This is what passes for clarification in W's 22% fan club?
Posted By: sm on 2009-01-03
In Reply to: Same thing Bush has to do with the price of eggs. - c'mon
That apples and oranges line of thinking does not compute (life in the US, Russia or Cuba). My brain cells do not connect along those same pathways. Let's try some logic.
Since we don't know what it going to be like (your words, not mine) under O, one can only speculate. Knock yourself out on that one. I'm not into that. Bush, however, has had his debut, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th acts. The curtain is coming down and we have concrete evidence on which to base our individual takes on his regime. There is reliable data available (approval ratings, whose better off now than in 2000, the state of our economy, our standing in the world, etc) which suggests that for many of us, W has managed to single-handedly turn our country into something we can barely recognize. The hatchet job he and his buddies did early on with the Constitution is all the evidence I need to feel justified in my absolute contempt for the man and his legacy, not to mention the fact that pretty much nothing he has done has even begun to address the problems we face with terrorism on the international front and the economy, health care, the environment, etc on the home front. The decider to some, the destroyer to others.
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Sam has her own fan club!
Ha ha to the "Sam haters!"
It's really something to watch how the lib media just doesn't know what to do with a woman who gave birth 5 times, still looks hot, can dress a moose, run a state, and basically laugh at their elitism. They never will get it, ya know?
Oh please:) The only thing the MSM media passes on...
...and has for six years is the blatant incompetence and fascist strongarm tactics of this admin. and its Hoover/Hitler protege Rove. He has pundits and talking heads and newspeople all over America in a suffocating death grip - they don't dare make a peep about anything but the NeoCon talking points handed out by Karl each day.
The reason you're hearing so much about DeLay in a bad light right now is because the WH doesn't much like him by all accounts, so it's open season on the lap dog, so long as the newscasters don't step off the white line and start insulting the WH itself.
No, we don't give passes on things like this. nm
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Fair Pay Act passes in House
Bet SP and Coulter have their drawers in an uproar of this one.
House passes Obama
The stimulus package passed by a vote of 244-188. Eleven Democrats voted against the measure, while no Republicans supported it.
Maine Passes Gay Marriage Law
AUGUSTA – Gov. John E. Baldacci today signed into law LD 1020, An Act to End Discrimination in Civil Marriage and Affirm Religious Freedom.
“I have followed closely the debate on this issue. I have listened to both sides, as they have presented their arguments during the public hearing and on the floor of the Maine Senate and the House of Representatives. I have read many of the notes and letters sent to my office, and I have weighed my decision carefully,” Baldacci said in a release. “I did not come to this decision lightly or in haste.”
“I appreciate the tone brought to this debate by both sides of the issue,” Baldacci said. “This is an emotional issue that touches deeply many of our most important ideals and traditions. There are good, earnest and honest people on both sides of the question.”
“In the past, I opposed gay marriage while supporting the idea of civil unions,” Baldacci said. “I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage.”
“Article I in the Maine Constitution states that ‘no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor be denied the equal protection of the laws, nor be denied the enjoyment of that person’s civil rights or be discriminated against.’”
“This new law does not force any religion to recognize a marriage that falls outside of its beliefs. It does not require the church to perform any ceremony with which it disagrees. Instead, it reaffirms the separation of Church and State,” Baldacci said.
“It guarantees that Maine citizens will be treated equally under Maine’s civil marriage laws, and that is the responsibility of government.”
Clarification. sm
I love all soldiers - my point was this lady's son was a career military man, I did not mean by my reference to "buck" soldiers that they are of less importance in anyway. O'Reily kept egging it on and finally asked this grieving mother if she had visited M. Moore's webside, to which she replied "I WILL NOW". LOL.
Thanks for the clarification
so a whole bunch of libs got together and google-bombed failure and miserable failure to alter the search engine results, and that's supposed to be impressive? All I can say is people who do this seriously need a life and/or a job.
Clarification.
I meant the part about cutting and running part when I said from your keyboard to God's ear. You can call it whatever you like as long as it gets US out of there.
Clarification
By you guys I mean you and the other conservative posters who have done the bulk of the posting on the liberal board in the past few days. I probably should have been clearer on that.
You do have a point about my posts and in some ways I would agree. However, as stated, it is not worth perseverating over and restating the same points repeatedly, as I have stated.
In the same league and someone's equal would be very close in meaning the very same thing. They would pretty much be definitions for each other. Look it up if you disagree.
Clarification
I am the OP here, and just want to clarify. I meant no harm posting this and I am sorry if I offended anyone. I don't like getting bashed for making a statement either. I didn't make any other comments about the two men. It's just one of those things, being an MT, I have always noticed the way words or letters go together. It was something that I saw, and I just thought it was really weird. I just wondered if anyone else had made that connection, since we are all in this business together.
