No offense taken. Rumors spread so fast, especially ...sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: sorry if sounding defensive - shelly
bad rumors intended to scare and manipulate people. I think the excitement of the people at his rallies is because they see him as someone who offers the common people hope. He has never addressed or dwelled on any of the many, many rumors being spread about him. I believe he is an upstanding American citizen, a Christian, who has a lovely wife and family and is nothing like what the right wing of the republican party is painting him to be. Keep praying on it but don't get taken in by people who are not so Christian themselves.
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rumors, rumors...
"some people say?" That's pretty inflammatory and libelous stuff to be posting without anything to back it up. some people say there are aliens right here on earth trying to suck our brains out - doesn't make it so but sure leaves their sanity open for inspection. I don't think it's a good idea to go with "some people say." The good idea is to get the facts before you go repeating anything. This gossip is TOO dangerous.
Let's just get some more rumors started.
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There were rumors yesterday
that there was a fight of some kind after the show with Elizaeth and Joy. They said today it wasn't true. When Whoopie was talking about off-shore drilling, Joy made a disgusting remark about Palin's pregnant daughter and drilling.
Anyone who would post rumors that are mean and nasty...
concerning a 16-year-old girl are mean-spirited. The dailykos is a swamp with no bottom, as someone so astutely said, and there are those here who prefer to wallow in it. So be it.
Sticks and stones, sticks and stones. And as to go away...you first.
I believe the OP was asking a question, not spreading rumors.
Sheesh. OP didn't even state it as fact - give some credit for that!
Where is your source? You should not spread
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What exactly do you think spread the wealth
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Yes, need to spread that wealth around. LOL nm
I'm going shopping before O can spread my wealth around! nm
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Spread the wealth, redistribution of income...that is the big O's
plan...AKA I'll give to those who don't deserve it by taking it from those who have worked hard to get it. O wants to take the hard earned money from many Americans and then HE will decide who he gives it to. Sounds a bit like socialism to me. Just where is he going to get the money for all the programs he wants to GIVE to us? Oh, and remember the words of Biden, it's patriotic to pay taxes. So what does that make the 40% of Americans who DON'T pay taxes?
You are not only a low life filthy liar on this board, you spread your filth on the CON
board, as well. NOWHERE is it written on this board that ANYONE WISHES that he's drinking again.
You idiots do this repeatedly. You take a statement made by someone and totally twist it around to suit your hatred.
This is what you wrote on the CON board. I defy you to copy and paste the post you are referring to. YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR.
Another difference between you and me: I won't post on YOUR board because you don't want people there who don't agree with you. I am RESPECTING your wishes. But you can't return the favor because you and those of your ilk have no concept of the existence of the word *respect*.
I am really frosted about something on that liberal board..
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Posted By: SM on 2005-09-30,
I am not going to stoop to their level and say that all liberals are like this, because I know they are not. But one person in particular over there is so hateful that she actually HOPES that GWB has fallen off the wagon and is drinking again, as claimed by some tabloid article.
It's really sickening that somebody who claims their party care more about people, so high and mightily more than us horrible selfish conservatives, would say something about ANY other human being, even somebody I guess as despicable as they consider the president to be. She has really cheapened herself and anything further that she might say.
That's the hallmark sign that politics has gone too far in your own head, when you actually hope somebody falls off the wagon, gets sick, doesn't get well, or suffers some other form of personal destruction. I NEVER have those feelings about people of different ideaologies. We are first and foremost human beings and we should never get so low in our own ideology that we cease to be human.
My offense does not come from
the fact that Republicans did a very noble thing - they very much did and I am grateful that those people stood up for what was right -my offense comes from you using such a horrendous situation as a way to prove some point.
But it's done. The argument is going in circles, as kam and piglet posted below. In trying to make your view known, instead of saying it in a respectful way, you are pushing the idea that 'liberals' or 'Democrats' are racist baby killers. You don't stop at saying - no Democrats have not always been the liberal party. I am not FOR abortion or the enslavement of innocent people. Period. What Democrats did whenever does not have anything to do with what I DO and believe NOW.
no offense but
and I only spend about $100 a week!!!! how in the heck do you spend that much for just two people??? Maybe you should consider leaner options...?
