What about the life of the raped woman,,,you are hypocritical freaks!...nm
Posted By: Jan on 2009-03-06
In Reply to: WE do get the big picture, which is why we care about - preserving human life! MSMT
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Raped Iraqi woman feared US troops...sm
I don't usually post reports of the bad side of US soldiers in Iraq because I believe the most of them are doing their jobs with integrity, so even after reading this it is still hard to believe. Thanks to the brave soldiers who spoke out against their comrades. This story reminds me of some of the bad stories I've heard of Vietnam.
Please somebody say it aint so...
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Raped Iraqi woman feared US troops: report
Mon Jul 3, 2006 07:06 AM ET
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A woman apparently at the center of a rape-murder probe by the U.S. military in Iraq was only 15 and voiced fears about soldiers' advances before she and her family were killed in March, the Washington Post said on Monday.
Quoting the mayor of Mahmudiya, near Baghdad, an unnamed hospital official and neighbors of the alleged victims, the newspaper named the woman, her parents and 7-year-old sister as having been killed in their home in the town on March 11.
The paper did not affirm the woman, Abeer Qasim Hamza, was killed by Americans, but local people quoted appeared to believe the dead family was the one involved in the U.S. investigation.
A U.S. military official in Baghdad told Reuters details of the incident they described were at odds with U.S. documents in the 10-day-old investigation of at least three soldiers. U.S. officials had the rape victim's age as 20, he said. However, he added, he was not aware of any other such cases in the area.
The U.S. military has given few details publicly. Officials say at least three soldiers are under investigation over the alleged rape of a woman and the killing of three relatives, including a child, in their home at Mahmudiya on March 12.
Two are suspected of rape and one of these, since discharged from the army, is also suspected of murder, officials said.
The Washington Post quoted Omar Janabi, who said he was a neighbor, saying Abeer Qasim's mother had told him on March 10 that the young woman had complained repeatedly about advances made toward her by U.S. soldiers at a nearby checkpoint.
Janabi told the newspaper he was one of the first people to arrive at the family house after the attack. He said he found Abeer sprawled dead in a corner, her hair and a pillow next to her consumed by fire, and her dress pushed up to her neck.
DEATH CERTIFICATES
The paper said death certificates from Mahmudiya hospital identified the victims as Abeer Qasim Hamza, 15, shot in the head and burned; her mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, 34, killed by gunshots to her head; her father Qasim Hamza Raheem, 45, whose head was smashed by bullets; and Hadeel Qasim Hamza, 7.
The inquiry was launched after two soldiers from the 502nd Infantry Regiment came forward last month to make allegations about comrades. The killings had previously been recorded by the military as the work of guerrillas, U.S. officers say.
Local residents and officials in the area, one of the most dangerous and violent in Iraq, have offered Reuters reporters conflicting accounts of incidents involving U.S. troops.
Two years after the scandal over U.S. prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib jail and coming after a string of murder charges against U.S. troops and accusations over the killing of 24 people in the western city of Haditha, the rape allegation is potentially incendiary in Iraq's conservative Muslim society.
Iraq's main organization of Sunni Muslim clerics, long hostile to the U.S. occupation, said on Sunday the Mahmudiya case revealed the real, ugly face of America.
In recent months, officials say, commanders have cracked down on rogue soldiers in a bid to gain the trust of ordinary Iraqis and of their new government after three years of growing resentment that U.S. officers say risks fuelling the insurgency.
You were raped?
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O a dangerous man? He freaks me out.
So it could get worse if he is president? Yes, he is very intelligent. He knows how to manipulate and knows exactly what to say and what people want to hear. He now wants to "change the WORLD." He is now trying to "kill people's expectations" of him. Some of the things he is now saying is like we are going to have to make sacrifices. What that is? I am afraid to find out. I don't want America to change the way he wants it to change. I love the USA, but the O is scary and I am afraid to the point that I was considering (if I can) moving to Canada if he is our new president.
