Wilson gives speech in conservative Bakersfield
Posted By: gt on 2005-10-21
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Bakersfield is a very conservative oil town.
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John Harte / The Californian
Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson speaks to an overflow crowd at CSUB Thursday night. |
Critic of Bush earns support
Packed house at CSUB hears ex-envoy who disputed Iraqi war data
By CHRISTINA SOSA, Californian staff writer
e-mail: csosa@bakersfield.com
Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Last Updated: Friday October 21st, 2005, 7:52 AM
The audience overflowed the overflow room at Cal State Bakersfield's Doré Theatre on Thursday night and people had to settle for standing in the hall to hear former U.S. ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson speak.
Starlene Parson was one of more than 600 people who attended the free event, which was part of the Kegley Institute of Ethics' lecture series.
It was interesting that the audience was supportive of him, Parson said.
Even Wilson thought his visit to such a conservative town might be more problematic than the welcome reception he received.
I figured that if I was going to get a pie in the face, this would be the town, Wilson joked.
After a career of working with Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Wilson wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times in July 2003 disputing information current President Bush used to justify a war in Iraq.
I had a civic duty, and that civic duty was to call my government to account for what my government had said and done, Wilson said Thursday.
Days after Wilson's article, columnist Robert Novak revealed that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. The revelation prompted a nearly two-year federal grand jury investigation because Plame's role with the CIA was classified, and it may have been illegal to disclose it.
He called ruining his wife's cover a tawdry, cheap, dirty political trick.
Wilson's speech delved into the details of his work during the first Iraq war in the early 1990s, his investigation in Niger and his personal fight with the Bush administration after he came forward.
Wilson also stressed that while he may find himself more a friend to the left than the right these days, he has never seen national security as a partisan issue.
The real implications in all this are to our country and our status and stature in the world, Wilson said. It is our national status that is at play here, not our partisan status.
Attendee Harriet Morris was struck by how calmly Wilson presented his information and point of view.
What I liked about him is he was kind of low-key. There wasn't any anger, Morris said. There wasn't any angry rhetoric. He just kind of told the story, and the story is scary.
Before opening the floor to questions, Wilson ended his prepared speech with a call for vigilance from all Americans.
If you lay back ... and you allow others to make your decisions for you, then the chances are pretty good that you will find you have lost your republic, Wilson said.
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protest in bakersfield
One other thing this morning (Im raring to go this morning..smile). I live close to Bakersfield, CA, and today they are having a memorial for a serviceman who died in Iraq. There is a church in Topeka, Kansas who is coming to Bakersfield and going to protest the memorial and burial cause they say this war is because America has accepted ****fags**** and until we come back to God's way, American military will die. I MEAN IS THIS FREAKING READY FOR A 5150 OR WHAT???? This is super crazy. Oh geez, what the heck is happening to MY America?? Absolute nuts, that is what they are. Plus, why are they picking on Bakersfield, a central CA rural town?
Who is Ms.Wilson?
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I don't know who Ms Wilson is either, but
Karl Rove is a charter member of the *axis of evil* and therefore one of the most dangerous men on earth (along with dubya, rumsfield, cheney, etc.)
My fondest desire is that they all get the worst case of incurable crabs the world has ever known, right along with a dose of the clap and chronic, unremitting insomnia. and maybe hangnails.
ms wilson
Ms Wilson is Valerie Plame, a CIA operative who was outed by Karl Rove.
wilson versus rove
Ms. Wilson is Valerie Plame, she is married to Joseph Wilson. She worked for the CIA but Rove gave her name to Robert Novak, thus jeopardizing her life.
Long live Wilson
Give me a man who has had too many wives and did too many drugs rather than a man who has drank too many alcoholic drinks and snorted too much cocaine and sent us to an immoral illegal war based on lies and has killed almost 2,000 brave soldiers based on that lie and tens of thousand innocent Iraqs and injured mentally and physically thousand of Americans, stated he was a uniter not a divider but has divided this country in two and reduced our credibility and respect around the world and caused the biggest deficit America has ever had..yes, give me Joseph Wilson, a true American patriot, anyday..
didn't Gretchen Wilson perform there?
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"kill him" speech is not acceptable free speech - it is against the law - nm
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I have been trying to follow this Rove vs Wilson thing and I'm not sure what's going on, but I hope
they keep the pressure on, because IF our govt has behaved irresponsibly we need to know.
IMHO, Wilson discredits himself, if one takes a look at the facts.
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Bush angry with Rove for being CLUMSY in discrediting Wilson!
