Very disturbing concept.
Posted By: TechSupport on 2009-06-22
In Reply to: Okay everyone... - Bonnie
I don't believe it will pass the constitutional smell test, but you're right to be concerned about the potential for abuse - i.e., being used against citizens in the name of "national security". This very possibility is the reason the military services are strictly prohibited from conducting anything but humanitarian operations within the contintental US. It is also one of the reasons we have never had a federal police agency (as opposed to federal investigative and special enforcement agencies).
The record of such paramilitary organizations in other countries is rife with examples of abuse and we should absolutely march in the streets if necessary to prevent such an organization from ever being formed in this country.
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This is just 1 paragraph taken from a much longer article but it is something I did not know. This does not bode well for anyone. This is worse than Chalabi as informant and/or US hand-picked Iraqi statesman of some sort or the other.
Interestingly, some of the earliest suicide bombings commonly attributed to Hezbollah, such as the 1983 attacks on the US embassy and marine barracks in Beirut, were believed by American intelligence sources at the time to have been orchestrated by the Iraqi Dawa party. Hezbollah barely existed in 1983 and Dawa cadres are said to have been instrumental in setting it up at Tehran's behest. Dawa's current leadership includes none other than the new Iraqi prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, feted last week in London and Washington as the great hope for the future of the Middle East. As the old saying goes, today's terrorist is tomorrow's statesman - at least when it suits us.
Disturbing
Hardly an American-like comment.
I find it "interesting" that Obama won't meet McCain for a town hall setting at any military bases. Anyone who is a POW for 5 years is more than a patriot.
This "meeting place" has become so "out there" I may as well be on the moReon, Huffpost, or Daily Kook sites!
This is clearly embarrassing.
Your responses are disturbing.
I don't believe I have ever seen a more angry and irrational person.
If true this truly is disturbing
I watched this and sat in tears. If this is true its absolutely horrible. This is basically murder and everyone who doesn't help these babies live has played a part in their murder. How can this lady say she witnessed it and held the babies until they died with no emotion in her face or even a quiver in her voice. I'm not for Barack. There are a lot of disturbing things about him that have made me decide not to vote for him, but this I just cannot believe. It almost sounds like some skit someone wrote for this lady to recite. I know lots of nurses and have worked at lots of hospitals in different states and this is just something that is unheard of. I will still not be voting for Barack, but not because of this. It sounds like, and I believe, this is probably put out by the republicans and I just don't believe it. Nobody brings a baby somewhere and leaves them on a table in some room with a toilet in it for the baby to die when the baby is alive and just walk away. That is not hospital policy at any hospital I know of, and if I met this lady in person I would tell her she has no business being a nurse.
On the other hand I will also not be voting for McCain. If I hear him say in his condescending tone once more "my friends" I think I will put my boot through the TV. He also is not someone I trust.
Man do politics really suck!
What I find disturbing about this is
I believe the GOP is in shock, fractured, incapable of accepting defeat and pretty clueless about how to pick themselves up and put themselves back together. As a consequence and coupled with their gut-level adversion to Obama, I think we will be seeing a whole lot more of these desperate, destructive tactics for quite some time to come. It's sad, because if there were ever a time in recent history we need to be pulling together, that would be now.
One thing I find VERY disturbing
is that there have been several posts on these boards in the past regarding the rampant child sexual abuse that happens in this country, and I've always been amazed how those on the right didn't post anything objecting to this. I would think members of the party that claims to have all the *family values* in this country would be outraged at the sexual abuse of children, yet not a whimper of disgust from them.
Equally alarming is the fact that the leader of the Oregon Christian Coalition resigned recently because of charges that he sexually abused female family members, which, last time I checked, this was called INCEST. I posted the the article concerning this, and again, you could hear the proverbial pin drop -- not one word of outrage. Only one post from them, *winking* as they said *We should lock up all the evil perverted conservatives.*
Is there something wrong with ME because I believe we SHOULD lock up all the *evil, perverted* people, whether they're conservatives or not?
Or is there something else more sinister going on within the Christian Coalition, where incest isn't really a big deal? Given the consistent lack of outrage over this issue from conservatives, it makes me wonder. Makes me wonder what Harriet Miers' views are on this issue.
America, what is happening to you???!! 
Your anti-Americanism is disturbing. sm
*Sorry arses* You compare the Revolutionary War to World War II. You call names and label. You are violently nearly out of control with your anger and your very wording borders on horrendously out of control. Do people really take you seriously in discussion. If so, why?
I find it rather disturbing that Obama
is wanting to control executive pay. Why does our government have a right to tell people what they can make? Besides, aren't these the same loser who get a raise every year no matter what. How about we cap what these losers can make and get rid of their benefits and maybe they will actually start working for the American people and not their own person gain. I'm so sick of our government. Nothing but crooks!!!!