Now go on and flame me, I could care less. You all think I did it to bash Obama. I didn't. Take it for what it's worth. I just thought it was crazy weird. I NEVER compared him or put him in the same class as OSAMA. Just made an observation. Leave it at that.
Just a little clarification here....
Bush was not against SCHIP. That program is still in effect today. All he opposed was expanding it ever higher up the income ladder.
Clarification....(sm)
What religion does with politics is abuse of rights. Yes, they should have the right to worship and do whatever within the guidelines of the law, but when it gets to the point it is now where every time you turn around the govt has to worry about how the "religious community" will respond it is obvious that those "rights" have turned into a lobbying force.
It is illegal for a church or pastor with nonprofit status to endorse any candidate, and yet all through the presidential election the church down the street from me (as did a multitude of other churches) posted signs all over the place about how Obama is the anti-christ, etc, etc. Exactly where do those rights end?
Also it was evangelicans who initiated the campaign to pass prop 8 in California and did so with huge donations not only from individuals but from the church as well. In that case the "church" actually facilitated taking away rights from people. They didn't think twice about that, and actually rejoiced in their victory, but when it comes to their rights its a different story.
Thanks much for that clarification!
Would be nice if the government stopped using SS for other things, because per my yearly statement, the percentage that will be left by the time I retire as scheduled keeps going down.
The military is not a kid club. sm
Drinking age and fighting is an old and worn out reasoning. Besides, they get all the alcohol they want. What are we supposed to do with men and women who choose to join the military. Put it in writing that they will never have to go to war? And where was the left's outrage when Clinton sent men and women into his little skirmishes. I never heard a word then. Never saw one leftie holding a sign that said NO MORE MOGADISHUs. In fact, the left hardly even mentions it. Why is that exactly?
Is this the host of the 700 club?
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I believe him too, but it's "Country CLUB First" sm...
Seriously people. McCain is worth *100 million dollars,* is married to a beer heiress, and owns 9 homes. But you guys continue to insist that Obama is the elitist? ROFLMAO
W's 22% fan club strikes again.
Did you read the article? O was not mentioned once in it, but you do not hesitate to inject your O hate at every turn. Are you even capable of comment on the substance, or is your plan for the future to b*tch and moan for the net 4 years? If so, why would you expect anybody to take what you have to say seriously?
Why not try defending W's support of these decidedly un-American precepts? Oh, maybe because it's indefensible and the only thing you know how to do is lash out at somebody who had nothing to do with it? I think I got it.
Where did you go the club, out on Bankhead?
Any person with any sense knows how to pick and choose what section of town they go in. I doubt the black females in town are scared of you. I have traveled in both white and black communities and never faced what you talk about. When you assume you are usually wrong- probably in this case also for you. What a crock.
I agree this would be a good thing if it passes....
but she should move the ethics investigation to Harry Reid next:
REID'S LAST KNOWN NATIONAL MEDIA APPEARANCE: October 18th Trying To Explain His Ethical Issues. Sen. Reid: I bought a piece of land, sold it six years later. Everything was reported. It was all transparent. (CNN's Newsroom, 10/18/06)
[H]arry Reid Has Been Using Campaign Donations Instead Of His Personal Money To Pay Christmas Bonuses For The Support Staff At The Ritz-Carlton ... Federal Election Law Bars Candidates From Converting Political Donations For Personal Use. (John Solomon, Reid Used Campaign Money For Christmas Bonuses At Personal Condo, The Associated Press, 10/16/06)
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Collected A $1.1 Million Windfall On A Las Vegas Land Sale Even Though He Hadn't Personally Owned The Property For Three Years ... (John Solomon and Kathleen Hennessey, Reid Got $1 Million For Land He Hadn't Owned For 3 Years, The Associated Press, 10/11/06)
- Harry Reid, The Senate's Top Democrat, Makes Frequent Trips To His Home State Of Nevada. Over The Past Four Years, His Bills At Caesars Palace, Mandalay Bay And Other Las Vegas Establishments Have Totaled More Than $125,000 ... (Brody Mullins, Lawmakers Tap PAC Money To Pay Wide Array Of Bills, The Wall Street Journal, 11/2/06)
That would also be a good place to start.
The climate bill passes to the floor.
