Obama was a lush in college, huh?
Posted By: figures on 2008-10-16
In Reply to: pothead beats an alcoholic, any day . - they kill a lot fewer people, too.
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When I was in college
I was very liberal - led rallies for Dukakis, made phone calls, passed out bumper stickers, etc. My dad, who is very conservative, called me out on my liberal views one day with this story.
"A girl with very liberal political views came home from college to visit her parents, who were very conservative. She started to discuss politics with her father, even though they always disagreed. Her dad, deciding to change the subject, asked her how she was doing in school. She replied that she was doing great and carrying a 4.0 gpa, but she didn't have much time to socialize because she was studying so much. The dad then asked how her friend from high school was doing. The daughter replied that her friend wasn't doing very well - she went to parties all the time, never studied and hardly ever went to class. She was carrying a 3.5 gpa. The dad said that maybe she could go to the Dean of the college and ask him to give her friend 0.5 points of her gpa - that way, they would both have a 3.5 gpa and they would be equal. The daughter was very upset by this suggestion, as she had worked very hard and given up a lot in order to have such good grades and that it would not be fair for her to give her friend her points when she had done nothing to earn them. Her father just smiled and said "Welcome to the Republican party."
Correction -- *College* (nm)
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Electoral College........
If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even have kicked your point down by saying anything about the electoral collge. The electoral college really is illegal and unconstitutional and there is no place for it in this country. It is mainly far left liberals who only look at for themselvs and could care less about the country as a whole. What a joke!!
the electoral college
I don't really know what people would want but I do know that the final decision on presidency rests with the electoral college, which vote will not take place until december 15th. The whole issue is designed to influence the votes of the electors so all remains to be seen after the SC today and the electoral vote on 12/15.
Getting rid of the electorial college....sm
or at least rewriting it is one of Obama's plans for his presidency. Perhaps his brilliant idea to beef up the registered voters in electorial-rich states will be his research market study to sell the idea to Congress and to the American people.
I don't think the electorial college is the ideal method of determining presidency as it stands now, but I am not sure what the answer needs to be. Popular vote would probably net the same results, a few more densly populous states determining the outcome of the presidency, but it does seem more representative of what the people want than some calculated system such as the electorial college.
Electoral college.... sm
What do you think will happen on December 15 when the electoral college convenes?
Do you think that Obama has succeeded in changing the color of the electoral college permanently or at least for this election? Do you think the electors will stand by their votes or do you think some who changed over might revert back?
electoral college?
Honestly, this 'electoral college' always confuses me and I believe I am not alone in this.
Could you be so kind and explain?
Always open to learn something.
Thanks
Youths in College
"Youths in college" are busy trying to figure out how they're gonna pay for their textbooks and keep their grades high enough to stay in school next semester. And get drunk on Saturday night. What "youths" do YOU know who are Young Democratic Socialists, for crying out loud?
And yes, I do like to argue.
Are you asking if college students...(sm)
should be allowed to vote or if democratic socialists should be allowed to vote?
Went all the way, school, college degree
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college educated voter in the
suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.
Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.
I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
I agree with doing away with the electoral college....
it would certainly level the playing field and not give the bulk of the votes to the population centers. One only has to look at red states vs blue states to figure that one out.
about that free college education
I posted this below but I think it will not get noticed 'cuz it is so far down and I am really wondering about it. My daughter, who graduated law school, has over 100K in student loans for her education. She is working hard to pay that back. What happens to those? She is killing herself to pay back while the next guy gets for free? I don't think so. Will Obama also forgive those loans? If not, I would expect greater default than we now see. And I would certainly expect to see a lot of professionals, the people with those big loans, protesting this deal big time. Just wondering if anyone else has any input there. I know people spent up to 20 years paying off those loans, and I would certainly resent spending 20 years paying off something that everyone is getting for free. That 100K applied to their mortgage would certainly be nice!! Might even allow her to work less hours and be home with the family more.
