Sorry, oldtimer, sounds like passing the buck to me...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: It is the jobs of their constituents to hold them accountable...sm - oldtimer
you would think you would want to clean your party up. But I guess not. Whatever, your choice. I do not turn a deaf ear to what any Democrats say on this board...I just refute what is not truthful. And they pound me pretty good as well. And as to tuning me out...do whatever makes you comfortable. It is a free country, after all.
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No the buck does not stop there
You cannot seriously place the blame only on him. There are others who are running the show. Why do so many people call him an imbici!e and stoopid, and then turn around and he has supposedly orchestrated this whole thing by himself with no help at all from anyone.
I put the blame on the generals and the people in charge of the supplies (water, food, etc) to the military. Being prior military I know for a fact that the President is not the sole responsible person for things of this nature. If you want to blame anyone you need to start blaming the generals, colonel's, etc who are the ones who are in charge of supplying our troops with clean water and food. If they wanted to keep our troops safe with clean water, etc they would.
This hatred toward Bush gets way out of hand with blaming him for every single blooming thing that that goes wrong on this planet.
Lets stop with the Bush bashing and figure out where the source really is then blame them.
I guess the buck NEVER stops with him.
Well....buck up little soldier. I think the financial...
well being of the country trumps your party. Oh wait...what am I thinking.
Buck up!! We got through the Bush years, and how
did that work out for you? Oh, that's right, we're still living with the consequences of his two terms because of his economic and foreign policy disasters. Whatever Obama does or doesn't do cannot be any WORSE than what Bush has DONE. Bush has brought the US to its knees, and while on your knees, PRAY for this new prez.
Saw this in passing
I think Sarah Palin is very, very pretty and dumb as a gourd. Clinton is not attractive and I don’t really care for her but think she is not absent in the education department. Lady, how in the world do you come across when you discuss someone who cannot tell a book she has read, magazine, etc. You are kidding with your post, right? As far as the food stamps, I have known several peoplo on these for years and years (before the present guy) who have known how to play the game of getting them and so glad several years ago when they started that you have to go to work and earn a living. The food stamps/work issues long before Obama. The Sarah Palin is a dead issue really. I think most who heard her open her mouth got an idea of what kind of brains she possessed. No wonder they tried to hide her for so long. Easy on the eyes but dumb, dumb, dumb..
It probably has no chance of passing sm
and was just a symbolic parting shot, but some of us are grateful anyway. Rallies from coast to coast today are honoring and thanking Cynthia. Wonder what makes you think her party has disowned her.
My favorite clip of Cynthia vs Rumsfeld below:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
We could require passing an IQ and
It should apply to those wanting to have kids first, too!
BAHAHA ... I am KIDDING - please no flames. Just kidding!
Possible Dems reason for not passing
But the dems didn't get their sneaky little earmark of 20% of any profits to go to the ACORN society which was in the plan drafted last week...could be part of the reason they did not vote for the final one. What hypocrites the democrats are.
Schumer is speaking (almost done now) about passing
this stimulus. He says, "Don't give us the back of your hand because we have made efforts. It is not perfect, but it's sure a lot better than sitting here, arguing and doing nothing. It requires concerted and smart action that President Obama wants."
He makes me sick. He stands to get 8.65B, or 28 times more money for his state than Kansas. Kansas will only get $450M.
Sen. Hatch said "...the first bill, the SChip, had no input from the pubs. The stimulus was put together by the dems and had no input from the pubs until the other day. When (Schumer) starts talking about tax cuts, let's not give it to those who don't pay income taxes.
Let's not put this stuff in a stimuls bill that is supposed to work NOW, not 3 years from now. Congress has exceeded the budget every year for 28 years except for Clinton. The government spending is moving towards 40% GDP."
They are supposed to vote at 5:30 today, but I don't think they will be able to.
Senator Hatch said "this is a partisan plan and the more you rely on the government , the expansion of government is going to be enourmous and that's called socialism. We are for a stimulus that would help homeowners, cut small business tax rates, move further and further towards creating jobs, and this bill doesn't do it. We have to stand up on something, and this is it."
