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Read on down. Some posters below are defending Bennett's remarks...sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2005-09-30
In Reply to: Before you continue with your generalization rampage - Rep

so while you may feel they are wrong, which I think the white house was right to condemn them. BENNETT having served in two high positions, Secretary of education and over drugs under Bush Sr with these views, is worrisome.

I think his true *colors* are shining through.


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So you have nothing to offer when it comes to defending Bennett's statements...sm
as you posted earlier that they were taken out of context. When asked to enlighten us on the context, you instead want to take Zauber to task. I know why, because there is no defense for these statements and a sound minded person wouldn't even try. Even the dupes on capitol hill are criticizing the statements.
If anyone is dividing America it is Bennett by his remarks and Bush
No, Im not trying to defend the democratic party or help with dividing this country.  Bennetts remarks have nothing to do with political parties, they have to do with insensitive hurtful hateful remarks made by him..I divide the black white community?  I beg your pardon, I have always associated with minorities in America.  I have lived side by side with them, dated them, married one of them and I will continue to care for the minorities..the white republican capitalists do not need my support nor do they deserve my support..
I am not defending the thugs. Read my post again. Thanks.
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And I think you have to read all of my posts, I am responding to arrogant inflammatory remarks, whic
Substantiation, no real substance, and yet these people are CHOOSING to start devisive threads with divisive remarks on this board, even making statements that historically are 100% inaccurate. Yes, I pray for unity, compassion, wisdom, etc., but the rabid Republicans on this board (and I do not mean all Rep., just a few loud ones), want to harshy judge and condemnn the new administration without giving things a chance, what would you call that? What about the "hit and run" posts by right wingers who continue to stir the pot with incorrect, slanted, and inflammatory remarks here? Fair is fair, I try to back up each statement I make with historical facts, I try to see both points of view (wow, I have actually agreed with Republicans on certain subjects!), but this board is not about me, or you, it is about all of us trying to hash out all the many struggles this nation now has, and with restraint, intelligence, and care look at each problem and try to help fix it. America comes first. Period.
Read this closely. You've confused me with other posters.
And you jump on me like I'm the other poster(s) that you were railing about.

Geez, at least try to address the correct poster when you go on your rants.

It's very unbecoming.


Im not mean..Bennett is
I think the person who is mean is Bennett.  How would you like to be a black person hearing him say that..that to abort black babies would reduce/stop crime?  For pete sake.  He is not a straight thinking person, if he was he would not have singled out a whole ethnic group of people stating we could abort them.  Also, if he was a straight thinking person, he would realize this is gonna start trouble in America, people are gonna get mad, people are gonna be asking for his head, people are going to be calling for him to lose his radio show, which they now are and also it is going to reinforce the opinion of many that republicans are a white persons political group.  You cant say these kind of things, cause it is just not right.  All people, no matter what color, creed, religion have their criminals and good.  That is why he is not a straight thinking man.  It is an inflammatory remark.  I dont know where you reside but out here we have towns called Compton and Watts, mostly black areas, and the tension there is quite palpable.  Those are the areas that erupted in riots after the Rodney King beating in the 1990's.  All people have to hear is this remark and it can incite rage, especially after New Orleans and the feeling that maybe they were not rescued because they were minorities..even if not true, these feelings are raw and ready to blow.  His remark is as stupid as the remark from Robertson about Chavez..you just dont say those kinds of things in a civilized society..Bennett can think whatever he wants but you most certainly dont say it on radio. 
WH criticizes Bennett..
Wow..even WH criticizes Bennett for his comments..guess now the neocons will stop defending Bennetts comments and stop posting their feeble defense on the liberal board..

 



White House criticizes Bennett for comments


Ex-education secretary tied crime rate to aborting black babies




 




Updated: 11:07 a.m. ET Sept. 30, 2005

WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday criticized former Education Secretary William Bennett for remarks linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.


“The president believes the comments were not appropriate,” White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.


Bennett, on his radio show, “Morning in America,” was answering a caller’s question when he took issue with the hypothesis put forth in a recent book that one reason crime is down is that abortion is up.




 

“But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,” said Bennett, author of “The Book of Virtues.”


He went on to call that “an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.”


Democrats demand apology
On Thursday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats demanded that Bennett apologize for the remarks.


Responding later to criticism, Bennett said his comments had been mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea of supporting abortion to reduce crime was “morally reprehensible.”


On his show Thursday, Bennett, who opposes abortion, said he was “pointing out that abortion should not be opposed for economic reasons any more than racism ... should be supported or opposed for economic reasons. Immoral policies are wrong because they are wrong, not because of an economic calculation.”


Reid, D-Nev., said he was “appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks” and called on him “to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation.”


Rep. Raum Emanuel, D-Ill., said in a statement, “At the very time our country yearns for national unity in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, these comments reflect a spirit of hate and division.”


© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

UGLY BENNETT









Ugly Bennett

Hit on 'abort every black baby' gaffe










William Bennett
Morality maven William Bennett was in holier-than-thou hell yesterday after the White House and just about everybody else blasted him for saying the crime rate could be reduced by aborting every black baby in this country.

The best-selling author of The Book of Virtues insisted he was no racist and refused to apologize.

I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition, Bennett said on his Morning in America radio show.

But the Bush administration quickly distanced itself from the cultural conservative. The President believes the comments were not appropriate, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

While Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats demanded that Bennett apologize, NAACP chief Bruce Gordon said he was personally offended and angry that Bennett felt he could make such a public statement with impunity.

