I agree with you 100% Patty

• Obama - the poster-boy for wimps everywhere
  • What a hate filled post. - Sorry for you...
    • Tell ya what. When I need your sympathy - I'll yank your chain.
    • There is not one thing in the post that leads to hate - just me
  • Wha do you suggest Obama should have done? - ()
  • Agree, posterboy - Pugmom
    • So much hatred in this posting, despicable.. - ()
      • Where were you when Bush was being "slandered"... - watcher
        • Bush was rightfully slandered, not by me, - ()
      • There is no hatred in that post - just me
      • It is not slander. It is freedom of speech - Backwards typist
      • Presidents have been "slandered" since there's been presidents - Patty
        • I agree with you 100% Patty - just me
        • why do we have to continue with what others before - ()
          • I see nothing wrong - Patty
            • I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm - ()
              • No you were not - it's obvious you were talking about the presidents - see message
              • Sure ya were.... - Patty
                • And I was saying that in my opinion it is - ()
                  • Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our - ()
                    • and yet you continue... - cj
            • Patty: that's what you are believing, you with your 'biblical, caged' mind..nm - ()
              • I am an atheist and yet I agree with Patty so find - Victoria
                • How can my world be snmall when I am an - ()
                  • You certainly are no independent - me
                    • No, you are wrong, kow can you know - ()
                • Is tht so? So I assume that you are a flip-flop, - ()
                • How do you assume that my world is small? - ()
                • And even though - Patty
                  • Excuse me? I would hardly call Obama - ()
                    • YIKES! If you would not call Barry from Chicago a far liberal.... - watcher
                      • a far-liberal would probably be someone - ()
              • LOL - Patty
                • look beyond your Bible, so that you can - ()
                  • Everyone has something they believe in.... - watcher
        • read my post farer down......sm - ()
          • Maybe... - Patty
      • it is called freedom of speech - nm - cj
        • this is going too far...........nm - ()
          • umm, no... - cj
            • freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm - ()
              • you do not know what you are talking about - see message - just me
              • The 1st Amendment - for your reading
                • if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech - ()
                  • because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm - ()
                    • utter nonsense - where in the world did you come up with this line - just me
                    • sm... - cj
                    • And many, many times... - Patty
  • Agree wholeheartedly - Old part-timer
    • And I also AGREE.. - Patty
    • Agree also. He is a leader who wants everyone to - like him...eventually will bite us all.nm
  • LOL.....(sm) - Just the big bad
    • Hi, JTBB, I posted exactly the same thought s a couple - ()
    • Not quite - see message - just me
      • Wrong again.....(sm) - Just the big bad
        • No you are wrong - - just me
      • Not right, as far as I can remember 59% voted for Obama...nm - ()
        • A distortion of the facts - see message - just me
        • With the help of ACORN he got 59% - - nm
    • Sorry...but he is not MY President. He is THE President.... - watcher
      • Iran's meddling accusations....sm - ()
      • yes, he IS your president, and he does not care a bit - ()
        • what?? - cj
          • my reply was for watcher', not for you. - ()
            • nothing of substance to say so.. - cj
              • I put my 'substance' in all my posts, I hate - ()
      • If Netanyahu continues to bomb Gaza, - ()
      • Ahmadinejad is doiing what Khatami is telling him to do.. - ()
      • If you are a US citizen, he is YOUR president - sorry about that chief - nm - rolf
        • I'll try to make this a bit clearer for you - just me
        • Sticks and stones, my friend. Didn't vote for the man... - watcher
          • **Sticks and stones?** How bizarre. - Which is it?
            • The sticks and stones were the smart-A (aleck, not a$$).... - watcher
          • every US president is more or less a puppet...nm - ()
          • If they had been elected, absolutely they would be my President - - Amanda
            • Okay....I don't have to like him or support him, but he IS MY President.... - watcher
    • I know you don't expect an answer. They just bash, bash, bash - But don't have anything positive to suggest
      • as said: jealous and hateful losers...nm - ()
      • After all the Bush bashing this is refreshing.... - watcher
        • Hmmmm......(sm) - Just the big bad
          • Drink some more Kool-Aid!! - nm
          • hmmmm.... - watcher
            • There are so many false statements in your post... - ()
            • Microscope in hand...LOL...(sm) - Just the big bad
              • I second your post and 'watcher's post - ()
              • I woulld call that one a slam dunk! - SNAP
                • The slam dunk was by "Watcher" - nm.
                  • wrong, full of wrong statements, see my upper post...nm - ()
                    • Then why did you second watchers post - above? ?????
                      • I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm - ()
                        • Sorry. My bad. Didn't realize - there was more inside
                          • no, it was my bad, because I forgot to put - ()

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a different name to call me.  In your small world you believe that anyone who is against O is a far right, Bible thumping conservative and that is just not the case, as I am proof of it.  Yes, I voted for him, worked on his campaign for 2 years because I truly believed every word that he spewed but with every passing day I regret that. 

