Well, with an attitude like that, you're probably right.
Posted By: sm on 2008-12-13
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You were the one who had the whatever attitude.sm
-It happens all the time...move on.-
I beg to differ.
What an attitude!
I can see by reading along that you are simply not able to have a logical conversation with ANYONE despite my being respectful. And for your information, the reason I made the statement that we cannot agree is that we are speaking from different basic ethical and moral stands and neither of us is willing to budge. I will choose life and you will choose to end life. You really should not fall back on your religious convictions to explain your belief system, though. I am sure there are pro-choice Christians and I am careful to separate my personal feelings from all of Christianity. This is something you seem unable or unwilling to do. I am not quite sure why anyone would attempt to debate someone such as yourself, but I am sure I will not make that mistake again. It seems you have effectively silenced anyone who does not agree with you often in your lifetime. How nice for you.
what an attitude....
That's your only criterium for voting for the President of the United States?
And you are rich.
This is pathetic.
It's not condescending attitude that
turns you away from Obama, it is your refusal to think for yourself and to vote for your own best interests.
No reason for that attitude.
She was just posting those as examples of things that have been said that are false and that what the OP posted about was yet another one of those rumors that just aren't true.
And this is exactly the kind of attitude
that I feel will ruin us if Obama is elected. Oh...if you don't want to pay your fair share.....just don't make as much. Why should people feel like they have to lower their income. It will make hard working people not want to work hard because the government just takes what they earn. Then you have the people who don't make anything and are living off of the government and that number will grow. The more government assistance given, the more they want and the more they will take. It will make spending for these programs outrageous. Why should we enable people to mooch off of the government?
I understand there are people who legitimately need help. People who are truly disabled and can't work. However, there are many others who are literally just mooching so they don't have to work.
I have to think of MY future. I have two kids who will go through college. One boy is a freshman now so college really isn't too fair away. I have a house I'm paying for. I have a special needs child that requires more of my money. I want to put my hard earned money back for my kids and myself for a rainy day. I don't want it taken from me and given to people who I don't know and who I don't know whether they truly need it or are just lying and mooching off of the government.
The bottom line is this, making more money is an incentive to work hard. You take their money away and give to people who don't work hard and what does that show.....it shows that you don't have to work hard because the government will pick of the tab and it shows the hard workers....why bother. I don't want that for my country. I don't want my kids raised in that kind of life thinking that hard work doesn't pay off.
what a sourpus attitude.
What a condescending attitude.
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You have the typical dem attitude of it's everyone
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Yes, YOUR attitude is one our forefathers envisioned, huh?! lol
geez.
It we adopt that attitude, we will be plunged into war
for the foreseeable future. I certainly do not want that, and I wouldn't think you would either. I have worked very closely with people from the middle east, mostly from Jordan and Pakistan, and I can most assuredly say that it is not US, the American people that they hate, it is our governmental policies that they hate. Those same policies of interference when it is not warranted that have created this chasm. It is not about cultural differences or about religion, the resistance is coming from that sector of radicalism. We have used and manipulated the peoples and governments of the middle east for our own ends for generations.
Your words are not acceptable to me because they tell me that there is no hope and to just give up and give in to the fact that we are going to be embroiled in war forever. I don't want that for my children or for my children's children.
Yes, i have plenty to keep me busy. Your attitude
just makes you seem somewhat sexist and I really was just curious? 
Why do you say Obama has a condescending attitude? I think he is ...sm
much more understanding of the problems of the average American than McCain is.
No, Francie has the attitude. SHE turns me away
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no, YOUR attitude is what scares sensible people.
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You have a really bad attitude and I will never answer any more of your posts because
You just don't get it at all. Go back to Fox News and rest assured, my time will not be wasted on your ignorance anymore.
Well please don't apply one person's attitude to everyone - sm
I for one am very sad that his Grandmother passed away, particularly at this time in his life.
See? It's just that kind of mean-spirited attitude
the republican party. Look at the difference in the crowds at the post-election speeches: One that was all-inclusive, and one that was obviously quite exclusive. One in which the candidate and the people who voted for him were willing to reach their hands out to the defeated party and say, "C'mon we're all in this thing together", and one in which the candidate's party booed the winner.
It's not 'just words', as you put it... it's the beginning of a dialogue, something that's been missing not only within the US, but also between the US and the rest of the world.
McCain is not mean-spirited. He was a good candidate, ran a good race, and would most likely have been a good president. But the party he represents has been consumed in recent years by greed and short-sightedness. And that seems to have gone a long way towards cultivating the mean-spiritedness that's been the hallmark of that party for the last couple of decades.