1st 2 yrs of a community college is already free
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Global Electoral College...s/m
This was already posted earlier, but I want to repeat it:
Would the whole world have voted, only
3 (three) ! countries are leaning towards McCain
Iraq
Democratic Republic of Congo
Algeria   
He thanked the college for not canceling out.
The kids stated he has freedom of speech and they were interested in what he had to say, in fact they had a right to hear what he said.
Other's weren't so sure he should be there, but all the inside tickets were sold out but there were a few simulcast tickets left.
I read some of her things from college
as well. That on top of them attending Rev. Wright's church for so long.....well....the bitter black woman with a chip on her shoulder is a perfect description of her, IMO.
Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm
Some states are talking about getting rid of the electoral college. Critics think this will lead to candidates pandering to urban areas to get the most votes.
Off the top, it sounds like a good idea to me because I'm in Alabama and if I could vote 100 times the republican party still would win our punny 3 electoral votes because we are overall a conservative state. Given that it seems like my vote doesn't count. However, I realize the electoral college was set up to avoid regional preferences.
The electoral college is Article II, Section 1
Joke's on you.
Has anyone heard about Michelle's college thesis?
I got an email yesterday talking about Michelle Obama's college thesis. I actually read most of her thesis. I had to click on a couple of links to see the actual copy of the thesis, but I just wondered if anyone else had read this, heard about it, and what they thought on the subject. I know it was stated that Princeton was not to release her thesis until after the election. Not sure who requested that or why, but after reading it I would assume it was her husband's campaign that requested it not be brought out before election and I could see why. I was a little unnerved by her thesis. Just curious what others thought.
I'm in Ohio. It's aimed at college students for O.
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Link: www.Global Electoral College.com.......nm
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REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET THE COLLEGE CREDIT! NM
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I'm sorry, but I attended college in upstate NY. 100% of my friends were 100% liberal. sm
Not one of them believed in God. That was the only thing that I can go by.
Half sister ---college student --- left that
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technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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Tests can be thrown, college admissions bought and sold
Since when can IQ be extrapolated from SAT test scores? I'd appreciate a source citation so I can read up on that, unless you are going on those lame IQ test websites that have assigned W, O and Michelle's IQ all at 125. Fact is, brilliant people have been known to score low on SAT for a variety of reasons so that argument is not terribly convincing.
I'm going strictly on such measures as butchery of his native tongue, i.e., inability to form more than monosyllabic 6-word sentences without a teleprompt or cue cards, how challenged he is to complete a whole thought and his dependence on behind-the-scenes heavyweights to engineer his campaigns and run his presidency, just to name a few.
W was denied admission to St. John's Academy (HS) and UT School of Law. This does not happen for no reason. His distinguishing accomplishment at his Dad's alma mater was joining the secret society of the Skull and Bones brotherhood. I'm a firm believer that strings were pulled on his behalf (as they were on so many other occasions) to get him into the ivy league track, unlike Obama, who did it the old-fashioned way (scholastic achievement) when he transferred to Columbia and was ultimately admitted to Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude.
Bush does have an impressive record of failing at almost everything he every tried to do before (and after) his political career: In abstentia service in the National Guard, bombed election bid for the Texas House of Representatives in 1978, and an oil company that went bust which he left under a cloud of suspicion of insider trading. He did manage to capitalize on his 5-year dalliance with the Texas Rangers baseball team (could't really call what he did there REAL work) just long enough to get good name recognition for his run for gov and make a profitable sale of his shares in the team.
This less than stellar performance was totally eclipsed by the multitude of screw-ups while in office, way too much to get into in the confines of this forum. Bottom line for me is that his behavior and performance is very uninspiring, less than mediocre and not at all suggestive of much in the way of creativity or intellect....in other words, the polar opposite of the O. Hence the statement, IQ is good for the country. The wisdom angle was somebody else's attempt to side-step the issue of W's stupidity.
Also, because we are white middle class and have a house, we are putting kids through college, ever
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Where is the line for free college, free healthcare...
mortgage paid for, free gas and ability to sit on my rear and let everyone else take care of me? Wow, now I see the light...this prez elect will be great!!
