Long live Wilson

• Wilson gives speech in conservative Bakersfield - gt
  • and this wise speech comes from a man - LOL
    • Long live Wilson - gt
      • I guess our definitions of a Patriot differs - LOL
        • Yes.. - gt
    • That's the only line you took from the speech...sm - Democrat
      • I stand corrected - LOL

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I live in Wisconsin and am often also in Minnesota.

No, I'm not a stalker or a weirdo (my opinion, anyway).

Bakersfield is a very conservative oil town. 

John Harte / The Californian Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson speaks to an overflow crowd at CSUB Thursday night.

Critic of Bush earns support

Packed house at CSUB hears ex-envoy who disputed Iraqi war data

By CHRISTINA SOSA, Californian staff writer
e-mail: csosa@bakersfield.com

Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Last Updated: Friday October 21st, 2005, 7:52 AM

The audience overflowed the overflow room at Cal State Bakersfield's Doré Theatre on Thursday night and people had to settle for standing in the hall to hear former U.S. ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson speak.

Starlene Parson was one of more than 600 people who attended the free event, which was part of the Kegley Institute of Ethics' lecture series.

It was interesting that the audience was supportive of him, Parson said.

Even Wilson thought his visit to such a conservative town might be more problematic than the welcome reception he received.

I figured that if I was going to get a pie in the face, this would be the town, Wilson joked.

After a career of working with Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Wilson wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times in July 2003 disputing information current President Bush used to justify a war in Iraq.

I had a civic duty, and that civic duty was to call my government to account for what my government had said and done, Wilson said Thursday.

Days after Wilson's article, columnist Robert Novak revealed that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. The revelation prompted a nearly two-year federal grand jury investigation because Plame's role with the CIA was classified, and it may have been illegal to disclose it.

He called ruining his wife's cover a tawdry, cheap, dirty political trick.

Wilson's speech delved into the details of his work during the first Iraq war in the early 1990s, his investigation in Niger and his personal fight with the Bush administration after he came forward.

Wilson also stressed that while he may find himself more a friend to the left than the right these days, he has never seen national security as a partisan issue.

The real implications in all this are to our country and our status and stature in the world, Wilson said. It is our national status that is at play here, not our partisan status.

Attendee Harriet Morris was struck by how calmly Wilson presented his information and point of view.

What I liked about him is he was kind of low-key. There wasn't any anger, Morris said. There wasn't any angry rhetoric. He just kind of told the story, and the story is scary.

Before opening the floor to questions, Wilson ended his prepared speech with a call for vigilance from all Americans.

If you lay back ... and you allow others to make your decisions for you, then the chances are pretty good that you will find you have lost your republic, Wilson said.

they keep the pressure on, because IF our govt has behaved irresponsibly we need to know.

At the time, officials told said that Plame's outing resulted in *severe* damage to her team and *significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.*  I guess personal kindergarten style paybacks are more important to Bush.  Just remember Bush's role in all this when he declares yet another war on Iran.

Bush Told Prosecutors He Directed Cheney to Discredit Joe Wilson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

George W. Bush, 9/30/2003:

I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.

And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.

And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.

12/13/2005

Newspaper columnist Robert Novak is still not naming his source in the Valerie Plame affair, but he says he is pretty sure the name is no mystery to President Bush.

I'm confident the president knows who the source is, Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.

So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.'

07/03/2006

Reports: Plame Was Monitoring Iran Nukes When Outed
By E&P Staff
Published: May 02, 2006 10:55 AM ET

NEW YORK What was Valerie Plame working on at the CIA when she was outed by administration officials and columnist Robert Novak? MSNBC's David Schuster on Monday said he had confirmed an earlier report that she was helping to keep track of Iran's nuclear activity--not a front and center issue for the White House.

Earlier this year, Larisa Alexandrovna of the Web site RawStory.com, reported that Plame, whose covert status was compromised in the leak, was monitoring weapons proliferation in Iran. At the time, officials told her that Plame's outing resulted in severe damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.

On last night's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent Shuster reported that intelligence sources told him thatr Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources asserted, he said, that when here Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002426164

We just get a might testy when a board specifically set up for our group is invaded by people who just want to name call, endlessly recycle false propanganda, and obsess over foibles.  Separate but equal, I say.  You can go to the conservatve board and just rehash and regurgitate all 10 Fox talking points and you won't be bothered by me, rest assured.

maybe. could be.  Some say.  It was reported that. 

have a father that retired from General Motors and have a lot of friends that have either retired from there or currently work there, it is a big combination of blame.  I blame the union, General Motors and the employees for letting a lot of this happen.  GM paid the "fat cats" (that is what they are called around here) big money for skilled trades for them to sit around and do nothing, literally nothing.  It is a big joke around here that some go and clock in and turn around and go straight to a bar and then go back to clock out.  If they are needed, someone will call their cell and let them know they are needed. 

It has been common for years to allow employees to work 70/80 hour weeks, massive overtime and my father was one of them.  He was making over $130k a year, if not more when he retired.  I know it was hard physically on him to do it, but he said that he mostly read on the job and exercised.  A friend's husband goes to work to sleep.

I am not saying that everyone does this, but a majority of them do and it is a real shame.  I know the ones on the lines cannot do it, but the skilled trades can and do.  If the salaried employees complain, then the union gets involved and they still get to keep their jobs no matter how many times they are written up.  It takes a lot to get an employee fired. 

Just think, something breaks on the line, so they call in the skilled trades guy who has been at the bar drinking, he comes and fixes whatever is wrong, creating a quality problem and then GM has to charge so much money to cover the expenses.  And we wonder why they are over priced? And they want to be bailed out?  No thank you!

The GM execs have been getting millions of dollars in bonuses for years as well and the employees get a nice check before Xmas as well for a bonus.  They should have been like any other company and budgeted their money.  Shame on them.  If they had quality vehicles at a reasonable price, people wouldn't be buying foreign cars.  I personally do drive a GM vehicle because of the discount that I get from my dad.  Otherwise, I would probably be buying foreign as well, you get what you pay for. 

Sorry to rant, but living in a GM town and not working there, you can get a different perspective on things than what is shown in the news/media.  Forgive me if I have offended anyone.