Patty you are talking out both sides sm
Posted By: MT TOO LONG on 2009-05-22
In Reply to: Having sex out - Patty
of your mouth here! You label yourself a Christian but yet you tell your kids its "BEST" to wait til you find the person you want to spend your life with? If you believe what the Bible really says, you will teach those kids that God created sex to be within a marriage relationship. I know most folks are not going to like that but I am going by what the Bible teaches. If you are Christian then you should be teaching your kids what the Bible teaches. They may not agree but they will at least be taught.
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I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm
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Talking out of both sides of his mouth
No, this is the latest info he wants put out. This comes after he stood on his little podium at the debates and said point blank, he would increase taxes to help pay for more social programs. Now, I don't know how you get around that, but it came out of his own mouth and his true motives are already out there. I have watched that man sway with whatever way the political breeze is blowing, whichever he thinks sounds best for him at the time. Anyone that wishy washy cannot run a country. He is being run....that is the problem!!
Both sides should have a choice, on both sides, pregnant woman and doctor...nm
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TO PATTY: sm
I am a born again, Bible believing Christian. I agree that homosexuality is WRONG! I don't want my grandkids taught this stuff in school and I don't want them exposed to it if I can help it. The Bible says its an abomination.
I am also the mother of a gay, 35-year-old son. He knows how his family feels about it and he does not expose us to his boyfriends.
That being said, I think you are living in a box and are being very cruel. There are people being murdered and tortured all the time because they are homosexuality. Quite like the KKK who murdered black people. To say this doesn't happen is just a little peek into how really ignorant and uninformed you are.
Please see my other note to you about the so-called Rev. Fred Phelps out in Kansas. This man is no more a Reverend than I am. He is nothing but a hate monger who has a congregation made up mostly of his own relatives. It is nothing but a cult and a front for violence and hate against homosexuals. That is no more "christian" than homosexuality itself. Mr. Phelps and his "bunch" bring nothing but shame and reproach upon the cause of Christ.
With all that in mind, please, PLEASE wake up! Homosexuals are murdered every day in this country and all over the world by the same kind of hateful people who murdered blacks back in the 50s because they were black. The KKK was supposedly a "christian" organization too.
When I first started reading your posts I agreed with alot of what you said about homosexuality. But after you made fun of folks talking about how gays are killed all the time, it made me rethink. Your true colors are coming out and it is not very Christ like at all.
To Patty
Patty, first of all I would like to say that I also share in your views that homosexuality is wrong. It is my religious right to feel this way, political right or just plain right of opinion and I would hope people would not attack me for my beliefs. I just wish Patty that instead of getting yourself worked up you would pray for God to lead you in the direction that you could HELP people better understand the Bible and to better understand the pathway to Heaven.
Throughout the years Christians have gotten a lot of backlash as being hypocritical, judgmental and things along those lines. A lot of people are on the fence as to whether or not they believe in God or believe in the Bible and then a Christian comes along that instead of being supportive and showing how much we and God loves them, they point out and chastise their sins. That is what you are doing and I personally do not believe that any of your statements made on this board would make a person see homosexuality as wrong and choose to follow a path of God.
You make many statements saying that God tells you to hate the sin. God tells us to be his servants. Hating the sin Patty, would be you NOT committing this sin. It is not you not buying particular music or you pointing out to everyone of such a sin. If you are wanting to explain yourself, how about post the Bible versus you are referring to, pray about it and let people make their own decisions. You cannot force your beliefs on anyone.
I understand that you said you would not buy this young man's music. That is your right. Would you sit by him if he came to your church? Would you INVITE him to come to church with you? How about invite him to Sunday dinner at your house after church?
My husband and I are both are very involved in ministry work and we have helped so many people with many different sins. I never look at those people by what sins they have committed. I do not want them looking at me by what sins I have committed either. We are God's servants. We are to serve him by bringing people TO him, by spreading His word, by showing them what joy it brings you to be a Christian and how happy we are to walk with the Lord. We are not God's police to point out sins of others. We are not to judge others. We are not to imply that one sin would be worse than another one because they are all equal in our Father's eyes.
I will pray for you Patty and I will pray for understanding for other people as well.
Oh Patty! I also am a Christian and sm
I also know that homosexuality is against God's word and is WRONG. BUT to say that no-one is being killed over this, is living in a tunnel! There have been many stories of murders of folks just because they are homosexual.