Patty, first of all I would like to say that I also share in your views that homosexuality is wrong.  It is my religious right to feel this way, political right or just plain right of opinion and I would hope people would not attack me for my beliefs.  I just wish Patty that instead of getting yourself worked up you would pray for God to lead you in the direction that you could HELP people better understand the Bible and to better understand the pathway to Heaven.

Throughout the years Christians have gotten a lot of backlash as being hypocritical, judgmental and things along those lines.  A lot of people are on the fence as to whether or not they believe in God or believe in the Bible and then a Christian comes along that instead of being supportive and showing how much we and God loves them, they point out and chastise their sins.  That is what you are doing and I personally do not believe that any of your statements made on this board would make a person see homosexuality as wrong and choose to follow a path of God.

You make many statements saying that God tells you to hate the sin.  God tells us to be his servants.  Hating the sin Patty, would be you NOT committing this sin.  It is not you not buying particular music or you pointing out to everyone of such a sin.  If you are wanting to explain yourself, how about post the Bible versus you are referring to, pray about it and let people make their own decisions.  You cannot force your beliefs on anyone.

I understand that you said you would not buy this young man's music.  That is your right.  Would you sit by him if he came to your church?  Would you INVITE him to come to church with you?  How about invite him to Sunday dinner at your house after church?

My husband and I are both are very involved in ministry work and we have helped so many people with many different sins.  I never look at those people by what sins they have committed.  I do not want them looking at me by what sins I have committed either.  We are God's servants.  We are to serve him by bringing people TO him, by spreading His word, by showing them what joy it brings you to be a Christian and how happy we are to walk with the Lord.  We are not God's police to point out sins of others.  We are not to judge others.  We are not to imply that one sin would be worse than another one because they are all equal in our Father's eyes.

I will pray for you Patty and I will pray for understanding for other people as well.

It is very obvious that you are a minority here and you're just trying to stir the pot, as you always do.  Nobody wants to hear your bigoted idiotic statements about something you know nothing about, so just keep handling your snakes and leave everybody else's sex life alone.  It is none of your business!!

who actually did play the race card first: 

' I could be discriminated against too.....if I chose to be homo but I don't. Our sexual partner is a choice. Rosa Parks couldn't change her color and women can't cut off their vaginas. You CAN choose who you have sexual relations with. Now stop blubbering. You're making puddles.'

As Rosa Parks was a black woman who defied the law to sit in the whites-only part of the bus, I believe Patty brought up the race subject to which I was merely responding. 

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And is moving their plant to MEXICO.  It's situations like this where NAFTA should be renegotiated and remove any profit incentive for companies to take away American jobs like this.

Although I really like York Peppermint Patties, I don't think I'll continue to buy this product.

Hershey closing York Peppermint Patty plant in Pa.

By Associated Press

POSTED: 03:30 p.m. EST, Feb 20, 2009

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.

It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.

I almost feel for some of these people.  A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor.  Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7.  I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them.  All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.

Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries.  They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods.  About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.

Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.

With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope.  I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.

And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today.  The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."

I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made.  But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy.  Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.

Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned.  I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT.  If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters.  Am I painting that picture correctly GT?

I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican. 

As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work.  The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help.  Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency. 

I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work.  If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that.  But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working.  Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.

I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..

I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it.  I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq.  O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there.  I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest:  The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.

And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.

I also agree about Cheney.  He's very scary.  There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own.  And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*.  For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers.  If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example).  Nothing is out of bounds any more.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 

Bush and his military brass treated this family horribly.  They did nothing but lie about everything.  (Big surprise, huh?)

They tried to use Pat Tillman as their poster child for recruiting purposes, but Tillman wouldn't agree to be used that way.

When I think if the incredible courage and integrity Pat Tillman had and I look at what a coward Bush was when it came to fighting in a war and what a lying sack of crap he is today, it's easy to see who the REAL man is, and it just makes me want to spit on Bush.