Oh, for pete's sake, stop with the Palin bashing... sm
Posted By: indy on 2008-09-24
In Reply to: if he was putting country first, he would have - mt
We know that you hate her. Big surprise.
The more you bash McCain/Palin, the better they look.
Makes Obama look bad, the way his supporters trash her continually.
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Get the facts - not fear - and for pete's sake stop being so nauseating
you probably don't know who I'm addressing it to and I want to keep it that way.
It's good you support your candidate, but this rhetoric back and forth, mine is more experienced than your, you'll be crying all the way to the polls while I'm laughing, blah, blah, blah.
Truth is we don't know who will win. One thing I'm seeing is most don't like any choice, but you hate one so much that you belittle the other side to prop yours up.
Also I'm not seeing anyone do any research. It's just mine has more experience than yours but no facts to back it up. Again - yada yada yada.
To me none of them are overly qualified. Some I can't stand, but I don't have that "I love this candidate or that candidate".
I just say stop belittling others until you can come up with hard facts as to why one is more qualified than the other. (well even then don't belittle others - just state the facts).
oh for pete's sake
The far right is reading something sinister into this. Even your link acknowledges that Obama voted against this bill with an intentionally inflammatory name because of technical wording that would infringe upon Roe v. Wade but wasn't opposed to the federal version with different wording. He's not in favor of leaving babies to die. For pete's sake, no one is. These kinds of bills are thrown around all the time by both sides just so they can use it as ammo against the other side later, things like Women's Human Rights bill and Anti-baby Mutilation Act, so when the other sides votes for or against their opponent can say, "you voted against women's human rights," or "you voted in favor of baby mutilation."
Oh for Pete's sake, it won't work.
It will go underground. Like it or not, it is tied now to big business. You quoted it. This will not induce responsibility. You stand by your beliefs because you feel it just and it makes you feel good without much thought about the ramifications, the immediate and the future.
It is this kind of behavior that drives me nuts. This is the same behavior of why we as the United States are looked upon with such scorn pretty much around the world because we keep pushing our beliefs on others because we feel it just and it makes us feel good without much thought or regard to the people and the possible outcome. Not to mention, it tends to prey on the weak.
I think the method of abortion is what gets you all riled up. Would it make you feel better if abortions were all done chemically? Probably wouldn't be near as adamant about it, the vividity of it is what gets your attention. Too bad the site of bloodied, mangled, bodies of men, women, and children of those who die during war doesn't ignite the same fire in your heart.
George Carlin said this back in the 70s and it always stuck in my head. "Religion is like a lift in your shoe, just don't nail lifts to the natives feet".
Oh for Pete's sake. Why should this be an issue? sm
The one that springs to mind is John Edwards $400 haircuts.
I mean, really. Of course they want her to look good while she's on the campaign trail.
Why don't you ask who pays for Obama's , or Michelle Obama's wives wardrobe? Oh wait, maybe those were paid for by the gazillions of dollars he gets donated by anonymous donors overseas....or wherever.
This is really a nonissue for most people. You all are just trying to rile things up.
For Pete's sake, I agree. Let me say, CARE PACKAGES ARE A GREAT THING TO DO!
Let's all send care packages. I will check out the web site you provided and if it's legit my heart and pocketbook will lead me. Trust me, to your surprise I'm not a stingy old witch sitting here not willing to give a dime to the troops but yet preach about how much I love them. Don't believe that, well then it only rains under your cloud.
Where the disconnect is, is that you think that people are not allowed to be against this war, against this administration, and still be for the troops. When you come here and tell us what the troops are asking for in the form of care packages, it ticks me off even more with this administration for putting them in this situation, but you have reminded me that they are with needs and wishes and for their sacrifice we all should give to them.
In discussing this, our conversation can not be limited to care packages. Let me applaud you in all sincerity for being proactive and on top of sending the packages you have put together. I know you will make someone in Iraq's day brighter, a big hats off to you! I just happen to think they shouldn't be in this predicament anyway and on that we may never see eye to eye and that's fine.
Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
My gosh--stop the personal bashing...
I thought liberals fancied themselves empathetic and thought conservatives were the hate mongers!
My gosh--stop the personal bashing...
I thought liberals fancied themselves empathetic and think conservatives are the hate mongers!
I said Palin was pretty- do you consider that bashing?
You are so 1 way you cannot completely read the postings, can you?
Oh for the love of Pete...LOL nm
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These were taken by Pete Souza
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Oh for the love of pete!!!!
Nice spin on that one. Sheesh. I can handle my life quite well thank you but as a parent we all deal with sleep deprivation and I do believe I killed a spider in my bathroom this morning.
I guess you are right. You might as well not talk to me about this because, unlike you, I would much rather try to save American lives and prevent another strike on US soil instead of worrying about a terrorist and whether or not they are comfortable enough in Gitmo.
I didn't know Pete had a brother. LOL!
God bless!
Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
I hope for your sake
your brother or son are never on the wrong side of a divorce case that involves a politician. To reach down from the Governor's office into a matter belonging to the trooper's direct superiors is nothing but abuse of power and vindictiveness. That should scare the blue right off your hair.
Oh for heaven's SAKE
Hitler? Marx? You don't know what you are talking about, & bringing your religion into it gives your religion less credibility, doesn't give you more.
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/a/ChristFascism.htm
Get a life, for God's sake!
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For heaven's sake
What's next, that pie he was eating looked exactly like Elvis? Good grief.
Addendum for sake of clarity.
For the sake of clarity, the hearings on the The Imperial Presidency of GW Bush and Possible Legal Response are being conducted in the House Judiciary Committee, not the House of Representatives since, like the energy bill, Pelosi's position is one of "impeachment is off the table." Just how long she can keep it off the table is anybody's guess. John Conyers is skeptical by nature and, in the past, has been lukewarm and uncommitted one way or the other on impeachment. Evidently he has changed his mind when confronted with evidence he could no longer ignore. This was discussed by him during his interview on Democracy Now! in one of those programs back in June. Though he was not willing to comment on "an ongoing investigation," he did make it quite clear that he will exhaust all avenues in "getting to the bottom" of the issues that are being raised in this HDC process and take appropriate action.
http://thebivouac.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/rep-kucinich-takes-phone-caller-questions-on-impeachment-video/
Kucinich talking about HJC impeachment process, C-Span, Washington Journal. There is about 30 minutes of video here.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35061
At this link, you will find these links:
Hearing on Impeachment Videos
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2008-07-26 18:06.
Kucinich enters hearing to cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2MWTh0QF40
Rep. Robert Wexler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1ojrKhp6E
Rep. Steve King:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZxCloEbQk
Rep. Jerrold Nadler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL7259BAP9s
Rep. Dennis Kucinich:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRAcenaTVkQ
Bruce Fein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80IphtHrFzg
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDAFozFn4kU
Bruce Fein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXyDK2-p4fU
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53p34yzZac
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7abu9a0xtNI
Lamar Smith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epf0QpeFcag
Rep. Baldwin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFNmanXtZ9o
Maurice Hinchey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHKV-7vvYk
Rep. Dan Lungren:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKc5e0oAvYM
Protesters ejected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosDxv1bjCc
Rep. Walter Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU5HKfes0cE
Congressman Steve Cohen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZezNyKmKF1M
For goodness' sake, where did critical thinking go?
It's an editorialized article that includes many statements and facts meant for the reader to consider. It's not something intended to be only true or not true. You're supposed to THINK about it and measure it against what you know and come to your own opinion about it, and if it jars you, check out the facts for accuracy yourself. What has happened to the right's ability to think soundly?
For heaven's sake, READ THE ARTICLE.
the part about charges dropped WITHOUT PREJUDICE. It means that the charges can be brought against him again AFTER the review has concluded and the new policies are in place. Also, pay especialy close attention to the part where it says that Abd Al-Rahim will REMAIN IN CUSTODY. Does that sound like a free pass?