I think the best thing the Republican Party can do for itself and for future elections is to learn from the mistakes of the last 20 years, and start making changes, and conducting themselves like this is the 21st century, not the 16th century. This country was long overdue for a change for the better, and to embrace the 21st century, not fear it.
That attitude is why racism still exists.....
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with that "better than thou" attitude
i have nothing to say
Im not surprised you voted Obama. i bet your nose is turned up right now
If you can't figure out what i mean, surely you are the kind of person I could trust to know how the economy got this way and what to do to save it...
Your holier than thou attitude....(sm)
is quite amazing. Exactly how do you know that Obama was not sent by God, or as you would say, that the will of mankind by choosing Obama is not in line with the will of God? Has, per chance, your god bestowed upon you the gift of seeing into the future? If this is not the case, exactly what do you base your assumptions about the job Obama will do on? Maybe its because you have bought into the fear doctrine of Bush so much that you can't see beyond it.
You said, *If you believe for one minute that Obama is going to change the way that Iran or any other country in the middle east view America you are very, very naive. The only thing Obama will accomplish will be to weaken this country in an effort to make us more "likeable" to the world and in the end the only thing we will be is weak*
I would love to hear your definition of *weak.* From what I can gather from your posts, weak in your eyes is the unwillingness to use force first. So, what is so wrong with diplomacy? Is your only response to a situation the *shoot first and ask questions later* mentality? Believe it or not, there is strength in the ability to negotiate and compromise with others. Since you base everything on religion, what does your Bible say about that? Does it not teach compassion and understanding? Of have you just interpreted it in a manner that suits you personally?
Do I believe Obama will put an end to offshoring American jobs? I believe that is his goal, unlike Bush and McCain who both supported tax breaks for companies overseas who do that exact thing. Look up their voting records.
*How can he make America liked and respected by other countries, and take away a source of income for so many in third world countries?* It's called FAIR TRADE. Look it up. Maybe you didn't pay attention to what Obama was saying during his campaign. Did you even listen to him, or did you just get the Fox rendition? I would be willing to bet that those *third world countries* know more about his policies than you do, and yet they overwhelmingly support him.
And then there's the middle east. Everyone says they don't want Iran to have nukes. I agree, but I also don't want anyone else to have nukes either. You would argue that Iran is too radical to be trusted with them. I would say the same thing about Israel and the US. Under Bush's reign we have started 2 major wars and are presently funding Israel in its war to the tune of about over 2 billion a year in direct military support. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for a while. If you lived in Iran (a democratic state), you saw this behavior, and you know you are labeled as *next* on the Bush hit list, wouldn't you be trying to arm up?
Now I know you're going to say that each and every one of those wars was justified, but you are sooo wrong it's ridiculous. Israel -- They have been bullying everyone over there for years in the name of the holy land and are currently killing civilians at an alarming rate. Iraq -- An unjust war, to say the least. And then there's Afghanistan, which was supposed to be retaliation for 9/11. Why do you think 9/11 happened? Do you think before 9/11 that everyone in the world just loved the US? News flash -- No, they didn't. The US has been meddling in the middle east for years on end (which included putting people like Saddam in power). So, you think that the Bush administration had no way of seeing it coming. Maybe you missed this interview. It's very enlightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5TkWGsmZF0
And yet, you would say that Bush has *kept us safe.* What a joke!
Amazingly, you call me naive when I am the one looking at the facts, and all you have are innuendos, rumors and guesses about what may happen. Unfounded fears about the future do nothing for the progression of society. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you will be able to see the truth.
You have a good attitude Penny sm
I'm glad you welcomed me back but I see an Obama supporter believe it or not has called me a moron. I wonder what's up with that?
It's glaringly obvious who has the attitude here...(sm)
Instead of actually contributing the conversation, you came along and just decided to pick out someone for a fight. I really am happy that you have such a wonderful life and that this crisis is seemingly not affecting you. However, I don't believe that gives you the right to criticize those who are being affected. But then again, I would assume that was your point -- to just stir up a fight. Maybe you should spend some of that $600 a month on a hobby.
BTW, if I were trying to be nasty, I would have actually told you that you are mindless wonder instead of just saying I would have called you something else. LOL.
Al Gore and his "green" attitude
is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever seen. That fat man preaches to everyone about global warming and then jumps on his private jets and flies off. The kicker is that he is getting rich off of this scam too.