The Rev. Al Sharpton called the conservative's comments blatantly racist. He's a man who thinks black and crime are synonymous, he said.

But Bennett was defended by his brother, high-powered Washington lawyer Robert Bennett.

What I would emphasize is that he called this morally reprehensible, the lawyer told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. I think it's largely making a mountain out of a molehill.

Responding to a caller on Wednesday's radio program, Bennett said he disagreed with the hypothesis put forward in another best seller, Freakonomics, that crime goes down as abortions go up.

But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down, said Bennett.

Bennett, a Republican who opposes abortion, then added that this would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.

Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything links the drop in crime to a drop in the number of children born into poverty after Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion. But authors Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner did not assume that those aborted fetuses would have been black.

Race is not in any way central to our arguments about abortion and crime, Levitt wrote on his blog yesterday.

The Brooklyn-reared Bennett was education secretary under President Ronald Reagan and the nation's first drug czar under the first President George Bush. A darling of the religious right, Bennett's credentials as moralizer-in-chief were tarnished two years ago when he admitted he had a gambling problem.


Dumb's the word


What William Bennett said:

But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.

Originally published on September 30, 2005


Because Bennett's *values* match their own.

They must be very confused by the WH's response.  Probably don't know what they're allowed to *think* about this.


My hunch, based on their own posts, is that at this moment in time, they'd all vote for Bennett because his inner prejudices and hatred match their own.


What exactly was Bennett's point in making this comment?
I guess one could say that statistically he could be somewhat right, but then you could also say that since North Dakota has the hightest alcoholism rate that perhaps we could hypothesize the elimination of all North Dakotans, or all Alaskans since it has the highest illicit drug use rate.  Yes, one could break down all the social ills of our country by region or ethnicity and make assumptions and point fingers but what is the point?  It seems to me his ethically tactless comment serves to inflame a great racial and socioeconomic divide in this country.
I am sure it has something to do with the fact that Coombs knows Bennett is not a racist. nm

Freakanomics, Democrat, is NOT Bennett's book. sm

It you had read the entire article posted here and gone to Bennett's website, you would know that.  But it's easier to just run with the first bone of information and negate the facts.  If Bill Maher told Bennett to do that, he would make a fool of himself...yet again. 


If one was to say that Bill Bennett believed crime could and should be reduced by abortion, then one could also argue that liberals who support abortion believe in and advocate black genocide.

Do they really want to go there...?


You can't rightly theorize when you still don't understand what Bennett was saying. sm
And you don't, or won't. 
Parents want to abort Bennett's 3M pact
Parents want to abort Bennett's $3M pact

By MENSAH M. DEAN
deanm@phillynews.com

Philadelphia parents and education activists are
demanding that the city school district end the $3
million contract it awarded in April to K12 Inc., in
light of controversial remarks the company's board
chairman made this week about aborting black babies.

William J. Bennett, chairman of the board of the
Washington-area education company and a former U.S.
Education Secretary, set off protests with remarks he
made during his nationally syndicated radio talk show
Wednesday.

Responding to a caller, Bennett took issue with the
hypothesis put forth in a recent book that one reason
crime is down is that abortion is up. Bennett said:
If you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that
were your sole purpose - you could abort every black
baby in this country and your crime rate would go
down.

That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally
reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would
go down, Bennett said.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan yesterday
said The president believes the comments were not
appropriate.

Bennett later said his comments had been
mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea
of supporting abortion to reduce crime was morally
reprehensible.

Though some of the Philadelphia school district's top
science teachers raised concerns about K12's
qualifications and experience, the district awarded
the company the contract to supply kindergarten
through third-grade science curriculum materials in
April.

I find it hard to see any explanation for why they're
here in Philadelphia educating many of the black
children Mr. Bennett clearly finds it provocative to
call expendable, said Helen Gym, a mother of a
district third-grader.

I am very rarely struck speechless anymore. However,
I could not get words out of my mouth this morning
when I realized that my school district is somehow
providing support to this company, said Ellayne
Bender, mother of a district 11th-grader.

On a moral level, as a human being, Bender added, I
would like to see the contract voided.

Last fall, Bennett publicly touted district schools
CEO Paul Vallas as a good candidate to become the next
U.S. Secretary of Education. Last night, however,
Vallas stepped away from the man with whom he had been
cordial.

I read his comments, and his comments are outrageous
and offensive to all of us, Vallas said of Bennett.
We do not have a relationship with Bill Bennett. Our
contract is with K12, who are doing an excellent job
in our schools. In my opinion, any extension of the
contract could be jeopardized by his continued
presence on the board.

The length of the contract was not immediately known.

Bennett was education secretary under President Reagan
and director of drug control policy when Bush's father
was president.


Media Matters...William Bennett Audio...sm

You'd have to hear it yourself to get the correct context.  The caller was not even talking about reducing the crime rate, Bennett brought this up out of the blue, and he says I do know... before he made the comment, NOT making a reference to Freakonomics but his own opinion.


From the September 28 broadcast of Salem Radio Network's Bill Bennett's Morning in America:



CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.


BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?


CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.


BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.


CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.


BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --


CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.


BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.