To me, the worst example of this is the bunch out in Kanasas that go by the name of Westboro Baptist Church and the Rev. Fred Phelps! If this group could get away with murder, they would. But, I don't consider them a church at all, at least not a church as the Bible talks about, let alone a Baptist church. Tehy are nothing more than a hate group like the KKK hiding behind a church sign. This group brings shame and reproach upon teh name and the cause of Christ.
Please wake-up Patty, there are homosexuals being killed every day just because they are homosexual!
BTW, to open up a real hornest nest, I am the mother of a 35 year old gay son. I don't agree with him either and he knows it and in no way would I support his lifestyle choice. But I also don't want him murdered because he is living this way either.
I listened to your posts until you said "give us a break, you are breaking my heart." That head-in-the-sand attitude really breaks my heart. These posters are not making this up, many many stories of folks being murdered because they are homosexual.
Be very careful what you say, Patty. As
the mother of 3 young men, the oldest now 41, who were raised in church being taught the Bible is God's inspired Holy Word. Being their mom, I consider them "good boys." Let me tell you, over 41 years, I have had a pretty healthy diet of words. Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes you have no right to tell that person what you would or would not do because you have no idea what you would do. I'm sure MTTL has shed many tears and prayed many prayers over this. She is no more responsible for her son's sins as an adult as I am for my sons' sins as adults. This does not mean we stop loving them, that would be unnatural love. Please rethink your post.
Patty's not far from the truth of this...........
California has a tremendously LARGE population of gays and most gays know Christian beliefs do not approve of gay marriage; California has already shot that down even though some are still trying to push their agendas/lifestyle off on everyone else as acceptable.
It is no secret that the gay rights push out there is tremendous and no doubt a lot of hate for the Christian community, so if you think it's a far fetched idea that gays/lesbians are behind this, you really need to open your eyes. Bet if we could see behind the walls of their neighbors, you would find gays who know they are holding a Bible study and THEY are the ones that started this crap in the first place.
You're right, Christians have sat back and let this happen because we all get hammered when we speak out against homosexual behavior, but those that have spoken out against it in California will be subjected to being singled out and gays trying to cause trouble for them.....that isn't so far fetched to believe.
Friends of mine who live out there do say they too strongly believe gays reported this Bible study they didn't like in the first place and have strong reasons to believe this. They also know a great majority of those in political positions are gay and will do everything in their power to also push the Bible studies to stop..... period! Anywhere!
Patty, just get off this particular thread.
It is very obvious that you are a minority here and you're just trying to stir the pot, as you always do. Nobody wants to hear your bigoted idiotic statements about something you know nothing about, so just keep handling your snakes and leave everybody else's sex life alone. It is none of your business!!
I agree with you 100% Patty
I may not agree with you on a lot of issues but this is one I'm with you ALL the way.
Why they think it's okay to bash Bush and call him names, but the O is supposed to get a pass when he is doing harm/wrong to the country.
Kudo's to you for saying so.
Wrong! In the words of Patty
who actually did play the race card first:
' I could be discriminated against too.....if I chose to be homo but I don't. Our sexual partner is a choice. Rosa Parks couldn't change her color and women can't cut off their vaginas. You CAN choose who you have sexual relations with. Now stop blubbering. You're making puddles.'
As Rosa Parks was a black woman who defied the law to sit in the whites-only part of the bus, I believe Patty brought up the race subject to which I was merely responding.
Sorry, JTBB, I agree with Patty. I do not
believe everything what the Bible says, but I believe that homosexuality is wrong.
Not because it is written in the Bible, because it just IS. It always was and still is.
I do not hate them, I would never do something bad to them, I wish them all the best, but I just would not even socialize with them, especially as a mother with kids.
You're right about one thing, Patty.
Your mental disease is downright UGLY!!
Just wondrin' Patty: Who put you in charge . . .
of deciding what is a "sound" law or not? LOL
Hey! I'll celebrate St. Patty's Day witcha!
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Patty, I like that...can I borrow your word, "asscream"?
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So true! I think Patty & Aunt Louise should go
All that narrow-mindedness and hatred really gets old.
I am an atheist and yet I agree with Patty so find
a different name to call me. In your small world you believe that anyone who is against O is a far right, Bible thumping conservative and that is just not the case, as I am proof of it. Yes, I voted for him, worked on his campaign for 2 years because I truly believed every word that he spewed but with every passing day I regret that.
Patty: that's what you are believing, you with your 'biblical, caged' mind..nm
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Hershey closing York Peppermint Patty plant in PA
And is moving their plant to MEXICO. It's situations like this where NAFTA should be renegotiated and remove any profit incentive for companies to take away American jobs like this.
Although I really like York Peppermint Patties, I don't think I'll continue to buy this product.
