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The electoral college is Article II, Section 1

Posted By: Clauses 2, 3, 4 IN the constitution. sm on 2008-09-07
In Reply to: Electoral College........ - sm

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Electoral College........
If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even have kicked your point down by saying anything about the electoral collge. The electoral college really is illegal and unconstitutional and there is no place for it in this country. It is mainly far left liberals who only look at for themselvs and could care less about the country as a whole. What a joke!!
the electoral college
I don't really know what people would want but I do know that the final decision on presidency rests with the electoral college, which vote will not take place until december 15th. The whole issue is designed to influence the votes of the electors so all remains to be seen after the SC today and the electoral vote on 12/15.
Electoral college.... sm
What do you think will happen on December 15 when the electoral college convenes? 

Do you think that Obama has succeeded in changing the color of the electoral college permanently or at least for this election?  Do you think the electors will stand by their votes or do you think some who changed over might revert back? 


electoral college?
Honestly, this 'electoral college' always confuses me and I believe I am not alone in this.
Could you be so kind and explain?
Always open to learn something.
Thanks
I agree with doing away with the electoral college....
it would certainly level the playing field and not give the bulk of the votes to the population centers. One only has to look at red states vs blue states to figure that one out.
Global Electoral College...s/m

This was already posted earlier, but I want to repeat it:


Would the whole world have voted, only


3 (three) !  countries are leaning towards McCain


Iraq


Democratic Republic of Congo


Algeria                 


Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm
Some states are talking about getting rid of the electoral college. Critics think this will lead to candidates pandering to urban areas to get the most votes.

Off the top, it sounds like a good idea to me because I'm in Alabama and if I could vote 100 times the republican party still would win our punny 3 electoral votes because we are overall a conservative state. Given that it seems like my vote doesn't count. However, I realize the electoral college was set up to avoid regional preferences.
Link: www.Global Electoral College.com.......nm
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This section of this article clarifies the

Not Administered by the Government


But SCHIP isn't the kind of program where government officials make medical decisions. Under SCHIP, children are enrolled in private health insurance.


"Typically, children have a choice from among competing private health-insurance companies," says Stan Dorn, a senior research associate with the Urban Institute, a Washington-based think tank. "There's no federally specified benefits package. There's no individual entitlement."


The president also complained that the bill would cover too many children who don't need federal help. "This program expands coverage, federal coverage, up to families earning $83,000 a year. That doesn't sound poor to me," the president told the Lancaster audience.


Dorn says that's not exactly right, either. "This bill would actually put new limits in place to keep states from going to very high-income levels. SCHIP money would no longer be available over 300 percent of the federal poverty level, which is about $60,000 for a family of four."


The president gets to make the $83,000 claim because New York had wanted to allow children in families with incomes up to four times the poverty level onto the program. That is, indeed, $82,600. The Department of Health and Human Services rejected New York's plan last month, and under the bill, that denial would stand. White House officials warn, however, that the bill would allow a future administration to grant New York's request.


link to the entire article:  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14962685 


technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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I did't say it was in Q&A section.
When trying to assassignate a person's character, it is customary to present proof, especially when claiming he said something he did not say. Otherwise, it's slander and, in some settings, it is subject to prosecution.

Cite proof if you want credibility.
I will say again, I do not believe the electoral
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Electoral map seems to be saying something quite different.
http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/

Quite the eye-opener.
Chek out THIS electoral map.

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents


 


Agreed. That electoral map is lookin'
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Check out the global electoral map yet?
Not cocky in the slightest. Will be working up until the last minute of the last day and when the time comes, will par-TEEEEE 'til the sun comes up.
by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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you do know the electoral vote has not occurred??
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Steady polls, electoral map, environment,
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When I was in college
I was very liberal - led rallies for Dukakis, made phone calls, passed out bumper stickers, etc. My dad, who is very conservative, called me out on my liberal views one day with this story.