Bennett and Ralph Reed sitting in a tree.. B-E-T-T-I-N-G
Reed fought ban on betting
Anti-gambling bill was defeated


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/02/05

Ralph Reed, who has condemned gambling as a cancer on the American body politic, quietly worked five years ago to kill a proposed ban on Internet wagering — on behalf of a company in the online gambling industry.


Reed, now a Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Georgia, helped defeat the congressional proposal despite its strong support among many Republicans and conservative religious groups. Among them: the national Christian Coalition organization, which Reed had left three years earlier to become a political and corporate consultant.


A spokesman for Reed said the political consultant fought the ban as a subcontractor to Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff's law firm. But he said Reed did not know the specific client that had hired Abramoff: eLottery Inc., a Connecticut-based company that wants to help state lotteries sell tickets online — an activity the gambling measure would have prohibited.


Reed declined to be interviewed for this article. His aides said he opposed the legislation because by exempting some types of online betting from the ban, it would have allowed online gambling to flourish. Proponents counter that even a partial ban would have been better than no restrictions at all.


Anti-gambling activists say they never knew that Reed, whom they once considered an ally, helped sink the proposal in the House of Representatives. Now some of them, who criticized other work Reed performed on behalf of Indian tribes that own casinos, say his efforts on eLottery's behalf undermine his image as a champion of public morality, which he cultivated as a leader of the religious conservative movement in the 1980s and '90s.


It flies in the face of the kinds of things the Christian Coalition supports, said the Rev. Cynthia Abrams, a United Methodist Church official in Washington who coordinates a group of gambling opponents who favored the measure. They support family values. Stopping gambling is a family concern, particularly Internet gambling.


Reed's involvement in the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 2000, never previously reported, comes to light as authorities in Washington scrutinize the lobbying activities of Abramoff, a longtime friend who now is the target of several federal investigations.


The eLottery episode echoes Reed's work against a lottery, video poker and casinos in Alabama, Louisiana and Texas: As a subcontractor to two law firms that employed Abramoff, Reed's anti-gambling efforts were funded by gambling interests trying to protect their business.


After his other work with Abramoff was revealed, Reed asserted that he was fighting the expansion of gambling, regardless of who was paying the bills. And he said that, at least in some cases, his fees came from the nongaming income of Abramoff's tribal clients, a point that mollified his political supporters who oppose gambling. With the eLottery work, however, Reed has not tried to draw such a distinction.


By working against the Internet measure, Reed played a part in defeating legislation that sought to control a segment of the gambling industry that went on to experience prodigious growth.


Since 2001, the year after the proposed ban failed, annual revenue for online gambling companies has increased from about $3.1 billion worldwide to an estimated $11.9 billion this year, according to Christiansen Capital Advisers, a New York firm that analyzes market data for the gambling industry.


Through a spokesman, Abramoff declined to comment last week on his work with Reed for eLottery.


Federal records show eLottery spent $1.15 million to fight the anti-gambling measure during 2000. Of that, $720,000 went to Abramoff's law firm at the time, Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds of Washington. According to documents filed with the secretary of the U.S. Senate, Preston Gates represented no other client on the legislation.


Reed's job, according to his campaign manager, Jared Thomas, was to produce a small run of direct mail and other small media efforts to galvanize religious conservatives against the 2000 measure. Aides declined to provide reporters with examples of Reed's work. Nor would Thomas disclose Reed's fees.


Since his days with the Christian Coalition, Reed consistently has identified himself as a gambling opponent. Speaking at a National Press Club luncheon in Washington in 1996, for instance, Reed called gambling a cancer and a scourge that was responsible for orphaning children ... [and] turning wives into widows.


But when the online gambling legislation came before Congress in 2000, Reed took no public position on the measure, aides say.


In 2004, Reed told the National Journal, a publication that covers Washington politics, that his policy was to turn down work paid for by casinos. In that interview, he did not address working for other gambling interests.


Some anti-gambling activists reject Reed's contention that he didn't know his work against the measure benefited a company that could profit from online gambling.


It slips over being disingenuous, said the Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, who worked for the gambling ban. Jack Abramoff was known as 'Casino Jack' at the time. If Jack's doling out tickets to this feeding trough, for Ralph to say he didn't know — I don't believe that.


A well-kept secret


When U.S. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) first introduced the Internet gambling ban, in 1997, he named among its backers the executive director of the Christian Coalition: Ralph Reed.


In remarks published in the Congressional Record, Goodlatte said, This legislation is supported ... across the spectrum, from Ralph Reed to Ralph Nader.


But Reed's role in the ban's failure three years later was a well-kept secret, even from Goodlatte. That's in part because Reed's Duluth-based Century Strategies — a public affairs firm that avoids direct contact with members of Congress — is not subject to federal lobbying laws that would otherwise require the company to disclose its activities.


We were not aware that Reed was working against our bill, Kathryn Rexrode, a spokeswoman for Goodlatte, said last week.


Several large conservative religious organizations, with which Reed often had been aligned before leaving the Christian Coalition in 1997, joined together to support the legislation. Those groups included the Southern Baptist Convention, the United Methodist Church, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council — and the Christian Coalition.


In addition, four prominent evangelical leaders signed a letter in May 2000 urging Congress to pass the legislation: James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition; Jerry Falwell, formerly of the Moral Majority; and Charles Donovan of the Family Research Council.


Among the other supporters: the National Association of Attorneys General, Major League Baseball and the National Association of Convenience Stores, whose members are among the largest lottery ticket sellers.