Hershey closing York Peppermint Patty plant in Pa.
By Associated Press
POSTED: 03:30 p.m. EST, Feb 20, 2009
READING, Pa.: Production of York Peppermint Patties and other candy brands is coming to an end at The Hershey Co. plant in Reading.
After 23 years in Reading, the chocolate maker is closing the plant today and moving production to a new factory it has built in Monterey, Mexico. Hershey says it will mean the loss of about 260 jobs in the southeastern Pennsylvania city.
The plant also makes 5th Avenue and Zagnut candy bars and Jolly Rancher hard candies.
The nation's largest candy manufacturer announced two years ago that the plant would close as part of a wider move by Hershey to eliminate 1,500 jobs and one-third of its existing production lines, shifting more manufacturing to contractors in the United States.
Some workers will stay on for a few more weeks to close the plant.
READING, Pa.: Production of York Peppermint Patties and other candy brands is coming to an end at The Hershey Co. plant in Reading.
After 23 years in Reading, the chocolate maker is closing the plant today and moving production to a new factory it has built in Monterey, Mexico. Hershey says it will mean the loss of about 260 jobs in the southeastern Pennsylvania city.
The plant also makes 5th Avenue and Zagnut candy bars and Jolly Rancher hard candies.
The nation's largest candy manufacturer announced two years ago that the plant would close as part of a wider move by Hershey to eliminate 1,500 jobs and one-third of its existing production lines, shifting more manufacturing to contractors in the United States.
Some workers will stay on for a few more weeks to close the plant.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/39968037.html
Patty: this baby hadmore than health problems, it had NO brain!...nm
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When McBush is talking, he isn't talking to you unless you are wealthy or CEO
who provides campaign funds. Do you know why lobbyists are making the headlines? Because they are bribing the politicians of both parties - lobbyists work for private interests (AIPAC) along with the pharmaceutical company ($280.00 for a bottle of pills? Only in America, folks), oil industry (record profits at your expense) credit card companies and unethical banking procedures (Funny isn't it how Visa wrote the reformed BK bill, making virtually everyone end up in ch 13 (garnishing income, including SS) after raising credit limits and offering transfer balances at 0 percent to everyone with a last name and a roof over their head? Along with mtgs that were bound to turn into bad loans when house prices dropped which they always do after a bubble. God, I could go on and on here but I get tired. The nation is in such trouble. Serious serious trouble. There is a huge loan to an unfriendly country (did you watch the Olympics? did you ever see Bush look more uncomfortable other than during the Stephen Colbert roast during the national press conference. lol.
Well I want you to know what fascism. And I want you to know that those treasury notes are backed up by the taxpayers (you) and real estate including roads and govt buildings and parks. Have you noticed why Save-Mart Center is owned by savemart and not a community business or the community itself? There is somethign happening slowly and surely and it is NOT going to benefit middle class america one iota. You must know that as a poor person, you have no power, no voice. Elections are rigged and the politicans cease to care whether you like them or not - oh wait, that has already happened.
THINK ABOUT THIS!!!! Your 401Ks and investments/assets are what at are stake!
Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of Soviet-style economic planning measures.[12] Property rights and private initiative were contingent upon service to the state.[13].[14] Fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[15] Fascists in Germany and Italy claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that fused with conservative social values.
Talking to them is talking to a brick wall.
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Exactly....and that happens on both sides...
in all seriousness...without the jibes...I have two big issues with the Dem candidates, that being the abortion issue and the endless tax and spend for social programs. I am not against social programs, I am just against the waste associated with it and the constant assault on the paycheck. The average in the US is 30-35% of your paycheck off the top in taxes. Can't we all agree that is enough? Why create more programs or throw more money at programs that aren't working? Why not look at the programs and cut the waste. Look to helping people better themselves instead of pushing assistance higher up the income ladder. Because it is we in the middle class who suffer the most. Pretty soon there will not be any middle class at all, because they will then be the working poor on the assistance that goes higher up the ladder.
There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat...who believes in fiscal responsibility.
And I will be the first one to say that the Bush Adminstration has strayed way away from that...fiscal responsibility. While I agree with him on some things...I sure don't agree with him on that.
I fear Hillary's national health plan because I know Canada's is not working the way it should...and it is horribly expensive to the taxpayer. Up there, their median is 50-55% of their taxes off the top, and the #1 place for that money to go is the universal health care. And even if you have the money to pay for an operation, you can't jump the waiting list. Hence, they come here for it.