*But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.*
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com |
Bush whacked
Rove on CIA leak
BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005
WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.
He made his displeasure known to Karl, a presidential counselor told The News. He made his life miserable about this.
Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.
As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.
Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly.
Karl is fighting for his life, the official added, but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that.
Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.
Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said.
But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.
A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.
Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way, the source said.
None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak.
A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature of Fitzgerald's investigation. |
Bush admits to directing cheney to discredit Joe Wilson.
At the time, officials told said that Plame's outing resulted in *severe* damage to her team and *significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.* I guess personal kindergarten style paybacks are more important to Bush. Just remember Bush's role in all this when he declares yet another war on Iran.
Bush Told Prosecutors He Directed Cheney to Discredit Joe Wilson
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
George W. Bush, 9/30/2003:
I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.
And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.
And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.
12/13/2005
Newspaper columnist Robert Novak is still not naming his source in the Valerie Plame affair, but he says he is pretty sure the name is no mystery to President Bush.
I'm confident the president knows who the source is, Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.
So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.'
07/03/2006
Reports: Plame Was Monitoring Iran Nukes When Outed
By E&P Staff
Published: May 02, 2006 10:55 AM ET
NEW YORK What was Valerie Plame working on at the CIA when she was outed by administration officials and columnist Robert Novak? MSNBC's David Schuster on Monday said he had confirmed an earlier report that she was helping to keep track of Iran's nuclear activity--not a front and center issue for the White House.
Earlier this year, Larisa Alexandrovna of the Web site RawStory.com, reported that Plame, whose covert status was compromised in the leak, was monitoring weapons proliferation in Iran. At the time, officials told her that Plame's outing resulted in severe damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.
On last night's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent Shuster reported that intelligence sources told him thatr Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources asserted, he said, that when here Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002426164
Conservative vs true conservative
The Conservative:
I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government, except for:
1. Social Security;
2. Medicare;
3. Medicaid;
4. Welfare;
5. Drug laws;
6. Public schooling;
7. Federal grants;
8. Economic regulations;
9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls;
10. Federal Reserve System;
11. Paper money;
12. Income taxation and the IRS;
13. Trade restrictions;
14. Immigration controls;
15. Foreign aid;
16. Foreign wars of aggression;
17. Foreign occupations;
18. An overseas military empire;
19. A standing army and a military industrial complex;
20. Infringements on civil liberties;
21. Military detentions and denial of due process and jury trials for
citizens
and non-citizens accused of crimes;
22. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners;
23. Secret kidnappings and renditions to brutal foreign regimes for
purposes of torture;
24. Secret torture centers around the world;
25. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings;
26. Warrantless wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens;
27. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of
national security;
28. Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.
The Libertarian (true conservative):
I'm a libertarian. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government. Period. No exceptions.
USA is hardly conservative (ha!)
and no I'm not unsettled. I am firm and settled in my beliefs. You can live in your dreamworld that the conservatives are coming unglued, but you are living in an alternate universe.
USA right leaning. You gave a good laugh!
If you think CNN is at all conservative....
'Nuff said. LOL.
What exactly is the conservative way?
I'd much rather be a conservative....
than an "anything goes" liberal. Yeah, we make mistakes sometimes, and we're not perfect, but at least we have a goal we're striving for. And for every conservative you ridicule, I could name 5 liberals that did the same thing but the media doesn't make a big thing about it. Of course, if it's a conservative, it's broadcast 24/7 - like Sanford - but the Edwards affair was actually covered up by the mainstream media and got no attention until the National Enquirer forced it into the open. Selective outrage, anyone?
What about what YOU said on the conservative board?
I try not to visit the bog of eternal stench. Funny though...sm
The very people who whine about "intelligent debate" now have whole threads devoted to crying to their mommy about being asked to be respectful. Pitiful.
Pardon ME?! Who ever said I was a conservative? sm
Why would you assume so very much. There were a lot of posts pro and con by veterans. The post I quoted was one that struck me because I was born and raised in Oklahoma and it was a soldier from Oklahoma. My goodness, what a huge brouhaha over one simple little post. Well, I certainly won't post here again.
Very easy to tell you're no conservative
or else you'd have mastered the art of "twisting" and wouldn't have such high regard for the truth.
Lesson 1: Visit the Conservative Board and study closely.
(Lesson 2 will follow as soon as you have successfully completed Lesson 1.)
Didn't you know that as a conservative....