I will not stop trying to stop the slaughter of the unborn in this country...
I never said you were a stupid wretch. What I said was, if you can watch that video below and not feel something, your heart must be seared over. If you can watch that video and advocate what you advocate, yes, I'm sorry, I find that cold. I am entitled to my opinion and all your ranting and name calling and belitting is not going to change that. Someone needs to speak for the child. You certainly aren't allowing it any rights, including the right to live. You are okay with that, I'm not.
No one uses "peahen", so I insist on the "Mr." for sake of clarity.
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Sarah Palin fans are as whack as Palin.
Even John McCain's top adviser referred to Sarah Palin as a whack job.
Nobody's bashing you
Just because someone questions you it does not a bash make.
Who was bashing? sm
Someone pointed out, actually THREE someones, that a link was not working and you freaked out. Now, who is overreacting here? I tried to point out, nicely I might add, that the link was not working and you started with the only liberals could see it conversation. At least have the good graces to admit that this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The link does not work. It just doesn't. If it works for you, I am surprised as all get out, because it just does not work for me. Settle down. Take a chill pill. No one is bashing you for Pete's sake.
What is bashing?
Thank you for your post, however, I do not need you to clarify what is a bashing post and what is not. Calling someone ignorant is not needed, debating is. I have participated in many debates both in college and within the internet and honestly debating can be done without disparaging another. Calling someone ignorant is a bash. However, you see the world one way, others see it another. Is not that reason enough to keep all posts and debates as kind as can be?
no bashing here, you are so right!
McCain is the man to lead right now. Palin is a great woman too. Obama is a good guy in many respects, but not to lead this country. He does NOT have the judgment, the depth of character or the right morality IMO. He is really a politician at heart, and its not a 'new kind of politics'... i think the senate is the best place for him.
Not bashing at all....I just wonder, though....sm
how many of you Obama supporters will even bother to admit if and when Obama does not live up to your expectations.
I noticed how no one on this board today, could even be bothered about the one issue I raised in my post, of Obama's lack of discretion, and outright disdain for our current president, by leaking their private conversation, and then lying about it. And then coming out and admitting he lied about it (or rather, his campaign supposedly said all these things and leaked them, etc...but he was the one in the oval office, not his campaign, and thus it came from him....).
Not a word from you on that subject.
No bashing here, BWT........ sm
I agree with you on all points. But the point I was making is now is the time to buy cheap and hope for an increase on your money in the future....and it will be WAY in the future.
We're all in the same boat sinking at the same time, and you're right, there is nothing Obama can do about it. Greed has gotten us to where we are, and not just the greed of the filthy rich either. I think we have about run our course here in America and the next years are going to be hard ones. I'll share my refrigerator box with ya!
Vote McCain and Palin! -oh and why does Palin
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Palin over Biden any day. Make fun of Palin all you
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Why the Bush Bashing?
Your post is nothing more than that. Grow up, get a life that is filled with something other than hate.
why the bush bashing?
Spoken like a true conservative republican..if someone does not agree with you or live like you or vote like you or have the same beliefs or morals like you, you attack them personally, without any basis in fact for the attack. Get a life? Grow up? Things that have been posted here about Bush are the truth..PERIOD..yet, you turn around and attack personally, not knowing anything about the posters. I am grown up and do have a life, full of wonderful things and also full of politics and I will post and shout out and write editorials to the newspapers on this corrupt murderous administration any time I feel like it. Thank you very much. Now, why dont you go back to the Conservative Bush sheep section.
bashing bush
I do not see the media bashing Bush, honestly I still wonder why so Americans voted for him - so confusing our Country has never been in the Pearls it is in today, our poor troops!!!!!!
