McCain has been saying the same thing Obama has been saying...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-29
In Reply to: I didn't bash her AND STOP SHOUTING AT ME - double standards
politics as usual in Washington needs to stop...Obama chose a 30-year plus washington insider and McCain could not havechosen someone much further from washington politics. He has bucked his party when he felt they were not representing their members as they should and so has she. She cleaned up a good ol'boy nest of corruption in Alaska, where, I might add, she enjoys an 80% favorability rating, and that is unheard of. I don't think 80% of Alaskans are Republican. That means to me she is a great governor and certainly knows what she is doing.
She is young..like Obama. She represents change from Washington poltiics...like Obama. She comes from meager beginnings...like Obama. She served in City council (Obama served as community organizer). She served as mayor. She has served as governor. She has a beautiful family. So does OBama.
What means the most to me is one part of her speech no one really made a big deal about, but it spoke volumes to me. She said you should serve with a servant's heart. She has demonstrated she will buck her party to clean it up, and if it comes to party or her constituents, her constituents trump the party. That means a LOT to me. That means she cares about the little people and it is not just words, it is actions. McCain has done the same. I have admired her greatly for a long time, and i think she is exactly what America needs in washington.
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McCain seems to have a thing for
The tiny community observation is aimed at the scope of the bulk of her political experience, not the community at large. Do not consider the town to be full of "little people." You said that, not I. So much for that tired elitist accusation. What I am saying is that questioning her scope of awareness is legitimate when assessing her experience and expertise. So let's check out a few more stats while we are at it.
Alaska's population is 683,478 by 2007 estimates, approximately equivalent to the population of Austin, Texas. We have 15 cities, 47 states and 1 territory in America with larger populations than that. This is not a slam, as much as you would like to portray it that way. Take offense if you like, but fact remains that the highest office she attained and held for less than 2 years presides over a colloquial microcosm of the total picture, especially in terms of local issues she may or may not be familiar with versus the larger picture out there when elevating her clean past the US rep and Senate positions, clear on up to the #2, and God forbid, ultimately #1 spot in the nation.
This is a legitimate concern, offense or no offense. On the ethics issue, highly unlikely that even her own party cronies will be much impressed or interested in her applying her vast experience in that area to their own coveted positions. So if that is essentially all she's got, just how much do you think they will take her seriously? This choice of McCain's is a political decision based on a multitude of his own weaknesses.
Actual executive experience? Doing what? Kicking corrupt behinds? Reversing her predecessor's initiatives? Becoming the subject of a legislative investigation on abuse of power charges? What does this have to do with the mountains of national and international issues she would be facing with virtually no clue as number 2 or number 1? Her approval rating in Alaska does not help her out much in this regard, but it does look nice on paper, just like the celebrity of being the first woman, the youngest woman, etc. Debates? Biden? Bring 'em on. Can't wait for that.
I am not dissing or praising whistleblowers of any persuasion. I am pointing out that even though he gave her a token appointment (just like McCain is doing) the gov did not exactly have a whole lot of respect for her work. What makes you think that situation is going to improve in DC, and especially with regard to McCain's motives, which DO count and should not be dismissed so casually. He needs Hillary's cross-overs. This is a blatent bid for them. It appears that there is not a whole lot more to it than that. She will end up being nothing more than a Stepford Wife, but at least it should look real pretty... she and Cindy next to one another playing follow the leader behind McCain. Otherwise, how much REAL progress for women does this really represent? The other poster was right on when voicing concern over exploitation.
As for your parting shot in the foot, the democrats will make no apologies for Obama choosing someone who will know exactly what to do with that call (as #2 or #1). As for seeking advice from his VP, Obama would be shortchanging us all if he did not. He's the one with the vision, which by itself may just get him elected…Joe Biden, the experience. It would be an inexcusable waste of talent not to use him in that capacity. Obama is enough of a leader and enough of a man not to feel threatened or somehow diminished when seeking opinions from advisors (and from the public, for that matter)….another really good reason to vote for him.
One thing I do like about McCain is I think he is serious...
on cutting spending and changing the way Washington operates as far as lobbying and pork...and the way the economy is, we HAVE to cut spending. We have no choice. There is NO MONEY for a billions of dollars government health care, even if a person wanted such a thing.