Some of us take offense
anything remotely similar to a great, revered American leader and have a hard time letting such preposterious comparisons go unanswered. Does well researched commentary always make you so touchy? What happened to "on the light side?" Personally, I was happy to see someone step forward and take issue with that nonsense.
I take offense at that -
I am an Obama supporter and I do not sit on the internet, watching dancing with the stars, eating doritos and flipping through people magazine whlie waiting for their check in the mail.
I go to college, I work 2 jobs, I support my family on my own with no help.
I did have help at one time, when I was 19 and my husband left me with a 3 week old baby after I had had complications with the birth and could not go back to work and I got some help for about 3 months... then I went back to work just like I had every day since I was 15 years old. And I am thankful that it was there...
All Obama supporters are not waiting for a handout!
Thanks - no offense taken
Not a problem at all. There are so many messages that have been posting it is getting confusing.
I do find it amazing that in today's day and age we have come so far in our technology, etc, but yet there are so many out there still living emotionally in the puritan times. I find it amazing that they will call people who want to have a gay relationship deviants, etc, and they give a free pass to all the heterosexual child molesters, bondage, fetishes, etc. I can't even remember the last time I saw a news story about some haneous (sp?) crime that was committed by a gay person. It's always a heterosexual doing the weird and "deviant" acts.
There is nothing deviant or abnormal about loving another human being and wanting to spend the rest of your life with them. It's called love, honor, and cherish, and last I knew God was about love, honoring, and cherishing.
Thanks for posting though and clearing it up. I think I've had enough of this thread and hope it closes soon. I believe I would have an easier time trying to have an intelligent conversation with a chimpanzee than some of these other posters.
No offense...but how is this
political? 
no offense to you...but I keep picturing...sm
this little gecko that fell off the ceiling in Hawaii when were on vacation when I was 13 years old. This little lizard fell off the ceiling, on my father's head, bounced off onto the floor.... the little guy got so scared and twitched and twitched.....and lost his tail in the process..........
No offense taken. The charges she made sm
are based on the evidence, which is overwhelming. Popular Mechanics definitely did not debunk it. I think it shattered her belief system, just like it did mine.
No offense taken. Let me give my opinion here...sm
It sounds as if you have, like millions of Americans, health care problems and financial difficulties. No, certainly the Clinton's will not send you money, nor would Obama for that matter.
However both Clinton's and Obama's platforms address your issues, that being health care reform where,in the future, if you currently you are uninsured you will be able to become insured, along with other health care reform measures.
Both Clinton and Obama are acutely aware of the jobs losses, the cost of living situation, home foreclosures and the like, and both likewise address those issues in their respective platforms.
No offense taken. Directly, of couse, neither candidate is going to send you a check to help with your difficulties, but indirectly their platforms are well aware of your problems, and those of millions of other Americans like you, and they are very actively addressing those issues.
I hope your situation eases in the coming years.
What is offense about the comment? see message
No worse than people saying other religious organizations donated to McCain. I highly doubt that that saying a Muslim donated to Obama is offense. What is more truthful that you should have said is that you find it offense that people are finding out what kind of people are donating to Obama's campaign (you know those foreign countries that do not like us) and that he's getting donations from people who are not reputable people (like Good Will and the liquor store in NY), but her comment that it sounds like Muslim's made a donation is certainly not offensive. Most likely Obama did receive large donations from middle eastern countries. He's trying to con us all into believing that every penny he got was from grandma Jones or gradma Smith who gave him $5.00 here and there....come off it. You know better than that.
Conservative outright spin and BS, spread on Fox by Gregg Jarrett, for the real whole unbiased story
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/2009/101/02/ED151514UE.dtl, there was one slight recession in 1937-1938 because of spectacular growth when it took off, read the rest of the story. Pubs will say anything to rewrite history and try to save face. IMO
No offense, but I seriously doubt she will prove it in a court of law. sm
She is entitled to her belief system, but I don't agree with anything she has to say. We will have to wait and see.
Arresting officer, who is Jewish, took no offense. sm
He pretty much said what I did below.