I would just hope that whoever wins will look at the long-reaching ramifications before just jumping in. Be that Hillary or a Republican....because I do think Hillary will get the nomination. I can't see it go any other way...unless something drastic happens between now and the primary. Of course, we won't see all the ugliness (on both sides) until a little later. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
What do you have against 2 sides
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Yes, they can be - on BOTH sides.
Someone makes a wise crack about it being nice to have someone with a triple digit IQ - when in FACT they don't know what Bush's IQ is OR the possible that Barack has a higher OR lower IQ score. The problem is the people who post don't know. They have just an outright hatred and loathing for the republicans. Well how would they feel if I went and said Obama has an IQ of 68 or something so absurd. They wouldn't. You know what, having a high IQ doesn't mean squat. I know a lot of people with degrees and high IQs and they are more of imbs than people without degrees. Just another put down for Bush they they think is cute and funny. It's not! We get it already. They don't like Bush, they hate him, and some of them like my MIL will come right out and say what they want to happen to Bush (i.e. the same thing Hillary said would happen to BO and that is why she is staying in).
I'm really getting tired of the utter hatred and disdain for Bush, and the constant Bush bashing I see on this board. Calling him stoopid, etc, etc. when there are no facts to back it up (unless they are sitting with his school transcipts on their desk). You know I like Obama. I think he's an okay guy. I don't care for Bush. Never have, but this utter hatred and lies get to be a bit too much. Then of course they find websites to try to "validate" what they are saying, yet they won't post websites that go against what they are saying. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The next 4 years should be interesting. Not going to say O is going to fail, but I'm also not putting him up on a pedistal and praising him while I dance around in circles chanting his name like most on this board are doing. Then again if he does fail I expect no comments from the libs on that one. For him it will be okay.
Uh...that isn't what I said. I said it happens all the time and both sides do it.
Are you sure you read MY post? Just wondering because it didn't sound like it from your response. Man, you guys are trigger happy!
Is good, but not see here. Sad for all both sides.
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Could it be possible there are 2 sides to the story? sm
The US, UK, and Israel also have a long and colorful history of 'creating incidents' to further their own agendas. I would say control of the Middle East is something at the top of the list. Hezbollah is wrong to send rockets into Israel. In fact, they are all wrong, but what do you expect them to do just wait there and be incinerated by Israel?
I'm sure both sides are represented.
There are soldiers for the war and those against. It's all there if you look hard enough. Absolutely....both sides are well represented.
Both sides say things like that
Obviously, living up someone's rear-end is not something that is to be taken literally - that is why I called it a joke - maybe not the best terminology.
My problem is when people say things about certain groups of people and they mean it literally - hence the reason that I specifically mentioned Anne Coulter's discussion and did not add anyone else mentioned in the OP's message.
This kind of crass talk happens on both sides of the fence. Do you have anyone in your family that is a registered Democrat? Do you lump them in with your comments about liberals? (also in comments on the conservative board) I have close family members that are registered Republicans. That is why I do not make sweeping remarks about all Republicans or conservatives. I'm trying to be very specific in my comments because everyone is obviously different.
Racism is on both sides......not just one
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Both sides of this issue.....sm
The emotional part of me, that loves wildlife, absolutely and completely hates this practice. The governor before Gov. Palin did this, as well.
Intellectually, however, my husband and I talked about this last night. I have to realize that things are different in the state of Alaska, and we down here in the lower 48 can't judge them for this, as we don't understand all the facts. Sam posted them down below. It's a different mindset, when it comes to predator control versus the herd availability for the people of Alaska who are subsistence hunters, and need that caribou to make it through the winter.
I would much rather to let nature take its course, and let the predator and prey take each other out, the way nature intended it. However, throw humans in the mix, and it does change things.
All that taken into account, I still don't have to like it. But I can respect Alaska's decision to do this, even if I disagree.
Yep. there are two sides to every story....
you just have to choose the side that fits your view for your country. Godspeed in your search. :)
On ALL sides--does not necessarily mean sm
this fiasco is partisan--only that the current administration (GOP) allowed all entities to run amok. It's the financial world versus the common man, now vice versa. As one pundit said tonight, The public shouldn't have to pick up the broken chairs when they weren't invited to the party.
Hey, the hate has come from both sides.
It's so extreme now.
There are SMs from both sides of the fence
Take the above posts, for example:
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
If you read anything on here, read this.
This should disturb every honorable citizen
Your stereotypes are inaccurate and pretty boring.
I can see both sides of the argument
Yes, many people are getting threatened and businesses getting picketed for supporting Prop 8. You cannot deny that (what was the pink taliban or whatever that disrupted church service a month or so ago?)
