For Pete's sake, I agree. Let me say, CARE PACKAGES ARE A GREAT THING TO DO!
Posted By: Democrat on 2005-10-13
In Reply to: I never met a soldier who didn't want a package. - You are wrong
Let's all send care packages. I will check out the web site you provided and if it's legit my heart and pocketbook will lead me. Trust me, to your surprise I'm not a stingy old witch sitting here not willing to give a dime to the troops but yet preach about how much I love them. Don't believe that, well then it only rains under your cloud.
Where the disconnect is, is that you think that people are not allowed to be against this war, against this administration, and still be for the troops. When you come here and tell us what the troops are asking for in the form of care packages, it ticks me off even more with this administration for putting them in this situation, but you have reminded me that they are with needs and wishes and for their sacrifice we all should give to them.
In discussing this, our conversation can not be limited to care packages. Let me applaud you in all sincerity for being proactive and on top of sending the packages you have put together. I know you will make someone in Iraq's day brighter, a big hats off to you! I just happen to think they shouldn't be in this predicament anyway and on that we may never see eye to eye and that's fine.
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oh for pete's sake
The far right is reading something sinister into this. Even your link acknowledges that Obama voted against this bill with an intentionally inflammatory name because of technical wording that would infringe upon Roe v. Wade but wasn't opposed to the federal version with different wording. He's not in favor of leaving babies to die. For pete's sake, no one is. These kinds of bills are thrown around all the time by both sides just so they can use it as ammo against the other side later, things like Women's Human Rights bill and Anti-baby Mutilation Act, so when the other sides votes for or against their opponent can say, "you voted against women's human rights," or "you voted in favor of baby mutilation."
Oh for Pete's sake, it won't work.
It will go underground. Like it or not, it is tied now to big business. You quoted it. This will not induce responsibility. You stand by your beliefs because you feel it just and it makes you feel good without much thought about the ramifications, the immediate and the future.
It is this kind of behavior that drives me nuts. This is the same behavior of why we as the United States are looked upon with such scorn pretty much around the world because we keep pushing our beliefs on others because we feel it just and it makes us feel good without much thought or regard to the people and the possible outcome. Not to mention, it tends to prey on the weak.
I think the method of abortion is what gets you all riled up. Would it make you feel better if abortions were all done chemically? Probably wouldn't be near as adamant about it, the vividity of it is what gets your attention. Too bad the site of bloodied, mangled, bodies of men, women, and children of those who die during war doesn't ignite the same fire in your heart.
George Carlin said this back in the 70s and it always stuck in my head. "Religion is like a lift in your shoe, just don't nail lifts to the natives feet".
Oh for Pete's sake. Why should this be an issue? sm
The one that springs to mind is John Edwards $400 haircuts.
I mean, really. Of course they want her to look good while she's on the campaign trail.
Why don't you ask who pays for Obama's , or Michelle Obama's wives wardrobe? Oh wait, maybe those were paid for by the gazillions of dollars he gets donated by anonymous donors overseas....or wherever.
This is really a nonissue for most people. You all are just trying to rile things up.
Oh, for pete's sake, stop with the Palin bashing... sm
We know that you hate her. Big surprise.
The more you bash McCain/Palin, the better they look.
Makes Obama look bad, the way his supporters trash her continually.
Get the facts - not fear - and for pete's sake stop being so nauseating
you probably don't know who I'm addressing it to and I want to keep it that way.
It's good you support your candidate, but this rhetoric back and forth, mine is more experienced than your, you'll be crying all the way to the polls while I'm laughing, blah, blah, blah.
Truth is we don't know who will win. One thing I'm seeing is most don't like any choice, but you hate one so much that you belittle the other side to prop yours up.
Also I'm not seeing anyone do any research. It's just mine has more experience than yours but no facts to back it up. Again - yada yada yada.
To me none of them are overly qualified. Some I can't stand, but I don't have that "I love this candidate or that candidate".
I just say stop belittling others until you can come up with hard facts as to why one is more qualified than the other. (well even then don't belittle others - just state the facts).
