Underestimating the intelligence of the American voter

• We haven't even begun to pay the piper - We can't afford it!
  • They're mesmerized. They don't care what he says... - sam
    • Obama : McCain - nnn
      • Exactly, dynamic mentality, the one you need to be afraid of.nm - middle class
        • to be afraid of...? - change
          • Afraid? You bet. I do not want change that O wants. - middle class
      • Well by all means...throw the whole country... - sam
        • Well, what it comes down to is... - gourdpainter
          • or the possibility of change for the worse - dnh
          • that's just what we need - someone - to give more to the welfare folks -- sm
            • Might have known s/m - gourdpainter
              • it's too bad neither govt party realizes - this. nm
          • Yup! - I agree...
            • I'm glad to know Sam is an independent - gourdpainter
            • Sam - change
    • what worries me the most... - We can't afford it!
    • Underestimating the intelligence of the American voter - is a fatal flaw in a flailing campaign.
      • I am not underestimating the intelligence.... - sam
        • OMG - change
        • Welcome back, sam.....sm - m
          • Yep. I am just wondering what all the... - sam
      • I do believe the pubs are grasping at - straws now... eh ummm...
        • I agree with change....change to socialism... - sam

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He did talk about the war.... Hey, wait a minute, your intelligence was bad....You lied to us!!!   You twisted the information to fit your post...Don't you want to apologize and tell us all what a terrible mistake you made!!!!       How does it feel to be called a liar without justification?

he beat the Clinton machine at their own game, and you should be way happy about that, at least Hilary is not Prez.  Secondly, he is a black man who has been elected by the American people as President of the United States.  Forgive me, but a dumb black man could never have accomplished that.  You should be thanking God that we finally have a man in office who is intelligent, who may be able to help you and the rest of the middle class get a leg up.  And a plus, he can make intelligent conversation with speaking in sentences, unlike W.  Give the man a chance, he hasn't even been sworn in. No one bad-mouthed W until he royally screwed the American people. 

see that this is a facetious post.  No one really wants this to happen.  This was just trying to prove a point and obviously the dems have twisted it around to be treason.  I can't help but laugh at the idiocy on this board.  It is so much better to call people names and cry about the last 8 years than to take a good look at what is going on in the world now.  No worries though.  When Obama runs this country into the ground, you will still blame Bush and live in your happy little demented bubble drinking kool-aid.

Wake up people.  Bush is out of office.  It is Obama's turn now.  So let's pay attention to what he is doing....shall we?

You are the weakest link.  Buh-bye now.

This man knows these things because he has been involved in Israel's intelligence community since the late 60s early 70s and is currently a consultant to the US.

Did you know that our fed gov is currently hiring like gangbusters? They are striving to improve our security as a nation. Surprise! We actually have a president who is trying to improve things! We will get attacked under Obama's watch - you can pretty much count on it. But, I suspect he will not ignore intelligence warnings beforehand - like Bush did.

Frankly I do not see much good coming from the policies of the last 8 years. An out of sight deficit, home foreclosures, terrible price hikes and job losses, I can;t see the pluses in these. Has Iraq made us safer? My gut tells me no. If there had, in fact been weapons of mass destruction than I would feel differently. I think what has matterd the most protecting the US have been more careful survellience domestically in the form of airline survelliences and the like.

I think Obama has the potential to make some positive changes, domestically and worldwide as well. While there is no guarantee of that I really don't feel that McCain will do to much except to continue more or less to promote the same policies as in the last eight years. We can do better than that. The post 9/11 politics of fear are eating the country alive economically.  While there is never a guarantee that another terrorist attack will not occur, as they do every so often world-wide,  I think it is foolish to sink your economy and play on the fears of its people on the remote chance that another one 'might occur someday.'

I like the message of hope and change that Obama speaks of, and if elected I hope that he is able to achieve some of his goals.

CNN just reported in Raleigh, NC-- people standing in line for 2 hours, and opps, all the sudden there are no ballots....there they are.....they are wet and will not go through the machine, so just put those to the side and we'll run them later. 

Flyers going out saying if you are a dem then voting day is Nov 5.

If you are in college your parents will get taxed if you vote at school.

There seems to be a HUGE list of this kind of stuff.  And who benefits from a lower voter turnout?  Hmmm. 

First, let me say this testimony by a Cal State professor of economics pertaining to the proposed "cap-and-trade" program isn't light reading, but it isn't very long or overly technical, either. It's only a little over 3 pages, double-spaced with generous margins, and takes less than 10 minutes to read, especially since the whole first page is taken up with the economist's credentials and background which you can skip if you wish.

Second, we have to bring a certain mental framework to things like this, which I compare to digging the meat out of a walnut shell.  People like this don't typically use the kind of sensational language that we're accustomed to hearing on the news, and they tend to be rather polite and very low-key in the way they say things, especially when they're addressing a Congressional committee.

So nothing here is "bolded" or "underlined" in the way it's expressed, and ordinary reader like ourselves can easily miss the significance of what this economist is trying to tell the committee, which - if you want to cut right to the chase - is that "cap-and-trade" will destroy our economy.  Now, the economist uses somewhat less drastic terms but only SLIGHTLY less so, and if you simply think about the consequences of his predictions (which he expects the committee members to do), his meaning is quite clear. 

Cap-and-trade is admittedly INTENDED to make energy costs higher, on the theory that higher prices will induce reductions in energy use, hence pollution, etc., etc.  While this might sound like a good theory (odd, though, that those who support it are the very same people who laugh at "trickle-down" economics, which is exactly what this is, in reverse), it actually hides new taxes that consumers will ultimately pay for either directly or in the form of higher prices for literally everything because every good and every service includes an energy cost of one sort or another (and that, in turn, will also mean another layer of increased tax because you pay a higher sales tax when the price of anything goes up - a double whammy, in other words). At 8%, something that costs you $10 today = $10.80.  If the price goes up to $15, you pay $16.20 - which is not only a 50% increase in the price, but also a 50% tax increase on that item.  (It's critical to learn to think in percentages, and also to learn how prices are related to taxes!)

Cap-and-trade may just be the most horrendous idea ever to come down the pike.  This economist thinks so, calling it the "most anti-consumer" idea proposed to any Congress in our history.  This has nothing whatsoever to do with any political party.  It's simply another example of the absolute madness that seems to grip Washington these days - and members of both parties are afflicted with this insanity.

So, as always, here's the link for those who wish to paste it into their browsers, and it's also in the clickable link below.  This is a PDF file and I can assure you that there's no virus risk.

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/robert-michaels-testimony-april-23-2009.pdf

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suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.