So my vote is not strictly against Obama...I do think some good things will come out of a McCain/Palin win. No so Obama/Biden.
It would be the same thing if McCain had won.
He didn't say he could fix anything because he has no answers except to continue the same old same old.
She or McCain is the worst thing that
could happen to this country. If she or McCain gets in the WH, we are done, gonzo, and the middle class' problems will be magnified. Get ready people. There is something in the air with the Clintons. Scary stuff, and not at all democratic society we knew before 9/11/01. Obama took all of them by surprise, that the people are in some way rebelling from the present way things are done in Wash. Now they don't know what to do about him. Scary.for Obama too.
John McCain said the same thing on 10/11/2007 sm
He said Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan was "eerily reminiscent" of the plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s and said "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
Here is 1 thing I found on McCain and outsourcing
that I posted about yesterday. I am still trying to find some info to support what Sam had said about tax breaks so the companies can come back and hire US workers. Even though I think that him saying that or thinking that is such a piece. When you give tax breaks to these companies they are going to keep the tax breaks and continue to use cheaper workers from other companies. There is no real incentive, or provision to make them, hire US workers.
A quote from the below article from McCain to possibly support that thought:
"I can't tell you these jobs are ever coming back. The old jobs aren't coming back"
http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/
The only thing Obama did was
give an order. I commend him for letting the Navy Seals do what they did but the true heroes are the Navy Seals.
The only thing I see out of Obama
is nothing but lie after lie. I've listed on this forum many times the lies that Obama has told. He also just told another recently with these investigations into harsh interrogations. He said he wouldn't go after people and now he has totally flip flopped on the subject which I think is sad. He says he wants to move forward but you can't move forward by constantly dragging up the past. I'm very saddened that our current administration is going to go after people who kept us safe and also prevented a follow-up attack. How many people in LA would have been killed if they had not done this? They kept us safe and now we are attacking them.....that's nice.
Only God truly knows Obama's heart and what he stands for but I cannot handle the blatant lies coming out of that man's mouth. I know politicians lie to get elected and all that jazz but he has just lied about so much and yet the biased news media and his kool-aid drinking followers look right past it and refuse to see what is right in front of them.
Sorry, Palin ain't my thing.....neither is Obama
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The thing about Obama wiggling, as you so....sm
eloquently put here....I have noticed also.
Others (especially his supporters), tend to say that he "thinks before he speaks."
Well...my take on that is....
Yes, he thinks before he speaks. He thinks far too much. Do you ever wonder why? I watched him during the campaign, and as I watch him now, he is the same way.
He thinks so hard before he speaks, whenever he doesn't have a speech prepared for him that is.....because he's trying to find the right thing to say to the people he's talking to, and you can see the wheels churning and spinning, as he tries not to say what he "really" is thinking. Kind of like not offending a certain group of people, and trying to say the political correct thing. You know he's thinking something different, and it comes out all stilted and somehow off.
That's why I see him as "lying" most of the time, so he says "the right thing" at the moment....if you know what I mean.
My DH and I were talking about it the other day. Do you ever notice how he talks about "socialism" and his socialist programs all the time, but uses other words to describe them...but you hear the pauses, and the whirs and clicks going on as he's thinking, to be sure to say it the right way.
Yeah, he thinks before he speaks....otherwise, he knows his words will come back to haunt him...which they will, of course.
Nah, you are misinformed. Obama is doing the right thing for all of us. nm
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Poor thing....... wonder where Obama's little tax
SS
Obama is saying the same thing and he has no grand plan...
either than he has shared. He said it in the O'Reilly interview. O'Reilly asked him if he would invade Pakistan to get him and he would not say yay or nay.
So, following your logic...thumbs down on you, O?
Same thing happenignat Obama's rallies.
why isn't our biased media showing it? There were independents there with records standing next to some that were spewing vulgar/hate language and they said Obama could easily hear them, but he never said a word. A news mic was even close by but he said they shut it off when all the nasty threats started and asked another to turn their mic on, whereever they were. So, hmmmm, sounds funny to me.