Arresting Deputy Didn’t Want To ‘Defame’ Gibson
‘I don’t take pride in hurting Mr. Gibson’ says officer, who is Jewish
MSNBC
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:56 p.m. PT July 31, 2006
Excerpt:
CALABASAS, Calif. - The deputy who arrested Mel Gibson on suspicion of drunken driving said Monday that he feels bad for damage to the star’s reputation but hopes Gibson thinks twice before drinking and getting behind the wheel.
James Mee, a Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy, told the Associated Press that he considered it a routine arrest and didn’t take seriously any comments that Gibson made.
Gibson reportedly unleashed an anti-Semitic tirade and made other offensive comments when he was pulled over, initially for speeding, early Friday along the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu. He was then arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol.
Gibson has issued a public apology for his conduct without specifying what he said or did.
“I don’t take pride in hurting Mr. Gibson,” said Mee, a 17-year deputy who is Jewish. “What I had hoped out of this is that he would think twice before he gets behind the wheel of a car and was drinking. ... I don’t want to ruin his career. I don’t want to defame him in any way or hurt him.”
*snip*
TMZ reported that Gibson said, “The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world,” and asked the arresting officer, “Are you a Jew?”
In the interview outside his home, Mee would not comment specifically on what Gibson said.
“That stuff is booze talking,” the deputy said. “There’s two things that booze does. It amplifies your basic personality. If you are a laid-back kind of person, just an easygoing kind of person, booze is going to amplify that and you’ll be just sitting around going how it’s a wonderful day.
Not so fast!!!!!!
I understand where you're coming from but really...do you REALLY think now days abortion is just because men want a woman to have one? Women are more permiscuous than ever, starting at younger and younger ages, and THEY don't want a child.
I knew of a woman back in the early 70's when abortion was legal on in a couple of states. She had just started college, found out she was pregnant. The man she said was the father begged her to marry him...he wanted to take responsibility but she didn't want to lose her scholarship. Lose a scholarship....murder a child. What a decision to make!! No, I don't always blame the men because I witnessed a very selfish woman who could have cared less. She came from a family who thought they were on the high social ladder as did she, and she certainly wasn't going to waste her time with a baby!!! She had more important things to do BUT I may add, she certainly didn't waste any time making her rounds with the guys back at college. So, please keep in mind, there really are a lot of women who really do not see it as that important an issue. They too just want to have fun and not deal with the consequences either.
Not so fast....
Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. I can find no credible evidence that she supported them or funded them. She did address their convention, but then Obama addressed the convention for ACORN.
From The New York Times: Alaskan Independence Party officials released a statement Monday saying that Ms. Palin had been a member for two years, from 1994 to 1996, information included in reports in The New York Times and other news outlets. In Internet videos of recent party meetings, other party officials can be seen boasting of Ms. Palin’s past membership.
On Tuesday, though, the party’s chairwoman, Lynette Clark, said the earlier statement was false. Ms. Clark said that she had based it on information another party member had given her, but that a review of the records showed only that Ms. Palin had attended the 1994 conference.
Ms. Clark added that while the review confirmed Todd Palin as a member, it did not indicate that Ms. Palin had been one.
On Wednesday, Ms. Clark released a corrected statement, saying, in part, “I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago.”
“I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and to both national and local press and media,” she added.
Perhaps you did not do enough research?
As to the power and role of the Vice President...what she is talking about IS in the constitution. The Vice President presides over the senate and can be present whenever they are if the VP so wishes. Good for her. SOMEBODY needs to be watching them, I would think this recent financial crisis would tell us that. She is not talking about changing the CONSTITUTION. She is talking about exercising the rights it gives the position. No other VP has been interested in doing so. No reason she...or any VP...shouldn't. Read what the Constitution says about the VP position.
Well....not so fast....
we won't know until election night, I firmly believe that. The polls are closing fast, but I don't put much stock in polls, never have.
Whatever the outcome, if a majority of poor misguided folks vote Obama in...it won't be with my help. Got my yard sign. :-)
Going under fast, aren't they.
Starting to sound a mite peeved:) Look, person - we KNOW some people support this screw-up of a profiteering war. Like you. What don't you get about that? WE KNOW.