We feel like well, if whoever nominates another liberal, well who knows what will happen. Half the country is happy to have a progressive and worry about another conservative, and half the country feels the same way about another liberal. From my observation, the liberals are so worried about conservative activism, when liberal activism is running rampant. Even in Vermont, The People did not vote for civil unions. Gay marriage wouldn't be voted in by We The People in ANY state, so activist judges are foisting it on us, state by state.
get on back conservative
So, conservative in liberal clothing poster, what is this post supposed to mean? You believe in a god..good for you, I believe in my god too and more power to the ones who dont believe in a god..To each their own..See, that is how liberals believe, to each their own, and by your post you show everyone you are truly not a liberal, you are a false poster, a conservative posting as a liberal..Bye, bye, sweetie..get on back to the conservative board.
This page alone looks like there are more conservative.sm
posts on here than liberal, if not the number would be pretty darn close.
I am more libertarian/conservative.sm
The conservatives in office now are too extreme for me in many areas.
No, he is not conservative - he is neoconservative. sm
There is a difference. Though he claims to be a conservative and christian, his policies and actions indicate otherwise. I think he might have a bit of difficulty getting into the pearly gates.
Same old conservative arguments
Well, if the posts of Democrat Liberals bother you so much (as seems to be from reading your posts), you dont have to post or read them here. I must remind you, this is the Liberal board. I look forward to read dialogue with the opposite view point, however, bringing up the same arguments is getting a bit old.
Take it to the conservative board.
You apparently have issues that are not going to be solved by endless bashing on a liberal board.
Although I may not like the rules on this board I am mature and courteous enough to at least try to follow them.
How liberal or conservative are you...sm
Take a quiz. You might be surprised, I know I was. I am an independent, who through the years, have become more conservative. However, I'm surprised I even have any liberal views anymore. Interesting stuff.
Put aside your differences, have some fun, and see what you find about yourself.
http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouquiz/
My political profile is:
Overall 80% conservative, 20% liberal
Social issues: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
Personal responsibility: 50% conservative, 50% liberal
Fiscal issues: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
Ethics: 50% conservative, 50% liberal
Defense and crime: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
george will, conservative
icon, declares McCain temprament unfit for presidency. You don't get any more conservative than George Will. Meanwhile, Sara P has pictures taken with foreign leaders but absolutely no questions allowed. Photo op.
Okay, here it is from NPR.....NOT a conservative site by any...
stretch:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93954519
Slate (definitely NOT conservative)....
describes Pelosi as lacking substance and policy smarts (sound vaguely familiar?).
She said: "I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels," she said at one point. Natural gas "is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels," she said at another. Natural gas IS a fossil fuel. Hello.
That is just a couple. She hs been in the public eye at the federal level for how many years? Palin has been on the federal level how long? A month?????
Some people really have a problem with plain-spoken people. Me, not so much. I fully understand what "get my head around Putin's" means. Trying to understand him. Or like McCain said: I looked in his eyes and saw KGB. Yup...I think John was right.
Did you happen to see the interview Obama did with O'Reilly? He did exactly the same thing. He would give some nuanced non-answer and when O'Reilly pressed him, he kept repeating it over and over. But I suppose since he did using the "proper" words, somehow that is more accetapble to you? And he is running for the TOP spot, not the #2 spot.
I am probably 1/2 liberal, 1/2 conservative
I don't think I'm particularly dense, just able to sort fact from fiction.
It's not about conservative vs. liberal.
It is about responsibility and accountability and right vs. wrong with regard to using fear and hate to influence people. Rovian politics with its "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality will hopefully become a thing of the past.
As a conservative, I disagree.
"Smaller government and lower taxes" is one of those slogans that our side slings around but doesn't have any real meaning that allows us to defend it.
You can't just say such things without defining your terms. How small should government be? How low should taxes be? Government - at every level - DOES have a critical role to play in the life of this nation. We could never defend ourselves from foreign enemies, create a nationwide system of roads, or even coordinate interstate commerce among the states if not for federal government. You'd be paying tariffs on everything produced in other states, for instance.
We need law enforcement agencies that operate at every level of government. We need coordinated programs to help deal with problems like unemployment. We need to know that our food and our drugs are safe.
A better slogan would be "Only as much government as needed to do the relatively few things that government does well, and only the taxes needed to support it."
So? The EU parliament just went conservative.