Well, if that is the case, then I guess not passing the bill...
was right.
We can't be quick enough. You've seen how they're passing enormous bills -
- that they don't even read within a matter of hours. First the stimulus, then the tax bill on executive bonuses, etc.
Meanwhile, it's taken them over six months to investigate some very straightforward charges against Charlie Rangel.
CORRUPT!
oldtimer.....
Obviously you didn't see the interview with this doctor. There was no breech delivery with the cervix clamping down on anything. It was flat out a decision to abort a late-term pregnancy because the mother simply decided that is what she wanted. This murderer agreed to do these abortions and did them quite frequently. Now,if you want to believe that only well meaning doctors do these only for the reason you keep listing, go ahead, but the doc himself made it clear this was not a life or death situation, simply the mother deciding she no longer wanted the baby. The procedure he performed had absolutely nothing to do with necessity. It WAS to just "GET RID" of a viable baby in the true sense.
Now, you're saying this doctor didn't know what he was doing? These are murderers who perform these acts NOT OUF OF NECESSITY but for money, plain and simple, it's money. Mother didn't want the baby, so she found a doctor who obviously has absolutely no conscience at ALL and should be tried as a murderer.
He has not tried to hide the fact that he is performing these murders because he says the law is on his side.
to oldtimer
I totally agree with you...
Hey oldtimer, from another oldtimer!
I just wanted to thank you for posting the link to this article. I found it fascinating. It makes me feel more hopeful about the future of the USA, and it's nice to read an article on occasion that stimulates genuine thinking.
Oldtimer - I enjoy your
posts - don't let the extremists bum you out.
At least you were kind about it, oldtimer....sm
The three dems above you, are not kind at all.
Oldtimer, I know you are an Obama
supporter, and I am definitely not an Obama supporter. That aside, I tip my hat to you as you speak with more sincerity and maturity than anyone else on this board! Thank you.
BTW, I am probably an older timer than you!
amen, oldtimer! n/m
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I agree with oldtimer. So in your eyes, we should go right in,
In that case, I think your initial question was posed only in hopes of baiting an Obama supporter. I sure hope that's not the case.
Oldtimer was the original poster
You would have probably gotten that had you not been in such a hurry to jump my post. I have nothing to hide, nothing to get away with and see no real reason to dumb down the phrasology, tone or content of my posts. I respond in kind to to folks who have no real interest in viable political issues, are constantly in attack mode, have pronounced adversions to logic, reason and facts and who haul out the holier-than-thou, pious, elite accusations when trying to avoid any sort of intelligent discourse.
There will always be opposition around who can be as in-your-face as the you choose to be...or not. If I "bother" you somehow, so be it. Right wingers bother me too, but you don't see me going around trying to kick them off the board or telling them they post more than they should.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Give respect and get respect. That's the way it works in the grown-up world. It's your choice.
I was speaking to you, "sm" not oldtimer. (nm)
That was kind of rude, oldtimer. nm
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You are definitely not a right-wing wacko, oldtimer!
I was not referring to anyone in particular as a right-wing wacko, especially you. In fact, I find your posts to be very thoughtful and intelligent.
I agree wholeheartedly with you oldtimer -
My child struggles every week to pay her bills, her childcare, buy groceries for the kids - all on her own because at $10 an hour she makes too much to get any kind of help, but at the same time the doctors she works for are all driving nice new Hummers, Range Rovers, building million dollar buildings. And of course, they will be the first ones to complain about having to pay higher taxes.
I don't think that because she is their employee that she is working any less than them. Of course, they deserve to be paid good, but I think the "little people" who make it possible for you to run your business should get something along the line.
You said it oldtimer! Obama won by majority and
It's time for people to back the new president and be patriotic. Stop the same old vitriol.
Ummm....Oldtimer has posted several times
You and I are on the same page when it comes to rude and inflammatory posts. I will be responding to them whenever the spirit moves me. You should do the same...or not. Whatever. BTW, I for one could give a rat's bottom about maintaining a "reputation" on a forum where many, many people make a choice to remain anonymous. It's just one of those things in life you have to learn to deal with. If name-calling and throwing tantrums gives you some sense of releif, go for it, but do not expect the target to go stand in the corner and hide out until you are done.