So, you judge how much one cares by how many care packages they send??? sm
Well, I'm at a loss responding because you don't know what we do to support our troops, but if it makes you feel better to think you do more than everyone else, then do go on.
My uncle is over there and he has told me not send him anything else, he wants to come home.
Perhaps sending packages
but your blanket statements about not supporting the troops is plain false and truly ignorant. You just don't get it; our beef is with Bush and Co. and his asinine policies. The troops are the ones being sent to be slaughtered for heaven's sake. You think we don't know that? Why doesn't Bush send his twin daughters, since it's such a noble cause?
As for the cigarettes and junk food, I have seen it with my own eyes! Of course it's insulting...it's insulting to our troops to send them for weapons that weren't there and because of the stupidity and arrogance of a man who won't listen to his top soldiers! Generals who warned him of all of this --- he basically told 'em to get lost. What about Colin Powell-- a 4-star general who had to make the case; how do you think he feels? My goodness, I don't know why I bother, 'cause you just dont' get it. We'll just have to leave it at that. It's all so senseless.
Yes, it's a great thing, absolutely unprecedented.
Honestly, I don't understand why people are so afraid of these changes that are being implemented. Change can be GOOD!! Especially when it's been broken for so long. Three day in, and the naysayers are already saying they don't "trust" THIS adminstration. Funny how they "trusted" the last one so blindly!
Yes, it's a great thing, absolutely unprecedented.
And yes, I got that one on my "Favorites" list!
Honestly, I don't understand why people are so afraid of these changes that are being implemented. Change can be GOOD!! Especially when it's been broken for so long. Three days in, and the naysayers are already saying they don't "trust" THIS adminstration. Funny how they "trusted" the last one so blindly!
The great thing about Obama talkin' so purdy...
It's so easy to catch him in a lie. He's so clear and straightforward, there's no way he can deny what he said. I think it's great when the news says what he does on any given day and then plays back his campaign speeches and they are completely opposite. It's great, keep it up. America can fall out of love with Obama as quickly as they fell in love with him.
Agree illegal health care has got to go!
I type an account where there appears to be many illegal aliens in that area, in that 90% of the babies getting tests have a hispanic last name and its often mentioned interpreters were needed to speak to the parents. Some never get a first name, I'd say at least 25% of the babies I type reports for have been in and out of intensive care for up to a year and still are going by "babyboy" or "babygirl" as a first name. Page after page of tests performed for each baby, and that's just in my specialty! We have to be spending millions on this and for what, to enourage them to come here and dump their babies at the hospital at birth and not even bother to name them? It makes me really disgusted to type the 50th report for "babyboy gonzalez" who is 18 months old and still in the ICU for congenital heart problems/lung problems, knowing darn well his healthcare is free while I can barely afford to insure my own child! We owe these illegals nothing yet we rob from our own to cater to them! Are we crazy?
I agree that there is a problem with health care...
and insurance in this country. What I disagree with is expanding yet another entitlement program to throw more money down an endless well.
This is what Huckabee has to say, and I think it makes a lot of sense:
The health care system in this country is irrevocably broken, in part because it is only a "health care" system, not a "health" system.
We don't need universal health care mandated by federal edict.
We do need to get serious about preventive health care.
I advocate policies that will encourage the private sector to seek innovative ways to bring down costs.
I value the states' role as laboratories for new market-based approaches.
When I'm President, Americans will have more control of their health care options, not less.
As President, I will work with the private sector, Congress, health care providers, and other concerned parties to lead a complete overhaul of our health care system.
Our health care system is making our businesses non-competitive in the global economy. It is time to recognize that jobs don't need health care, people do, and move from employer-based to consumer-based health care.
The health care system in this country is irrevocably broken, in part because it is only a "health care" system, not a "health" system. We don't need universal health care mandated by federal edict or funded through ever-higher taxes. We do need to get serious about preventive health care instead of chasing more and more dollars to treat chronic disease, which currently gobbles up 80% of our health care costs, and yet is often avoidable. The result is that we'll be able to deliver better care where and when it's needed.
I advocate policies that will encourage the private sector to seek innovative ways to bring down costs and improve the free market for health care services. We have to change a system that happily pays $30,000 for a diabetic to have his foot amputated, but won't pay for the shoes that would save his foot.
