Wow, such sour grapes!!! I know it's hard to lose but try to be classy nm
Posted By: Mrs. M on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: Sweetie, some of us don't bother - awww
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The grapes are SOUR
anyway, said the disgruntled fox.
Sour grapes..sm
It is not necessary for a senator or congressman to go to Iraq to know what is going on there, but for those politicians who need to rely more on image than substance, these trips may be helpful, even though they do end up only preaching to the choir. No response to the personal slam is necessary as it adds nothing but contempt to the dialogue. This “hoohah” has a much more dignified name, although it seems to be a 4-letter word for some. It’s called diplomacy. The US has a long history of it and millions of Americans and other “citizens of the world” look forward to seeing this honored tradition restored. It sure beats the heck out of invasion, occupation, bombing countries into democracy and all that collateral death and destruction. Denying doesn’t make it so. McCain challenged Obama, the media goaded him and he complied with their wishes. More importantly, he came out smelling like a rose, and for all of us who paid attention, it was a long overdue breath of fresh air. This demand to hear Obama admit that the surge worked is nothing more than a distraction and a desperate ploy to throw attention off the success of his trip. He is not alone in his views about the surge and about the needless war that preceded it and he is not required to say what his detractors want to hear. He is simply being true to his own beliefs, something that many among us find extremely attractive.
Sour grapes.
simply does not begin to compare to Obama's. It's just kills you guys when you have a momentary insight into the vacuous plan your candidate presents.
A close examination of Obama's healthcare plan AND the history of debate on this subject dating back to the early 90s reveals that not only are his proposals feasible, they are exactly what is needed to make healthcare affordable and accessible. What in the world do you folks have against insurance plans that cover pre-existing conditions? In fact, I am old enough to remember when they did just that, so I know that it is possible and that the insurance companies still managed to enjoy reasonable profits and competitive stock prices. Get over yourselves, already.
Exactly sam. The only sour grapes
I have is that my household falls in the category of rich according to O and he is going to tax the heck out of us in order to help those who won't help themselves. Socialism is on its way baby, and those who are blinded by O are in for a rude awakening when it starts to slowly creep in. It's not going to happen overnight, it will happen in a way that will be palatable and not rouse suspicion, stated in a way that many will believe. I am kind of looking forward to the backlash that's going to happen in the coming years; thank goodness we here are prepared for it and have seen it coming; we have not been led to the cliff only to be thrown off of it.
Sour grapes from
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Nobody said otherwise. He's just a sour grapes
no self-respecting "leftie" would be caught dead in the same room with him.
sour grapes and
No, YOU can't.
OBAMA WON, someone is sour grapes!!! tee hee
smiling
sour grapes, chew chew, sour grapes nm
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You are munching on sour grapes.... too bad nm
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Well....pardon me if I want to separate sour grapes...
from the truth. Verifying facts is not critiquing. I do it because I want to know the truth. Somehow it loses its punch when she lists: "She has hated me since 1992." lol.
Sounds like sour grapes because OBAMA WON
HE WON
What is nasty? The sour grapes you must chew? nm
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Just sour grapes because Err America is dead in the water???
Media matters wouldn't know satire if it was intelligently explained to them. Rush has fun with people like this who are so serious they look as if they never take the hangers out of their coats. Everything mediamatters spouts about him are things that Rush was saying just to get their goat.
They fall into his trap every time, and it makes them look like the humorless people they really are. He was doing the same thing with the Survivor remarks he made last week, and as you can see people took him very seriously. They play right into his hands.
sour grapes because McGeezer and Ditz lost hahaha nm
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Calling people honey and dear just weakens your lame repub cause SOUR GRAPES
too bad you can't be a real American and be proud of Obama!
I know SOUR GRAPES squish when I hear it! hahaha!!!!! GLOATING !!! I'm gloating about Obama
hahaha, jealous
It's hard to have your precious McCain lose
McCain did himself in by choosing Palin. It is exhibit A of his bad judgement.
I do agree. It was a lose/lose situation for him either way.
Very sad.
Classy. nm
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nice and classy
Ever the classy response, reveille....
talk about predictable. Can't understand why the dog doesn't learn...he/she is sitting at the feet of the master...so to speak.
I agree, they did great, very classy
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Oh, that was classy... not!. McCain was the hero
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The Dems sure do have a classy way of expressing...
themselves eh? Not so much.
Classy post, panties in a wad? That's all you have? sm
loser
Very beautiful, very classy lady. (nm)
Wow, clever and classy. Your mother
Do you have an opinion on the actual topic of the thread or do you just specialize in pithy one-liners?
Someone is a sore loser OBAMA IS CLASSY nm
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Really classy reply; I would rather be ugly on the outside than the inside...sm
Honest truth. Physical beauty fades, but inner beauty is forever, and it benefits all who come in contact with you. Personally, I think Mrs. Obama is very lovely, carries herself well, she is a lady, she is so healthy and toned I could only WISH I could get that back, and her style is her style. Shall we put first ladies in a Burka? Is there a dress code to the office? Her husband is crazy about her, the public loves her, she has beautiful, lady-like daughters, and she is friendly and unassuming. Do the folk flinging around the nasty "ugly" comments look into their own mirror, let alone their inner beauty, or lack thereof? JMHO
Really classy reply; I would rather be ugly on the outside than the inside...sm
Honest truth. Physical beauty fades, but inner beauty is forever, and it benefits all who come in contact with you. Personally, I think Mrs. Obama is very lovely, carries herself well, she is a lady, she is so healthy and toned I could only WISH I could get that back, and her style is her style. Shall we put first ladies in a Burka? Is there a dress code to the office? Her husband is crazy about her, the public loves her, she has beautiful, lady-like daughters, and she is friendly and unassuming. Do the folk flinging around the nasty "ugly" comments look into their own mirror, let alone their inner beauty, or lack thereof? JMHO
Wow, you sure are quick! BTW...love grapes! nm
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sweet - more like sour and rotten LOL LOL LOL
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Geez. This has to be the most sour, unhappy bunch of people I have ever...
seen. sigh.
