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operative report vs procedure

Posted By: confused on 2006-02-20
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I used to think I understood the difference between these two types of reports (operative versus procedure). Somehwere along that way, amidst dozens and dozens of account profile specifications, technology advances and MDs who always key in the OP code regardless of report type, I am not so sure anymore. I would like to try to elicit a consensus on how transcriptionists distinguish between these two report types and what criteria they are using to do this?


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Operative report question...curious...

What is the most popular or should I say proper way of setting up a heading for an operative report, order, spaces, tabs etc?  I know the doctor's way is always right but some doctors do not give enough information and some give too much.  Just wondering if you tab over diagnosis and align or place list under headings.  And spaces after each heading.


DATE OF PROCEDURE:


 


PREOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:


 


POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSIS:


 


PROCEDURE PERFORMED:


 


SURGEON:


 


ASSISTANT:


 


COMPLICATIONS:


ESTIMATED BLOOD LOSS:


 


FINDINGS:


 


PROCEDURE IN DETAIL: 


 


 


Softext MT CD of Operative Report Samples

Has anyone heard anything about this CD?  I found it on ebay.  It has over 1000 multispecialty operative sample reports.  It's called: Softext Medical Transcription CD of Report Samples.   eBay Listing: 180302333955. 


Sounds like it could be a really good reference.  Just wondering.


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Pay attention: Facelift was not done but he dictated an operative report for it.
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Operative Notes
Does anyone receive higher pay for doing only operative notes? I am just wondering because my account paid last because it was ER reports but now I am doing almost all operative reports. Thanks for the info!
Can any of you MTs who type operative reports tell me
what are some good websites to look for spellings of surgical terminology, instruments, equipment, etc.?  Much appreciated!!!
All and any Operative Reports! Love em!. sm
Including Cardiothoracic and cardiac caths.
Operative Note websites

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew of any good websites for medical equipment and/or websites to help with Op notes.  Much appreciated!! 


Operative word here is "should"

We all know they should, but my point was most won't. But then again, I do remember instances where it was addressed with some of the worst ones, and they improved for a while and back to the same thing.  One radiologist everybody hated typing had a very thick Latin accent, and I ran into him on the elevator and he asked me if I type his dictation, to which I replied in the affirmative, and he said, "Good luck to you, brave lady"!!!!!  Then he would have the audacity to complain to our supervisor that we left too many blanks, that he says the same thing every time, why do we leave blanks!  The nerve!  She did tell him that he was difficult to understand, but do you think he changed?  No.  One of the reasons we could not understand a lot is because he would turn the x-ray films as he was dictating, which would be very noisy, and then he would have the machine on speaker and turn his head from side to side as he'd dictate.  Nice!  But did he stop after being told this?  No.  Nuf said, really.  Just one tiny example. 


"Wife" is the operative word sm
They have no clue what we go through and they are cheaper than their husbands. IMHO they should stay home!
Mastectomy operative reports
Does anybody out there have mastectomy operative reports that I can use as samples? Or can anyone direct me to a surgery site that would have this type of report?
Sample operative reports
This is a good one. MT Daily has sample reports. Another one is mt-stuff.com. These are just two good ones. I have done Ops for 30 years and if you need help, let me know. Hope this helps.
Someone left out the operative reports
those are certainly considered in the 4, not ERs.
Same here, I like operative notes, but rarely get them, by the end of the day (see inside)
I am fuming. I make more money on operative notes and am motivated. Discharge summaries are hard to make money on for me, as they are all different.

I am actively looking for another job. I am not one to job hop. I just cant see feeling like this all day long. Good luck.
there is good and bad in every procedure--sm
I suppose and everybodies experience is different. If you decide to do it, I wish you all the best. Keep an eye on those cells. My father died of cancer that began with esophageal cancer, two years ago. Both my brother and I have reflux problems, as well, so I do worry about it. Good luck to you in your decision.
Any MTs around that have had the LASIK procedure and how are you doing?