Opponents, in addition to eLottery and other gambling interests, included the Clinton administration, which argued that existing federal laws were sufficient to combat the problem. In a policy statement, the administration predicted the measure would open a floodgate for other forms of illegal gambling.


To increase the measure's chances of passage, its sponsors had added provisions that would have allowed several kinds of online gambling — including horse and dog racing and jai alai — to remain legal.


Thomas, Reed's campaign manager, said in a statement last week that those exceptions amounted to an expansion of online gambling: Under the bill, a minor with access to a computer could have bet on horses and gambled at a casino online.


Thomas' statement claimed that the Southern Baptists and the Christian Coalition opposed the legislation for the same reason as Reed.


Actually, the Southern Baptist Convention lent its name to the group of religious organizations that backed the legislation. But as the measure progressed, the convention became uncomfortable with the exceptions and quietly spread the word that it was neutral, a spokesman said last week.


As for the Christian Coalition, it argued against the exceptions before the vote. But it issued an action alert two days after the ban's defeat, urging its members to call Congress and demand the legislation be reconsidered and passed.


In fact, the letter signed by the four evangelical leaders indicated a bargain had been reached with the Christian Coalition and other religious groups. In exchange for accepting minor exemptions for pari-mutuel wagering, the evangelicals got what they wanted most — a ban on lottery ticket sales over the Internet. Other anti-gambling activists say the exceptions disappointed them But they accepted the measure as an incremental approach to reining in online gambling.


We all recognized it wasn't perfect, Abrams, the Methodist official, said last week. We decided we weren't going to let the best be the enemy of the good.


Any little thing, she said in an earlier interview, would have been a victory.


Plans to expand


Founded in 1993, eLottery has provided online services to state lotteries in Idaho, Indiana and Maryland and to the national lottery in Jamaica, according to its Web site. It had plans to expand its business by facilitating online ticket sales, effectively turning every home computer with an Internet connection into a lottery terminal.


The president of eLottery's parent company, Edwin McGuinn, did not respond to recent requests for an interview. Earlier this year, he told The Washington Post that by banning online lottery ticket sales, the 2000 legislation would have put eLottery out of business. We wouldn't have been able to operate, the Post quoted McGuinn as saying.


Even with Abramoff and other lobbyists arguing against the measure, and Reed generating grass-roots opposition to it, a solid majority of House members voted for the measure in July 2000.


But that wasn't enough. House rules required a two-thirds majority for expedited passage, so the legislation died.


In addition to hiring Abramoff's firm to lobby for the measure's defeat, eLottery paid $25,000 toward a golfing trip to Scotland that Abramoff arranged for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) — then the House majority whip, later the majority leader — several weeks before the gambling measure came up for a vote, according to the Post. Another $25,000 for the trip came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, an Abramoff client with casino interests, the Post reported. The trip, which is under review by the House Ethics Committee, was not related to DeLay's indictment on a conspiracy charge last week.


The campaign against the Internet gambling ban was one of several successful enterprises in which Abramoff and Reed worked together.


The Choctaws paid for Reed's work in 1999 and 2000 to defeat a lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama. In 2001 and 2002, another Abramoff client that operates a casino, the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, put up the money for Reed's efforts in Louisiana and Texas to eliminate competition from other tribes. Reed was paid about $4 million for that work.


Abramoff, once one of Washington's most influential lobbyists, now is under federal indictment in a Florida fraud case and is facing investigations by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee and the Justice Department into whether he defrauded Indian tribes he represented, including those that paid Reed's fees. Reed has not been accused of wrongdoing.


Reed and Abramoff have been friends since the early 1980s. That's when Abramoff, as chairman of the national College Republicans organization, hired Reed to be his executive director. Later, Reed introduced Abramoff to the woman he married.


In an interview last month about his consulting business, Reed declined to elaborate on his personal and professional relationships with Abramoff. At one point, Reed was asked if Abramoff had hired him to work for clients other than Indian tribes.


Reed's answer: Not that I can recall.












 
 









 
Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1005/02reed.html
 


Remarks we can all do without

I pity you.


Nice cut and paste job.


You are not witty.


These are not your own words.


I feel really sorry for you.


I will pray for you.


You are so funny - NOT.


You are a (republican/democrat) clone.


You take your talking points right from the (democrat/republican) party play book.


You're a dope because you watch Fox.


You're a jerk because you watch MSNBC.


Beck and Limbaugh are gods.


Olbermann and Matthews are gods.


Yeah, well BUSH....Yeah, well CLINTON [these guys are not president anymore.]


Some remarks on your remarks --
I am not here to argue, but just to give my opinion. I basically am like gourdpainter, my vote was more against McCain/Palin (mostly just Palin) than for Obama.

There are some things you addressed that I dont agree with that Obama has done, but there are things he has done that I do agree with.

The deal with the cigarettes - I wholeheartedly agree with this. It does not make tobacco or nicotine illegal, it only gives oversight into what they can say in their advertising, their packaging, and the way they can target young people. As a person who has had many family members die of tobacco-related diseases, I say anything to keep young people from starting and getting hooked is a plus.

Murdering late term babies - I do not think that Obama is advocating murdering babies. I think he is just pro-choice, as am I. I personally would never have an abortion, and I would be devastated if I found out my child did, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose that herself.

The lobbyists - yes, I believe he backtracked on that, but I also believe that it is probably pretty hard to find someone in Washington who is not connected in some way and he did not realize how hard it would be at the time.