You got your wish. An MP was shot in the leg by looters. Women are being raped.
Police are turning in their badges because they say their homes are gone and it isn't worth it to them to get shot stopping looters. There is anarchy in New Orleans. Your with come true.
Bush and his cabinet have raped and pillaged
for 8 years. The pallets of cash to Iraq that were dispersed (stolen) without accounting, the 1.3 trillion the pentagon not account for, the 1.5 million in arms that was stolen in Iraq, the personal investments the GOP had in private contractors in Iraq and the negligence of the war in Afghanistan - the real front of terrorists, as we all know - is what this man has done and you RESPECT HIM?? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? Do you realize that in 50 years, the suffering that will be taking place because of the debt racked up in the guise of patriotism? Bush is a fool but not a stupid man. He is a black sheep in his own family. It is irresponsible voting by people like you which has really caused this monumental assault on the entire nation which will never fully recover, regardless of what is done.
Bush and his cabinet have raped and pillaged
for 8 years. The pallets of cash to Iraq that were dispersed (stolen) without accounting, the 1.3 trillion the pentagon not account for, the 1.5 million in arms that was stolen in Iraq, the personal investments the GOP had in private contractors in Iraq and the negligence of the war in Afghanistan - the real front of terrorists, as we all know - is what this man has done and you RESPECT HIM?? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? Do you realize that in 50 years, the suffering that will be taking place because of the debt racked up in the guise of patriotism? Bush is a fool but not a stupid man. He is a black sheep in his own family. It is irresponsible voting by people like you which has really caused this monumental assault on the entire nation which will never fully recover, regardless of what is done.
Some women are sold into marriage and then raped.
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Get a clue people. This FREAKS ME OUT.
I am off the board. This is it. Our United States will never be the same. You want change, you are going to get your change. Downhill from here. Hope you all like the Hitler years. Maybe the O is the messiah, anti-Christ, whatever. This is not a normal political election. Major movement going on. Nothing like this is posted about McCain. Everything on this board is trying to convince everyone of horrible things about O. Nothing about McCain and if McCain comes up, it is so petty. I think some of you like the thrill of what will happen in the next year if O makes it. GOD HELP US ALL if he does. Probably God's wrath will be on us. At least that is what I have been reading on CBN, Kay Arthur, etc.
If the religious freaks forced me to have it, -
I'd stomp on it the moment it popped out.
Whacked out Jesus freaks?
Boy, what a clever girl you are. Did you string all those words together yourself?
Here's one:
Trashy little crack ho's.
You know, like all those girls getting abortions.
Relgious Freaks? Do you mean Muslims?
Or is it only OK to bash Christians in America?
The number of abortions due to rape is so minescule compared to the massive quantities by women who are just too plain lazy or stupid to get themselves on birth control, it's a total joke. Add into that, the inordinate number of women who cry 'rape' when they actually just got wasted and laid, and there's a whole lot of unnecessary suffering going on.
Here's a compromise - I'll support morning-after pills for rape victims - and you support SELF-CONTROL. Sadly, in America these days, self-control is as foreign an idea as thrift and personal responsibility.
Do you religious freaks only care about the fetus and not of
the woman that got raped, the real VICTIM?
How about ASKING HER what she wants to do with this fetus of a rapist and let her decide. Last not least it is HER body and her FETUS (at least half of it, the second half is that of a rapist), who belongs in prison!
Calling everyone RELIGIOUS FREAKS is as offensive
As me calling you a S L U T for your supposed 'rape.'
Get over yourself. Too bad your mother supported your abortion, instead of having one of her own.
that is so hypocritical!
