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I don't know who Ms Wilson is either, but

Posted By: fg on 2005-07-02
In Reply to: rove - va

Karl Rove is a charter member of the *axis of evil* and therefore one of the most dangerous men on earth (along with dubya, rumsfield, cheney, etc.)

My fondest desire is that they all get the worst case of incurable crabs the world has ever known, right along with a dose of the clap and chronic, unremitting insomnia. and maybe hangnails.


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Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
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Who is Ms.Wilson?
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ms wilson
Ms Wilson is Valerie Plame, a CIA operative who was outed by Karl Rove. 
rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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wilson versus rove
Ms. Wilson is Valerie Plame, she is married to Joseph Wilson.  She worked for the CIA but Rove gave her name to Robert Novak, thus jeopardizing her life. 
Long live Wilson
Give me a man who has had too many wives and did too many drugs rather than a man who has drank too many alcoholic drinks and snorted too much cocaine and sent us to an immoral illegal war based on lies and has killed almost 2,000 brave soldiers based on that lie and tens of thousand innocent Iraqs and injured mentally and physically thousand of Americans, stated he was a uniter not a divider but has divided this country in two and reduced our credibility and respect around the world and caused the biggest deficit America has ever had..yes, give me Joseph Wilson, a true American patriot, anyday..
Wilson gives speech in conservative Bakersfield

 


Bakersfield is a very conservative oil town. 









John Harte / The Californian


Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson speaks to an overflow crowd at CSUB Thursday night.



Critic of Bush earns support

Packed house at CSUB hears ex-envoy who disputed Iraqi war data

By CHRISTINA SOSA, Californian staff writer
e-mail: csosa@bakersfield.com


Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Last Updated: Friday October 21st, 2005, 7:52 AM

The audience overflowed the overflow room at Cal State Bakersfield's Doré Theatre on Thursday night and people had to settle for standing in the hall to hear former U.S. ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson speak.



 

Starlene Parson was one of more than 600 people who attended the free event, which was part of the Kegley Institute of Ethics' lecture series.


It was interesting that the audience was supportive of him, Parson said.

Even Wilson thought his visit to such a conservative town might be more problematic than the welcome reception he received.

I figured that if I was going to get a pie in the face, this would be the town, Wilson joked.

After a career of working with Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Wilson wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times in July 2003 disputing information current President Bush used to justify a war in Iraq.

I had a civic duty, and that civic duty was to call my government to account for what my government had said and done, Wilson said Thursday.

Days after Wilson's article, columnist Robert Novak revealed that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. The revelation prompted a nearly two-year federal grand jury investigation because Plame's role with the CIA was classified, and it may have been illegal to disclose it.

He called ruining his wife's cover a tawdry, cheap, dirty political trick.

Wilson's speech delved into the details of his work during the first Iraq war in the early 1990s, his investigation in Niger and his personal fight with the Bush administration after he came forward.

Wilson also stressed that while he may find himself more a friend to the left than the right these days, he has never seen national security as a partisan issue.

The real implications in all this are to our country and our status and stature in the world, Wilson said. It is our national status that is at play here, not our partisan status.

Attendee Harriet Morris was struck by how calmly Wilson presented his information and point of view.

What I liked about him is he was kind of low-key. There wasn't any anger, Morris said. There wasn't any angry rhetoric. He just kind of told the story, and the story is scary.

Before opening the floor to questions, Wilson ended his prepared speech with a call for vigilance from all Americans.

If you lay back ... and you allow others to make your decisions for you, then the chances are pretty good that you will find you have lost your republic, Wilson said.


didn't Gretchen Wilson perform there?
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You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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I have been trying to follow this Rove vs Wilson thing and I'm not sure what's going on, but I hope

they keep the pressure on, because IF our govt has behaved irresponsibly we need to know.


IMHO, Wilson discredits himself, if one takes a look at the facts.
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Bush angry with Rove for being CLUMSY in discrediting Wilson!






*But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.*


New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com

Bush whacked
Rove on CIA leak

BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005

WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.

He made his displeasure known to Karl, a presidential counselor told The News. He made his life miserable about this.

Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.

As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.

Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly.

Karl is fighting for his life, the official added, but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that.

Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.

Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said.

But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.

A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.

Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way, the source said.

None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak.

A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature of Fitzgerald's investigation.


Bush admits to directing cheney to discredit Joe Wilson.

At the time, officials told said that Plame's outing resulted in *severe* damage to her team and *significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.*  I guess personal kindergarten style paybacks are more important to Bush.  Just remember Bush's role in all this when he declares yet another war on Iran.



Bush Told Prosecutors He Directed Cheney to Discredit Joe Wilson


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


George W. Bush, 9/30/2003:


I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.


And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.


And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.


12/13/2005


Newspaper columnist Robert Novak is still not naming his source in the Valerie Plame affair, but he says he is pretty sure the name is no mystery to President Bush.


I'm confident the president knows who the source is, Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.


So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.'



07/03/2006


Reports: Plame Was Monitoring Iran Nukes When Outed
By E&P Staff
Published: May 02, 2006 10:55 AM ET


NEW YORK What was Valerie Plame working on at the CIA when she was outed by administration officials and columnist Robert Novak? MSNBC's David Schuster on Monday said he had confirmed an earlier report that she was helping to keep track of Iran's nuclear activity--not a front and center issue for the White House.

Earlier this year, Larisa Alexandrovna of the Web site RawStory.com, reported that Plame, whose covert status was compromised in the leak, was monitoring weapons proliferation in Iran. At the time, officials told her that Plame's outing resulted in severe damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.

