Thank you - it gets frustrating

Posted By: me on 2008-11-17
In Reply to: Bravo - Old part-timer

Trying to argue when they won't face facts. Google is full of articles from every walk of life. If you know how to creat a web page you can put it on the internet but doesn't make it the truth.

I'm also tired of arguing about this phony "Palin is inciting hatred, blah, blah, blah". It gets real old and it's not the truth. She's back in her own state now getting back to a job she is very successful at. Really makes me want to move to Alaska with her being governor. She's the first person in politics that actually ever fought for people and can back it up with proof. She's a great lady and a good role model for many young girls growing up. It was a long hard road, and as my husband says, people forget that she didn't ask for this. The GOP came to her and picked her. McCain's camp was better for picking her and I hope to see her more in the future.

But is just disgusts me when I hear people making things up that are not true and they won't research for themselves.

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Thank you Sarah Palin & Team McCain - Are you proud of yourselves?
- ARE you serious??? - Quit the sniveling already and get yourself a life
- You know, needlpoint's a good hobby - sm - Harbinger
  - And these are the WINNERS crying - Never heard of a poor winner
- STOP! The election is over or didn't you know that? - Backwards typist
- Let's talk about attacks.... - me
  - So, how many assassination plots against Palin - are the SS investigating? sm
    - Time to come back to reality - see message - me
      - Reality: Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy, - Jackson, TR, FDR, ....sm
        Gosh, why don't you read the post - See message
      - Bravo - Old part-timer
        Thank you - it gets frustrating - me
    - Losers usually aren't assassinated - See message
      - It is sad that some people can't - sm
      - The conclusion you have drawn about Palin's detractors - is unfounded and uncalled for. sm
      - Thank you - very well said (no message) - me
        What about the hate speech and assassination threats? - Is there not a single.....sm
        I will address it - me
        This is where it will begin - Loss of freedom of speech
        It would be a waste of time to try to address - this level of ignorance.
        That is ridiculous. - sm
        Rediculous is not looking at who the O is and - me
        Unfortunately, you're absolutely correct. - MTQA
  - You're wasting your breath - with these loonies
- See message - Hmmm
  - Here are the dots. - sm
- Doesn't even deserve an answer - Old part-timer
  - The Secret Service is idiotic? - Interesting. -nm
    - OK show me - Old part-timer
      - Just one of - sm
        I was speaking of the original post - Old part-timer
        The OP says "Team McCain," - Not John McCain
        This silly diversion only shows just how hard - you're trying to miss the point. sm
        I'm not happy - Old part-timer
        Did you skip the part about the palpable surge of activity - after Palin rallies? sm
- Why are u putting blame elsewhere. - O is judge who he hangs around with and
  - It might be time to - gourdpainter
    - GP, breathe, breathe, no reason to give up ....sm - oldtimer
      - Oh believe me I haven't given up hope - gourdpainter
    - How can you already judge that he is messing things up? nm - Amanda
  - Do you also blame victims of crime and - domestic violence for....sm
  - Arab African???? - nm
- And this is their fault because....nm? - voteinde
  - Team McCain should include any and all who - engaged in promoting and...sm
    - What about the crazed people trying to rush in and overtake Palins motorcade? - Just me
      - So how many threats on Palin's life is the Secret Service - investigating? sm
      - Good grief. - Enough already.
    - That's right, the libs never say anything inflammatory about anyone...nm - voteinde
      - It's not about conservative vs. liberal. - smp
        EXACTLY ! - NM
      - Why is it such a challenge for conservatives to - simply recognize cause and effect...sm
        Free speech is alive and well, as is free will... - voteinde
        There are libraries full of scholarship on - the issues that you are....sm
  - Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over - against Barack Obama
    - Instead of cutting and pasting, what website is this from? nm - voteinde
      - They posted the website - and link on that message.
      - Click on the link that is posted - at the bottom of the above message.

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It is frustrating isn't it...
We have little to no transparency in our present government on just about every level. You have to tease it out slowly.

Helen Thomas chided Perino a bit in a press conference about the supposed people "electing" President Bush. So funny!