Do you not think that everyone who voted for McCain got sick and tired of hearing negative posts? I mean come on already, get over it! The thing that gets me is that anytime someone says ANYTHING they get slammed by O supporters. O supporters cannot handle controversy at all. I mean, look above for example. I said I did not like O stating that he would REQUIRE community service. Now all of a sudden people feel sorry for me and my kids because we hate community service. HAHAHAHAHHA. Talk about stretching what someone posted. You guys totally took one issue and turned it into another, one that I wasnt even talking about. Crack me up! No one wants to address the fact that his website said it would be REQUIRED, they just want to talk about how I hate community service. Talk about deflecting the issue.
Actually, I don't see it as hypocritical
The majority of those in favor of gay marriage are more likely the children of the free-love era (mid 30s and under). Although, surprisingly, the over 60s with a college education are also among the highest proponents of gay marriage, who may actually be the hippies on college campuses of yesteryear.
Taking it at face value, I don't really see that it is hypocritical. The 'hippies' wanted the right to determine their own relationship and felt that marriage was unnecessary. If you were to poll them, I wager their feelings have not changed on that...to them, to marry or not to marry was and is a matter of choice, which is a choice they feel should also be extended to gay couples.
It's all so much hypocritical whining.
Gee, how much did we wish that people would just lay off a little and let Clinton's private matters stay private for the sake of his family and the nation as a whole.
But NOOOOO, that wouldn't do, would it? The avid glee in exposing his most painful and regrettable bad judgment was the talk of Bushtown, they just HAD to smear it in all our faces and stuff it down our throats ad nauseum - no mercy there, no letting up, no quarter. Vultures.
Now look how they act when people speculate about a former alcoholic and coke blower possibly returning to the habit/s during a time of extreme stress - which is not even a ridculous thing to contemplate, God knows we all know someone who has been caught in this trap. If this is the case it's unfortunate for him, but the point is, it really DOES vitally affect our nation if it's true.
I'm afraid the right handed away its right to credibility on calling for compassion for the personal dignity of the chief executive. You had a chance to show some when the matter DIDN'T affect our nation's security, and you simply blew it big time.
In any case I think it's safe to say that should Bush be tipping a few, he's going to get far better treatment from sympathetic Americans both Republican AND Democrat than his predecessor did for his particular indulgences.
Doesn't seem hypocritical to me. s/m
I SAID I believe abortion equals murder. I believe murder in any form is wrong but I would say that many people don't agree with me or there wouldn't be so many murders. There was a murder on a college campus in Conway, AR yesterday. Obviously if the perps thought it was "wrong" they wouldn't have done it. I also believe that if a person lies, they will also steal and if they will steal they would commit murder. I try not to be judgmental of others. Abortion is, I believe, something that is between the woman and God and I would not presume to speak for God. I figure I've done enough wrong in my own life that I don't need to be passing judgment on ANYONE for ANYTHING. Sort of like taking the log out of my own eye so I can see clearly to remove the speck of dust from my brother's/sister's eye.
As Kendra and I both admitted, we like to argue so hop on in here and argue with us. LOL Sometimes arguing causes people to actually think, something all of us need to be do. It just gets so old with all of the old Obama trash being repeated over and over and over. Something new or proof of all the old stuff I would like to see.
You have a good day too, Sam.
Pretty hypocritical
that you can't thank one without smearing the other.
Okay, fine. That is hypocritical
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Hypocritical, aren't you? Because you would
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HYPOCRITICAL is what I meant.
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What a hypocritical tyrade....
On one hand you yammer on abuot how no one has to "associate" with homosexuals if they don't want to but on other posts about schools wanting to push the homosexual agenda down the throats of students in school, you didn't seem to have a problem with that.
Like many of us know, you just want you cake and eat it too and this has nothing to do with "rights" but just getting your way.
Why aren't you as concerned about the rights of a child and leaving it up to their parents to teach them what they believe to be right? What a hypocrit!!
what is your IQ, I guess 79 I am in now way hypocritical, THINK, if you can
I am much too blunt and impulsive to be hypocritical, my answers come fast.
