I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm
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Patty you are talking out both sides sm
of your mouth here! You label yourself a Christian but yet you tell your kids its "BEST" to wait til you find the person you want to spend your life with? If you believe what the Bible really says, you will teach those kids that God created sex to be within a marriage relationship. I know most folks are not going to like that but I am going by what the Bible teaches. If you are Christian then you should be teaching your kids what the Bible teaches. They may not agree but they will at least be taught.
I was talking about this board. Not anything else. NT
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No actually, she said MANY on this board, so from my interpretation she's talking about the most
Calm down.
You can't expect to come and attack people who haven't attacked you and then expect respect. Oh, wait a minute that's the neoconservative way (I-R-A-Q).
We were talking this board, I thought....
I do not remember seeing any posts on this board likening Michelle Obama to Louis Farrakhan...the only posts I have seen link Farrakhan to the church they went to for 20 years. I have seen no posts about the half brother other than one posted by a dem.
All that being said...and the point that was attempting to be made is that the announcement might have been made in a different way, had the far radical left not hit the internet with that ridiculous story about Bristol having the child and passing it off as her brother. THat was mean, hurtful rumor, and several here posted it and defended it. There have some right fringe stuff about Obama that could have been printed here, but I for one do not carry that kind of ... for lack of a better word...personal rumor not proven crap back to this board. To quote your candidate...I think we are better than that...or maybe...I wish.
No Reality, I was talking about their posts on the C board. :) nm
Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our
daily life.
and let's NOT forget personal slander
You all have directly slandered MT, and it shouldn't be tolerated in any form.
I'll hand your bog back to you and step aside.
Declawed here, but your sophmoric slander
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Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm
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Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm
You have no proof whatsoever to back any of this up.
This is about as good as when they said she banned books from the library and one of those books was Harry Potter. What the leftwing forgot to remember was Harry Potter hadn't even been written yet when they said she banned it.
The leftwingers are in a frenzy to try and trash McCain & Palin because it's not looking to great for Obama and Biden. If Obama and Biden were so great and "everyone" wanted him as president he would be soaring ahead in the polls. But he's not. He's neck and neck and depending on which poll you read he's either ahead or behind by just a few points.
Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander
You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?
It is not slander. It is freedom of speech
Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:
- A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
- The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
- If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
- Damage to the plaintiff.
A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true
Example: A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.
Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.
I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.
The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.
Opine away, but when spreading vicious slander,
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Presenting 2 sides to a story is not slander.
Returning insults lobbed in the absence of substance when faced with uncontestable fact is hardly defamatory. Show some respect and engage in the points of debate and you just might get the same in return. If not, response in kind will hardly be basis for removing me from the board. You should know very well by now just how hot things can get around the kitchen tables in Palestine.
because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm
the next step is physical abuse, the next is murder.
As it happens so often.
Wake up America
America is becoming a shadow what it once was. Time to clean house from the president down to our state representative. Whether you be Republican or Democrat we need to get new blood in our government. Everyone needs to get out and vote and remember all of these tragedies. Time has a way of healing and being amnesiac at the poles, remember, always remember.
Wake Up Call
Read this article closely:
Describing George W. Bush as the most stupid president in U.S. history, the Al Qaeda leader reached out to the Muslim world and said his group was winning faster than expected in Iraq.
The U.S. president's policy had enabled the militant group to achieve their goal of fighting more Americans, said the Al Qaeda leader.
We call the lame duck (Bush) not to hurry up in escaping the same way the defense minister did, he said, referring to the removal of Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary following the Democrats' victory in Midterm elections.
They are getting ready to leave, because they are no longer capable of staying, the Al Qaeda leader said.
Remain steadfast in the battlefield you coward, he called on the U.S president.
