose dog I brought home from the park one time was stinky, so I bathed him before taking him to the SPCA. After he was dry I picked up his collar and it was horribly stinky. Yuck!

Just some possibilities.


?what breed of dog? some
breeds are known for hearing sensitivity (border collies and healers). does your dog seem to be bothered by sirens or train horns? you could try cotton balls in their ears, maybe. just a thought.
It is not the breed.
Yes, Bostons do have a lot of energy, but just like any breed, they can be properly trained. I have a Boston and she is the best little dog. She does like to jump around a lot and loves affection, but all I have to do is tell her to sit and she will. If I tell her to, she will even stay in that spot until I tell her she can get up.

If they didn't even know if their dog was in heat or not, they don't sound like the greatest pet owners, and my bet is that these dogs have never had an ounce of proper training.

Don't blame the breed. They can be great dogs. I would definitely get another one in the future.
It is not the breed.
Yes, Bostons do have a lot of energy, but just like any breed, they can be properly trained. I have a Boston and she is the best little dog. She does like to jump around a lot and loves affection, but all I have to do is tell her to sit and she will. If I tell her to, she will even stay in that spot until I tell her she can get up.

If they didn't even know if their dog was in heat or not, they don't sound like the greatest pet owners, and my bet is that these dogs have never had an ounce of proper training.

Don't blame the breed. They can be great dogs. I would definitely get another one in the future.
Very true. Even if you like a certain breed, as I do (sm)
with my "Persian-habit", there are specific breed rescues out there for just about any breed you can imagine. I've adopted all my Persians as adult cats (who are often overlooked) from a local Persian rescue. Fancy bloodlines do not protect a cat from abuse, and sometimes I think it adds to the problem. Many of this rescues kitties come from kitten-mills that produce 'way too many kittens. Some grow up in squalid conditions (as my former Persian did... his breeder went to jail, and he was confiscated and sent to a rescue.) Sometimes even beautiful show-cats who have won in competition will end up dumped in the pound if they cannot be sold as pets afterward (again the problem with being an adult cat), or are no longer able to breed. How sad that a kitty can win a championship in the show ring, which certainly isn't any fun for them, with all the caging, baths and grooming, etc.)only to be dumped when the owner has no more use for them. My present kitty was purchased as a kitten by someone for (gasp- $3500 !! - oy VAY!)... and a year later she took her to a vet to be destroyed because she had a litter-box aversion problem. Can you believe that? Just thru chance, that vet had a client who worked for a rescue, and she came and saved the kitty, which is how I ended up with her. Granted, she was exasperating at first, as she would ONLY pee & poo on the FLOOR, not the litter box. But with lots of TLC, some time, (and crate-training like a dog), she is now a happy user of TWO litter boxes. (One for the pee, and one for the poo! haha).

You're right about the good dog vs bad dog & breeding comment, too. Look at pit bulls.... some of the nicest dogs I ever knew have been pits, but the type of person who usually is drawn to this breed often knows zip about socializing dogs, or else wants them as watchdogs, and of course, you read about what happens when things go wrong with these dogs every day. Where I live you now have to post a pretty hefty bond in order to be able to keep one within city limits, so of course in the poorer sections of town, that forces people to give them up. The pounds are OVERFLOWING with pits because they are now considered such a liability to own.

Too bad people don't have to attend some sort of a class, and pass a test, before being allowed to own an animal of ANY kind! And unless one has a license as a LEGIITIMATE breeder, I think spaying & neutering of ALL other pets should be mandatory.
I wish they would let the breed just phase out
that being the pit bull. There was an unprovoked attack on a man in our city a few weeks ago but 3 pits. He said glad not a child- could not have survived. He wound up in the hospital. I do not like them being put down per se, just wish each spayed and/or neutured and that would take care of everything. Too vicious to be around me, even the so called "sweet" ones.
Do any of you breed dogs?

My husband and I are debating this so I want the "real scoop"?  How much money do you make after you consider shots, care, etc.  How much work is it.  How much space do you need.  I want to know everything!