Do you even know what 'hypocritical' means, or are you just repeating and throwing words around you hear?
If you do not have anything intelligent to contribute to a post, just 'skip' it and move on, best to the Comedy board.
Your post was well written but hypocritical.
You admonish us to come together while in the same paragraph stating Republicans are to blame for everything gone wrong in the last 8 years. You speak of cluelessness, simplemindedness, backwardness, etc. etc. etc., insulting the past administration and anyone supportive of it while proclaiming the virtues of a man whose potential and abilities have not yet been proven. Your post is insulting, opinionated and presumptious, yet you are bewildered and dismayed by those not joining you on the Obama-idolizing bandwagon.
How dare you reduce this to an accusation of racial prejudice? How is such an assumption not hateful in itself?
It is precisely this kind of holier-than-thou attitude that creates and perpetuates devisivenss in the world!
I find it far more hypocritical that Islam preaches as the religion of peace. sm
But then, that's just me.
Stop you evil propaganda, you're just lowering yourself to all those hypocritical evangelicals!
It's obvious your mind is already made up, so please do not force yours on us who do not agree with you one bit. If you're trying to make the rest of us swing in your direction by writing this litany of pettyness and sillyness, you're wrong. John McCain is passé...gone, okay? If I hear him talk about his military service and his tortures one more time, I'm going to puke! This is 2008, the war in Vietnam is long over and the U.S. had to get out. The Russians were in Aghanistan for ten years and had to get out with millions of their soldiers dead. This is an unwinnable war, why smarty pants can't you understand that? And Palin....oh please! She's a controller freak, she'll be running McCain if he's elected! We don't want neither one of them and you will see why come November 4th. We will not put up with four more years of aq Bush.......he's screwed up the country so bad in every way possible! Now everyone hates americans thanks to your current president. He's a Clint Eastwood in disguise. The axis of evil is America, and not the countries Bush loves to denigrade. So stop your propaganda against Barack, he's a breath of fresh air which we all long for. Biden did a lot more than McCain did in Congress. We don't need a novice from Alaska that's for sure. I'm Canadian and up here, it's democrat all the way. I suppose Palin can see the Yukon from her bedroom now? Bush will go down as the worst President the U.S. has ever had. No wonder you're all so scared and nervous about terrorists....he dared them and challendged and now they hate his guts. Let's get Barack in there and start negotiating, communicating and get the world on you side once again, like it used to be. So don't give me your crap about Barack or Joe. Bet you don't even know where Khandahar is! So stop your propaganda and keep your hateful thoughts to yourself!
Monique
ABC: Obama Is Hypocritical For Limiting Wall Street Pay While Having A ‘Lavish Lifest
Yesterday, President Obama instituted a pay cap on bailed out businesses after it was revealed that Wall Street doled out an estimated $18.4 billion in bonuses last year. “If the taxpayers are helping you, then you’ve got certain responsibilities to not be living high on the hog,” he explained.
In what appears to be an attempt to call Obama a hypocrite, ABC’s Scott Mayerowitz “reports” today that the President also has a “lavish lifestyle.” Under the title: “Obama’s Perks: Private Jet, Chef Tax-Free,” ABC notes that Obama earns $400,000 dollars a year and even has a private jet:
The president makes $400,000 a year, but hasn’t received a raise from Congress since 2001. He also gets a $50,000 annual entertainment expense account (any unused money at the end of the year must go back to the Treasury.)
Then there is the use of two private jets, Boeing 747s better known as Air Force One. And of course the constant security details, drivers, a private chef, a country vacation estate and the rent-free use of a well-known, 132-room mansion called the White House. The president also used to have a yacht, until Jimmy Carter sold it.
As its evidence that “corporate America” is upset, ABC said that “some Wall Street bloggers” are angry with the compensation cap. But the article cited only one blogger, Dealbreaker.com, who — apparently poking fun at Sen. Claire McCaskill’s statement — remarked, “Some accountability needs to be put in place. We won’t have them kicking sand in the face of taxpayers any longer.” Dealbreaker.com also suggests charging rent for White House tenants.