217-205 votes. God help us all if this passes. I'm so p!ssed right now I could literally scream. Obama is a joke of a president and I can't wait until I can vote against him again. God only knows what will be left of our country by that time though. And spare me the Kool-aid democratic rhetoric and the blame Bush tactics. This is Obama's administration doing this horrible crap that will cause more jobs loss and higher costs for all when a lot of us are already struggling to make ends meet. Obama is literally kicking us while we are down and all he can do is smile and be the big celeb while throwing parties, etc. Obama is a failure and he is taking this country down with him. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
tnx for clarification. I am finding myself
in a confusing new world. All these years I tried to look at others' point of view, but somewhere in there I feel like I have handed out all MY rights and might as well be rodney dangerfield getting no respect!
member of the sane club
I am a member of the sane hate shrub club, a member of the we know shrub lies about everything club and is destroying america and our standing in the world club.
Senate passes Children's Health Plan
WASHINGTON, Sept. 27 — The Senate gave final approval on Thursday to a health insurance bill for 10 million children, clearing the measure for President Bush, who said he would veto it.
The 67-29 vote followed a series of speeches by Republican senators supporting the bill and urging Mr. Bush to reconsider his veto threat.
Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas, one of 18 Republicans who voted for the bill, said the White House had shown “little if any willingness to come to the negotiating table.”
Republican opponents of the bill, like Senators Judd Gregg of New Hampshire and John Cornyn of Texas, said it would be a big step toward socialized medicine, would shift people from private insurance to a public program and would allow coverage for illegal immigrants and children in high-income families.
Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, said it was “intellectually dishonest” to make such “outlandish accusations.”
Mr. Bush has said the bill would move toward “government-run health care for every American.”
Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, said those fears were unfounded.
“What will move our country toward socialized medicine is not this bill, which focuses on poor children, but the lack of action to allow people in need to have access to private affordable health care,” Mr. Corker said.
The bill would expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program to cover nearly four million uninsured children, in addition to the 6.6 million already enrolled. It would provide $60 billion over the next five years, $35 billion more than the current spending and $30 billion more than the president proposed.
Mr. Bush has not shown a willingness to compromise. But he may come under pressure so from Republican lawmakers who do not like being portrayed as hostile to children’s interests.
Democrats have selected Graeme Frost, 12, of Baltimore, to deliver their Saturday radio address. He will appeal to the president to sign the bill.
On Monday, the Service Employees International Union will rally outside the White House, and children will deliver petitions urging approval of the bill.
The child health program was born in 1997 from collaboration between Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah.
On Thursday, Mr. Hatch said that “it pains me” that Mr. Bush has not worked with Congress to renew the program. Some people in the administration “have been slow to recognize the realities of the new Congress,” where Democrats have a majority, Mr. Hatch said.
The bill has support from AARP, the big lobby for older Americans; the American Medical Association; America’s Health Insurance Plans, the lobby for insurers; and governors from both parties.
In the House, the bill was approved on Tuesday, 265 to 159, with support from 45 Republicans. The House Republican whip, Roy Blunt of Missouri, said he was confident that the veto would be upheld. A two-thirds majority in both chambers would be needed to override the veto.
The bill would increase tobacco taxes, with the levy on cigarettes increasing to $1 a pack from the current 39 cents. It would require states to cover dental services for children and would increase coverage of mental health services in many states.
The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said: “Our Democratic colleagues have taken Schip hostage, and what they want in exchange is Republican support for government-run health care., courtesy of Washington .”
Not a slam, just a clarification. I post under sm here. sm
MT is his or her own person. Final post. DD.
Clarification...when one perceives attack I should say...
but then she views anything a conservative posts as an attack. Even when I tried to basically get along...and I did try. At least one of you on this board recognized that.
Have a good day, kam. :-)
But that's my point, the military HAS turned into a kid club...
For the most part. The recruiters prey on high school kids. Let's take a poll out there of how many of you were capable of making truly wise life-impacting decisions at age 17 and 18? I sure wasn't and my kids certainly weren't able to. Deciding on college, maybe. Deciding to party, most certainly. And the problem with the military is that it is advertised as a ticket to education and world-travel, the recruiters don't advertise it as a one-way ticket to an immoral war. And as you know, it is extremely hard to "quit" the military if there is a change of heart......
I'm a HATER, alright. I hate the ol' boy's club
Faith in God is not an exclusive country club.
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So did you get the complete roster when you joined the club?
Clarification...do not allow dissention to their point of view...nm
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Clarification...the investigator is personal friend of the man who was fired. nm
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Join the club - apparently I'm a 'bible-thumping christianist' lol
But you do have a good plan.
Let's all wait until after the damage is done before we try to inform ourselves about an issue.
Yeah. Real good plan.