Yes, but if only 1 kid responsible, do you really think
the whole school would be given notice of being punished? Think about it. I am sure and anyone who does this type of work knows there are products out there to help a gaseous distention. My goodness. My DIA parapro here in Georgia and she tells me when her classroom children do things like this and she tells them to say excuse me - they tell her their parents don't mind. You all need to research this a little and I am sure you would be surprised as to whether medically related or attention getting actions.
You are not responsible for others
especially in an age group like this, just as you are not responsible for your parents. When you are grown, responsible for your own actions. Saying this did not have to happen- your life is written before you are born and no matter, that is already decided. This is the way it was supposed to be or never would have happened. I am not saying this is horrible situation but just the way these lives were supposed to start and if not this way, another way but I believe things are going to happen like your whole life is already planned out. Make plans but does not matter.
There are a lot of responsible and
a lot of irresponsible 15 year olds out there. In our state you can't get a license until you are at least16 and 3 months and then after driver's ed and behind the wheel. At 15 my son was definitely responsible enough. My daughter will be 15 in January and I don't know if I would say the same about her. You are the parent and you know your child and what they can and can't handle.
You are not responsible if he won't help himself (sm)
Tell him you think he needs to go to be observed a little while at the mental ward at the hospital. If he will not work and will not go get welfare, that is his problem, not yours. He should not expect you to take care of him if he won't even apply for welfare - anyone can fill out the paperwork for that, good grief. I think I would have to tell him off really well...or seriously tell him that since he won't do anything at all to take care of himself, he needs to go to a nursing home or mental hospital. Tell him you will have him committed.
be responsible and fix your cat.
nm
Maybe, but then you'll also breed mosquitoes.
We can't win!
They are so adorable! I love this breed so much, but I SM
know people who have one and she ran across the yard and got the neighbor by the foot after he got out of his car to go into his house!  They are feisty little dogs and cute as a button. I still love them. I used to live next door to a Chihuahua who would not let me out of my car, and when I got out it bit my foot. Our Chi is afraid of her own shadow and very sweet. The most she does at strangers is bark!  Just like people, I guess . . .  each one is different.
Ugh, I knew I butchered the breed name!
Kim, please accept my apologies for that.  My internet is saying connected for mere minutes at a time and I wanted to get her picture up as quickly as I could and with speed sometimes comes mistakes.  Forgive me! 
Again, it can happen with any breed. Look at pitbulls..
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Should we destroy a whole breed based ...sm
on what a few do wrong? Look at the Dalmation attacks, Alaskan Malamutes, Pomeranians, etc. Should we destroy these breeds too?


Senator Kennedy did not breed him -
Senator Kennedy's breeder of his two dogs bred him and when he could not stay with his original home, Senator Kennedy first took him in and then gave him to the girls.
Are you a night person or a morning person?
Just curious . . .
I adore that breed, too. I was talking to breeders SM
at a dog show about them. I think they are just beautiful!
What an adorable breed picture. They will give you all s/m
the love you handle and then some. I wish every animal in the world was treated so beautifully. Good love this little angel's heart.
Lucky, you! I am sorry I got the spelling of this gorgeous breed SM

wrong. I study dog breeds, know every one in the dog shows, etc. and then made that fo-pa.  Not intentional, I assure you.  They had the Pembroke and Cardigan. You would have loved it.


 


Yes. You must make a point to see this next year. It is so adorable and a change of pace for those of us who don't watch the football game. They have them on what looks like a football field with lots of toys and they are all running around, and they play a sound track in the bakground that sounds like fans cherring in the crowd! 


No matter how responsible you are
and how much time you spend with them, you cannot be there 24-7 to supervise them. That is completely unrealistic. Can we take them to the doctor, to the store, to the kids' school? Come on now.

There is a responsible way to crate an animal. No matter how much you train them, my labs still would have eaten anything in site for a certain period of time. There is no way I would leave them unattended to run my errands and chance them getting into something that could harm them. Regardless of the material objects as you call them, they could get hurt.

Also, a child does need a crib and a playpen. To say that those are used so that you do not have to supervise your kids is ridiculous. Everyone has to go to the restroom at some point. Should we carry them everywhere or perhaps let them run around so they can get into something that would harm them until we finish our business? Wow....