Now, tell us YOU KNOW that just as many - to judge by the 300,000 versus the 300, ONE HUNDRED times as many DO NOT support this mess any longer.
Why do you seem to feel that people who agree with you are somehow PROOF that yours is the only way to think? What are you going to do about the REST of those who do not believe what you do? What are you going to do when soldiers are speaking 100,000 to 1 against the war? You better think about it, because it's shaping up that way.
I bet it will drop as fast as it did
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It's amazing how fast you can backpeddle
You have made some very anti-semetic remarks about the Israeli's, and now you are being called on the carpet about it. You've documented several times with your supporting remarks of the Muslim protestors in Washington (which I've failed to find any reference to besides your obscure article link) that you think Israel and the U.S. are mean murderous tyrannically-governed countries. If you are going to take a side take a side, but your attempt to suddenly appear tolerant in the presence of a Jewish person is VERY disingenous, and I for one don't by it for a second. Pick a side and stick to it. If you don't support Israel then stand by your assertions. If you do support Israel then you need to make yourself a little clearer, because all I see you doing is siding with Hezbollah.
don't back down so fast, other facts about him
ok snopes disputed the rumors, some of the rumors but facts are facts and Barack's 1st cousin is this extremist running Kenya and involved in the genocide....google it for yourself.
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Not about how fast Rome was built....
but how fast it FELL.
I know I'm learning real fast here
I keep seeing posts about how awful the republicans are, blah, blah, blah. Then comes the lies and false statement without any facts. But the minute you put something out there about Obama with a link and reliable sources you get jumped on and called evil. I'll tell ya, makes me think Hitler is still alive and visits this board. HA HA. I've seen the attacks on Sam before so I guess I should have realized this. Guess it just shocked me.
I can't write too fast anymore, but here's what I did get
1. Fiscal Stimulus Plan: Before or after inauguration (sp). Wants to get it moving quickly, but if he has to wait until January 20, so be it, but states he will try during these couple months to push one through now.
2. Retooling assistance plan for automakers for fuel-effieicnt cars. He realizes that the auto industry employs thousands and other companies depend on the auto industry for their jobs. Wants this package done quickly.
3. Review implementaion of plans and not rewarding management for housing problems that are caused.
4. Grow middle class in the long term.
Reporters asked questions but couldn't get them all.
1. He wants to help the states financially.
2. As to going to other countries for conferences: He is developing a team and weighing all his options. Iran's nuclear weapons are unacceptable along with the militants. This has to cease. It's not something he can do in a knee-jerk fashion and wants to be careful (not to p--s them off).
3. Tax plan: 95% of WORKING Americans will get it. His first goal is tax relief for struggling families and to build the economy from the bottom up.
That's all I could get.
Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
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the problem with responding too fast
...is that you end up leaving out important phrases!
The $72 an hour figure quoted in the article, I should have said, isn't made of *just* the wages and benefits of current employees--it's also including those paid to retired workers, the ones who paid into the retirement fund their whole lives, and are now living off those benefits.
In other words, you take the wages/benefits paid to the current 180,000 or so autoworkers, PLUS those paid to the 400,000 or so retirees and the 120,000 spouses of dead retirees, then divide that by the 180,000 current workers, then say, LOOK HOW MUCH THOSE GUYS GET PAID! It's an incredibly artifically inflated number.
And noooo one in the media ever seems to question it.
Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"
http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.
Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.
Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.
Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.
So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.
Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.
Woohoo...change is coming fast and furious.
President Obama just announced that the pay of top White House employees is being frozen. The Associated Press says it will affect those in positions paying more than $100,000 a year.
"All of you are committed to building a more responsible government," Obama told top staff at a meeting now underway at the White House.
"Families are tightening their belts and so should Washington," Obama added.
The president also announced he's about to sign new ethics rules designed to restrict lobbying by current staff after they leave the administration.
That's why Fox news rating are skyrocketing with MSNBC and CNN are going down fast
Fox News - 1,217,000
CNN - 633,000
MSNBC - 482,000
I was surprised to see that CNN has more viewers than MSNBC. Fox news gives you the news and tells you everything - both sides. The other two don't. They just feed you garbage all day.
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...
apparently he is not alone.
HMMM...check THIS out...
http://obamalies.net/
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1
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