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
Immediate Release
The Interfaith Alliance
September 22, 2005
Contact: Jon Niven or Don Parker 202.639.6370
House Passes Bill Allowing Government-Funded Religious Discrimination
Washington, September 22 – Today, The U.S. House of Representatives passed an amendment and a bill to allow government-funded religious discrimination
The School Readiness Act (H.R. 2123), a bipartisan bill to reauthorize the Head Start program, was passed 48-0 in committee. However, during floor debate Thursday, Rep. Charles Boustany Jr. (R-LA) added an amendment allowing Head Start providers to exercise religious discrimination in choosing teachers and volunteers. As a result, the final vote on the bill (231-184) was stripped of the unanimous, bipartisan support displayed in committee.
The Interfaith Alliance is very disappointed in the members of Congress who insist on reacting to one crisis by beginning another one, said the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of The Interfaith Alliance. The Boustany amendment is a prime example of political opportunists taking advantage of a national tragedy to institute policies that are unconstitutional and have been previously rejected by the Congress.
The Interfaith Alliance was joined by more than 50 organizations in opposition to the bill's passage if it contained the Boustany amendment. The National Head Start Association, which represents more than 2.5 million children and families, program staff and volunteers that comprise the Head Start and Early Head Start community, came out against the entire bill if the Boustany Amendment was attached saying:
In spite of its positive provisions, if HR 2123 contains a religious discrimination amendment, we must reluctantly oppose the bill.
This amendment will subsidize religious discrimination with tax dollars, turning back civil rights protections that currently apply to nearly 200,000 Head Start teachers and over 1.4 million parent volunteers.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the levees protecting religious liberty are being breached, and the wall between church and state is cracking, Gaddy said. If those in Congress who seek to repeal religious liberty safeguards are successful, thousands of children, teachers and parent volunteers who have dedicated themselves to this program could find themselves no longer welcome at religiously-affiliated Head Start programs because they are of a different faith than the sponsoring organization.
The Senate passed a similar bill, but without the Boustany amendment, so the House version will now go to a House-Senate conference committee. Members of The Interfaith Alliance will urge Senators to strip the bill of the Boustany amendment in conference.
Initiated in 1965 in the wake of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, Head Start has been widely recognized as one of the most successful government programs ever created. It has provided early childhood education and development programs that have helped millions of low-income families overcome inequities for more than forty years.
Senate Armed Services defies Bush; Passes its own terrorism tribunal bill.
Bush should be grateful for this (even though he will probably ignore it, as usual), as the day may come when HE faces charges as a war criminal, and he would demand and be entitled to the same due process under the law.
Senate Armed Services Committee defies Bush; Passes its own terrorism tribunal bill
09/14/2006 @ 3:41 pm
Filed by RAW STORY
The Senate Armed Services Committee defied President Bush today by passing its own terrorism tribunal bill to protect the rights of terror detainees.
Four of the 13 Republicans on the panel joined the 11 Democrats to pass their version of the measure, rejecting Bush's proposal to bar defendants from seeing classified evidence prosecutors may want to use in court, reports Bloomberg News.
The four Republicans acted against the White House today only a few hours after the president paid a rare visit to Capitol Hill in order to personally lobby House members to support his plan.
President Bush visited Capitol Hill Thursday where he conferred behind closed doors with House Republicans on legislation to give the government more power to spy on, imprison and interrogate terrorism suspects, reported the Associated Press earlier today.
Bush told reporters later at the White House that he would resist any bill that does not enable this program to go forward with legal clarity.
The bill passed by the Senate panel had been drafted by Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey O. Graham, and Chairman John Warner. Senator Susan M. Collins was the fourth Republican to vote for the bill.
Voting 15-9, the Senate Armed Services Committee approved the bill they said would provide suspects more legal rights than Bush wanted and resisted his attempt to more narrowly define the Geneva Conventions' standards for humane treatment of prisoners, reports Reuters.
Earlier today, former Secretary of State Colin Powell wrote a letter to Republican Senator John McCain (video link), supporting his opposition to the president's plan which would redefine the legal definitions in Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.
The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism, Powell wrote McCain. To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.
REPUBLICANS
John Warner (Virginia) Chairman
John McCain (Arizona) James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma) Pat Roberts (Kansas) Jeff Sessions (Alabama) Susan M. Collins (Maine) John Ensign (Nevada) James M. Talent (Missouri) Saxby Chambliss (Georgia) Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina) Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina) John Cornyn (Texas) John Thune (South Dakota)
DEMOCRATS
Carl Levin (Michigan) Ranking Member
Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts) Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia) Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut) Jack Reed (Rhode Island) Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii) Bill Nelson (Florida) E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska) Mark Dayton (Minnesota) Evan Bayh (Indiana) Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
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