Not a new concept
all kinds of stuff. Bush was blamed for Katrina (blowing up the levees and then deliberately not sending aid) and 9/11 (it was an inside job, you know - Ask Rosie O'Donnell.) According to a popular conspiracy theory, AIDS was created by the US government in the late 1970s (Carter's watch - go figure) to kill black people. Only fair to *spread the wealth,* so to speak, when blame is assigned and give Obama his share.
Hey wait a minute! Maybe none of these conspiracy theories is true and stuff just happens?
Frankly gt you are pretty disturbing all by your lonesome. I'd like to think
there's only one of you.
Disturbing info about concentration camps in U.S.
Now, I know what you might be thinking - U.S. concentration camps?? Really the stuff of tin-foil hatters on the Internet fringe! I've been hearing about them for years but sort of wrote it all off as the wackiest of the wackiness out there - after all where are they? Who has seen them? Couldn't happen here.
So, I'm really not sure what to make of this - it's the third or fourth report I've heard recently and getting harder to ignore. Article:
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Early Warning! Is Bush Preparing to Wage War on Americans?
He has asserted his power to do so amid reports that there are some 800 detention camps throughout the US, staffed, as yet empty but ready for operation. Armed guards are reported to be in place. [ See: INN World Report (Free Speech TV), February 7 broadcast]
The official cover story is that FEMA maintains these facilities in the event of a mass influx of illegal immigrants or in case of national emergency. It is more likely, that the detention camps are created to house political subversives.
(1) The President is now claiming, and is aggressively exercising, the right to use any and all war powers against American citizens even within the United States, and he insists that neither Congress nor the courts can do anything to stop him or even restrict him.
—Glenn Greenwald: The NSA Fight Begins - Strategies for Moving Forward, The Huffington Post
The Pacific News Service meanwhile reports that Homeland Security had awarded a $385 million dollar contract to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/
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That's only part of the article but gives the gist of the story with several more references for the subject. I find it very chilling. Not surprising particularly, but still very chilling. Six years ago I didn't believe it at all. Now? I might!
oops got cut off...Her preaching/her words that are DISTURBING...SM
to say the least!!!!
I don't agree with every single thing my pastor says.
No "witchhunt", just truth. Disturbing, isnt it?
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W's clueless response is equally as disturbing.
"So what if the guy threw his shoe at me?" Bush told a reporter in response to a question about the incident.
"Let me talk about the guy throwing his shoe. It's one way to gain attention. It's like going to a political rally and having people yell at you. It's like driving down the street and having people not gesturing with all five fingers. ...These journalists here were very apologetic. They ... said this doesn't represent the Iraqi people, but that's what happens in free societies where people try to draw attention to themselves."
So what? How many agree that this guy was seeking attention? Only on the W planet would the alleged leader of the free world be so unconscious and so casual about this deepest of insults. Who cares? Not W, evidently.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/14/bush.iraq/index.html
Do you understand the concept of some? SM
Apparently not. Evident on the board....let's see, how about wishing all the Bush family to burn in hell for starters? How about accusing Laura Bush of being drunk when she was driving and her friend was killed? Hummmm....how about saying repeatedly that President Bush planned 9/11 for his own nefarious reasons? And the list goes on. As far as Judge Robert's son, the NYT article was discussed on here and had you read it and the followup, you would know this is being discussed. The word SOME means NOT ALL. Look outside the box.
exercise - what a concept
Put down that liter of diet coke and that supersize bag of Cheetos and meet me at the teeter totter.
Do you understand that concept of
The economy, national security and human rights as promoted in the EU and US are SECULAR concepts. When contemplating international relations, it would be best to keep that in mind.
Clearly, the concept of NWO is not monolithic.
In the brevity of this article, the author cited 5 entirely different models as expressed by HG Wells, the American Presidents/League of Nations (LON), W, conspiracy theorists (CTs) on the blogosphere, and Kissinger. These separate sets of ideas are not interchangeable, nor are the mutually exclusive.
A common feature of Wells (benevolent global social democracy), W (imperial capitalism) and the CTs (a wildly elaborate weave of systemic paranoia and fear-based theories that defy logic or precise definition) is the idea of world domination, while the LON and Kissinger models are grounded in international diplomatic cooperation and, to a large extent, would preserve national sovereignties.
Supporters of the W and CTs models are pathologically phobic vis-a-vis the initiatives and agendas of the Wells, LON and Kissinger models. Resolution of territorial disputes, peace and security, disarmament, basic human dignities, human rights and humanitarian aid, definition, apprehension and prosecution of war crimes, outlawing torture, fighting global hunger, disease, illiteracy, educational and economic parity and such, all WAY too threatening for them.
You and I both know that the fringers, gloom and doom and Armageddon brigades will get themselves all whipped up into a frenzy over this, but apparently Kissinger has mellowed in his old age and is able to recognize a gifted leader with the capacity to renew our aspirations towards such lofty diplomatic goals and get back in touch with our higher purpose.