It is frustrating
DH told me tonight that the liberals beliefs are so strong that they won't listen to the truth even when you present the facts to them. He said it's like watching children that have not grown up yet but are in adult bodies. At least with a child when you tell them something is wrong they listen to the correct answer and absorb it and learn from it. I see it on the news stations and here on this board. You present them with the facts and they answer back with nonsensical words and just won't listen.

I guess I just don't understand why liberals think the way they do (and I used to be one so I should get it but I don't). Why do liberals want bigger government? Why do liberals want the government telling them what they can and can't do (when most of them couldn't wait to leave home because they didn't want mom and dad telling them what to do)? Why do liberals want to pay more taxes and they don't care (just as long as a democrat is president - and it doesn't matter which candidate, just someone who is a democrat)? Why do liberals want to be lulled into a false pretense that things are better for them even though they have no money, are getting no refunds, paying more taxes, being told what they can and cannot do, they can't go on vacations, or do anything fun because they have no money to do anything? Why do liberals believe that it's okay to live in shambles, in a cramped little apartment while all the rich democrats are living in mansions off the the taxpayers money? Then again the questions Why don't they want smaller government, why don't they want to be taxed less so they get to keep more of their money, why don't they want an affordable health care plan that isn't socialized and to be able to go to any doctor they want to and not who they are told they will go to. The why's are endless.

On one last note to say that only under a replubican president the CEOs and executives are getting huge salaries and million dollar pensions, etc is misleading. Yes the rich corporate executive are getting rich, but they always have been (even under Clinton and Carter) - this is not something new and only happening with a republican president.

And like I heard tonight. If things were so great and the country was so wonderful under Clinton then we'd still have a democrat president right now (Gore). If he was so great and Clintons were so great we would not have had Bush. But if you want to blame anyone for Bush being president you need to blame yourselves because you all did it. Things were not as great as you think they were with a Clinton/Gore and more than half the country decided enough is enough.

Thanks - isn't it frustrating
People don't listen to reason anymore.

It is frustrating and scary to me that

so many people stand by Barrack Obama. When you actually stop to look at the whole picture....it shows that Barrack Obama is not the type of person that we can trust to be the president of our country.

His associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright is enough to call into question his character and those aren't the only two questionable associations. His dealings with ACORN. The idea that he spent money for education not focusing on testing but focusing or pushing radical ideas into education.

Now he is being audited for some of the contributions he received (which I'm sure will be swept under the rug just like every thing else). The fact that people were encouraging people to vote an absentee ballet in Ohio and bringing people in by the bus loads....this opens up the question of voter fraud.

I do not feel comfortable with someone so extreme left as Obama. We need someone closer to the middle. How are they going to reach over the aisle when he is so extreme left?

His attending Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, being married by him, baptisting his children, refusing to denouce him until his party made him denounce him.....just shows me that he is a racist and truly believes what Rev. Wright preaches.

As for him leading our country....his government programs will not work. We have no money for it. He plans to end the war in Iraq to pay for his government programs, but he knows we can't just pull out of Iraq and now there is trouble brewing in Pakistan. What will Obama do if we have to fight over in Pakistan? His plans just will not work and no one will listen to that. All they hear is change. A promise that Obama cannot keep.

In his four years in the senate, he has asks for billions of dollars worth of earmarks. He received the second highest amount of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I see no change coming from what he has done during his seat in the senate.

How can people support a man like this? I beg you all to look at the big picture. Stop listening to what you hear on TV and actually dig in and do the research. If people would take their blinders off and listen to more than just the promise of change, they would realize that Barrack Obama has a very sketchy political history and associations with scary individuals and associations with ACORN that bullied people into getting bad loans...which is also what helped lead to this economic meltdown.

Taxes will go up with Obama in office and that includes the middle class as well. His government programs will cost so much that the cost of these programs will not be paid for by higher taxes to the rich alone. It isn't feasible.

God help us all if Obama becomes the next President of the USA. I cringe at the very thought.

It is quite frustrating - see message
Trying to educate people in the fact that we have a democratic congress that are the ones who vote on issues, bills, etc (not the president). It's very easy to conveniently blame Bush for everything, but he's not the one who has the say on spending/cutting. However when Clinton made a mess of things who did they blame? The republicans in congress/senate/house.