This post really makes me WANT to vote for Obama. I am undecided, but this pushes me closer to Obama
...Thanks for the info!
Obama was cool, while grouchy man steamed. Obama!!!
I'm so happy. The dippy people on here who are haters and racists and mccain lovers must be so po'd today. HAHAHAHAHAHA
If Obama gets elected, then it was meant to be! Go, Obama!
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Go Obama/Biden! I don't like it and will VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!
Obama has shown great judgment in the people who surround him. He picked a great VP choice, and his wife is impeccable as a helpmate and is a fantastic role model for the American children.
Obama
I believe Obama has an awesome political future. He sure is a bright light, and he would be someone I would seriously consider voting for.
Someone I like even better is Rep. Harold Ford from Tennessee. Every time I hear this man speak, I like him more and more and more.
I think there are lots of good candidates out there who don't fit the profiles you outlined, which I also believe to be true, and I think we're well overdue in considering those candidates because, in my opinion, what we've been offered in the last several elections -- on BOTH sides -- has been pretty pitiful. The "box" isn't working, and it's time to look outside of it.
Obama is the man!!!
I think he will make an excellent president some day. Maybe Hillary/Obama would be a good ticket choice.
obama
FYI - he never attended a midrasha. This was later corrected.
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Obama et. al.
If we get Obama or any of the other candidates we will get more of the same. War and taxes. Empire building. If you like that kind of stuff, vote for any of the candidates EXCEPT.......... RON PAUL. The only candidate for peace, limited government and minding our own business. 
Obama
As I posted on the other board, it is crazy that in one breath people are freaking out saying he is a Muslim, and in the next one, they are freaking out because of his stand on abortion. Being pro-choice really does not go with being a Muslim.
I like Obama, and I like his stance on choice. I really could care less if he is a Muslim. But, he belongs to a Christian church and has for over 20 years, before he had a political career.
People never cease to amaze me!
Obama
My husband just returned from Iraq, we support the war-- but if I had to vote democrat, definitely Obama, please!! But I vote republican, hee hee.
Go Obama!
What a great victory for Obama!
Did anyone see the Kennedy’s endorsement for Obama and his speech this morning? I have never been more excited and inspired in politics. In my life I’ve voted both sides (usually not voting for a candidate but rather voting for the other side as a vote against a candidate). I usually tune out in politics because of outright lies. Barack is the first candidate that I finally understand what he stands for, what his plans are, and he is someone who can connect with everyone in every walk of life. He is a trustworthy, inspiring, and humble person and his voting record and other aspects of his government life give me the confidence that he would be a great president. Listening to his speeches gives me hope for a better country/future for everyone.
I respect everyone’s choice for who they think would be a better president, but I’m sick to death of Clinton and what she stands for. All you have to do is read up on the history of her and what she did when she resided in Oakland California (who her mentors/ colleagues were and what her motives/plans are). She claims to have all this “experience” but doesn’t have it. She takes what her husband accomplished and if it was something good she claims credit to it and if it was bad she had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile her husband is so consumed/greedy (not sure which word best suits him – maybe consumed with greed) to get back into the white house that he is purposely destroying the opponents (even Ted Kennedy had to call and admonish him), but that is the Clinton legacy, destroying other people’s lives. Then when someone does call him on something he will point his finger at them in a threatening way and plays the victim role. It makes me ill just thinking of having someone as corrupt as both of them back in the white house.
If Bill was such a great president they should bring up all the great things that happened under his presidency, but we are not hearing any of it, why? Because there is none. In my opinion he was one of the worst presidents in history. Not one thing he did was for the good of the country. And if anyone believes that she was such a “good wife” while he was out messing around with other women think again. She had her mind set on being president a long time ago. She just uses him to get what she wants. Everything she does has always been calculated.