If this does not chill your blood, with all due respect, there is something terribly wrong. These people are focused on the destruction of the United States. They get their information from the New York Times and CNN, and they are heartened that the majority of this country who voted espouse the cut and run theory on Iraq. They seek to divide us from within and for the country to turn on the President (and they have done that successfully it would seem). They think (and it would appear that they are right in many cases) that the US as a whole has no stomach for the fight. In their eyes, we are weak and not willing to fight for what we believe in like they are, and in their eyes that makes us cowards. We are in a WAR, yes a WAR, like no other. And if you do not think us pulling out of Iraq prematurely will not fire the jihad you are very sadly mistaken. They will view it as a major victory and I shudder to think what will follow it. The very reason we have not had more major attacks on our soil, in my opinion, is that these people, with all their bluster, are afraid of George Bush and what he might do. They are afraid that if they pull something like that again Iraq might be a walk in the park and would mean even more American boots on the ground in places they don't want them. They just can't be sure of what the US might do under his leadership, and that is why they are biding their time. If we get a dovish adminstration, it could, and most likely would, get ugly real fast. All it will take is the first (and probably homegrown) jihadist to blow himself up in a mall somewhere and take several innocent American lives with him....and then it will be too late. It could happen, do not think for a moment it could not. They want dead Americans. They would prefer dead American citizens on our own ground. They prefer the cowardly fight. They do not prefer having to face our military. But they will, because they are dedicated to their belief, no matter how perverse it is, while all the time trying to get back on the playing field they prefer...cowardly suicide attacks. We will learn what Israel has had to live with for years, the hard way. Do you see where I am going with this? We NEED for them to remain afraid of what we might do if they start something like that. We need for them to respect our willingness to stand toe-to-toe for what we believe in. We need to demonstrate that we are willing to do so and not waver. We need to demonstrate a belief in our country and our way of life as strong as theirs is. We are already wavering as a country, and we need to suck it up and stand up straight again. It is time to wake up. We are not acting as the World police in Iraq. We are in a fight for our survival, the survival of a free country where we are not afraid to go into a mall or get in a car or go anywhere we wish without fear of suicide bombers, car bombs, being grabbed off the street and found without a head a week later. We do not need to join the hunker down and be quiet and maybe they will leave us alone club. That does not work. They are not going to leave us alone. No one is safe, for these people there is only one way....their way. They are not going to stop and go quietly away. That should be patently obvious. This is the most important issue that faces us. None of the rest of it will matter if we lose in Iraq. Take a moment to look at history, all the precursors of 9-11. Had we not gone into Iraq, and swept yet another incident under the rug (with Khobar Towers, the Cole, the Achille Lauro, Tanzania, Somalia, and on and on and on) there is no telling where we would be right now or what other awful things might have occurred. For those of you who cannot grasp that, who think that if we pull out of Iraq and pander to these people that everything will be all right....God help you. God help us all.
I say WAKE UP AMERICA too
isn't 8 years of Bush enough?????
Got a little wake up call....did ya?
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TO PATTY: sm
I am a born again, Bible believing Christian. I agree that homosexuality is WRONG! I don't want my grandkids taught this stuff in school and I don't want them exposed to it if I can help it. The Bible says its an abomination.
I am also the mother of a gay, 35-year-old son. He knows how his family feels about it and he does not expose us to his boyfriends.
That being said, I think you are living in a box and are being very cruel. There are people being murdered and tortured all the time because they are homosexuality. Quite like the KKK who murdered black people. To say this doesn't happen is just a little peek into how really ignorant and uninformed you are.
Please see my other note to you about the so-called Rev. Fred Phelps out in Kansas. This man is no more a Reverend than I am. He is nothing but a hate monger who has a congregation made up mostly of his own relatives. It is nothing but a cult and a front for violence and hate against homosexuals. That is no more "christian" than homosexuality itself. Mr. Phelps and his "bunch" bring nothing but shame and reproach upon the cause of Christ.
With all that in mind, please, PLEASE wake up! Homosexuals are murdered every day in this country and all over the world by the same kind of hateful people who murdered blacks back in the 50s because they were black. The KKK was supposedly a "christian" organization too.
When I first started reading your posts I agreed with alot of what you said about homosexuality. But after you made fun of folks talking about how gays are killed all the time, it made me rethink. Your true colors are coming out and it is not very Christ like at all.
To Patty
Patty, first of all I would like to say that I also share in your views that homosexuality is wrong. It is my religious right to feel this way, political right or just plain right of opinion and I would hope people would not attack me for my beliefs. I just wish Patty that instead of getting yourself worked up you would pray for God to lead you in the direction that you could HELP people better understand the Bible and to better understand the pathway to Heaven.