Nice attitude there, lifelong Democrat....
and I was not whining. There were a couple complaining that they did not want conservatives here. The board monitor has said many times cross posting was fine. The liberals on this board were the ones whining....and I was going to respect the whining...and I was trying to be nice about it. Unlike YOU I might add. THAT is the liberal attitude I am talking about. If someone disagrees with you, they are making trouble. You absolutely cannot handle someone not endorsing your every idea. You want to make me public enemy #1 and all I did was disagree with a point of view. Are you really that insecure? Obviously the answer to that is yes. I was trying to extend an olive branch and you say I'm whining. What a condescending, elitist attitude....but then, why should that surprise me, lifelong Democrat??
This kind of attitude will ensure another GOP defeat
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I hope he appreciates your servile attitude
Enough already.
Oh, yeah. I see now why you've got such a *feel good* attitude.
Lurker had the courage to try to debate you, tried to ignore your rude comments and personal attacks. Yes, your intelligent debate triggered responses by Lurker, as follow:
Please do not preach at me and tell me I don't understand the concept of working for a living. I try my best not to berate or belittle anyone on this board and I would appreciate the same consideration.
Please don’t lump me in your hate and rhetoric category. I don't belong there.
I am very disheartened at this time and altho I have taken a couple of weeks off these boards, evidently it is not enough time, my emotions are still too raw to be on a politics board, either one of them. So, again, I will remove myself from this setting for awhile. Aho.
I can see from her above post why you're so happy. Looks like you succeeded in chasing her away for a while, too. 
You have such a better-than-you attitude, I can't stand to read your posts anymore.
And you call yoruself a Christian, PREACHING to the rest of us how we should live our lives! You are the worst kind of Christian, SO judgmental.
This attitude is exactly why we are in such a mess and the country was brought down in the past 8 y
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The juvenile attitude of spending money we dont
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That kind of attitude makes you sound jealous and petty..
I'm sorry if you are offended by my opinion that I don't want to pay more in taxes. You wouldn't either if the tables were turned.
I like Stephen Colbert's attitude. He said concerning the remarks about colors: "That was th
Dr. Seuss book ever!" We take ourselves so seriously. Someone is always going to be offended.
You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."
"She should be taking care of her family."
Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.
They're not tax breaks....they're tax credits
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I'm snotty, you're rude...we're even....
My dearrrr....not everyone in this country pays taxes. So you are wrong there. Obama said "spread the wealth." From his own mouth. The interview in Canada...economic parity and redistribution. Words from HIS mouth. If you believed those words from his mouth as much as you believed other words from his mouth, you would know he is a socialist. Selective memory is a wonderful thing ain't it??
You're right. They're all wack-jobs... nothing
so they try to make themselves feel important by standing around on street corners with their posters and their dollies.
Most of them are just buffoons, good for nothing other than being laughed at by the rest of us. But the ones that totally lose all reason, and go so far as to shoot people (in a church of all places...) is pretty off the deep end.
You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God.
God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary.
That is pitiful. Just pitiful. But that is the attitude they have....
sad.
They're doing to this board what they're trying to do
to the whole country. They're trying to take it over. They want to control which God you believe in, who you love and what you do with your body, be it regarding life or regarding death. If you don't voluntarily agree to turn your free will over to their control, they will hunt you down and nag you to death (since they can't do anything more violent on a message board). It's obvious they are sick, sick people and need major help.
But they ARE like watching a car wreck and are sometimes hard to ignore.
I've thought about it, and for me personally, the very best thing to do is ignore them and for 2 reasons:
1. Ignoring them and not reading their posts makes my visit on this board much more pleasant. I already know I'm not missing anything because there isn't one post on this entire board written by them that has contributed anything of value or intelligence.
2. If we all refuse to read and respond to their posts, they might give up and go find another board to terrorize. I doubt that, though, because they've taken over this board and simply don't have the CLASS to leave. They take pride in their bully on the playground mentality and are proud of their ignorant behavior. They will probably just continue to pat themselves on their backs on this board. The only thing that might startle them and cause them to stop is that the NUMBER of posts on the Liberal board are starting to increase heavily as a direct result of their posting. In the past, they've used the Liberal board's lower numbers to trash us for not being as interesting, when, in fact, the CON board must be pretty boring if they are always choosing to be HERE instead.
Like I said, I've decided that I'd like my visits here to be pleasant, so I'm just going to stop subjecting myself to their cesspools of attacks. They've proven their posts aren't worth wasting time reading, so I'm just going to stop and will feel much better as a result of stopping. 