I believe a pediatrician would even tell you that those are necessary in raising a healthy child, and I am not talking about someone who puts their kids in a playpen all day instead of spending time with them either.
No, he is an adult and responsible for himself.
nm
Too bad some responsible adult...
could not get those kids. We have a celebutard, immature, crazy mother against a wanna be anything hanger on who is only interested in money...some role models! I hope there is money put away for the therapy those kids will need. The parents even give white trash a bad name!
sounds like you have a very responsible son!
that's awesome. He hasn't pushed the issue so I may just wait until he asks again. i also need to check the policy at school regarding boys wearing earrings.
no, it is not all a matter of responsible
ownership. There have been very loving responsible owners themselves attacked by their own dogs. A popular dog breed can be overbred indiscriminately and ruined. Unfortuntately this breed is too unpredictable. I've always been around animals, large and small and have both now. I would never have a pit bull. I visit my friend less often now who now has one, and won't get out of the car if it is loose. Not to mention that these dogs don't just bite, which would be bad enough, they instinctively go for the kill. I haven't read the link you provided yet, but do NOT believe that breed-specific legislation is stupid. This particular bill may be over the top, but breed-specific laws are brought on by a need, and wouldn't get off the ground without plenty of facts on record to support it.
A responsible owner would never allow...sm
Their pitbull to wander around public. That is why we have attacks. Owners should be responsible and keep them as well as any dog in a fenced in yard. Or if out in public on a leash. Mine will never be wandering around in public on its own. That is totally irresponsible. If I saw a pitbull out in public I would be cautious myself.
Dear Responsible
I think responsible and owner of pitbull somehow just does not go together.
The owners who are not responsible are ...sm
the problem. I would be mad too if I went out and was approached by a pit bull who growled at me, and I own a pitbull. He should be kept in his owners yard or home. No dog, pit or otherwise, should be allowed to roam around the neighborhood.
I fully understand you being furious. I would be too.

You are not responsible for any loonies out there
By having feedback like I got from this site, gave me an understanding of how to approach this sorta awkward situation. You just have people out there that seem to thrive on what they perceive to be right and what is the actual truth.
You can read people's breed reviews at this site.
http://www.hoflin.com/BR/BreedReviewsIndex
Years ago had a mixed breed (1/2 pit) and he was allergic to the carpet! sm
We tried everything and finally had to put in outside. My husband built this beautiful kennel for him. He actually thrived outside! I missed having him to snuggle with, but seeing how his health improved outside it was the best for him.
Good for you! This one looks a little like the breed of dog, Brussels Griffon in the face!!! NM
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Yes. Make your teenager responsible for as much as she can pay for.
and maybe a little more. Don't make it easy. Make sure that she has to work a little (not so much that grades suffers), has to budget, and plan and take the responsibility of driving seriously. This is more than likely the most dangerous thing your child has done so far her life. Make sure she understands that. It's not a social thing, a drive-around-with-your-friends thing. Preparing a young person for driving responsibilities is life and death.
Unfortunately, in the last three yeas, I've been to three funerals for teenage drivers -- all of whom were out of control in every aspect of their lives. Our state does not allow children to become licensed drivers until age 16-1/2. Our house rule was age 17. We did pay for the driver's ed, because it was pricey, our sons truly could not afford it, and we wanted our boys to have ever chance to learn to drive safely. Even though we taught them ourselves, as well, sometimes kids hear better what total strangers say to them! Also, I had a rule during permit driving sessions with my boys. They were never allowed to argue with me while we drove together. I was the teacher. I knew more than them. No arguing over anything, or else I terminated the lesson, car was pulled over, I drove home and that was the end until I felt we were ready for another driving lesson. That rule drove home how serious a responsibility driving is. I only had to do it once to one of my sons.
My oldest was lucky enough to inherit is grandfather's pristine 1991 Toyota (38,000 original miles) when pop-pop no longer could drive. It's a decent, dependable car. My son pays for repairs and gas. We pay for the insurance at this point, simply because we live in a big eastern city, and insurance is sky high. But, our son is also paying his own college tuition, so I have no problem helping him out with the insurance on his car.
This is a big deal. Make sure your daughter grasps the gravity of the responsibility. Don't argue with her about anything. These decisions have to be made by the parents, because it's a health and safety issue for your daughter and everyone else on the road with her.
Make him responsible for the decision
If he wants to switch schools and give up the scholarship, tell him he has to get the funding to do it. I had to do the same thing with my daughter. She gave up a good scholarship at a great private school for pharmacy because she wanted to come back closer to home to be around her boyfriend. She ended up having to take out the loans to pay for it.

