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The bottom line is that the GOP estimates are way off, and they don't account for relief programs.

Once this is voted on and if it passes....we will all pay. Gas prices will go up. Obama himself said utility prices would skyrocket....not including all the prices of goods and services will go up. Will that not be a tax to everyone....not just the rich. It will also hurt an already hurting economy.

Common sense....you cannot tax just the rich for all the spending our governemt has done, is doing currently, and wants to do in the future. There aren't enough rich people to fund all of that. He campaigned on people making less than 250K would see no raise in taxes and yet dropped that number to 235K. Yet no one seems to be holding him accountable for that either. It isn't fearmongering to look at all the money that our government has spent during Bush's administration and now Obama's. It isn't fearmongering that our deficit keeps going up and will go higher. That is fact......not fearmongering.

I'm looking for a site where the administrator is neutral and ethical and doesn't threaten people with their ISP numbers.

As far as your posting here, that's your decision. I couldn't care less because I'm only staying on this board long enough to see if anyone else it appalling that an administrator would track ISP numbers of posters for telling the truth about their employer. Then I won't be coming back any more, to any of the boards here.

And thanks for finally being honest and saying it's your preference, instead of the disingenuous I'll leave. Are you happy now? type comments that I doubt anyone believed, anyway.

When are they ever going to start building the new World Trade Center?

Yesterday.

Thirty-nine years after the first concrete was poured into the first trench for the first telephone vault for the first trade center, carpenters built a 168-foot-long wooden trough in a gentle S curve through the south tower footprint at ground zero. From this sinuous sprout, Santiago Calatrava's PATH terminal and transportation hub will emerge.

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Carpenters prepared a wooden trough at the World Trade Center site Thursday.

Don't laugh; it's a milestone day, said Charles A. Gargano, vice chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site and is building the $2.21 billion terminal over the next four years.

Until now, milestones at ground zero have tended to be ceremonial.

There was not a hint of ceremony yesterday. Prince Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, were nowhere to be seen in the 70-foot-deep pit. The Freedom Tower cornerstone of July 4, 2004, sat hidden under a blue plywood box.

But anyone looking out from a PATH train screeching around the corner into the temporary World Trade Center station would have seen a crew from the Beaver Concrete Construction Company of Brooklyn.

They're finally doing something with this big hole, said Anthony Martelli, one of the workers, standing inside the newly completed trough. It's about time.

It was Mr. Martelli's first day back at ground zero since early 2002, after a six-month tour cleaning up debris and pulling out pieces of steel. Yesterday, he was building again - he and Paul Klein and Frank De Guida and Robert Manella and Tonino Sacino.

Starting at 7 a.m., they built a trough 18 inches high and 6 feet 3 inches wide out of thick wood planks. Cagelike frames of steel reinforcing bars, or rebar, will be set into the trough beginning today. Then concrete will be poured over the rebar.

That will form the footing of a seven-foot-high concrete retaining wall. The wall will hold about four feet of fill, on top of which ballast will be laid for a temporary PATH track, No. 6, alongside the future Platform D, the fourth and westernmost platform.

Currently, there are five tracks among three platforms, two of which occupy a corner of the south tower footprint, as they did in the original station. Platform D would take up more space in the south footprint and a tiny bit of the north footprint.

Once Platform D and Track No. 6 are usable, in early 2007, other tracks can be taken out of service temporarily to allow construction of the permanent terminal while commuters are traveling through the tubes to and from New Jersey.

The construction manager is a joint venture of Parsons Brinckerhoff, which counts the first New York City subway line among its earliest achievements, and the URS Corporation. A general contractor is to be chosen in the next few months.

Icanda was the contractor in 1966 when the first concrete was poured, at West and Cortlandt Streets. John M. Kyle, the chief engineer of the Port Authority, threw in a silver dollar, a 100-lire coin from Italy, a 5-franc coin from France and a British penny.