Now, for Michelle - I do not see where she did anything illegal in her job and if the hospital felt she was worth over 300,000 a year, then it was not illegal for her to get that pay. I do not think it was wrong for them to try to find ways to get patients out of the emergency rooms for nonemergency treatments either. They said that a lot of times people were sitting there waiting 24 hours or more to be treated for a sore throat - what was wrong with offering them a ride to another clinic or hospital, especially since many times they said there were clinics closer to the person's home than where they were at.

As for the part of misusing government funds, I have not read that, but will look it up later as I have time.

I will not go so far as GP and say I am ready to eat crow yet, because I feel like Obama has done a relatively good job - I just feel like there are things he could do better and things I am still waiting on him to do that he promised... and if he doesn't, my next vote will definitely be against him.
Not that she needs defending . . . sm

All of you haters have the nerve to call JTBB hateful?  Are you kidding or extremely delusional?  Don't bother -- I already know the answer to that one.  First of all, just look at your comments.  Very scary stuff, i must say, and extremely immature.  Anybody with a brain can read the comments on this board and know who is hate-filled and it sure ain't JTBB.  Should I run through the list of those on your hate list?  Let's see:  Democrats, homosexuals, non-Christians, anyone not American, your own President and ANYONE who has a different opinion than yours.  When I read comments like these, I picture a crazed mob with pitchforks in hand out for blood!  Pretty picture, huh?


As for the comment about JTBB going to the Faith board, I have read some of the very adult discussions she has had there, and they are nothing but thought-provoking, backed by historical or theological facts, and have a genuine curiosity about what Christians believe and is NEVER degrading, condescending or goading in any way, and usually the posters she engages there are likewise adult and willing to have an honest discourse without attacking or being as hateful as you people here. 


 "First they laughed at us...and then they died."  (Hope your're proud of this very threatening comment; you should really seek some help).


"JTBB is the most bigoted voice on here."  (Guess you don't listen to yourself much, do you?)


". . .no problem going to the Faith board in the hopes of goading someone into a fight."


I find most of the anger and and outright hatred expressed on this forum extremely distasteful and very disturbing and it makes me ashamed to share the same industry with people like you, as I consider the medical field to usually require a compassionate type of personality, and I see none of that here.


 


 


 


 


Lowery's remarks
I was brought up during the times when blacks were told to sit in the back of buses, when we had sit-ins at the counters at 5&10 cent stores downtown where I lived, where the water fountains were marked with white and colored, bathrooms the same, when I personally saw on television blacks being attacked by dogs, black kids not allowed to go to school with whites- I have been there. I am white, I do have ancestors who were slave owners and think nothing of his speech and yes, whites should embrace what is right. You are true about racism being on both sides, absolutely true but as an older white lady and born and raised in the south, I think his comments were straight on. Why get so offensive when a remark about whites made? I remember my father calling black folks "coloreds" and I would always ask, well what color are they?
There is no defending this action. SM
But what makes you think this guy is a conservative?  Did he say that. I read this and I don't see him making a statement.   Your signs don't even begin to measure up to mine.  I would have thought the cesspool DU could have come up with better than that.
I am not necessarily defending them.
I am trying to make people have a broader view of them.  Gadfly seemed to be headed in that direction, but, of course, that was too much for you to bear. One mind, I know the drill.  Hateful?  Not at all.  Truth, gt. It's called truth.  It's my truth and I am sticking to it.  More might be truthful with you if they weren't afraid of getting their leg chewed off to the knee.  You won't argue with me, because you can't.  You don't operate on logic, you operate on emotion.  Kill the messenger was invented as a slogan exactly for people like you.  If you move outside your comfort zone, you attack the messenger, cut them off at the knees, with an airy 'this just isn't worth discussing' or some such.  Surely, I am not the first to have pointed this out to you.  I won't be the last either.  I have had my fill.  My expectations were far too high on finding this board.  I will move on along, before you revoke my privileges.  As far as racism, I posted many excellent examples of it up at the top of the board, not that you would read it. I can imagine that you are the type who never reads posts, only the headings, or at the very least a line or two, and then just responds out of sheer emotion.  One can do that on chat boards.  How you get away with it in life,  I have an idea.  I won't say it here though, lest you endanger yourself with a stroke at hearing the truth. 
Geez. Of course I would be defending her....
her wealth has NOTHING to do with it. She is a first-time offender. You hate her because she is rich, that's obvious. I don't care how much money she has or does not have. She is a first offender. She should be treated like any other first offender. Barack Obama AND John McCain are for rehab, not incarceration, for first-time offenders. Neither of them tie it to wealth. Barack Obama is a millionaire. What if we were talking about Michelle Obama instead of Cindy McCain? You would be screaming at the top of your lungs to defend Michelle Obama and guess what...SO WOULD I. Even though I don't want her husband to be President and even though they are RICH. Your bias is showing.
defending these thugs? Wow,
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Defending Obama

He does not really need defending.  He is out there for all to see.  There will always be a fringe element passing along conspiracy theories and innuendo -- that's what the Atwaters of the world depend on.  The sensible majority has spoken and Obama was elected. I have noticed that traffic at this site has dropped drastically since the neocons were so soundly trounced.  I would expect that the few remaining will eventually run out of gas as Obama continues to forge ahead with his principled approach to the country's problems. Future's so bright I have to wear shades.  Obama and Michelle interviewed by Barbara Walters tonight - a happy pre-Thanksgiving treat.