"A girl with very liberal political views came home from college to visit her parents, who were very conservative. She started to discuss politics with her father, even though they always disagreed. Her dad, deciding to change the subject, asked her how she was doing in school. She replied that she was doing great and carrying a 4.0 gpa, but she didn't have much time to socialize because she was studying so much. The dad then asked how her friend from high school was doing. The daughter replied that her friend wasn't doing very well - she went to parties all the time, never studied and hardly ever went to class. She was carrying a 3.5 gpa. The dad said that maybe she could go to the Dean of the college and ask him to give her friend 0.5 points of her gpa - that way, they would both have a 3.5 gpa and they would be equal. The daughter was very upset by this suggestion, as she had worked very hard and given up a lot in order to have such good grades and that it would not be fair for her to give her friend her points when she had done nothing to earn them. Her father just smiled and said "Welcome to the Republican party."
Correction -- *College* (nm)

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Getting rid of the electorial college....sm
or at least rewriting it is one of Obama's plans for his presidency. Perhaps his brilliant idea to beef up the registered voters in electorial-rich states will be his research market study to sell the idea to Congress and to the American people.

I don't think the electorial college is the ideal method of determining presidency as it stands now, but I am not sure what the answer needs to be. Popular vote would probably net the same results, a few more densly populous states determining the outcome of the presidency, but it does seem more representative of what the people want than some calculated system such as the electorial college.
Youths in College
"Youths in college" are busy trying to figure out how they're gonna pay for their textbooks and keep their grades high enough to stay in school next semester. And get drunk on Saturday night. What "youths" do YOU know who are Young Democratic Socialists, for crying out loud?

And yes, I do like to argue.
Are you asking if college students...(sm)
should be allowed to vote or if democratic socialists should be allowed to vote?
Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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Went all the way, school, college degree
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college educated voter in the

suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.


 


Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.

I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
Obama was a lush in college, huh?
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about that free college education
I posted this below but I think it will not get noticed 'cuz it is so far down and I am really wondering about it. My daughter, who graduated law school, has over 100K in student loans for her education. She is working hard to pay that back. What happens to those? She is killing herself to pay back while the next guy gets for free? I don't think so. Will Obama also forgive those loans? If not, I would expect greater default than we now see. And I would certainly expect to see a lot of professionals, the people with those big loans, protesting this deal big time. Just wondering if anyone else has any input there. I know people spent up to 20 years paying off those loans, and I would certainly resent spending 20 years paying off something that everyone is getting for free. That 100K applied to their mortgage would certainly be nice!! Might even allow her to work less hours and be home with the family more.
1st 2 yrs of a community college is already free
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He thanked the college for not canceling out.

The kids stated he has freedom of speech and they were interested in what he had to say, in fact they had a right to hear what he said.


Other's weren't so sure he should be there, but all the inside tickets were sold out but there were a few simulcast tickets left.


I read some of her things from college
as well.  That on top of them attending Rev. Wright's church for so long.....well....the bitter black woman with a chip on her shoulder is a perfect description of her, IMO.
Has anyone heard about Michelle's college thesis?
I got an email yesterday talking about Michelle Obama's college thesis.  I actually read most of her thesis.  I had to click on a couple of links to see the actual copy of the thesis, but I just wondered if anyone else had read this, heard about it, and what they thought on the subject.  I know it was stated that Princeton was not to release her thesis until after the election.  Not sure who requested that or why, but after reading it I would assume it was her husband's campaign that requested it not be brought out before election and I could see why.  I was a little unnerved by her thesis.  Just curious what others thought.
I'm in Ohio. It's aimed at college students for O.
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REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET THE COLLEGE CREDIT! NM
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required and mandatory if you want the $4000 for college - nm
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I'm sorry, but I attended college in upstate NY. 100% of my friends were 100% liberal. sm
Not one of them believed in God. That was the only thing that I can go by.
Half sister ---college student --- left that
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Tests can be thrown, college admissions bought and sold
Since when can IQ be extrapolated from SAT test scores? I'd appreciate a source citation so I can read up on that, unless you are going on those lame IQ test websites that have assigned W, O and Michelle's IQ all at 125. Fact is, brilliant people have been known to score low on SAT for a variety of reasons so that argument is not terribly convincing.