As for his presidency, I think people are forgetting….he lied under oath and he was impeached for it. Which brings me to another question…why does anyone believe anything he has to say now? Remember the phrase “that all depends on what the meaning of is, is”. Then there was Waco Texas – people were burned alive. But they called them members of a cult, so I guess that made it okay. Then let’s see…Somalia, Bosnia, Monica (and no it wasn’t just about having an affair with her or all the other women), receiving illegal contributions, Vince Foster, and the list goes on and on and on.
An article I just read said it better than I can….
“The problem for Hillary Clinton is that, as usual, she wants it both ways. She wants to be judged on her own merits and not be treated as Bill's Mini-Me. But she also wants to reap the benefits of Bill's popularity, and offers voters the reassuring suggestion that if there's a crisis while she's in the White House, there will be someone around who really does have executive branch experience - namely, Bill - to lend a hand. But the Clintons are playing a dangerous game. The more they remind us of what we liked about Act I of the Bill and Hillary Show, the more they also remind us of what we hated.
If you are interested in reading the whole article this is the link…
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-brooks0128.artjan28,0,7018385.story
Obama
He would be better than the one that has been there for 8 years. No matter who is elected, it will take a long time to fix what Bush as screwed up!
<3 Obama too!!
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Obama
If she keeps lying from today until November she might actually catch up with Obama!
Go Obama
Haven't seen any posts here for awhile. Very excited about the outcome of tonight's election. I am so glad to see that people are not buying the "gimmicks" Hillary proposed. Gas tax holiday?...give me a break! Someone needed to ask her, "So what happens when the holiday is over", you charge back up the gas price!
The big joke is that Bill Clinton raised the gas tax in his first year in office. It was included in a package of tax increases that amounted to the biggest tax increase in history. It was raised by 4.3 cents. Not only did he raise the gas tax, but he wanted to raise it even higher.
So you should all get this straight...Hillary is "claiming" she would give drivers 3 whole months (wow - imagine that) 18 cent a gallon cut after her husband forced drivers to pay an extra 5 cents for 15 years.
Unfortunately there were some people who bought into her pandering (which by the way is another word for lying), but thank goodness enough people with an education and most important most of the with common sense could see right through her lies.
Way to go North Carolina - I'm so pleased. And Indiana too. It was a close race thank goodness.
Now she needs to step down. Why? Because its the right thing to do. Do the numbers. There is no way she can win and anyone who believes so needs to wake up. What we need is for her to support Barack Obama (that is if she's telling the truth about the most important thing is nominating a democrat for president). Somehow though I do not believe she has the best interest of the party or the american people in mind. Her goal is to serve herself. She needs to graciously bow out and put all her efforts into getting a democrat in the office.
P.S. - Note to the "ditto heads". Maybe we should rename Limbaugh followers "dumbo heads". Not only did your little plan fail Mr. Limbo, but it failed badly. In a poll taken (and yes I know polls can be misleading), but not only did the republicans change parties to vote for a democrat but the majority of them voted for Obama. Then on top of that over 75% of republicans that voted as democrats said that Obama could be McCain (or as I am hearing him being referred to as McBush), but only around 25% said they believed Hillary could win. So not only does Hillary need to do the math, so does Mr. Limbo.
Obama
Is Barack Hussein Obama the Antichrist?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94d_1202965504
I am for Obama because...
My point in fact is agreeing with the republicans in that Obama does not have a lot of experience - I think not having a lot of experience is a good thing because it means he is not "hand-in-hand" with all the people that have been in charge for so long - he can form his own opinions, make his own decisions, and not go with somebody just because they did this or that for somebody or they contributed this or that to somebody...
No, Obama gets it better than many do
Check out this award-winning article written by Fareed Zakaria, a foreign policy expert, right after 9/11 called "Why They Hate Us" - http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html
Most people at that time (myself included) said that question was irrelavant, but understanding why they some have those attitudes helps us understand better what the U.S. can do to help change it. The fringe extremists will never go away, but their support by the general Muslim community as a whole will diminish (and already is). Free markets and capitalism would go a long way toward this goal and I think Obama gets that.
obama wants to be GOD
He wants to change the structure of the U.S. and he wants to bargain with and change the structure of Europe.. He is a destroyer.
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