There is nothing written in stone that says we have to pay for our children's educations. It is nice if you can help as a parent, but I think kids learn much more if they have some of their own resources invested.
Dear Ms Thinks she is responsible
Truely funny how pitbull owners go on the defensive with what other dogs do. I am sure animal control knows how to be around and handle but even these people are attacked by these dogs. I rescue animals (not these as I want no responsibility for their acting out)but where I rescue these dogs are not adopted out, just put down. Even the people who are in the "know" so to speak do not want to be responsible.
YOU are not responsible for his debts, HIS ESTATE is....
You should read the posts better.

Was your brother your stepbrother and your mother your stepmother?

Therefore you did not care to help in locating your stepnephew/niece, so that they can get their shares?
No, you can not be held responsible for their bill -
nm
You shouldn't feel responsible....

As mean as it sounds, you have put up with it and YOU have decided for yourself that enough is enough and if you tell him so and IF he bounces back to alcoholism, then basically he is a grown man and that is HIS choice, you cannot let it affect you or make you feel responsible.


My sister-in-law is in the same boat as far as her husband being an alcoholic.  It has put so much stress on her and their children and it has been going on about 15 years.  He won't seek help though and she won't leave him.  She just says that she is hoping one day he wakes up and sees what a good wife she is.  I feel bad for her that she has wasted so much time on someone like that.


You are only responsible for changing your behavior, not someone elses
I am the product of a divorce years and years ago and thank goodness my mother had enough sense to not stay with my father. He was actually caught running around on her with other women. I knew my father growing up, spent time with he and my stepmom, loved her but I missed absolutely nothing by not having him in my house every day. You are responsible for your own self-. The advice you are giving is like saying a man messes around on a woman, drinks too much and maybe after the marriage he will change. You can only make yourself happy, no one else can do that for you. I have never had a time when I could not stand my husband, never and I would believe he probably feels the same. We laugh when others say they have to work at marriage- we just do not get this. Like I said, product of divorce, happily married myself, never missed my father, saw him but never, ever close in my life. By the way, I am one of the older and wiser group also.
I completely believe Howard Stern is responsible for both Daniel
much for it just to be overdoses in two cases.  I don't buy it.
I see where you are coming from because I would be nagged by guilt and feeling responsible
for the problem.  I have those tendencies too.  No way should you cash your IRA for a car. 
O talks about our government being fiscally responsible and his wife is wearing $500 designer shoes.
It's not "her money to spend as she pleases."  It's my money, your money, his money, her money.  O better put up or shut up and that means his family too.  No more big talk about the deficit, fiscal responsbility, and redistribution of wealth when when his wife is walking around in designer duds.  Am I the only person that sees hypocrisy in that?
It probably varies from person to person (sm)

With me, first child I was out of the bed seriously within 5 minutes of having him.  I didn't tear or have to be cut, he was 7 pounds, 3 ounces.  The doctor did some type of vaginal massage on me though while I was in labor and that was supposed to help loosen the vaginal wall?


Second child, same experience.  She was 8 pounds, 1 ounce and within 5 minutes of having her, while they took her to the nursery to get cleaned up and all, I walked downstairs with my husband to the cafeteria to get a drink and stretch my legs.  I had already put my regular clothes back on as well.  My doctor who delivered her was walking in my room as I was walking in and he was stunned a second and said he thought I was a visitor, LOL, not the patient.


I don't think you have to have bed rest in normal cases.  With my son I went home within 24 hours with him and with my daughter we went home in only 20 hours.


this makes me sad...

Life is too short to be unhappy.  If you don't love your husband and are not attracted to him anymore, then why don't you leave him? I can't imagine why people (both men and women) stay in a bad, unhappy marriage.  It can't be worth the effort. 


Thankfully, I am very happily married (though of course, we do have our bad times...) and can't imagine my life without my husband.  But at the same time, I can't imagine being miserably married either. 


You need to search your heart and really figure out how you feel about your husband.  Good luck!


makes me sad, too. nm
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