Thanks Emily Ayn - Man it's so frustrating
It's so frustrating to try and make sense and discuss issues with them because they don't know the issues. They are just wrapped up in the euphoria/high of having a black man as president. That's all they care about. This whole "proud" thing it getting out of hand. Hits the "creep-zone" big time. Like watching people after a batch of bad mushrooms and on a bad "trip". I just can't believe there are so many human beings out there walking around without a brain and cannot think for themselves. Now that's what I call creepy

You are correct - It truly is frustrating - see message
But it is frustrating for both sides. We all have very strong feeling towards or against a candidate and all of our feelings are legitimate. The democrats had very strong concerns about McCains age, health, his choice for VP, his economic knowledge and the war. These are all legitimate reasons and nothing wrong with that. On the other side people had very strong concerns about Obama's lack of experience, lack of knowledge of foreign policies, terrorist ties, where he was born making him illigitimate, spending 20 years in a hate-filled church and then lying to us about it, re-distribution of wealth, socializing our heath care, and other issues and with the same rights given to Obama supporters the same courtesy should have been given to McCain and other supporters without being bashed for our viewpoints. I stopped posting for a couple days because I was getting bashed constantly. And why? Because I didn't share the same viewpoints as others? After reading some posts and realizing everyone has their opinions and that is what this board is for I decided that since I am not disrespectful to others then I should be allowed to post like everyone else does, especially if it is an issue I feel strongly about and to share ideas, information, and concerns. We've been told over and over by the moderator not to make it personal. In fact, the moderator has said it so much that the last time she posted I felt like the babysitter was telling us how to behave. HA HA. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and should be able to share articles and have discussions. If you don't like it move on. I have nothing against any of the posters. I will read some of the posts even if I know I'm not going to like what the poster is going to say, that is "Freedom of speech". As for GP, I have nothing personally against her. I'm sure she's a fine person, but GP (and others) bring a lot of it on themselves. People don't go after them, but the minute we post something we get nailed and belittled for having our feelings. We someone calls us "rabid" for no reason other than to stir up emotions, its offensive. Through this election we read all the negativity and down right mean spirited comments towards McCain and Palin and in all fairness there was negative towards Obama/Biden. There were times I defended Obama especially when he was running against Hillary and I was loved for it. But then when my viewpoint changed that was a whole different story.

I say this. We may not like that Obama was chosen but he is, that's life and life will move on. We all have hopes that he will be a great president. And my biggest hope for him is that he will be able to mend the feelings of many after the last eight years. But he will also be watched carefully, as everyone does with every president. I heard on Fox tonight, which I'm sure you'd be surprised to hear, but I heard Karl Rove say. I love my country and Barack Obama will be President and we need to be fair to him and give him a chance and support him. I heard someone else say we're not going to nit pik at every single thing, we will give praise when praise is due and if something is wrong we will bring it to light. I have been watching Fox news throughout the election because that is where I am getting the balanced news. I've been an avid watcher of MSNBC for the past 6 or 7 years, but it got to a point where they were so hateful they were just coming out and bashing and lying, and then doing the pity poor me (Obama) routine. Didn't matter that they were gleefully talking about the porn movie someone was doing with a Sarah Palin look alike, and then turning in the same breath saying look at what they're doing to Obama, it's horrible. So I turned it off (and I guess so did thousands and thousands of other people because their ratings dropped and they fired C Matthews and K Olberman from reporting on the election (or at least having a main say in covering the election). On Fox they had both liberals and conservatives on. I saw they were fair to both sides.

Anyway...as for the forum you are correct one can never win, only lose. Look at how sam is treated. I always like reading her comments and she points people in the right direction on where to search information on our own but she has been treated horribly and with no good reason.

So I say with Obama, we will hope for the best, but you have to keep an eye on him and what he does as president. Just like we would if McCain or any other person got in there. If there is information about Obama or articles of interest I will continue to post and am sure will get mean-spirited replies, but then that's just the way it is.