Your not you're. I hope you're not an MT. nm
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They're children, though. They're not
adults. Mom and Dad need to know these things even if only to possibly prevent problems later.
You're welcome.
If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it, but I doubt he's going to be saying much. I think he understandably wants to distance himself as far away from this administration as he can.
I wish he would run for President. I'd very proudly vote for him in a heartbeat! I'd finally be able to vote for the best candidate instead of the least worst one.
I agree with you, and I admire and respect him very much.
So I take it you're on your
so you don't mind your grandchildren paying their fair share, right?
Bush Tax Cuts = Tax Shifts
UFE Report: Tax Burden Shifting off Wealthy onto Everyone Else
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers as Big as States’ Budget Shortfalls of $200 Billion
BOSTON — A new report, entitled “Shifty Tax Cuts: How They Move the Tax Burden off the Rich and onto Everyone Else,” from United for a Fair Economy (UFE) indicates that between 2002 and 2004, the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of US income earners redirected billions of dollars in revenue that could have eliminated virtually all of the budget shortfalls in the states.
“Congress had the option to send aid to the states to prevent $200 billion worth of service cuts and regressive tax increases,” said Chris Hartman, UFE’s research director. “Instead, they gave tax breaks totaling roughly the same amount to multi-millionaires and the rest of the top 1%.”
The report identifies five main areas of shifting tax burden:
FEDERAL TO STATE — a 15% shift in tax burden between 2000 and 2003
PROGRESSIVE TO REGRESSIVE — at the federal level, a 17% decline in the share of revenue from progressive taxes and a 135% increase in the share of revenue from regressive taxes since 1962
WEALTH TO WORK — A tax cut on unearned income — such as inheritance or investment — of between 31% and 79%, but a tax hike on work income of 25% since 1980
CORPORATIONS TO INDIVIDUALS — a 67% drop in the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations and a 17% rise in individuals’ share
CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS — record deficits that shift the tax burden to our children and grandchildren
“When President Bush and Congress trumpet, ‘Here’s a tax cut', we say, ‘Taxpayer beware!’ said Chuck Collins, United for a Fair Economy co-founder. “Unless you are super-rich, it’s a tax SHIFT, not a cut. Non-wealthy taxpayers will pay for these tax cuts with increased state and local taxes or cuts in public services.”
“Between 2002 and 2004, a full $197 billion in new tax breaks went to the top 1% of American taxpayers,” Hartman commented. “This is money that has disappeared into the pockets of the very wealthy, making it unavailable to solve ongoing budget crises at the state and local levels.”
“I got a rebate check last summer for $400,” said Collins. “Then my eight-year-old’s public school asked me to contribute money to replace worn-out chairs for the students. At the same time, I found out they laid off the librarian because of budget cuts. What good is a $400 tax cut when parents have to cough up additional money for chairs and books or else see their children go without?”
The report concludes that the total federal, state and local tax burden has become increasingly the responsibility of middle-and low-income families in recent decades, and that revenues being generated by taxes are not sufficient to pay for existing public services. Work in particular is being taxed at a higher rate than investment. “I do a lot of work in predominantly Latino areas of Boston,” said UFE Education Specialist Gloribell Mota. “Residents there are the working poor — they have jobs and pay taxes — yet are getting pennies in tax cuts and seeing health care services they depend on slashed.”
“The Bush administration has followed a strategy of starving public services by pulling tax money away from education and housing and giving it away to multi-millionaires,” said Karen Kraut, UFE’s State Tax Partnership director. “States are suffering as a result, and people are going without essential services in order to fund the lifestyles of the rich.”
The report calls for tax reforms to improve the fairness of tax distribution and ensure adequate revenues. Concerned Americans are urged to pass resolutions in their cities and towns to stop the tax cuts and restore local services that have been affected, to call and write their congressional representatives to take action to stop the cuts, and to sign the Tax Fairness Pledge at www.ResponsibleWealth.org/taxpledge.
The co-authors of the report are Chuck Collins, UFE Co-founder; Chris Hartman, UFE Research Director; Karen Kraut, Director of UFE’s State Tax Partnerships; and Gloribell Mota, UFE Education Specialist.
United for a Fair Economy is an independent national non-profit that raises awareness of growing economic inequality.
You're not getting it
if the Attorney POCKETS most of the winnings how are they any better than the greedy corporations? Since you think one is more morally ethical than the other eventhough they may both be doing THE SAME EXACT THING....then the debate has ended as far as I'm concerned.
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