Comparing the President to Wall Street CEOs is absurd. The “private jet” that Obama uses is Air Force One, which is used as a security precaution and necessary for the dozens of staff and press that accompany the President on every trip. Each use of the jet by the President is regarded as a “classified military operation” in order to ensure the President’s safety.
Furthermore, Obama’s salary is set by Congress (whose members are elected by the public). CEO compensation is decided internally within the company, usually by its board of directors. The problem with recent excessive CEO compensation was that executives receiving federal funds were still rewarded for failure with tens of millions of dollars from their companies.
The President, on the other hand, does not get a bonus for his performance, good or bad. Indeed, Presidents Bush and Obama earn the same salary. County Fair at Media Matters has more.
I am not in your life....I am in the life of the baby...
and will continue to speak for the baby. Again, my right.
LOL...I mean **woman**!
Mrs. M, are you a woman?
I'm kind of doubting this, based on Mrs. M's preoccupation with various women's looks.
Who was this woman?
An eagle also needs to land sooner or later. Barak is neither left or right. Yes, he does lean a bit to the left, but for years we've had Bush lean to the extreme right thanks to his righteous evangelical radicals. This scares me a lot more. Please read and enlighten yourselves. Those of you who are still undecided are to be pitied. This campaign has been going on for so long, if you still don't know who to vote for....I would say you have a hell of a problem. Take your blinders off, Falwell is dead and I wish Limbaugh was too. The American people have brainwashed themselves and they like it. There are other great countries in the world, not just the U.S. They are proud patriots also and believe their country is the best. So wake up, READ about history and other countries. I live in a country that I would bet hardly of you know, let alone the capital. The country is called Canada and the capital is Ottawa. I too am proud of my country and I think IT IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! Stop listening to those stupid radio talk shows who are nearly all republican........get a life. Vote for Barack, my God you folks need a change!!!
Monique
that woman is a ...........sm
stupid, FUGLY, racist BIATCH!
So a woman has a right to
abort with no questions asked because it is her uterus and no one's business. Yet you wish to take away the rights of people who don't believe in abortion and work in the medical field. No job should require you to do something that you find unethical. If you want to abort your child....fine....that is your decision and one that you will have to answer for and live with. So many people are on here screaming about their rights and how dare their rights be taken away. Forcing someone in the medical field to be involved in something they feel is unethical......isn't that taking away their rights. They have a right to refuse. There are other people in the medical field who would willingly perform an abortion....so why force those who find it unethical? That is just wrong.
A better woman?
OMG! Do even know what a better woman is? I will tell you - one who can say he** with that SOB rapist, I'm living my life my way and moving on! You sound more angry than I do? Have you lived your life to the fullest without being taken advantage of? Are you happy? Is it easier for you to point fingers and say what others should do? I am a very happy person who believes bad things sometimes happen to good people. This has nothing to do with being a better or stronger woman.
American Woman
American Woman, Dont leave, Im the one *they*, whomever (I frankly dont care..smile) tried to ban..Im the one they reported like back in grade school..oooohhhh..gonna tell the teacher..Im still here and NO ONE is gonna get rid of me or my opinions or beliefs unless they ban me and then I will move onto another political board..Dont leave, American Woman..I enjoy your posts and think you are an intelligent person who shows she cares through her posts..We need that here..heck if you leave, I probably will end up leaving, so will Lurker, Observer and all the rest and then what will become of this board..Please stay..Ya know what I do when it gets too much, I spend a half hour or so on Bill Mahers board (they are so friendly)..What you post about is the truth in America, dont deny others of reading the truth that you post..Please stay.
Hey, American Woman!!
