I sort of agree with you, but I think.....sm

• If McCain/Palin win this election, - then you can pretty much count on
  • Applause!!!!!! - nm
  • you don't know this - this just irritates me - me
    • Christians do that, not Muslims. - Give me a break!
      • no, no, that's not what I meant - sorry, will try to explain myself - me
      • BINGO... that's why the rabid Religious Right does - NOT belong in the White House.
        • The major difference between Christians and... - sam
          • oh, REALLY? So snipers or bombs taking out - OB surgeons doesn't count?
            • Sigh. nm - sam
              • Last-worditis. - (again)
    • Geez.... RANT ON! - i hear Prozac helps this alot. (nm)
      • you agree with the op? - me
        • I agree that if McCain/Palin win this one, - we're all up s___ creek.
          • and others feel the same way with Obama - me
  • and would you be 1 of those people that claim the - other side uses "scare tactics?" -hypocritic
    • I think Palin IS a scare tactic. She & her fellow - Christian soldier goons scare those of us who
      • You need to read up on the forefathers... - sam
        • Christians who had the good sense to MANDATE - secular legislative process...sm
        • HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN..... - sm
          • If he ever was a Christian, he certainly renounced it.... - sam
            • The Nazis and Adolf Hitler are commonly thought of as representing the antithesis of Christianity an - sm
            • Last-worditis - nm
    • All I'm stating is that this election may determine - U.S. viability in the future.
  • Hear, Hear! - A voice of reason. szq
    • "Voice of reason"? Now, how do you get that out of - the post? Just the opposite in my opinion.nm
      • More like a voice of scare tactics. - ermt
        • No scare tactics. Just pointing out that we don't live - under a big, bulletproof plastic bubble.
  • you got it!! - Sue
    • Amen! Did you see today that the polls...sm - oldtimer
      • Must be the boobs and the lipstick on - that pitbull.........
      • There has been a big swing in past few days of - women going for McCain-Palin. nm
        • Not true. This is the latest poll, figures submitted just today. nm - oldtimer
          • See inside for link. - oldtimer
          • no, not true - sm
            • There has been a big swing to McCain in... - sam
        • Hillary is probably behind the scenes saying. - "I told you so!" nm
  • Republicans - Lee
  • I MEANT 'not LONG after' - I can't type - worth *#s& this morning!
    • All I can say is, I completely disagree with you! - and not just voting for "the woman".nm
      • Actually, I will be MUCH more worried about - National Security if Obama is elected!.nm
        • If the rest of the world doesn't hate us quite as bad, - we probably won't need it as much.
        • At least he won't select the Arab emirates to protect our ports - nm
        • Think diplomacy. Try it. You might like it. - Beats the pants off of war. amfm
          • I dont WANT war. Dont judge me! - but wont negotiate with terrorists either!. nm
            • Since when does talking with other country leaders - equal 'negotiate with terrorists?'
        • Me too! I think Obama is the scary one (sm) - Me
          • I sort of agree with you, but I think.....sm - Me too
            • YOU MAKE OVER $250,000 a year - sm
              • I never said I made $250K a year... where did you get that from my post?...sm - Me too
                • You won't pay more taxes - sm
                  • I understand the payroll tax on only over $250K....sm - Me too
                    • You need to talk to someone who has - sm
            • Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm - oldtimer
          • 'Good head on her shoulders?' She can't see past the - windshield of her own snowmobile.
          • You hit the nail on the head regarding Obama. - sam
          • Yes, and Obama has at least 1 friend - who is our enemy. Scary. nm
            • And the Repubs don't? - ?

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ORGANIZE the whole volunteer process, you know?  I'm sure there'll be lots of green stuff to learn, like how to rat out your dumb, stubborn parents for using the wrong kind of light bulbs.  How to spot non-organic produce.  We'll love it.  It'll be great.  You'll see!  Soon we'll wonder how we ever got along without it.

And in the words of Ronald Reagan (yeah, another dead guy...everybody get over it, OK?)   'A government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever know on this earth.'

What, in your opinion, originally defined right behavior from wrong behavior? 

This not only applies to the discussion below but also any wrong behavior such as stealing, murder, rape, or any one of the other blights on the face of mankind.  Please explain your answer citing whatever source of information supports your argument. 

That explains Bush's exclusion on that list.  How embarrassed and ashamed should America be to see the leader of another, presumably poorer country try to provide humanitarian aid to Americans because our own president believes humanitarian aid begins with oil companies and ends with those intent on eliminating American freedom?

I wonder if he views our president as an oppressor and if he plans to invade and occupy our country to save us from Bush and to spread his superior form of government to the United States. 

Sorry.  I was just being silly.  No credible leader in the world would ever do anything like THAT.....WOULD HE????

The economic summit was held behind closed doors.  The politicians on both sides are probably gleefully aware that the American people are so busy blaming Democrats/Republicans they can't take time to see what is really going on.  BOTH parties are to blame.  I expect Bush made a deal behind closed doors and he'll pass it off to Obama who will continue.  My opinion is we are no longer a free nation, we just haven't been informed of the new rules yet.  He who has the gold rules and the foreign nations certainly have the gold. I don't personally expect Obama to make any great change, I just hope he will change some things that he can which might actually benefit the middle class but I honestly doubt it.  WE, the "sheeple" have let this great country get in this condition and WE are going to have to fix it...if it isn't too late.  I expect our forefathers are turning in their graves because of how we've squandered the freedom they fought and died to give us.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Sharpton_Post_editor_insulting_public_with_0219.html

Ironically (LOL), when I read some posts on this board denying this is blatant racism by the Post, the mental image I get is this (hoping it prints):

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.

It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.

I almost feel for some of these people.  A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor.  Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7.  I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them.  All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.

Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries.  They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods.  About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.

Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.

With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope.  I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.

And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today.  The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."

I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made.  But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy.  Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.

Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned.  I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT.  If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters.  Am I painting that picture correctly GT?

I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican. 

As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work.  The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help.  Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency. 

I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work.  If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that.  But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working.  Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.

I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..

I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it.  I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq.  O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there.  I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest:  The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.

And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.

I also agree about Cheney.  He's very scary.  There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own.  And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*.  For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers.  If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example).  Nothing is out of bounds any more.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 

Bush and his military brass treated this family horribly.  They did nothing but lie about everything.  (Big surprise, huh?)

They tried to use Pat Tillman as their poster child for recruiting purposes, but Tillman wouldn't agree to be used that way.

When I think if the incredible courage and integrity Pat Tillman had and I look at what a coward Bush was when it came to fighting in a war and what a lying sack of crap he is today, it's easy to see who the REAL man is, and it just makes me want to spit on Bush.