The only good thing about Obama being elected
would be that in four years, we can vote him back out. I'm with you, sm, less government, less government spending.
But focus on the real thing here...how your guy Obama...
answered the question. Socialism 101. No one forced him to do it. He could have walked away...he has dodged questions very artfully in the past. But he chose to answer this one.
And a state had a private citizen investigated because of a question he asked a presidential candidate. That does not alarm you???? The Patriot Act alarms liberals but this DOES NOT???
That is soooo telling.
and you agree with ever single thing Obama says
Knock yourself out--but I prefer to think for myself. I only pick the candidate I think is best--not perfect
One more thing about abortion for Obama supporters (sm)
While I can see the controversy about when life begins when we are talking about the very early stages of development, I have this question for anyone who has ever had a child....or been one. Generally when a mother is about 20 weeks pregnant, give or take a couple of weeks, she starts to feel the baby moving around inside her body. The baby moves more and more as the weeks go by. Toward 30 weeks or so, you can actually feel the baby changing positions to get more comfortable, moving around. So you are saying that baby I felt moving in my body wasn't alive yet?
What is the one thing you want an Obama presidency to accomplish?
Mine is curbing illegal immigration.
Good thing Obama talked to them
all nice and friendly like. So much for kissing their back sides Mr. President. Maybe he should send them an iPod.
I saw the same thing with Obama, comparison to Hitler
So playing that ole race card again does no good.
It's a good thing Obama promised
not to sign any bills with pork in it....oh wait.....he lied about that and signed it anyway, didn't he?
Obama was SUPPOSED to do his own thing? Remember?!
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Between McCain and Obama
Do you think either candidate is more "real" than the other? Is one of them truly a "what you see is what you get" sort of person, or is one of them liable to turn tail and be the opposite of what we see now?
Thoughts, opinions, comments?
I had hoped to include Hillary in my list, but I guess that won't be necessary now. Bummer.
Obama/McCain
I think this whole politics thing is amusing. I believe people are fed up with the politics of the White House and where this administration has brought us in 8 years, Iraq, threatening Iran, many enemies in other nations who used to be friends, etc. Obama is accused of not knowing much and McCain of being too old to run. I think maybe both are true. I am waiting for a debate between these two men to see if I will even bother to vote, because in MHO all politicians will lie to get where they want in office. All I do know is that this country is going in the wrong direction and needs to change quickly. That is why I believe a woman should be in the White House. No Hillary did not win, but there needs to be a strong woman in there to run the country and straighten this horrible mess out, which includes global warming, health care, aide for elderly and food for the poor and help for the poor. We need to concentrate on our country more to help the poor/sick/elderly, and stop the oil companies from making such huge profits while we decide on food or gas for the week. 
Obama vs McCain
Not in any way to make light of John McCain's service to this country. If being a Viet Nam POW qualilfies anyone to be president, maybe my husband should consider running. No? Why not? He has the "qualifications." We are, or should be, electing a leader of this great nation, not a war hero. Perhaps J. McCain has integrity and other qualities but I see nothing that makes me want to see him be our next leader. I can say the same about Obama. My personal opinion, we don't even have a candidate that I can support as the lesser of the evils. Having always been registered a Democrat, I have changed my registration to Independent. McCain will bring us 8 more years of George W. Bush and we can't afford it. Obama will bring us........well, who knows? I believe his slant is more toward African-Americans rather than plain old every day AMERICANS. I don't care what color he is, if I really believed he would turn our economy, energy, SS, Welfare and the list goes on, around I would vote for him in a New York minute. Unfortunately I think he is saying what the American people want to hear and McCain..........well, his platform seems to be all about HIM and the time he spent as a POW. <sigh>
Obama/McCain
Take away McCain's military service...no more or less than thousands of other men who are not running for office and thus usually don't even like to talk about their war experience.... and there is not a whole lot of difference in the two men. BOTH have an agenda and NEITHER has anything to do with putting country first any more than George W. Bush (or Bill Clinton) had an agenda that put country first. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in this mess. Well...maybe all of them would put country first right after themselves and their cronies.