We can make health care more affordable by reforming medical liability; adopting electronic record keeping; making health insurance more portable from one job to another; expanding health savings accounts to everyone, not just those with high deductibles; and making health insurance tax deductible for individuals and families as it now is for businesses. Low income families would get tax credits instead of deductions. We don't need all the government controls that would inevitably come with universal health care. When I'm President, Americans will have more control of their health care options, not less.
I also value the states' role as laboratories for new market-based approaches, and I will encourage those efforts. As President I will work with the private sector, Congress, health care providers, and other concerned parties to lead a complete overhaul of our health care system, not more of the same, paid for by Uncle Sam at the expense of hard-working families.
Health care spending is now about $2 trillion a year, which is close to $7,000 for each one of us. It consumes about 17% of our gross domestic product, easily surpassing the few European nations where spending is close to 10% and far higher than any other country in the world. If we reduced our out-of-control health care costs from 17% to 11%, we'd save $700 billion a year, which is about twice our annual national deficit.
Our health care system is making our businesses non-competitive in the global economy. General Motors spends more on health care than it does on steel, $1,500 per car. Starbucks spends more on health care than it does on coffee beans. We have an employer-based system from the 1940's, a system devised not because it was the best way to provide health care, but as a way around World War II wage-and-price controls. Costs have skyrocketed because the party paying for the health care - the employer - and the party using the health care - the employee - are not the same. It is human nature to consume more of something that is essentially free.
Workers complain that their wages are stagnant, but businesses reply that their total compensation costs are rising significantly because they are paying so much more for health care. Health care costs are adversely affecting your paycheck, even if you're healthy. Some Americans are afraid to change jobs or start their own businesses because they're afraid of losing their health insurance. It is time to recognize that jobs don't need health insurance, people do, and to ease the burden on our businesses. Our employer-based system has outlived its usefulness, but the answer is a consumer-based system, not socialized medicine.
As a personal aside, I have one of those health savings accounts and it has helped me on more than one occasion. I like the idea of deductions for health insurance premiums for everyone. I like that a lot. I like the idea of tax credits for lower income people who maintain their own insurance. Child care credits worked. Why wouldn't child health care credits?
I just don't think another wide open *gimme* program will work. This program as it went to Bush would open the doors to higher income people who are now paying their own premiums to stop doing that and get on a program. That is going in the WRONG direction. Instead give those people tax deductions for 100% of those premiums paid. For those who are in the lower income brackets struggling to pay their own premiums so as not to get on a program, reward that with tax credits. Let's reward responsibility instead of encourage irresponsibility.
Just one humble opinion.
I agree, they did great, very classy
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I agree 100%. Other great examples of....
socialism...Cuba and Venezuela. See how it is working for them. Ends in dictatorship nearly every single time. People buy into class warfare and by the time they realize the middle class they were trying to save is truly gone and all you have is the "government" and everybody else...all the populace in the lower class. The handwriting is on the wall...and the socialist party of the US (the DNC) has us in its crosshairs...brought to you courtesy of George Soros and his vision of one world government. Hellooo.
I agree with you. As my great aunt always said
It is that simple.
What a great post!! I totally agree with everything you said.
Anyone who knows me personally knows that when Bush was running for President in 2000, I told everyone I know that if he's elected, we'll find ourselves at war with Iraq. Nobody believed me.
It's ironic that the reason DIDN'T vote for him in 2004 was the very same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000: I was against war with Iraq.
What is particularly troubling about all this is that Bush appeared to use the tragedy of 9/11 to justify his war against Iraq.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that this war will eventually be deemed as an illegal war.
We don't know what al Quaeda will do next. Wouldn't surprise me to discover that they were part of the "hacking" team that got ahold of everyone's credit card numbers the other day.
If Bush cares so much about America, he could begin to show it by monitoring our borders. He's been incredibly negligent in that regard.