Ummm....Oldtimer has posted several times
You and I are on the same page when it comes to rude and inflammatory posts. I will be responding to them whenever the spirit moves me. You should do the same...or not. Whatever. BTW, I for one could give a rat's bottom about maintaining a "reputation" on a forum where many, many people make a choice to remain anonymous. It's just one of those things in life you have to learn to deal with. If name-calling and throwing tantrums gives you some sense of releif, go for it, but do not expect the target to go stand in the corner and hide out until you are done.
But oldtimer...the fact remains...if those 94 democrats...
had voted yes, it would have passed ANYWAY, no matter what the Republicans did. enough Republicans voted for it that the 94 democrats would have made the difference. It would have passed. Not all republicans voted against it.
Oldtimer, it is used in late-term abortions. To get rid of babies.
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Oh gee...that sounds like too much
thinking to have to do...... To think for yourself and not follow like lost sheep.... gee whiz.
sounds like we now have
scientific proof of putting lipstick on a pig!! Great experiement.
It sounds like
you are not endorsing Barack Obama.
It just sounds like to me that she
lives in the neighborhood that she prefers, so that she can be her might self-righteous self.
Sounds like us and more soon when (NM)
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sounds like
sedition to me.
Sounds like someone needs to look
a little deeper into history. FDR actually prolonged the duration of the great depression with his government programs. Get a clue! Stimulus package is a BAD idea and will not work!!!!!
It sounds as though you do not want our
Congresspeople not to listen to the people's voices, I cannot believe that! I am a Democrat. I thought that is why we held elections. Look at the national polls, the numbers are dropping every day, but the last I heard it was like 37% of Americans in favor of passing this stimulus bill. And you are proud these calls are being ignored? This is a perfect example of downright IGNORANCE!
Sounds like someone
needs to go put their nose in the corner or sit in the time out chair. Wow.
Sounds sensible enough, but I wonder...
...would you have the same discussion with them about sniffing glue? Snorting coke? Smoking "Smarties" (the newest thing)? Drinking Drano?
If you're going to disappoint me, break the law and do something harmful to your body, I'd rather you do it at home.
Sorry - I can't get a handle on that one. It's a "helpless parent" position that amounts to parental malfeasance, IMHO. I'm sorry to put it in such stark terms and I realize that I'm going to be in the minority on this one.
Sounds like they are trying........... sm
to do damage control in order to keep their Fortune "Most Admired" status.
It sounds to me as if you need to go to
your personal prayer closet and find your peace. You cannot say how you would react if one of your children came and told you he/she was homosexual.
Just to stay on topic, I am of a firm conviction and do agree with you that this is not a subject to be taught in public schools.
Now you are the one who sounds drunk
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Sounds good to me
I have lost all credibility with you? Yippee!! Yehhaaww!! Right on!! I cant think of another hateful annoying prehistoric thinking person I would rather lose credibility with than you! **BIG HUG**
Lol, welcome back. Sounds like you had fun.nm
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Sounds like they are on the ball...sm
This is something that conservatives preach about, citizens have the ability to change the country not government, so you would think Ann would embrace this movement. There is no doubt in my mind that if these widows raised these issues while a Democrat was sitting as president Coulter would be praising them.
The idea here is to get OUR house in order before we go clean out someone elses.
Sounds like you have compassion for everyone!
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Sounds good to me
I have been ignoring Observer for a few days and it feels great. No need to respond to Observer, I post for my fellow Democrats/liberals and read posts from them. If I wanted to be questioned and **educated** in conservative ways, I would frequent the conservative board.
Sounds like she is just reaching ...
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Sounds like you are referring to a
certain group of people. Correct me if I have misunderstood. Who are you talking about? The vast majority of conservatives who believe the Bible is divinely inspired support the Constitution and don't want it meddled with. Your observation truly has me confused. 
Sounds like that's exactly what you're trying to do
Grow up. Obama has nothing to brag on in that regard, either.
sounds like jealousy
you may say otherwise but reading your post you can see it. Jealousy plain and simple!
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