Please post a response


What does elective procedure got ....
nm
Very simple procedure
Download your voice files from the email to directory (folder) on your hard drive (usually should create special one just for this) you know you will always use for docking these recordings. Then open ES and click on the Load square at top of program. This will open the directories on your computer. Go find the one where you just downloaded the email recordings to, click on the one you want to bring into ES (one by one or batch). Then click the "load" key at the bottom of that screen and you should see them coming into the ES window. Takes a while for them to install if they're long. It's only complicated the first time!
I totally agree. Operative notes are more complicated and should be
paid at a higher rate. I know it takes me longer to do them because so many different surgical pieces of equipment can be used etc.  Anatomy has never been a problem but mainly the different surgical equipment items. I would love to find a job that offered me more. I just dont know where they are.  
not painful and very quick procedure but...sm
But......a person needs multiple sessions and that's where it gets very expensive.  The plastic surgeons I work for did it and the one who does not own the practice charged me 50%.  I went twice and didn't go back and yes, the chin hairs recurred.  It is nonpainful and fast procedure FYI.
The prep is worse than the procedure, believe me. nm
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Anyone familiar with Spark procedure ...
relating to bladder suspension?  Can't find on internet.
well, i've hesitated having a procedure done
in large part due to the economy. Probably there are a lot of people that are holding off on elective surgeries along with other unessential spending....
You do not need the 1099. You just need to report the income. Report the company/person ...sm
to the IRS for not sending out the 1099. 
Why do so many people LOVE operative notes? I see posts about it all the time...
how they make good money on them, they could do them all day, feel cheated when they don't get them? I have been doing this for years and years and still kind of groan when I see them come up on my screen. Fill me on the secrets and maybe I won't whine so much when I do them. Thanks gal!
s/l two 4 x 4’s peripad and mesh panties.......PPH procedure
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prep worse than very easy procedure....nm

Read the policy and procedure manual, maybe something is in there.
I do not believe there is a law, but you could check with the labor department.
Sorry, you said Edit Script - think same procedure applies though.
I think the same thing applies, go find where you downloaded it and click on the setup file. All programs will not self-install. If I remember correctly you have to find the install or setup file to start it manually. Sorry for the mix up in programs. Good Luck again.
Yep - nearly always start their para's w/ capped heading of procedure to be described.
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Do you give a discount for standard procedure notes? SM

I have an account who asked me to provide them with a form that could use for standard outpatient procedure notes.  I personally feel that there are too many variations for them to use one paper form and offered for me to do it for them at a discount since almost the entire thing would be a standard that I don't have to type in its entirety.  This account is a great account and I figured it isn't a big deal say to chage 25 cents instead of a $1 (example) for the form since I only have to type a couple letters to pull up the form and insert any changes.


I really don't know the easiest way to keep track of this discount or what amount to discount.  Any ideas?  I'd rather see me getting a small amount for doing the form then to get nothing for them using a paper form.  Plus, the account is newer to me and I thought it might look like a plus for me to offer them a discount and to make their life easier by not having to dictate the entire note.


Thoughts...ideas???  TIA


 


 


it is SPARC sling bladder suspension procedure. nm
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not sure about Neer procedure, but this is a great site for samples...
http://www.mtsamples.com/index.asp

-----I have not personally checked all the reports here but the site seems reliable...

Did you try to Google Neer procedure/impingement, etc?
I charge the same amount for a "normal" report as for any other report.
You still have to listen to the dictation and change anything that's different.  I had one woman try to pull this on me.  She'd dictate, "Just pull up my normal, but change this, change that, switch that around, move that, add this, delete that, and change the other."  Then she'd only want to pay me what equated to $.03 per line.  She wanted 1:1 on her dictation to transcription ratios.  I told her to take her cheap account down the road because I'm worth more than that.
Does anyone know of a good site to find sample op/procedure reports
I have found very few sites that have sample op reports.  Anything would be appreciated.  Thanks
That's funny, I *love* ER's. Also Ops, procedure notes. Can't stand anything LONGGGGGGGG. n
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Could you post the entire sentence? Is "parogy material" something used in the procedure or
something encountered during the procedure?
Ridiculous. It's not a medication or a procedure she's questioning. This is a moral issue.
She is way out of line to question transcribing that. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Acute care work is operative reports, consultations, H&Ps, emergency room, DS basically the type of
dictation found in a hospital setting as opposed to a clinic setting in which you just type office notes and minor procedures.
Oh, a report just came in. A report actually just slid in, can you believe it. Hip Hip Hooray. I

had better get that sucker typed before it gets out of ONE MINUTE TAT.