I'm going strictly on such measures as butchery of his native tongue, i.e., inability to form more than monosyllabic 6-word sentences without a teleprompt or cue cards, how challenged he is to complete a whole thought and his dependence on behind-the-scenes heavyweights to engineer his campaigns and run his presidency, just to name a few.

W was denied admission to St. John's Academy (HS) and UT School of Law. This does not happen for no reason. His distinguishing accomplishment at his Dad's alma mater was joining the secret society of the Skull and Bones brotherhood. I'm a firm believer that strings were pulled on his behalf (as they were on so many other occasions) to get him into the ivy league track, unlike Obama, who did it the old-fashioned way (scholastic achievement) when he transferred to Columbia and was ultimately admitted to Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude.

Bush does have an impressive record of failing at almost everything he every tried to do before (and after) his political career: In abstentia service in the National Guard, bombed election bid for the Texas House of Representatives in 1978, and an oil company that went bust which he left under a cloud of suspicion of insider trading. He did manage to capitalize on his 5-year dalliance with the Texas Rangers baseball team (could't really call what he did there REAL work) just long enough to get good name recognition for his run for gov and make a profitable sale of his shares in the team.

This less than stellar performance was totally eclipsed by the multitude of screw-ups while in office, way too much to get into in the confines of this forum. Bottom line for me is that his behavior and performance is very uninspiring, less than mediocre and not at all suggestive of much in the way of creativity or intellect....in other words, the polar opposite of the O. Hence the statement, IQ is good for the country. The wisdom angle was somebody else's attempt to side-step the issue of W's stupidity.
Also, because we are white middle class and have a house, we are putting kids through college, ever
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable. 
The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.



Where is the line for free college, free healthcare...
mortgage paid for, free gas and ability to sit on my rear and let everyone else take care of me? Wow, now I see the light...this prez elect will be great!!
Well, I don't know about this article...
I don't really have the time to sit and read it, but I will tell you that the ACLU has its tentacles ALL OVER the Democratic party, and they do some pretty repulsive things.  You might want to inform yourself of some of the stuff they defend.  Like the NAMBLA website that tells gay pedophiles how to seduce young boys.  They defend NAMBLA's right to that website, specifically with the court case filed by the Connecticut 10-year-old who was raped and murdered by some sicko who read that website and carried out his dastardly deed.  They've gone around the bend these days.  They used to be reasonable years ago, doing some good things.  But not anymore.
NYT article

This whole Rove thing is not about outing anyone, it is about the uranium and Wilson finding no evidence that Saddam was trying to buy it.  Great article.  Link is below.


 


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?incamp=article_popular


article
Why Bush Can't Answer Cindy
    By Marjorie Cohn
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Thursday 18 August 2005

    Cindy Sheehan is still waiting for Bush to answer her question: What noble cause did my son die for? Her protest started as a small gathering 13 days ago. It has mushroomed into a demonstration of hundreds in Crawford and tens of thousands more at 1,627 solidarity vigils throughout the country.

    Why didn't Bush simply invite Cindy in for tea when she arrived in Crawford? In a brief, personal meeting with Cindy, Bush could have defused a situation that has become a profound embarrassment for him, and could derail his political agenda.

    Bush didn't talk with Cindy because he can't answer her question. There is no answer to Cindy's question. There is no noble cause that Cindy's son died fighting for. And Bush knows it.

    The goals of this war are not hard to find. They were laid out in Paul Wolfowitz's draft Pentagon Defense Planning Guidance in 1992, and again in the neoconservative manifesto - The Project for a New American Century's Rebuilding America's Defenses - in September 2000.

    Long before 9/11, the neocons proclaimed that the United States should exercise its role as the world's only superpower by ensuring access to the massive Middle East petroleum reserves. To accomplish this goal, the US would need to invade Iraq and establish permanent military bases there.

    If Bush were to give an honest answer to Cindy Sheehan's question, it would be that her son died to help his country spread US hegemony throughout the Middle East.