Obama, no McCain, no Obama, no McCain
That is how I have been going over the last couple months. I just don't know any more and frankly I'm getting tired of it. I voted for Obama over Hillary, then was a strong supporter of Obama. Heard some stuff I didn't like so I switched to McCain, then heard some stuff and switched back to Obama, now with the economic crisis and what the democrats have done, I am looking towards McCain again. Let me explain why (please take pitty on me and don't flame me too bad :-), but with that said let me tell you why.
I feel that Obama can speak better than McCain. Gotta give him credit for being an eloquent speaker, however that doesn't mean that his ideas are right for America. I'm learning about his voting record and the programs he will be pushing for, and if I wanted to live in the type of economy Obama wants if he is elected I mind as well move to Cuba or another country that is socialized. Yes he understands our economy but he's making all the wrong decisions and we are going to be further in debt. I just found out today that 700B dollars is not a figure they need. They made that up out of thin air. They need close to a trillion dollars, but they were afraid if they ask for a trillion it will raise suspicion so they picked 700B out of thin air. And that money will be pocketed by them and then they'll need more. Kucinich said today where do you think we're going to get 700B from? We'll get it from banks. And we'll give it to banks. And then more faux money and debt and loans will go out and we will not be any better. And this is what Obama is going to approve. Obama does not care about people like you and me. He is for the 1% of the rich (him and his friends). I don't think he is qualified to make any decisions about our economy. And Pelosi and Franks should be fired on the spot! We should remember as a democratic congresswoman pointed out that we have enemies both foreign AND domestic. That means here in our country, and as far as I can see they are the democratics that are destroying our economy. NOT ALL DEMOCRATS. I wanted to make sure I made that clear. There are plenty good democrats who know this bill is wrong and are voting agaist it - good for them, but there are the other ones (along with some republicans) who are out for themself. We need a strong leader to lead us in the direction of bringing our economy back up and I believe that person is John McCain.
Second, I don't feel safe with what Obama is proposing to sit down with our enemies and have a nice big group hug and everything will be all better. That's not the way it works and McCain understands that. I feel safer with McCain in there on foreign policies and the ability to keep our country safer.
Biden - Don't know much about him except he's been in the senate a long time, which is good because Obama is fairly new so he would be big help. Personally I like Biden, so have no quams with him. I think he can put his foot in his mouth enough if you get him talking long enough. It also doesn't help that he was even saying Obama is not qualified to be president, but time will tell.
Palin. She's better than a lot of people are giving her credit for. I know your probably saying pleeese, but put your hatred towards her aside. She has a lot to learn, but so does Obama. He's had an 18-month lead on her, and with help she is learning fast. I heard the leader of Pakistan tonight and he said after meeting with her she was intelligent and he thinks if McCain and Palin are elected she will do just fine.
I like her resume and knowlege of the economy and plans for getting us back on the right track better than Obama's. BTW - I did watch one of her interviews and she did quite well. She was very intelligent and articulate in what she was saying (completed full sentances throughout the whole interview, finished her thought processes, etc), but then again she was being interviewed by someone who treated her with respect and didn't try to pull any of the "gotcha's", or look down at her cross-eyed like Couric did. Couric has the interview skills of a beanpole, so don't know why anyone even watched it.
I am looking forward to the debate on Thursday. I know a lot of you have already got it in your minds that she has already lost the debate and that is unfortunate. I am anxious to hear Biden talk. I do like him and had wished he had won the nomination over Obama.
My feeling on Palin is that given a chance and good mentors she will do just fine as VP and I always remember our founding fathers didn't have half the experience she does and they made this country great in the beginning. Now politics is just filled with lawyers, crooks and liars.
So...if Obama and Biden win I won't be crying, and if McCain and Palin win I will be fine too.
Obama : McCain
It was McCain's best debate, but it was not good enough. Obama is 9 points ahead or even more and winning. It is too late for McCain.
The election is Nov 4.
Obama vs McCain
Obama is a socialist from the word go and will have social medicine, not good.