 


P.S. Thank you for defending our country and

keeping us free.


I'm not defending Republicans. sm
If Bush were still President, they would sign the bill. Both sides are bunch of rats to me.
None of you are doing a good job in defending
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Anyone defending what Garofalo said the other day
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I certainly don't defend the remarks, but they were taken out of context
Obviously, the example Bennett used of aborting every black child was a very poorly thought out example, but his remarks were also taken grossly out of context by the mainstream media.  He went on say it would be a morally reprehensible thing to do.  He was commenting on the idiots that said that crime or poverty was down since the legalizing of abortion.  He thinks abortion of any kind is wrong...he was turning their logic around on them.  He certainly does not think that every black baby should be aborted.  GRANTED, there are radical right wingers (the KKK, aryan nation etc.) would think this was a great idea, but they are radical and not the mainstream as Ms. Libby FALSELY stated...
Im thinking those outrageous remarks
of pat Robertson about Sharon's stroke might just put a kink in this deal..
Everybody makes stupid remarks
If your an Obama "fan" you are going to defend Obama and say McCain was wrong, and if your a McCain "fan" your going to defend what McCain says and say Obama was wrong. Clearly McCain singing what he wants to do to Iran to the tune of a Beach Boys song was clearly way out of line and the way he covered it up was saying it was a joke. which everyone knows was not a joke. I think the latest two statements (well one of them has not been made recently but the republicans keep bringing it up like she just said it yesterday). Michelle Obama's statement about being proud of her country for the first time. We ALL knew what she meant and anyone who didn't is not being truthful. Everyone knew exactly what she meant. I am a veteran. I was in the Army serving under Reagan. I couldn't have been any more proud of my country back then and wanted to give my time to serve and make a difference. I loved my country. What's happened to it since I am not at all proud of. Politicians are crooked, self-serving, lyers (could think of lots of other things to say about them but I will stop there). With the leaders we have had since Reagan (every one of them) makes me ashamed. To see the greed of corporate american, people like Ken Lay, people like the guy who threw his wife a 40th birthday party that cost $2.1 million (he took the funds out of his company never paying for anything himself), how about the guy who spent $6,000 for a shower curtain for his apartment in Manhattan and took the funds from his business to pay for it. Those are only a fraction of the most "insane" things of the corrupt business americans (insane is the only word I can think of). John Edwards words are true - there are two American's and the rich and greedy sure don't want to live like the rest of us do. Sure its nice they have all the money they can do whatever they want with it, but where do you think they are getting their money from.

On the other hand the two America's I think about are the one's who want to live together as one nation, and the other who to this day are still bigots. Who can't see beyond the color of someone's skin. I am truly ashamed to be an American when we have people like that still living in this country. People who believe that politics and our president should only be white. Then again you have the religious side to America and that's where I am ashamed to be an American there too. Too many wars are being fought over religion in other countries and we have the same thing here. Pure hatred for others who are not in "their club". So I (and 99% of other americans) knew exactly what Michelle Obama was talking about and we agreed. Even Laura Bush came out and in an interview said she knew what Michelle Obama meant. But the republicans liked to turn it around and make it something it was not.

On the other hand what John McCain said about the cigarette incident was clearly a joke. Everyone knows that cigarettes can kill you. I thought it was funny (and I used to smoke and my family members still smoke), but there you go with the democrats being no better than the republicans, pulling at any straws to try and make something out of nothing.

So I just say everyone makes stupid remarks now and then. You can't say one side is better than the other. People have to get over it and move on. Man I can't wait for the election to be over.
Shopping and wardrobe remarks
Pleeease... what do you think all these first ladies do and have done for years? You think they have been buying all those fancy gowns, etc.? I guarantee they have all been guilty of it.
These remarks from Iran and Russia may not
RE: Response to Obama's election by Iran: What I see here is an opening for dialog in the recognition that there is a capacity for improvement of ties, not exactly the "Death to America" sentiments expressed in the past, this despite Obama's statement directed at those who would tear the world down (we will defeat you). I also see several implied preconditions. After all, preconditions are a two-way street:

1. I would be curious to have Aghamohammadi expand on what he means by Bush style "confrontation" in other countries. He is the spokesperson for the National Security Council in Iran, has been involved with the EU, Britian, France and Germany as a nuclear arms negotiator and would be directly involved in any dialog with the US on the subject of nuclear arms nonproliferation. We hardly have a leg to stand in this arena with our current "do as I say, not as I do and never mind the nuclear stockpiles in Israel we financed" approach. My guess would be he is condemning military invasion and occupation, hardly a radical position for any sovereign nation to take. In his own capacity, he should understand the US has unfinished business in Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan, so it is impossible to know in the absence of dialog what alternatives to military invasion may be possible. It might be worth a look-see.
2. His implied request for the US to "concentrate on state matters" might be seen by some as a little progress, especially since, at the moment, we do not even have an embassy in Iran. This also implies a possible opening to US business interests there (which were abundant under the Shah), a staging ground for diplomacy and establishing an avenue for articulating US foreign policy within their borders.
3. Concentrating on removing the American people's concerns would imply a desire on his part to repair and improve Iran's image abroad.

A well thought out response to these implied preconditions would be a logical place for Obama to start when speculating on his own preconditions.

