"Scary." "Totally whacked." "What is she...

SMOKING (Or drinking?)"

Did I forget any of the personal insults directed at me?

All I said was "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched."

If January 20, 2009 comes and goes without a "terra attack" and if the new President is sworn in without incident, then all the chickens will be "hatched."

However, if none of the above happens, then there's one egg that hasn't hatched, and it's likely to be very ROTTEN. 

Regarding your personal insults, they weren't necessary, and they were just plain rude and totally inaccurate.  However, if you choose to think so wrongly about ME (someone you don't know and have never met), then that gives me a pretty good handle on your the accuracy expressed in your other posts. 

Have a great evening. 

• Only 17 more days, and the evil - Bush regime will be history!
  • AND THE OLD CLINTON REGIME WILL BE - BACK WITH THEIR GARBAGE......NM
  • Don't count your chickens... - Marmann
    • Right on, Marnann!!! n/m - gourdpainter
    • What exactly are you implying, huh? - Some of you are scary.nm
      • Or - what exactly is she SMOKING? (Or drinking?) - Her reply was totally whacked.
        • "Scary." "Totally whacked." "What is she... - Marmann
  • No. "Evil" is Saddam. "Evil" is Hamas. - Not a fair statement.nm
    • "Evil" is George Bush, Wall Street, the Banks, - oil industry, tobacco industry, healthcare industr
      • and brezinski, ayers, obama, and - all those other associations he is tied to
        • Only in the minds of the deluded partisans - sm
          • Smears, name calling and - sm
          • Right from the mouth of an Obot. - sm
    • Evil is arming Saddam and backing a war against - sm
      • And evil is joking about the WMD - maxine
    • *Evil* is also Hitler....(sm) - Just the big bad
      • Okay I did that - see message - c'mon
        • comparison...(sm) - Just the big bad
          • JTBB - I knew you'd try this - c'mon
    • I agree - not fair - c'mon
      • Exactly! Thanks for being common sense - nm
  • Whatever you feel, this post is really - disgusting. Try living in Russia.nm
    • Don't blame you for not attaching a message - to this irrevelant drivel.
      • Same thing Bush has to do with the price of eggs. - c'mon
        • This is what passes for clarification in W's 22% fan club? - sm
          • Great post! - Marmann
          • No, the "hatched job" on the constitution is already - being performed by O and his crook friends.nm
            • Might as well be hatcheted -- ever notice that according to it, - women STILL don't have 100% equal rights?
            • Looks like that logic thingy is way above your head. - sm
            • HATCHET JOB, that is. By the way, look at the - hatchet job the dems did to the economy.thanks.nm
              • The economy was ruined by corporate greed, stock - market greed, and a Pres. who helped enable it.
              • It's pretty apparent that the only thing - sm
      • You would not have a clue.nm - nm
        • Right, ignorance is bliss for some. - They only learn when it is too late.nm
  • And the inexperienced - mtme
    • You must have forgotten that W had only - jj
    • I'm waiting for racist wife Michelle to stick her foot in her mouth.... - bet we hear that soon, too.
      • She and her husband are both racists. -am so sick - of them -fakes..nm
        • My oh my. Aren't we the bitter little bigot? - jj
          • nope, y'all are sore democrat winners. Obamas are proven bigots and - racists..whether you believe it or not.
            • Racists and bigots like, lets see, McCain and Palin, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter and Hannity? - oh pleeze
      • Hey, the rumor mill is back!! (sm) - Just the big bad
        • All the DEMOCRATS that voted with Bush for war - will be going to jail too, then.nm
        • That's a real knee-slapper. Thanks for the chuckles. - nm
      • You probably lose more bets than GOP lost offices in this last election. - (sm)
        • Republicans will rise from the ashes of the Obama years....waiting patiently. - of that there is no doubt.
          • ROFL - nm
            • ROFL squared. It will take more than 8 years - jj
            • Love those rug burns...keep rolling - .
              • Could you please define "rub burn" so that - sm
  • ...and on the flip side...we will soon see...sm - ....
    • So your political acumen is based on - sm
      • "Change"..the fairy tale. I certainly dont believe - in that. More like a bad dream.nm

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I've only got ONE voice in my head telling me what to do.  My guess is that you only have one, too, gt.  And Dixie Dew???  When was the last time she posted on here?  (Would like to see her return, though.)  And who is DeeDee?  (I haven't been coming here that long.  Is she another poster I've missed?)

LOL.  They're spinning so fast on this board, they're gonna self-destruct right before our eyes!  Gonna make some popcorn and watch.  I'll share.  Do you like yours buttered? 

"What are we to do?"  How about drilling for our own oil?  Allowing us to use nuclear energy?

to Know Best?

What Reason Do we Have to Trust the State to Know Best?

Christopher Hitchens

Although I am named in this suit in my own behalf, I am motivated to join it by concerns well beyond my own. I have been frankly appalled by the discrepant and contradictory positions taken by the Administration in this matter. First, the entire existence of the NSA's monitoring was a secret, and its very disclosure denounced as a threat to national security.

Then it was argued that Congress had already implicitly granted the power to conduct warrantless surveillance on the territory of the United States, which seemed to make the reason for the original secrecy more rather than less mysterious. (I think we may take it for granted that our deadly enemies understand that their communications may be intercepted.)

It now appears that Congress may have granted this authority, but without quite knowing that it had, and certainly without knowing the extent of it.

This makes it critically important that we establish an understood line, and test the cases in which it may or may not be crossed.

Let me give a very direct instance of what I mean. We have recently learned that the NSA used law enforcement agencies to track members of a pacifist organisation in Baltimore. This is, first of all, an appalling abuse of state power and an unjustified invasion of privacy, uncovered by any definition of national security however expansive. It is, no less importantly, a stupid diversion of scarce resources from the real target. It is a certainty that if all the facts were known we would become aware of many more such cases of misconduct and waste.

We are, in essence, being asked to trust the state to know best. What reason do we have for such confidence? The agencies entrusted with our protection have repeatedly been shown, before and after the fall of 2001, to be conspicuous for their incompetence and venality. No serious reform of these institutions has been undertaken or even proposed: Mr George Tenet (whose underlings have generated leaks designed to sabotage the Administration's own policy of regime-change in Iraq, and whose immense and unconstitutionally secret budget could not finance the infiltration of a group which John Walker Lindh could join with ease) was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

I believe the President when he says that this will be a very long war, and insofar as a mere civilian may say so, I consider myself enlisted in it. But this consideration in itself makes it imperative that we not take panic or emergency measures in the short term, and then permit them to become institutionalised. I need hardly add that wire-tapping is only one of the many areas in which this holds true.

The better the ostensible justification for an infringement upon domestic liberty, the more suspicious one ought to be of it. We are hardly likely to be told that the government would feel less encumbered if it could dispense with the Bill of Rights. But a power or a right, once relinquished to one administration for one reason, will unfailingly be exploited by successor administrations, for quite other reasons. It is therefore of the first importance that we demarcate, clearly and immediately, the areas in which our government may or may not treat us as potential enemies.