He promised he would not impose a draft. Yet, recruitment goals haven't been met for several months now. If I had a child of that age, I certainly would try to talk him/her out of joining the military. The government has proven they lie to soldiers, hold reservists hostage, fail to provide adequate equipment to protect soldiers, etc., etc., etc! He will have to bring back the draft, and we can add that to the gazillion lies he's told.
I think your post was great, and I particularly enjoyed the one regarding Hitler that you wrote above. You nailed it!!!
Yes, I agree she gave a great response.
Great post, Chele. I agree. Besides,
parents have to consent to ANY OTHER procedure for the child, why would this be any different?
Abortion is a horrible, horrible thing that is used by Planned Parentood to make money and used as birth control.
Great post, MT! I totally agree with you,
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Oh for the love of Pete...LOL nm
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Oh for the love of pete!!!!
Nice spin on that one. Sheesh. I can handle my life quite well thank you but as a parent we all deal with sleep deprivation and I do believe I killed a spider in my bathroom this morning.
I guess you are right. You might as well not talk to me about this because, unlike you, I would much rather try to save American lives and prevent another strike on US soil instead of worrying about a terrorist and whether or not they are comfortable enough in Gitmo.
Agree...great post. Please come back and share...sm
your ideas.
Great post, Chele... totally agree.nm
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I agree. Great article. Thanks, LVMT for posting it.
To m: LOL. No problem. It's very easy to do on this board. 
I agree, Kaydie. Great post!!! Thank you for serving
the USA. My family and I appreciate you!
I agree, great quote! I am amazed that for the 2+ days ...sm
that this has been posted, you did not get a single response. The only way we are going to get anything accomplished is to work together as Americans. I guess some just don't get it.
I didn't know Pete had a brother. LOL!
God bless!
I would agree except for one thing. sm
They are teaching our future generation. Whether I give them power or not, and I don't, they have unlimited reign to spread their propaganda.
That is not the same thing. While I do not agree....
with many of the arcane tax laws we have, redistribution of wealth is taking money from the private sector and directly redistributing that money to people who did not earn it. Not from the tax coffers that every american pays into. To put it more simply...say the government decides to take half of what you have and distribute it to your neighbors who don't have as much as you have. That is what Obama is talking about. Plays on class warfare...taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots. When we pay taxes into tax coffers it is up to the government (sad to say) how that money is spent. We have control over that. Now what Obama has said he is going to do is bypass the tax and rebate system, choose which private sector company he wants to "tax," and redistribute that money directly back to people who did nothing to earn it.
I agree with you on one thing....for sure....
there are problems in BOTH parties. They have, for the most part, lost touch with us out here in Middle America. I am talking about the upper tier policymakers in the parties, the ones who REALLY run them, not the rank and file members. The Democrats dissed part of their rank and file members this week and I think they will live to regret that. The Repub hierarcy did the same thing, pushing McCain over the others when they should basically stay out of it and let the people decide. Now, if McCain is smart, he will choose a VP who is not a rote party yes person. I will wait for that.
But, BOTH parties need to clean house, and it needs to be back to what the majority of the people want, not what the upper tier of the political parties want. On EITHER side.
I agree with one thing you said. sm
You said:
We need to drop our RELIGION and DENOMINATIONS
I couldn't agree more. We need to drop religion and start thinking like rational human beings before it's too late. Stop believing in fairy tales like the bible. Revelations? Good grief. Try thinking of things in terms of facts, evidence, science, and reason instead of looking in an ancient book of fiction (the bible) and expecting it to predict the future for you.