RE: Russia's recent behavior and rhetoric is worrisome on many levels to more than a few countries in the region. Cold war with Russia is in NOBODY'S interest, including Russia's I fail to see how turning our backs, isolating ourselves or ratcheting up bellicose rhetoric toward them would do anything except give them a green light to proceed. It's an ugly world out there and Obama will inevitably be taking either a direct or an indirect diplomatic role in addressing this issue. Russia has expressed that same expectation.

I agree with you and find humor in the remarks from Sudan. Anyway, wait and watch is all we can do at this point. It certainly beats the heck out of prognostications of failure or defeat.

inappropriate racial remarks
I agree Terri - that remark was extremely unappropriate and does not belong here, and unfortunately such a remark can be attributed to ignorance and hatred - which DEFINITELY DOES NOT BELONG HERE.
*Compassionate Conservative* Bill Bennett: Abort every black baby, reduce crime.


William Bennett Defends Comment on Abortion and Crime


'Book of Virtues' Author Says Hypothetical Remark Was Valid


By JAKE TAPPER



- After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled Values Czar Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime.

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down, he added.


Outrage From Democrats


Bennett was secretary of education for President Ronald Reagan and is considered one of the Republican Party's big brains. But this week Democrats and some Republicans seemed to also question if Bennett's mouth is of size as well.

Democrats expressed outrage, ranging from demands for an apology to requests that the Federal Communications Commission suspend Bennett's show.

Republicans, Democrats and all Americans of good will should denounce this statement, should distance themselves from Mr. Bennett, said Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., D-Ill. And the private sector should not support Mr. Bennett's radio show or his comments on the air.

I'm not even going to comment on something that disgusting, said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Really, I'm thinking of my black grandchild and I'm going to hold (off).


'Things That People Are Thinking'


In an interview with ABC News, Bennett said that anyone who knows him knows he isn't racist. He said he was merely extrapolating from the best-selling book Freakonomics, which posits the hypothesis that falling crimes rates are related to increased abortion rates decades ago. It would have worked for, you know, single-parent moms; it would have worked for male babies, black babies, Bennett said. So why immediately bring up race when discussing crime rates? There was a lot of discussion about race and crime in New Orleans, Bennett said. There was discussion – a lot of it wrong – but nevertheless, media jumping on stories about looting and shooting and gangs and roving gangs and so on.

There's no question this is on our minds, Bennett said. What I do on our show is talk about things that people are thinking … we don't hesitate to talk about things that are touchy.

Bennett said, I'm sorry if people are hurt, I really am. But we can't say this is an area of American life (and) public policy that we're not allowed to talk about – race and crime.

Robert George, an African-American, Republican editorial writer for the New York Post, agrees that Bennett's comments were not meant as racist. But he worries they feed into stereotypes of Republicans as insensitive. His overall point about not making broad sociological claims and so forth, that was a legitimate point, George said. But it seems to me someone with Bennett's intelligence … should know better the impact of his words and sort of thinking these things through before he speaks.

The blunt-spoken Bennett has ruffled feathers before, most recently in 2003 for revelations that despite his best-selling books about virtue and values, he is a high-rolling preferred customer at Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos.

In light of accusations that the Bush administration should have been more sensitive to black victims of Hurricane Katrina, a Republican official told ABC News that Bennett's comments were probably as poorly timed as they were politically incorrect.

ABC News' Avery Miller, Karen Travers and Toni L. Wilson contributed to this report.



stop defending the rich
Either you are rich or a fool..Do you actually think the rich are defending us the way you are defending them?  We need to take care of the people who carry America on their backs, the middle class.  The rich could not care less about us.  They dont even know the workings of every day life.  I have an extremely well off friend..he does not use credit cards..pays with cash..told me I should just pay with cash for my new Jeep that I bought a few years ago instead of monthly payments..yeah, right, LOL..thanks for the advice...moon beam..he never even used an ATM..thinks being rich is justified cause they can show us Renoir paintings (as when Bellagio had Steve Wynns paintings on show), they can show the little people the beauty of life..Oh geez..the rich do not even realize that the middle class exists..other than to work at their companies and factories, so they can stay rich.
Not defending violent protesters, but for the 10,000 others
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It gets tiring defending her too, but some people are
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I too am for defending innocent animals
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. ALL animals should be treated in a humane fashion.

I am offended that people will defend wildlife and endangered species but they think nothing of eating meat and animals that have been treated cruelly.

How can you say it's cruel to hunt animals, but you don't think it's cruel how chickens, cattle, pigs and other animals are treated before you (no, not you personally because I don't know if your a vegetarian) but people who are not vegetarians will think nothing and don't care how the animals they are eating are being treated.
He called you a 'crone', why do you keep defending him?...nm
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Derogatory remarks about the Kennedy family.
Oh you mean like the fact that Joseph Kennedy thought Hitler was a great man.  That fact?  Or that he made much of his money bootlegging.  That fact?  Or maybe that Ted killed a young woman and was never prosecuted. That fact?  Okay.  I got it now. 
To add, the GDA remarks, in context, were about the potential effects of
America not living up to its ideals. Context is everything.

Somewhere I saw a link to a site that had the actual sermons. I did not agree with everything he said, but I did agree with some of it. I will have to find that link. I think it was on another MT board...