If you are careful with putting the correct report in the correct report shell and patient, you will
not have any problems. I only take away this option when someone is careless. There can be NO room for error on this. One mistake can be very serious. Many do it well though, so just double check and you will be fine.

Yes...Every Report
I have to admit, I proofread EVERY SINGLE REPORT. But I always have gone for overkill, and I am new. My one and only QA score was 98%. While I am proofreading (long reports), I sometimes stand up and stretch, or run and grab a snack or lunch so I don't feel like it is so much a waste of time. I suppose I will have to get to the point where I don't proofread every report, or I will never make any money! I may have to rethink my strategy if and when MQ increases their line quota for part time employees. Rumor has it at 8,000 lines per pay period, and I am only managing 6,000 and working long hours just to do that. Got to figure SOME way to speed up!
report
I get paid per report, $1.30, includes all accessions/requisitions -
for instance in one report if doc says this is an MRI of the Head, neck and 3d multiplanar I get 1.3 for each. I use Shorthand and I have eight years experience. I do anywhere from 80-120 reports a day.
There was a report in AL, I think, that there was

a live alligator swimming around the flood waters there in one area. The newscaster kept saying it was live and nobody would come out and was avoiding that area until it disappeared. It's probably waiting somewhere quietly for its next dinner to walk by.


Two of my accounts are in New Orleans and I have typed hundreds of patients with abscesses that tested positive for MRSA over the last few months. The way the city is now cannot be helping this at all. A few of the docs I do are automatically  treating for MRSA now w/o getting the culture report just because they've seen so many cases.


right! Fox would report a


That would be real news there.


No, the woman bought a LOUIS VUITTON with the money she got


(debit card).


 


ONE report probably
so they will need to add more MT's...LOL! I feel for all of you.
Per Report
The highest I have heard of anyone paying per report is $2 with most paying less than that. Hope that helps.
Pay by report?

Hi, all:  I've been getting my own small clients here and there, and I've had a request for a proposal to radiology reports for a small radiology group.  Their current vendor is charging them by report, not line.  Anyone have any idea what to charge by report?  I've done some calculating with regard to average lines per report, and I'm thinking of offering to do it for $3 per report.  Any idea if this is too high or too low???  Any input is appreciated........


 


Per report

Working as an IC you should be charging $2 per report, that is what I charge my clients.  Good Luck!!!


I saw a report that said . . .
Heart rate 80 permanent. Do ya think he said per minute?
Report changes
Has anyone ever had someone go in and change your reports?  I don't mean change a small word or the wording of a sentence.  I am talking about taking out information and putting in information that the doctor did not dictate, making the report incorrect for the patient's records?  I found this happening to my work and need information on the legal ramifications, as well as how to handle this. 
report changes

I work at home for a service, but not as an IC.  I found work changed by having a temporary copy on file - then the QA changes/corrections - and then relistened and found changes made that affected the whole report, different medications, different procedures and PMH, etc.  Information that will probably one day go on to another physician that is incorrect and that I did not transcribe, but with my initials on the report.  Of course, I realize that once the physician signs it that the liability is on him, but it's just inconceivable that someone would do this.  I saw this happen one other time when I worked in house and one Transcriptionist didn't like another one and this was done in order to try and get the disliked employee fired.  However, it did not involve my work then.  I keep thinking that MTs all think ethically and with a legal obligation to the patient, but I know in reality that to some it is just a job.  I am tetering on talking to the company and/or the account manager, especially since I have everything in black and white - the first report - the QA corrections - the changes to the report after it came back to me, etc.  I'm just looking for some guidance on how to handle the situation.