Glad to read ya! Come back here, we all must maintain the liberal site, no matter what, ya know? I have been posting at Bill Maher's site, GCT is my *handle*. I usually go into the Current Events arena. I posted a hi to you on Bill Maher's site about one week ago. I didnt see your post, was focused on posts concerning crazy lady Barbara Bush mostly, LOL. Tell ya what, put a clothing pin on ya nose and come back here. I alternate between here and Bill Maher's site.
To American Woman
Dont ya know when I get off this board, I feel like I need a shower after dealing with the attack conservatives? It bugs the heck out of me at times..however, I enjoy reading what other democratic liberals are posting and knowing we are the future for America, the liberal people..There is no way the me-me, lock me behind a gated community, who cares about you, I got mine society will exist..It is not workable in an expanding world. So, as much as sometimes the conservatives, for some reason or another cannot stay on their own board and bug the heck out of me, I check back here every once in a while..I wish you would too. We need you here as a compassionate sane poster..I was on Bill Maher last night in Current Events, talking about jury duty, which I have to do in October..Blah!!
Hi American Woman!
Hi American Woman! Come on back here regularly. We have some really good liberal posters now. Yes, Im in CA. The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am). They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction). With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert. About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot. Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out. Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile). So good to hear from ya..Come on back here. The board isnt the same without ya. :o).
P.S. American Woman
I should have included this in my last nights post..thank you for thinking of me and praying for me and my family. You are so kind. :O)
gt: Where's American Woman??
I haven't read too far yet tonight but is she back? And don't know what you're referring to in terms of your family but please let us all know if there is anything we can do to help?
It's actually a woman speaking. sm
This is very significant because this was on Al-Jazeera TV and what she says is pretty chilling. I clicked on it and it worked for me. I am sure you can find it somewhere else on the internet. Just for the record, I am not so sure he is president material myself. I dont doubt his leadership in the war on terror, but I am disappointed in other things.
Why would any self-respecting woman
vote for a man who calls his wife a "cu_t" and a trollope?
I don't get it. This is his wife- supposedly the one he loves. Apparently doesn't respect!
What does he believe about other women?
PS....all as a married woman, I might add.
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You can't speak for all of us. As a woman,
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What woman did he diss? sm
I'm being sincere here, I don't know who it was. I know it wasn't HC because I thought she said she wouldn't consider VP. But maybe it is her and she changed her mind.
I think it is a woman's right to choose.
IT has been debunked. The woman who...
said she was a member has recanted. She has always been registered republican. Her husband was a member several years ago.
Obama's pastor as recently as last year said "God dam* AMerica." Both Obama and his wife attended that church for 20 years.
Comparing the statements...and the person who made them...I would say there is no room to accuse Sarah Palin about her husband than to accuse Obama and his wife about their pastor/mentor/friend who married them and baptized both of their children.
Can we leave this nonissue now?
one intelligent woman
The fact that you can write that in such a classy way should make the libs choke on their words.
Nice job and don't let anyone ever silence your beliefs.
My favorite part of what you said was this "There is nothing wrong with nor to be ashamed about in the way we feel and we are as much entitled to that as liberals are to liberalism".
For the party that claims tolerance, they are the most intolerant people I encounter.
Happy Friday girl
hello? the statement that the woman
loves to fire people? pretty simple what i was responding to.
You silly woman
Where on earth do you get your so-called news? Moveon, Kos, or DemocraticUnderground?
If you care to ignore the teachings of Saul Alinsky, what do you think about his "church" associations?
Bill O'Reilly will be doing "The Obama Chronicles" on his show this week (or however long it runs), starting with Wm Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn.
If you're looking for documented accuracy, Rush Limbaugh is certified 98%-ish right. I hear it so often that the way it's said escapes me, but the libs know it, too. That's only one reason they hate him so much. Of course, the first is that he's got over 20 million listeners. Nobody can touch those numbers. Incidentally, I'm one of them.
Probably the first time he saw a woman
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