But on the other hand, if they want these donations anonymous, than that means Obama and other politicians can make their donations anonymous, and I think it's the publics right to know who is financing the next leaders of the country.
I just find it interesting that the homosexuals are assaulting and threatening supporters of the Prop 8 for what they believe in when they themselves are asking for fair treatment for what they believe in.
I am patriotic. I look at both sides.
It's certain people that refuse to look at the PRESENT ISSUES, not the PAST. I am all for O doing the right things, but right now, it looks like business as usual with the exception of his cabinet picks and this stimulus package.
Sticking to the issues is one thing. Calling some unpatriotic just because they don't agree with you is another.
nasty on all sides
Can't we just state our opinions without calling each other "idiots" and "children?" Does that really enhance the argument? Ever?
There is ignorance on both sides here.
As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education. It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe.
There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality. But you cannot group all of us into this category. I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly. That is what I want to teach my children. We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them.
However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay. It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion. I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject.
You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.
I was merely stating there are TWO sides....
to every story. I have not taken sides, as apparently you have. That is all I am saying. The Palestinians are not without fault either, and their present governing body are on the terror watch list. That should mean something....?
Right! Definitely hate from BOTH sides. The OP
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I am, not talking about Clinton, I am talking
about the torture of prisoners, crimes against the Geneva conventions.
It seems that you did not read the last sentence in my former post.
Are you saying that crimes from the near past should all be forgotten?
From looking on both boards, both sides are guilty.
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exploring situation from both sides? What?
Exploring the situation from both sides? What two sides? The man stated crime would go down if we aborted black babies. What is the side you are referring to? It is a racist remark, a dumb remark and insensitive hateful remark. No two ways about it..PERIOD..
It happens on both sides of the political spectrum. It happens sm
in every day life to people who are not political at all. Why try and make it a party line thing. That's just silly and WRONG. Good grief. Do you know the political parties of everyone just this year caught embezzling? I sure don't. Nor do I care. Stop labeling people. By the way, yes, he is a crook. But he is also a Vietnam fighter pilot. He went the wrong path. But let's now throw the baby out with the bath water. Here is where the Christian part kicks in...you know..forgiveness.
Both sides on this issue are doing this for money
The 9/11 widows (money), Hillary (political hay) and Ann (money are both wanting money, power, and fame. They all need to shut up and sit down, because they all are coming out looking like idiots on this.
Failure at so many levels on both sides.
I guess I just don't see how placing blame is going to help. And I think it is sad that because Condi is a Republican (and former Democrat), her accomplishments are diminished in the African-American community.
It might be nice if we could hear both sides...sm
Of course there are 2 sides to every story. There is nothing new about republicans being obstructive on this issue. Pelosi's reasons for her own obstruction are also understandable. These guys are politicians being politicians. The problem I am having with this is the media blackout. It is impossible to get "both sides of the story" if the story is not out there. This is only the latest example of why many democrats perceive Fox and CNN as being conservative, right of center, etc… Fox, because of the way they report and CNN for what they do not report.
Impeachment is not exactly a fringe issue. A 2007 poll cited in Wikipedia showed 46% in favor and 55% opposed (figures for 2008 not given). Since this adds up to 101%, one might wonder which figure is inaccurate. With the margin of error inherent in polls, at the very least, it would be accurate to say that support for impeachment is "near" 50%. So why, pray tell, is this story missing in action?
For those "near" 50%, whether or not it is called an impeachment hearing is not nearly as relevant as the issues being raised during the process and the fact that there is a media blackout. Were that not the case, how likely do you think it is that those percentages would stay the same? Censorship, whether by the government or in the media, undermines the foundation of democratic process. Protecting that process is in the best interest of both political parties, no matter how divided we may be on the issues at hand.
Interesting summation of both sides....
...I saw on another website:
Best comment of the morning: “Which would you rather have:
A Lawyer with zip experience and his wife who never heard anything negative in Rev. Wrong’s church for 20 years and another Lawyer who likes to hear himself talk and both rich and both campaigning on undefined promises of change plus higher taxes (remember Obama’s bill for $800 billion for the UN)
VERSUS
A war hero with plenty of experience who married the American male dream (good looking, smart, rich, owns her own beer company and actually works to help the helpless) and an experienced tough State Governor who is a conservative Christian, cleans up corruption, husband card carrying union man, hocky mom, hunts, wins politically as an outsider, real middle class background who did not get rich in office and is about to live another American female dream: first to become Vice President of the USA and both campaigning on issues?
A NO BRAINER FOR ALL AMERICANS!
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