    But that answer, while true, does not sound very noble. It would not satisfy Cindy Sheehan, nor would it satisfy the vast majority of the American people. So, for the past several years, Bush and his minions have concocted an ever-changing story line.

    First, it was weapons-of-mass-destruction and the mushroom cloud. In spite of the weapons inspectors' admonitions that Iraq had no such weapons, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and Bolton lied about chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Bush even included the smoking gun claim in his state of the union address: that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger. It was a lie, because people like Ambassador Joe Wilson, who traveled to Niger to investigate the allegation, had reported back to Cheney that it never happened.

    The Security Council didn't think Iraq was a threat to international peace and security. In spite of Bush's badgering and threats, the Council held firm and refused to sanction a war on Iraq. The UN weapons inspectors asked for more time to conduct their inspections. But Bush was impatient.

    He thumbed his nose at the United Nations and invaded anyway. After the "coalition forces" took over Iraq, they combed the country for the prohibited weapons. But they were nowhere to be found.

    Faced with the need to explain to the American people why our sons and daughters were dying in Iraq, Bush changed the subject to saving the Iraqis from Saddam's torture chambers.

    Then the grotesque photographs emerged from Abu Ghraib prison outside of Baghdad. They contained images of US military personnel torturing Iraqis. Bush stopped talking about Saddam's torture.

    Most recently, Bush's excuse has been "bringing democracy to the Iraqi people." On June 28, 2004, he ceremoniously hailed the "transfer of sovereignty" back to the Iraqi people. (See Giving Iraqis What is Rightly Theirs). Yet 138,000 US troops remained in Iraq to protect US "interests."

    And Iraq's economy is still controlled by laws put in place before the "transfer of sovereignty." The US maintains a stranglehold on foreign access to Iraqi oil, private ownership of Iraq's resources, and control over the reconstruction of this decimated country.

    For months, Bush hyped the August 15, 2005 deadline for Iraqis to agree on a new constitution. But as the deadline came and went, the contradictions between the Shias, Sunnis and Kurds over federalism came into sharp focus. The Bush administration admitted that "we will have some form of Islamic republic," according to Sunday's Washington Post.

    So much for Bush's promise of a democratic Iraq.

    The constitutional negotiations are far removed from the lives of most Iraqis. When journalist Robert Fisk asked an Iraqi friend about the constitution, he replied, "Sure, it's important. But my family lives in fear of kidnapping, I'm too afraid to tell my father I work for journalists, and we only have one hour in six of electricity and we can't even keep our food from going bad in the fridge. Federalism? You can't eat federalism and you can't use it to fuel your car and it doesn't make my fridge work."

    Fisk reports that 1,100 civilian bodies were brought into the Baghdad morgue in July. The medical journal The Lancet concluded in October 2004 that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians had died in the first 18 months after Bush invaded Iraq.

    Unfortunately, the picture in Iraq is not a pretty one.

    Bush knows that if he talked to Cindy Sheehan, she would demand that he withdraw from Iraq now.

    But Bush has no intention of ever pulling out of Iraq. The US is building the largest CIA station in the world in Baghdad. And Halliburton is busily constructing 14 permanent US military bases in Iraq.

    George Bush knows that he cannot answer Cindy Sheehan's question. There is no noble cause for his war on Iraq.





    Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
article
My mom, not Cindy Sheehan, is Bush’s biggest problem


Thursday, August 25, 2005

By John Yewell/City Editor

With Cindy Sheehan gone home to take care of her stroke-stricken mom, President Bush can enjoy the last week of his Texas vacation free of the distraction of her encampment outside his ranch. But a grieving liberal mom whose son died in Iraq demanding an audience may not be Bush’s biggest problem.

His biggest problem may be my mom.

My mother is a lifelong Republican. She got it from her father, a yellow-dog Republican if ever there was one. As unofficial GOP godfather of Fillmore, Calif., he collected absentee ballots every election for his large family and marked them himself. No sense in taking chances that someone might vote for a Democrat.