Obama/McCain
All this crap about Obama's "radical relationships." Why is it that McCain has not brought up preacher Wright. He hasn't spared anything else to trash Obama so why is he sparing him on that? And don't tell me it is "off limits." I'm not buying that. Nothing else is "off limits." Unless maybe Obama/McCain have made a deal not to bring up that in exchange for Obama not bringing up something that would bring McCain down. I heard preacher Wright with my own ears and that is something *I* would like to hear addressed. I do not call Wright "reverend" because I don't believe he deserves the title based on what I know. If McCain is so righteous and he11 bent on "saving" this country why doesn't he hit Obama with that accusation.....that might have some legitimate place in this campaign?
Obama : McCain
Obama has a dynamic mentality to which McCain's mentality just pales.
This is it.
Yeah...good thing she isn't debating Obama...
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The great thing about Obama talkin' so purdy...
It's so easy to catch him in a lie. He's so clear and straightforward, there's no way he can deny what he said. I think it's great when the news says what he does on any given day and then plays back his campaign speeches and they are completely opposite. It's great, keep it up. America can fall out of love with Obama as quickly as they fell in love with him.
Go Obama - go home McCain
My best friend that I was in the Army with 20 years ago just told me that her son went to Kuwait last year, her daughter graduated from high school last year and went straight into the Army and is now in the middle east, and her husband who is a police officer and was in active duty (they met in the army) and the reserves just got called to go over all within the last year. I say Go Obama! We need our troops home in a reasonable time frame. MCain is a war mongerer and will keep this going for the next 100 years (as is his words), and I've heard Hillary is just like McCain and they are on the same team together (what that means I don't know but that's what an article said). I know they are friends and work closely together. So I say please, please, please let Obama win!
Who is scarier (McCain or Obama) and why?
I would like to know who you think is a scarier candidate and why. Please give facts (not rumors you have read or heard like for example - do not tell me that you believe Obama is a muslim, or that you don't like his middle name or think he's the antichrist, or McCain is not a christian or this or that). I am looking for some facts. Like he supports this or that and his experience he has done this or that. Just curious who thinks who is a scarier choice for president. Both of them right now are not high on my list and whoever is chosen for president will be just that (chosen by the higher powers than us).
Obama is the chicken, not McCain
McCain isn't the one who's afraid, Obama is, so he's spouting off, trying to make McCain look like an unworthy opponent. Everybody knows that Obama knows he can't debate, so this is just a ploy of his. I guarantee you that if McCain was still planning to be present for the debate, Obama would be keeping his mouth shut, and studying up on "How to Debate and Look Like You Know What you're talking About".
Anybody that can't show respect to our American Flag has no place in this country, let alone be its leader.
McCain has true concern for the country. Obama is only concened about himself and the campaign. I fear for this country if this fool gets in office. Change....what change???Everytime somebody else gets in office there is change. Cheap words for a phony, no good, cam't make up his mind, dolt!
McCain Obama and FMFM
Article on both candidates and Freddie and Fannie
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10fannie.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
And Obama said McCain was right.... nine times....nm
Obama did well. He actually looked at McCain.
McCain wouild not look at Obama at all. He just looked at the camera and the commentator with his fake smile.
I scored 64.71% with Obama and 17.65% with McCain -nm
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57% obama; still voting for McCain
Some things like abortion, death penalty and guns really aren't as important as my taxes and his spending of my taxes.
McCain ain't my candidate and Obama definitely
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Not true. It is Obama 49% and McCain 43%. nm
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Bush/McCain/Obama
I already hid my money. Might be if Obama is elected I can bring it out of hiding. Keep it hid if McCain is elected...........more of G.W. Bush.
Here it is! The tax cut calculator!!! Obama vs. McCain sm
This is great!
http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/
McCain has a plan...just like Obama has one....
read about it on his website. And if you didn't turn off the TV every time he spoke, you would know he has a plan. LOL. What I don't want is the last TWO years, when the Democrats sat on their hands and did nothing while Freddie/Fannie ruined the economy. What I DON'T want is a socialist President and a democratic majority, and I will have NO part in bringing that about. For the first time in my LIFE I am voting a straight republican ticket.
McCain said that Obama was not a socialist - nm
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McCain says Obama not a socialist
On Larry King last night.
Even McCain said Obama was not a socialist
on Larry King the other night when asked
What McCain really thinks of Obama.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081101/pl_politico/15147;_ylt=Aos2pgYJtz2vWE.lU0uaBmNsnwcF
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