A NWO is in order. The time is now to make a clean and distinct break with the past. The leader is there and the conditions are ripe for fruition. It will drive the detractors to distraction and despair, but they cannot hold back the hands of time any more than they can stop the evolution of the human race.
Are you familiar with the concept of
For example, African Americans, who are 1 in 13 of our pupulation, comprise every 2 out of 3 death row inmates. Do you honestly think they commit 2 out of every 3 murders punishable by the death penalty?
If a truly a serious discussion is to be had on this topic, the racism practiced in the criminal justice system when it comes to arrest, sentencing, time served, parole and execution rates disparities must be factored into the equation before assuming that the AA population commmits 40% of the nation's crime.
To answer your question, I do believe that Obama will make the greatest strides to date of leveling the playing field in the education, health care and poverty arenas and that it will undoubtedly enable that sector of the population to which you refer to strive to achieve better/higher goals by their own initiatives. He has already had a huge impact there just by virtue of having been elected and in the future, I believe his lead by example approach to this will have an even greater impact. I also think his message of hope rings the loudest where it is needed the most.
Do you have any concept of what abuse of power is?
if you can turn off the hate machine long enough to remember how to do it. It was not Governor Palin's role to interfere in divorce/custody proceedings. Sister Palin could not have done what Governor Palin tried to do. She abuse the power of her office. We have already had 8 years of that kind of malarky. Most of us are not up for another 4. Got it?
What a concept, a politician who come to the Senate.....sm
with tons of experience in screwing people....and is not ashamed to record it!! I say she is uniquely qualified for the politics! IMHO
This shows a true and disturbing lack of knowledge regarding the Israeli
Arab conflict. You surely realise that. I hope this was a joke....an unfunny one at that.
Agreed. Problem is that concept consistently
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The concept is similar to any group plan.
without compromising the care. It is the FEHB (Federal Employees health Benefits) program. It is really good coverage, low deductibles, several choices. Heres the home page website:
http://www.opm.gov/insure/05/index.asp
WELFARE for the country as a nation, what a concept.....sm
a president with who is really fighting to find a way for the suffering folk, those that are down and out, or should we "just let them eat cake," Marie Antoinette? Now there's a leader who used her head, right to the chopping block, and it seems that the corporate raiders who raped this country into this mess were thinking the same thing, "Hey, I got mine!!"
You seem confused, dear. Militant is a military concept.
As soon as you and your party sports its bigotry and hate toward an entire religious population and their culture, attempt to pass it off as some sort of twisted, chest-beating patriotism, add insult to injury by labeling that patriotism as an universal American value and then proceed to use that to justify defaming a fellow American of such extraordinary class and character, you have earned every single drop of anger that you receive in return.
Wanna know who is truly angry and bitter? That would be those "lower bracket" citizens who have lost their homes, are 3 months behind on their mortgage payments, are unemployed, have been outsourced and sold out by their own government and are not making a living wage in an economy of runaway housing, gas, food, drug and medical costs. They are the ones who will be giving the boot to the party that would expect them to endure 4 more years of being lied to about the obscene, senseless wars they wage, politics of fear, corporate corruption and bankrolling tax cuts to help their struggling rich upper crusts and prop up their their trickle up economic schemes. We are down to counting lame duck days in measures of months, weeks, days, minutes and seconds. We have jumped the Hope Train to a better, brighter future and our destination is just around the bend.
Pathetic is knee-jerk support of a concept
just as long as you think it will serve some sort of political gain. If you can't defend you, your party of its candidate can't explain or defend their viewpoints, how then can they expect to win an election. I'm pathetic because I am calling you and the rest of the posters here to simply explain what it is they are endorsing? NOT.
So souls are inhaled at the hospital? Interesting concept. (sm)
I don't think any of the Jewish people I know believe that but I will ask them.
Whoa, that is actually like a Christmas Present from the IRS, what an unheard of concept!!!....sm
True, you can do it yourself, the IRS just makes so daunting and intimidating with all those forms, and then you worry if you make another mistake, you will get another penalty.....Just those three letters together give most folk the heebie geebies.
Also, taling about not needing a service, most people do not know that you DO NOT need those miriad of services who will "talk down your credit bills" and renegotiate. Especially in these times, banks are very eager to get payment and work with you, most banks have a "hardship" department where you can talk to reps who can negotiate lower settlements, eliminate fees, figure out a very good payment plan without fees, etc. You can do it yourself without paying a debt relief service.
Not only do I have a thicker skin - I also have a FULLY DEVELOPED brain-what a concept!!
I know it's hard a concept for the dems/libs, but Rush says what he means.
He doesn't sugar coat. He's got his problems, but he owns them. He doesn't dance around them, sweep them under the carpet, double talk his way out of it. I mean, we aren't going to wake up tomorrow and find out Rush has been hanging with terrorists, is a closet muslim, or the antichrist.
There's a certain honesty to Rush that some people like and others don't.
Bigotry is bigotry. And "sin" is a subjective concept.
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