So when my mother called me the other day and told me she was considering registering as a Democrat, I was, well, stunned. Somewhere in a cemetery plot near Fillmore a body is spinning.

For the last year or more my mother has been gradually expressing ever greater exasperation with President Bush, the war, and the religious right. “Have you heard about this James Dobson guy?” she asked me on the phone, referring to the head of Focus on the Family. “If they overturn Roe vs. Wade, that’ll be it for me,” she said.

Then she mentioned Cindy Sheehan.

For all the efforts to discredit Ms. Sheehan, what she accomplished in drawing attention to the human cost of the war, if my mother’s opinion is any indication, crossed party lines. There’s a Mom Faction in American politics, and while it isn’t a monolithic Third Rail, it’s at least and second-and-a-half rail. When their children are dying on a battlefield of choice, you touch it at your peril.

My mother has her fingers on the pulse, and scalps, of many such women. She’s a hairdresser with a clientele that has been coming to her regularly for decades. Now grandmothers, these women were moms during Vietnam, in which over 50,000 American sons and daughters died. They worried then about their kids’ safety, now they’re worried about grandkids - theirs or someone else’s. Most are pretty mainstream, most Republican, and most, my mother tells me, pretty much fed up with George Bush.

There is other evidence of trouble on the Republican horizon. According to the latest compilation of state polls produced 10 days ago by surveyusa.com, of the 31 states Bush won in 2004, he now enjoys plurality job approval in only 10. This includes a 60 to 37 percent disapproval rate in the key state of Ohio, and a 53 to 44 disapproval rate in Florida.

A recent assessment from the influential and scrupulously nonpartisan Cook Political Report reads: “Opposition to and skepticism about the war in Iraq has reached its highest level, boosted by increased American casualties, a lack of political progress inside the country and growing signs of an imminent civil war. Given the centrality of the Iraq War to the Bush presidency and re-election, a cave-in of support for the president on the war would be devastating to his second-term credibility and influence.”

If Republicans are wondering where Cook is finding this “cave-in of support,” they could start looking in worse places than my mother’s one-chair salon, where Cindy Sheehan found sympathetic ears.

According to various reports, Bush and his team concluded that granting Sheehan an audience would only have encouraged other malcontents to demand similar attention from the president. Whatever the rationale, the decision alienated the clientele of Natalie’s Beauty Shoppe.

In the end my mother decided against changing her registration. Any criticism she might have of Bush, she decided, would be more credible if she stayed in the party, a sophisticated conclusion I admire and applaud.

Although Democrats can’t count on being the automatic beneficiaries of such dissatisfaction, Bush’s refusal to acknowledge fault, his “because I’m the Daddy and I say so” attitude, doesn’t work for a lot of women anymore. Women resent being patronized, and that’s how many view the president’s treatment of Cindy Sheehan.

The next election may be 14 months away, but when my mom and a lot of others like her walk into their voting booths, they may well be reflecting on their children and their choices, and which party is less likely to put either in harm’s way.

John Yewell is the city editor of the Hollister Free Lance. He can be reached at jyewell@freelancenews.com.


It's the name of an article. Hello??? nm

thanks for the article!
Thank you for this article..its not too long for me to read, as others have suggested (the mentality of many in America and our downfall, if you ask me..dont want to spend the time to research, read, decide with their own mind..too much paper work to sift throught, oh please!)..as I care about what is going to happen to America and frankly the world..Bush has opened a Pandoras box and heaven help us all for the future..I dont get scared much about anything in life but what Bush has done sure concerns me to the max..Took an ant hill and created a mountain of monsters..
Here's another article
Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches
Does anyone remember that?


In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has inherent authority to order physical searches — including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens — for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own.















  
The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General.


It is important to understand, Gorelick continued, that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities.


Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power.


Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline — on page A-19 — read, Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches. The story began, The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers.


In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intelligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. Intelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise, Gorelick said. Information gathering for policy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus.


The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court — if, as she testified, it does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security. In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.


Byron York--NRO