On last night's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent Shuster reported that intelligence sources told him thatr Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources asserted, he said, that when here Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.


http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002426164


I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
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you dont even know me
Talk about generalizing.  LOL.  You dont know these posters, for pete sake.  Most of us are extremists?  Give me a break.  What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble?  Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
Dont lie, that is all
What are you even posting about?  A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned. 
so are u saying that you dont sin?
Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
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LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
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dont you have any

family or friends that you might think about for a while.  The victors of the election hold no truck with you.


 


I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
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I dont agree
I dont agree with the Supreme Idiot Court's decision on eminent domain, not at all..Such a wrong decision..However, I do feel when it comes to an adult woman, the decision over her body is hers and let her stand in judgment with her maker if the decision was wrong..I dont think a child has the right to an abortion without a parents consent, as painful as it will be to the child.  I hope they do take the Supreme Court Justices property away and build a darn hotel..we need to fight back, now, as our rights are being slowly taken away.
A christian, hun?? I dont think so

Robertson calls for assassination of Chavez


Televangelist calls Venezuelan president a ‘terrific danger’ to U.S.


you dont know what you are talking about
A xtian republican understanding jewish situations?  Oh please!  When it comes to jews, you do not know what you are talking about. 
Dont comment, please
A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
dont preach
Oh please, we also do not give sermons to other Americans how to act in a tragedy.  I blame whomever is at the helm of the ship when tragedy strikes.  I blame this administration for cuts in the federal money sent to states..I blame Bush for not knowing what the heck he is doing with this tragedy.  Even officials of FEMA are speaking out about no aid coming New Orleans way, too little too late and thankfully the people will remember this next November when we vote.  Please, do not try to tell others what we should and should not do.  The disaster could have been averted, if they had the money to reinforce the levees..but no, that money had to go to Iraq so we could kill more people..Have you helped the victims yet?  Well, I have..sniff..sniff..I smell a usual conservative poster to the liberal board using a different handle right now..is that you?? 
Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
Well, sweetie pie, if this liberal posting on a liberal board is bothering you..why dont you just mosey on back to the conservative board and then I wont be disturbing you?  No one is forcing you to come over here.  The disturbing thing, however, is that I fight back and debate  and will not let the neocon gang of three bully me.  Maybe it bothers you that you have met your match and that quite a few liberals are standing up to your nonsense..Getting to ya, huh?  Goooooooood..
I dont know who are you to insult

you.  I certainly do not know your husband.  I did not read your post, if you are referring to one, so if you take particular posts on a board as aimed solely at you, that is not my problem, but yours.


 


Yes! -and dont like to be mean, really, but "Barney"
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But YOU sure do, dont'cha?

gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
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dont fool yourself
I am a Christian also and always first.  I have been a Christian all of my life.  My father is a Baptist preacher.  I believe in Jesus and try to live my life for him.  Dont kid yourself that John McCain and Sarah Palin are moral.  There is not one, not one politician who is moral.  None of them run the country with God's plan in mind.  If they did, our world would not be like it is.  Obama is not saying that he agrees that abortion is okay because he passes a vote for it.  He is saying that a woman has the right to choose it for herself.  Would he choose abortion for his wife, NO.  But he doesnt feel that he should take the choice of free will from someone else.  God gave us free will to sin or not to sin.  We have the free will that God granted us to choose, choose Jesus, not choose Jesus.  We each, individually will be held accountable for our choices.  Why is giving someone a choice in a matter wrong?  It is what that person chooses that is right or wrong and they are the ones that have to answer for it. 
Once again Mrs M, you have it SO wrong and dont
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dont try 2 explain it to her... she cant get it
she keeps stating she is basing her reply off of the OP.  She doesnt understand how the board works and which post is the original.  That is why she is so confused and doesnt make sense to anyone.  I tried to explain it but she is to hateful to get it.  Just let it go, its not worth it.
sorry dont agree
you say this as Exxon Mobile has record profits just for this quarter.  Those record profits are made off of the backs of the working class, charging us over 4.00 for one gallon of gas.  I think they should pay more taxes, have less tax breaks or whatever it takes to help out the middle man.  I am spending a fortune in gas as inflation goes up but my paycheck stays the same.  My dollar is stretched beyond what a dollar is worth.  Meanwhile, they are stuffing their pockets with my money.  It makes me sick.
You believe Obama. Okay, well I dont.
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but i dont even bite!
i promise
Sorry... "should go to those". We dont need another
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YOU DONT KNOW THIS!. Debate going on ..they
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and I dont' find that bad-
President-Elect Obama moved into the house on the day it is customary for the President-Elect to move into the Blair house. It was already booked for functions well in advance and I think it would have been tacky for them to cancel the advance reservations.
the thing I dont get...
is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...

but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
the thing I dont get...
is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...

but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
The statistics lie then? Dont think so. They are
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I dont think she is judging her on her looks alone
And you cant post pics on the politics board...
no, i dont, that's why i asked
is it relating to the posts below?

because those were about someone's personality, not the way they looked.

Why are you trying to argue? all i asked was a question, if the OP wants to answer, that's fine, answer and we can have a discussion
Well, I sure to object to it. But, dont think anyone
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i dont believe those polls
How do u know those polls, any of them can be trusted?  You don't. 
again, I really dont believe ANY of those polls.
It's kinda like how they were saying our economy is fine but we all could feel that it wasn't. 
Dont you know? Under Obamamania, we are not
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