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Obama bashing
I agree about the measure of success. It's relative. A 4 or 5 point bump isn't exactly chicken-feed when you are already in the lead, but the success of his trip is not about the polls. They will bump and slump a hundred times between now and November for both candidates and because they are skewed, construed and misconstrued, they are not that meaningful one way or the other, especially since we still have not even made it to the conventions. What Obama succeeded in as a byproduct of his accepting McCain's challenge is that he did not exactly come across as some inexperienced rookie as McCain had hoped he would. Instead, he was well received among world leaders who were obviously quite comfortable around him, some of whom expressed their open support and acceptance. He came out of this trip with an impressive stash of diplomatic capital, something that McCain has yet to even recognize as being desirable or advantageous.
It is impossible to measure the numbers of people who were or were not "impressed" by his world citizen identity, but it is possible to be one and be a patriotic American at the same time. It's not a right or wrong, either/or thing. It is phrase that reflects an approach or attitude toward world view and is more accurately defined as a philosophy behind foreign policy that does not in any way diminish love of country. For those who promote diplomacy as an effective and viable alternative to war, it is well understood. For those who don't, it is just more fodder for personal attack and is often misrepresented as a lack of allegiance. This accusation is ludicrous and insulting. Many believe that the desire to avoid and/or prevent war is the ultimate expression of love for country and it is those people who he represents well.
This "hoohah" statement makes no sense. For the sake of clarity, diplomacy is a 4-letter word for those who subscribe to the belief that diplomatic world citizens are un-American. The Berlin speech sure didn't look so "little," with 200,000 in attendance. When did McCain ever spark such interest and excitement? It does not matter where the speeches are made. It is the message that counts. The time is now for a US president who inspires admiration and unity, rather than division, hatred and terror.
The surge is part of a war that did not work, is not working and will never work. Wasn't it just yesterday and the day before that Bush and McCain said something to the effect that the invasion of a sovereign country was inappropriate for the 21st century? Hypocrites. The horrors of war are the horrors of war, no matter who wages them in no matter what country. The surge is not a black and white issue. It is honest NOT to express support for something he does not believe. Personal attacks like this are not issues, they are tactics that lower the bar on the issues dialogue. The dynamics between Obama and the Reverend run much deeper than political expediency and these cheap shots are not exactly honest either. Long-term, meaningful relationships between people who hold diametrically opposed ideals are nothing new. They happen in families all the time. Michelle and Obama were not in South Chicago as part of some clandestine black militant conspiracy. They were doing neighborhood outreach that paralleled many of Trinity church's programs. To dismiss this subject with even that one statement does not do this subject nearly the justice it deserves.
Here's that information void again. Fox and CNN played a sound byte out of context over and over and over and over. A fifth grader could recognize this as propaganda. This does not constitute "so much information," and in fact, is no information at all. To understand his relationship with Rev Wright and that church requires an open mind, knowledge of black history and of Obama's background and biography, a willingness to step out of a comfort zone long enough to face some harsh realities about race in America and most importantly, a desire to understand. Anyone who parrots the trash that Fox and CNN put out on this subject obviously does not possess those traits and will simply have to be left to fester in their own hatred. These statements are made with a very straight face.
The name calling also is not worth addressing. However, there are plenty of white folks and blacks alike who are not black liberationists who can plainly see that it is time to reign in the corruption of the corporations and all their "special" interests, with the "R" word (regulation). How exactly did Ken Lay and his ilk earn those obscene salaries and perks at the cost of those whose hard work stuffed huge profits into their pockets, and just how many lives did they destroy in the process? In a country of such vast wealth, the plight of the homeless, the depths of the poverty, the existence of hunger, the shrinking middle class, the job flight for the sake of endless corporate greed, the foreclosure rates and the health care crisis (just to name a few) are a national disgrace. What some call Marxism/socialism, others think of as simple, basic humanity. It is time for that one fundamental American value to be restored for all our sakes, once and for all.