and I will agree with you on one thing too
Actually my dad lost his job back in the 1970s but it was very difficult for him. he wanted to work longer, but the company was gone and he had no place to turn. So basically he was "retired" about 7 or 8 years before he planned. Fortunately, for him and for us, my parents had always saved well, did not spend money they didn't have and lived within their means so they were able to live fine anyway. What I will agree on is that they stood together on things the way people no longer do. When their company was asking cutbacks (which was got the union going on their strike idea in the first place) several of the younger guys were in jeopardy of losing their jobs. My dad and his three friends had worked there for 40 years, those being the jobs they took when they returned from their service in World War II. People used to stay at jobs and be happy to have them! Anyway, these four men each took a week off every month (voluntarily and without pay) in order to allow one of the younger guys to keep working and not be let go. Now that is admirable. That is how people used to treat one another. Now it's all about ME and no one else matters. That is one of the biggest problems I see today - selfishness. The whole strike issue is too ambiguous. It accomplishes nothing. The workers go on strike. if they succeed, the company gives them what they want (more money, better benefits - again, more money). Then the costs of the goods produced or service rendered goes up so the company can pay these higher salaries and increased benefit costs, and everybody pays more for the goods and services so in the end nobody came out ahead. You may have ended up with a bigger paycheck but had to pay more for the same stuff so what good did it do in the end? It was a union power play, and it hurt many,many people. Sorry, rambled on there. The outsourcing issue is a problem due to business taxation in this country, and we have one candidate who wants to increase business tax. How will that help? NOT.
At least we agree on one thing...LOL....
However....you totally miss the Joe the Plumber point. What difference does it make if he WAS a plant? I do not believe he was, but even if he WAS...this is America for the love of Pete!! Can't an American, Republican or not, ask a candidate a simple question??? No one forced Obama with a gun to his head to give a socialist answer. He did that all by his little ol' self. That goes to show that he BELIEVES that. That is what he BELIEVES. He believes in redistribution of wealth. He is a socialist. Hello. lol. :-)
I do agree with one thing you said about him...
he is intelligent. The rest of it...remains to be seen. I do not see integrity in someone who throws a 20-year relationship under the bus when it becomes a roadblock to the Presidency. Whether he has ALL the peoples' best interests at heart remains to be seen, not an established fact. As to the best and brightest in his campaign...I could not disagree more. Two of his advisors (until he also threw them under the bus) were main orchestrators of the Freddie/Fannie mess. Bring our nation to honor? That certainlyyyy remains to be seen.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
The only thing I agree with you on is sm
the fact that he took over a mess. But making a bigger mess??? How did that help tell me please?
The only thing Obama is doing is sitting in Washington giving orders to print more money when there is none....something that the rest of us would go to prison for.
Obama is up there "playing president" for the next four years and making the biggest mess this country has ever seen. Then again, I guess if you are so far to the left you are pretty blind and cannot comprehend common sense.
He is making a laughing stock out of this country. He has no respect for the military. Our enemies are sitting back laughing at us
I'm sure. Who you gonna blame it on when the next attack on this country happens? It won't be Bush's fall, it will be Obamas fault for letting the guard down of this country.
I totally agree, and another thing. sm
Despite what liberals may think, Conservatives did not go to the poll and vote for liberals to express their displeaure. They just didn't vote at all. As you said, it was apathy. I voted because it is something I would never consider NOT doing, but I was less than enthusiastic about some of my candidates.
I agree. Another thing I would like to see change is.s/m
Corporations being given incentives and tax breaks to move their businesses to other countries. Workers in the United States need jobs too. I would like to see that repealed, and I hope that it is.
Hey that's the first thing you've said that I agree with
helping the situation.
I agree with one thing....what she did was ridiculous...
inflammatory and downright stupid. She is supposed to be the leader of the house...and what she did was just plain stupid. According to the Republicans interviewed they voted no because that was what their constituents were wanting them to do in ratio of about 99 to 1. Still, when she was supposed to be a leader in a bipartisan effort, to make that silly speech right before the vote...seriously poor judgment and she is 3 heartbeats away from the Presidency.
I don't agree with the entire thing....
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I'll agree with you on one thing
the American people are, for the most part, ignorant sheep.
I agree...have read the same thing. nm
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I agree with one thing you said. Abortion is
definitely evil.
One important thing we can all agree on:
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Agree. The whole thing is just sickening.
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I hope for your sake
your brother or son are never on the wrong side of a divorce case that involves a politician. To reach down from the Governor's office into a matter belonging to the trooper's direct superiors is nothing but abuse of power and vindictiveness. That should scare the blue right off your hair.
Oh for heaven's SAKE
Hitler? Marx? You don't know what you are talking about, & bringing your religion into it gives your religion less credibility, doesn't give you more.
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/a/ChristFascism.htm
Get a life, for God's sake!
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