Asked about the absence of fanfare yesterday, Anthony R. Coscia, the chairman of the Port Authority, said: I think people have become so jaded by the inordinate amount of ceremonies that have occurred at that site - disproportionate to what's actually happened - that I didn't want to add to that. This is about actually building.

There is a potential snag, however. A lawsuit filed last month by the Coalition of 9/11 Families seeks to halt the project on the ground that it violates a federal law requiring that historic sites not be used for transportation projects unless there are no feasible or prudent alternatives.

Anthony Gardner, one of the plaintiffs, whose brother was killed on 9/11, said the authority had never justified the need for Platform D.

Our focus has always been to ensure the maximum preservation and access to the remains of the footprints for the American people and future visitors to the site, Mr. Gardner said yesterday.

The Port Authority and the Federal Transit Administration have yet to answer the complaint, he said. A spokesman for the authority said it would not discuss pending litigation.

But Steven Plate, deputy director of the priority capital programs department, did talk about the authority's sense of stewardship as he inspected the site, pointing out that the tower footprints had been covered by polyethylene liners and 12 inches of stone fill to protect them during construction. We're very committed, personally and professionally, to preserving the site, he said. Eighty-four of our own perished here.

I don't want to sound melodramatic, but there is no monopoly on caring for the site. This is the Port Authority's home.

Just because people do not believe or think the way you do about Obama does not automatically mean they have some underlying dark secret for hating him. I voted for Obama, but that doesn't mean I hate McCain. I simply do not agree with his policies or his record. I think you are just waiting for someone to say anything on here that you can misconstrue into some kind of racial argument. The fact that YOU are the one bringing this up speaks much louder than your question ever could.

the truth, maybe more of us would like him. It's hard to like someone you can't believe or trust.

And he USED that tragedy, and on the blood of every victim of 9/11, he led us into HIS war against Iraq. He fooled everyone, not only Americans in general but also Congress, who believed him.

What if there really WAS a threat to this country tomorrow? What would happen if he wanted to invade another country based on his "word" that we were in imminent danger? Who would believe him? I doubt he'd be able to fool Congress again. He's supposed to be on TV Tuesday night, supposedly to explain more about Iraq. There's no point in my watching it. I'm not willing to subject myself to more of his lies. I'm just treading lightly and hoping this country, if not the world, can survive the next 3 years of his administration and that he doesn't do too much more harm.

Bush lied about the Iraq war. Plain and simple. If someone lies to me, it doesn't matter whether I like them or not. I simply can't trust someone who lies. PERIOD.

Since you apparently don't think you're paying enough in taxes, here's an idea. Instead of my paying even more in taxes, why not have you go ahead and do it? You seem to think that gov't can run your life better than you can and that you would obviously make wrong/poor decisions otherwise.

Look up the words in the dictionary. Donald Trump said the same thing last PM on Greta about taxing us even more, and how it'd ruin things even more.

Just take the cash out of your wallet and hand it over to those who can make it just fine w/o living under socialism. Your naivity is just scary.

do you think? With all the crap out there on the dems, you still think they had nothing to do with it? Rose colored glasses is what you wear. Better get your ears and eyes examined.

'Nough said. I'm not getting into an argument with you but it's all out there in black-and-white.

I agree with you 200%. I did not vote for Obama. I always vote based on the Bible as does my family and at our Bible Chapel. I always vote against abortion and always towards marriage of one man and one woman, I do believe that Obama is a socialist and he will be introducing social medicine. It makes me think that we're closer to the rapture than we think.

buy those clothes. The RNC did and most of them went back right away because they didn't fit. She didn't ask for those clothes. They figured she has to "look the part of a VP." Since when do VPs have to look like a million.

I scrolled down a few lines and saw nothing, so I thought you had said all you wanted to say. Exited out. Could you not have deleted all those lines?

Again, I am telling you that you are breaking copyright laws here by your posts, no links, just a name, a posting of a full article. You cannot do that. It is infringing on copyright laws.

By the way, are you capable of presenting your own thoughts on any subject without posting someone else's opinion/editorial/comments?