Outrageous remarks made by Clinton

The DNC should dismiss H Clinton IMMEDIATELY due to her offensive and despicable comments about why she is staying in the race (the assasination of Bobby Kennedy - in other words the same could happen to Barack and so she should stay in in case that happens).  I think it is a disgrace for her to continue in the race at this point.  There is no doubt in my mind (and others I have talked with) that she wants something dreadful to happen to Barack, but to blatently come out and mention the assination of Bobby Kennedy when referring to Barack Obama is the lowest of all time lows.  Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE should call for her removal from the race.  This is why we CANNOT have her as VP.  If so Barack would have to constantly be looking over her shoulder.  If nobody believes that they need to read the history of the Clintons and what they have done to people in the past.  It's fact and people need to wake up!  This is not some "right-winged" thing against her - it happened and you can read about it.


Then she tries to cover up her shameful statements with lies.  The media is treating her too kindly by saying they are sure she didn't mean that she believes something would happen to him.  I just want to scream - Don't you believe it.  Look at the past!  Yet once again another reason I'm not voting for her. 


And what part of NO doesn't the Hillary supporters understand that she is NOT going to be VP on his ticket.  NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!  If, and I doubt that would happen, but if she was to be on the ticket I would not vote for him.  I will write in Ron Paul. 


She goes on and on about all the people she has that will vote for McCain and not Obama if she doesn't get on the ticket - yeah, well there are an equal number that if she is on the ticket will absolutely not vote for her and will either go for McCain or just not vote.  I was watching the exit polls after the election on Tuesday and they said that its about a 50/50 split with Hillary supporters and Barack supporters saying they will not vote for the other.  


There's no way in the world I want that XXXXX anywhere near the white house.  I am just outraged that she made such a dispicable, appalling, shameful and vile statement.  And I don't even want to hear any Hillary lovers try and defend this.  If there is a meaning of evil she fits the description to a T.  This just confirms she is XXXXX in my books.


Funny how it was okay when Hillary made remarks
You all laughed then. Yeah, real cute! We're asking for a link. Looks like all you want is for more posters to jump on the bandwagon and bash Palin.

Stick to issues, not personal feelings. Talk about Obama's issues (plans/programs) & McCain's issues (plans/programs). Not Palin.
Any kind of inflammatory insinuating remarks
for the sole purpose of misleading uneducated voters, in my eyes, is a deliberate act of desperation by a group that has absolutely no integrity at all.  Someone who is so vile as to suggest that Obama would endanger our troops if he is elected is less than human.  Barack Obama wants nothing more than to get our poor troops out of an endless, senseless situation.  If I wasn't so disgusted by that kind of mindless drivel that many of you are so willing to bow down to, I could almost feel sorry for you. 
I've only seen racist remarks from "anybody would have"
What on earth are you talkinga about? Only this one person made a racist comment. I've been reading this board for 2 days. The comment was made by "anybody would have" and called HARLEM DUMBELLS responsible for Obama's win.
No, you're too busy defending an incompetent

Thank the dems for defending Freddie, Fannie,etc.
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sound bite from barbara bush's remarks

Here is the sound bite from Barbara Bush (it actually was on The Drudge Report!)


 


Here's the clip. Let them try and spin it however they want. Her callous words cannot be denied. These are heartless group of elitists:
http://www.drudgereport.com/bb.mp3


Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks (see article)

I'm glad we didn't have any whiners in our political science class in high school.  Our teacher was one that provoked thought, and this was during Clinton's presidency.   I think that's the whole point as unless you are a Bush loyalist who thinks any comment not praising him is against the law. 


Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks


AURORA, Colo., March 3, 2006










Overland High School students demonstrate March 2, 2006, in Aurora, Colo., to protest the school district's decision to put geography teacher Jay Bennish on administrative leave. (AP Photo/Aurora Daily Sun)


Fast Fact


A student recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1st discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal.





(CBS/AP) About 150 students at a suburban Denver high school walked out of class to protest a decision to put a teacher on administrative leave while the school investigates remarks he allegedly made in class about President Bush, including a comment that some people compare Mr. Bush to Adolf Hitler.

The protest came Thursday as administrators began investigating whether Overland High School teacher Jay Bennish violated a policy requiring balancing viewpoints in the classroom, Cherry Creek School District spokeswoman Tustin Amole said.

It was peaceful. The students yelled, but there was no fighting, Amole said. Most of them did return to class.

The suspension, says Amole, is a paid leave and is not a punitive situation... It just gives us the opportunity to talk to him, to talk to students.

Overland High student Stacy Caruso says Bennish hasn't done anything wrong. In the classroom, says Caruso, everyone has their right to speak their opinion and he's not forcing any opinions on anyone.

Another student, Derek Belloni, tells CBS News Station KCNC-TV reporter Rick Sallinger that Bennish is out of line.

He's supposed to be teaching geography, says Belloni, and yet he's pushing a liberal agenda trying to convert kids to his side of the spectrum.

A telephone number listed for Bennish, who has been teaching social studies and American history at Overland since 2000, had been disconnected.

Sophomore Sean Allen recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1 discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal, Amole said.

After listening to the tape, it's evident the comments in the class were inappropriate. There were not adequate opportunities for opposing points of view, she said.

The student who made the tape agrees.

I've been his class four weeks, says Allen, and I've never heard another side.

Deborah Fallin, spokeswoman for the Colorado Education Association, which represents about 37,000 union teachers, said it will not represent Bennish because he is not a member.

He's terribly upset about the fact that he can't teach right now, says David Lane, an attorney who is now representing Bennish. He's so upset and I am now his lawyer and we will be going to federal court.

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