Throughout the years Christians have gotten a lot of backlash as being hypocritical, judgmental and things along those lines. A lot of people are on the fence as to whether or not they believe in God or believe in the Bible and then a Christian comes along that instead of being supportive and showing how much we and God loves them, they point out and chastise their sins. That is what you are doing and I personally do not believe that any of your statements made on this board would make a person see homosexuality as wrong and choose to follow a path of God.
You make many statements saying that God tells you to hate the sin. God tells us to be his servants. Hating the sin Patty, would be you NOT committing this sin. It is not you not buying particular music or you pointing out to everyone of such a sin. If you are wanting to explain yourself, how about post the Bible versus you are referring to, pray about it and let people make their own decisions. You cannot force your beliefs on anyone.
I understand that you said you would not buy this young man's music. That is your right. Would you sit by him if he came to your church? Would you INVITE him to come to church with you? How about invite him to Sunday dinner at your house after church?
My husband and I are both are very involved in ministry work and we have helped so many people with many different sins. I never look at those people by what sins they have committed. I do not want them looking at me by what sins I have committed either. We are God's servants. We are to serve him by bringing people TO him, by spreading His word, by showing them what joy it brings you to be a Christian and how happy we are to walk with the Lord. We are not God's police to point out sins of others. We are not to judge others. We are not to imply that one sin would be worse than another one because they are all equal in our Father's eyes.
I will pray for you Patty and I will pray for understanding for other people as well.
Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words....
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if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
I would not like to socialize with you.
Blind loyalty, sad. You need to wake up.nm
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Gourdpainter, WAKE UP and USE YOUR HEAD
We are "voice experts" if you will with all of the work we do. That is most definitely his voice.
Just because there is no video does not mean he didn't say it.
Please listen to it along with other interviews. It is most certainly him.
Yep, me too :-) Just hope all is well when we wake up in the morning sm
no matter who wins!
wake up and smell the coffee......
If you weren't holding on to the sinking ship which is your faith in Obama, you might know what it's like to feel mean and bitter, instead of drowning in a sea of love for your president.
You just holding on to that love fest, cause it's all ya gonna have before long
Exactly! Sadly, Americans cant seem to wake up.
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Good one....its really time to wake up
I hope entire world can learn a lesson from this video and think about their declining population.
Oh Patty! I also am a Christian and sm
I also know that homosexuality is against God's word and is WRONG. BUT to say that no-one is being killed over this, is living in a tunnel! There have been many stories of murders of folks just because they are homosexual.
To me, the worst example of this is the bunch out in Kanasas that go by the name of Westboro Baptist Church and the Rev. Fred Phelps! If this group could get away with murder, they would. But, I don't consider them a church at all, at least not a church as the Bible talks about, let alone a Baptist church. Tehy are nothing more than a hate group like the KKK hiding behind a church sign. This group brings shame and reproach upon teh name and the cause of Christ.
Please wake-up Patty, there are homosexuals being killed every day just because they are homosexual!
BTW, to open up a real hornest nest, I am the mother of a 35 year old gay son. I don't agree with him either and he knows it and in no way would I support his lifestyle choice. But I also don't want him murdered because he is living this way either.
I listened to your posts until you said "give us a break, you are breaking my heart." That head-in-the-sand attitude really breaks my heart. These posters are not making this up, many many stories of folks being murdered because they are homosexual.
Be very careful what you say, Patty. As
the mother of 3 young men, the oldest now 41, who were raised in church being taught the Bible is God's inspired Holy Word. Being their mom, I consider them "good boys." Let me tell you, over 41 years, I have had a pretty healthy diet of words. Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes you have no right to tell that person what you would or would not do because you have no idea what you would do. I'm sure MTTL has shed many tears and prayed many prayers over this. She is no more responsible for her son's sins as an adult as I am for my sons' sins as adults. This does not mean we stop loving them, that would be unnatural love. Please rethink your post.
Patty's not far from the truth of this...........
California has a tremendously LARGE population of gays and most gays know Christian beliefs do not approve of gay marriage; California has already shot that down even though some are still trying to push their agendas/lifestyle off on everyone else as acceptable.