I wasn't bashing you
I read your post above where you were claiming everyone was bashing you and you were innocent and just defending yourself. I just want you to know I read my post again and I was not bashing you in case you included me in the group of all the people bashing you.
However, here you are calling me a liar. You also are claiming I am not a religious person, and I'll quote you... "You obviously are not a religious person, but that does not mean you are not a moral person, does it?" First telling me I'm a liar and I'm not a religious person, while you may not call that bashing, I call it disrespectful. You don't know me or my religious background and I take offense to someone who makes judgement about me without knowing me.
You also do not know my viewpoints on abortion but are assuming I'm for it. I find abortion dispicable and vile and I posted that awhile back when you first posted about abortion. So don't assume anything.
And how hard is it to not read posts on abortion? Very hard when it seems to come up every day or two. And when its all in capital letters???
It's time to stop playing the victim saying everyone is picking on you and your tired of being attacked when your the one doing the attacking on others for not believing the way you do and not wanted to discuss abortion every day. I see a lot of people are tired of the subject but your answer is "If that chaps you, so be it".
I really do hope other political issues will be on this board so we can put the abortion subject behind us. Enough has been said about it and it's getting old.
skip the bashing for a second, sim
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note: this was in no way gay-bashing, as i am gay too,
but i just had to laugh at the mental image of a pitbull with lipstick, trying its best not to look like a 'klondyke'.
No bashing from me. Just agreement.
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How is this bashing Obama?
She gave you a quote--Obama's own words--and you're not getting it. He identifies with socialists and socialism. That IS the issue.
She lost...get over it. No need to keep bashing...nm
That was not necessary. Let's not start bashing again
Had enough of that before the election. She voiced an opinion. Let it rest.
I am not bashing - but the same can be said of hte pubs -
The bitter, bitter pubs are still bashing Obama instead of waiting and giving him a chance.
He is our next POTUS and he should be given the respect he is due in that position. Everybody should start with a clean slate - at least let him get started before you tear him down...
Here we go - bashing posters again
you claim the republicans bash and she's not bashing YOU ARE!!!!!!!
There's a difference between bashing and...(sm)
correcting a flat out lie, which is more often than not what we see from most pubs on here.
No bashing from me. I agree with you.
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Obama Bashing
I agree!!!
This is bashing AFTER the election....these are
Being against Obama doesn't mean I was for McCain. As far as I am concerned, if Ron Paul had been given the attention he deserved and TV time, he would have gotten his points across and sounded like the only one with any sense at all...
What Obama is doing now has EVERYTHING to do with what he is doing NOW, not before. The lies are taking place NOW! Sorry you feel we are just to lie down and take the Obama railroading that is happening in our country. Saying NOTHING WILL CHANGE is sad to hear.. with that attitude you darn right it won't change. If something isn't done NOW, heaven help us all the next 4 years..... look at the mess he's gotten us into in just a few weeks... can you just imagine the next 4 years?
Issues? Gourdpainter, his lies ARE the issues. One lie after the other. Surrounding himself with lobbylists after saying he would DO AWAY with them is a MAJOR issue.... that isn't a before the election thing, that is happening NOW!
Getting our troops out is a NOW thing... remember he said he would get them out pronto?! Not happening! His lies are a NOW thing; they happen on an ongoing basis. These are not issues BEFORE his election.... these were promises he made to GET elected and then he screwed us all over BIG TIME!
He yammered on about poor folks with no healthcare but his wife was quietly dumped out of her $317,000 a year job at a hospital that was receiving MILLIONS of dollars to help the POOR PEOPLE.... a program she headed up and seemingly had no sympathy for the poor black folks without healthcare! She was quietly released from her job.... a job that was done away with with no replacement for her.... doesn't that tell you her job wasn't a position that was necessary in the first place other than to dump indigent patients off on other hospitals? You don't think that is an issue NOW? It speaks volumes about these people. After all, Obama is still yammering on about his healthcare program and trying to ram it down my throat.... you think that's not an important NOW issue?
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