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the speech
I heard, I am very old and I suffered greatly at the hands of the enemy. Did I ever tell you I was a POW? I suffered greatly. Please feel sorry for me and vote for me. I deserve it. I suffered greatly. No economic plan, no health insurance plan, just I suffered greatly. Sarah's speech was John suffered greatly. No one else has suffered as much as he. Joe Biden's loss of family members and Obama's struggle with identity because of being mixed race do not qualify. This is an election about the issues of the american people not a Queen for A Day episode where the person with the saddest story gets a new washing machine.
The Speech to Nowhere
http://www.truthout.org/article/palins-speech-nowhere
Anybody see O's speech about
10:30 this morning? If he can accomplish half of what he talked about, I'll have a little more faith in him.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/president-to-ta.html
These posts were on the conservative board
where we are free to talk about the extreme hatefulness coming from this board. However, when some people wish the president dead...well that's bordering on a THREAT to the president. I actually be afraid to post things like that. You might receive a friendly knock on the door from the FBI.
Again, There were trolls on the liberal board (no consistent moniker that's the first thing that gives trolls away) posting VERY NASTY replies anytime a conservative posted anything on THEIR OWN BOARD. It takes a lot nerve to argue with the administrator of this board who can delete you and ban you for any reason. It is a private board BTW no public doman. Many of you have been stalking on the conservative board for weeks. You have been posting near threats on the president....what do you expect the administrator to do!? Start talking about real subjects and quit having a hate fest over here and you might find the administrator a little more sympathetic to your plight....
I believe your key point is that it was on the CONSERVATIVE board. sm
I did not post it here and I did not post it THERE in response to a liberal poster. It is no worse than what is being said HERE about THERE. And this could go on ad infinitum and serve no purpose whatsoever.
And those of us who are conservative are living in fear that...
our courts will further erode our society to the point that everything goes. Heck, one third of the country already has to live with the notion that their 12-year-old can consent to an abortion without our knowledge (thanks to the 6th circuit court in California, legalize gay marriage without letting "we the people" decide how we want our society (yes, 78% of Americans are against it), and I could go on and on. Do you like the fact that another priviate citizen can now take your property just because HIS use of that property would generate more income for the government? Sounds like socialism is rapidly becoming fascism to me. You can thank the imminent domain decision to those wonderful progressives on the court. Yes, let's hope we get another Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court so our country can continue it's slide down the toilet.
You are welcome on the conservative board any time! SM
 Come on over!
He has already met with her. See article on Conservative board.
How many times is he supposed to meet with her?
The conservative board is quiet because SM
you and your bully friends made numerous and repeated drive-by postings. Do you know what a drive-by is. It's where you go merely to harrass and cause dissention and then scoot on back over here and brag about it. If you behaved like this in your own personal life, you be shunned and ridiculed. Instead, you and your friends here fall into that dysfunctional class of people who can only be tough on-line.
The conservative goons are all over the TV trying to discredit
what the two democratic governers of Arizona and New Mexico are doing. I can't believe it.
In light of the republican president and republican senate and house doing NOTHING about the problem, they have no room to talk.
At least these guys are on the ball.
Come no over to the conservative board. We'd love to have you! nm
conservative board..YIPES..no thanks
I do not frequent the conservative board, as it would make my blood boil and I have enough to deal with you conservatives on the liberal board, LOL, However, as many Marines that you show me enjoy war and blood shed and illegal occupation of Iraq and war without end, I will show you Marines and Army and Navy and National Guard, et al., who are horrified by what we are doing and have been forever changed because of Bush's illegal, immoral, criminal war.
Perhaps I would *obey* that, but you do it on the conservative board.
So we are expected to stay off this board and you can bash on the conservative board. Just trying to get the rules straight here.
Why do you call them conservative items? SM
Because they don't say what you want them to? Because you personally know the author and they are conservative? Why? So sorry to disturb the hatefest and nice touch up there Anon, yeah let them steal guns and shoot the military trying to HELP THEIR SORRY A**ES. Oh, and the raping, too. I guess they are entitled to that, as well. The world has gone mad and you sit and cheer. God Save us.
Yet another conservative LIE Brunson Burnout.
Sincere apologies, wrong board. NM
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In Reply to: They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby
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get back to the conservative board
LOLOLOLOLOLO, dont like it? Dont read the posts..simple as that, deary. As far as my posts are the worst, LMFAO..You, child, have not visited other political boards as mine are calm compared to others but, **BIG SIGH**, I realize you are one of the three who always come on this board from the conservative one..cant stay on your own board, gotta come here and start trouble..So, to you who posts here all the time, get back to the dinosaur, backward thinking conservative board and leave the liberal board alone..Bye, bye, sweetheart..
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