It is no secret that the gay rights push out there is tremendous and no doubt a lot of hate for the Christian community, so if you think it's a far fetched idea that gays/lesbians are behind this, you really need to open your eyes. Bet if we could see behind the walls of their neighbors, you would find gays who know they are holding a Bible study and THEY are the ones that started this crap in the first place.
You're right, Christians have sat back and let this happen because we all get hammered when we speak out against homosexual behavior, but those that have spoken out against it in California will be subjected to being singled out and gays trying to cause trouble for them.....that isn't so far fetched to believe.
Friends of mine who live out there do say they too strongly believe gays reported this Bible study they didn't like in the first place and have strong reasons to believe this. They also know a great majority of those in political positions are gay and will do everything in their power to also push the Bible studies to stop..... period! Anywhere!
Patty, just get off this particular thread.
It is very obvious that you are a minority here and you're just trying to stir the pot, as you always do. Nobody wants to hear your bigoted idiotic statements about something you know nothing about, so just keep handling your snakes and leave everybody else's sex life alone. It is none of your business!!
I agree with you 100% Patty
I may not agree with you on a lot of issues but this is one I'm with you ALL the way.
Why they think it's okay to bash Bush and call him names, but the O is supposed to get a pass when he is doing harm/wrong to the country.
Kudo's to you for saying so.
Sheeple, wake up or put your socialist hats on!
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Oh boy. WAKE UP. Follow the link before you post.
Both bills referred to here involve Equal/Fair pay remendies for WOMEN, not Congress.
Ignorance is bliss. Better wake up and smell
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Wrong! In the words of Patty
who actually did play the race card first:
' I could be discriminated against too.....if I chose to be homo but I don't. Our sexual partner is a choice. Rosa Parks couldn't change her color and women can't cut off their vaginas. You CAN choose who you have sexual relations with. Now stop blubbering. You're making puddles.'
As Rosa Parks was a black woman who defied the law to sit in the whites-only part of the bus, I believe Patty brought up the race subject to which I was merely responding.
Sorry, JTBB, I agree with Patty. I do not
believe everything what the Bible says, but I believe that homosexuality is wrong.
Not because it is written in the Bible, because it just IS. It always was and still is.
I do not hate them, I would never do something bad to them, I wish them all the best, but I just would not even socialize with them, especially as a mother with kids.
You're right about one thing, Patty.
Your mental disease is downright UGLY!!
Just wondrin' Patty: Who put you in charge . . .
of deciding what is a "sound" law or not? LOL
Not tolerant of people who mislead and slander, invent fiction and then say it's true.
freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm
You are slandering the President of the United States out of ignorance, shame on you!
Where is this written in the Constitution that it is allowed to grossly insult the President?
Even if I disagree with the decisions of the President, I would NEVER slander him.
I am an independent, not a liberal, and I never slandered Bush, although I very much disagreed with him.
Therefore there are presidential elections set every 4 years, when we can elect another President, but we are disrespecting ourselves by slandering the President the majority of the population voted.
And you are calling yourselves
American citizens?
What a hypocrisy.
You are insulting the incumbent President of the United States of America and it is not even PROVEN that he made mistakes up until now. That you disagree with him, does not make it a mistakes from O's side. Or do you want to say that you are better qualified to be the President of the United States?
Can you all look into the future, like Nostradamus?
You must mean those poor souls swimming upstream in the wake of
the one looming just above the horizon.
Hey! I'll celebrate St. Patty's Day witcha!
:)
Patty, I like that...can I borrow your word, "asscream"?
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So true! I think Patty & Aunt Louise should go
All that narrow-mindedness and hatred really gets old.
I am an atheist and yet I agree with Patty so find
a different name to call me. In your small world you believe that anyone who is against O is a far right, Bible thumping conservative and that is just not the case, as I am proof of it. Yes, I voted for him, worked on his campaign for 2 years because I truly believed every word that he spewed but with every passing day I regret that.
Maybe now peole will wake up and smell the SHIITE that Obama's been spreading.
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Patty: that's what you are believing, you with your 'biblical, caged' mind..nm
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Human rights is an issue for you and your children... wake up and open your mind
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