I am not willing to lose what
I've earned through my hard work to give to some lazy bum who would rather mooch than work for a living. I'm not willing to lose my freedom. To me....it seems like government wants to take control over more things and when will it end.
I do not support our president because I do not believe his goals and agenda will help anyone who really needs the help. It will continue to enable moochers to keep on mooching. It will hurt charities by taxing the rich.....who, BTW, are the biggest donators to charities. It will hurt businesses by taxing them more and in turn they will cut back and lay off workers, not hire more employees. Cap and trade will hurt everyone as gas prices will sore, utility costs will sky rocket, and the price for all goods and services will go up. That doesn't help people who have to decide which is more imporant....gas to get to work or food to put on the table.
To stand by and let these things happen because we support our country and just have to see how things come together......to me that is just ignorant. That is how we ended up in this situation in the first place. We supported our country and put our trust in government (dems and pubs alike) and we ended up getting it stuck to us.
The U.S. didn't lose.
We weren't allowed to win.
How many did you lose on Sept 11?
Probably none. I did. I still can hardly believe that they country I live in, have ALWAYS felt safe in and never, EVER thought anything like that would happen in...did. Don't you get it? It did. I for one do not ever, EVER want it to happen again. I'd give every dime I have and every dime I'll ever make to have those back that I lost.
Yes, investors have a lot to lose....
and investors are not just "the rich." Many companies' 401Ks for their employees are in the stock market. People should be VERY careful about what they think they want...the effects could be disastrous for an already weak economy.
here are a few if my candidates lose -
1. Get up Wed. AM, after election, turn on TV. See my faves didn't win. My reaction: 'Oh, cr@p!'
2. my actions: Eat cereal and drink coffee.
3. Where to go from thERE?
BACK TO BED!
4. What will I flee? My low-paying MT job, which most likely will never get any better.
Don't lose sleep over it
Win or lose, we'll be rebuilding the Republican party. That means purging the RINOs, too. That's more than can be said for the Dems.
I believe they lose a portion of their
social security. I agree that it is unfortunate and absurd that senior citizens are treated as they are. As far as her obit, that was the family. Could be they did not agree with the situation or had a problem with him. At least he was mentioned although it must have hurt him deeply. Long-time same sex partners are usually not mentioned at all.
they did not lose one person
They lost an entire generation and their children too probably. Can you say 529 no more?
novelty VP choices always lose
Geraldine Ferraro. Gore and Lieberman, etc.
I agree with you. He/she should lose license. nm
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Dang! 208 to 228 didn't lose by much (sm)
Both Suzy Orman and Jim Cramer were on the Today show and they thought it was a good deal which, I might add, surprised me.
I wonder what will happen now.
There goes my 401K!
Lose the "denial" accusation will ya.
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Thinking that the democrats would lose is exactly, well....
Thanks for proving my point for me.
win or lose......it's not our place to intervene
we continually give Israel the very tools they use to give to terrorists groups who when the terrorists groups no longer do Israel's bidding, then Israel wants to turn on them. They may have good reason down the road but Israel needs to stop playing the terrorists like pieces on a chess board if they don't want them turning around decades down the road and turning on them.....
Let's lose the "teabagger" thing, okay?
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IRS to Church: Support Iraq War or Lose Your
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-allsaints7nov07,0,592419,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Antiwar Sermon Brings IRS Warning
All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena risks losing its tax-exempt status because of a former rector's remarks in 2004.
By Patricia Ward Biederman and Jason Felch
Times Staff Writers
November 7, 2005
The Internal Revenue Service has warned one of Southern California's largest and most liberal churches that it is at risk of losing its tax-exempt status because of an antiwar sermon two days before the 2004 presidential election.
Rector J. Edwin Bacon of All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena told many congregants during morning services Sunday that a guest sermon by the church's former rector, the Rev. George F. Regas, on Oct. 31, 2004, had prompted a letter from the IRS.
In his sermon, Regas, who from the pulpit opposed both the Vietnam War and 1991's Gulf War, imagined Jesus participating in a political debate with then-candidates George W. Bush and John Kerry. Regas said that good people of profound faith could vote for either man, and did not tell parishioners whom to support.
But he criticized the war in Iraq, saying that Jesus would have told Bush, Mr. President, your doctrine of preemptive war is a failed doctrine. Forcibly changing the regime of an enemy that posed no imminent threat has led to disaster.
On June 9, the church received a letter from the IRS stating that a reasonable belief exists that you may not be tax-exempt as a church … The federal tax code prohibits tax-exempt organizations, including churches, from intervening in political campaigns and elections.
The letter went on to say that our concerns are based on a Nov. 1, 2004, newspaper article in the Los Angeles Times and a sermon presented at the All Saints Church discussed in the article.
The IRS cited The Times story's description of the sermon as a searing indictment of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq and noted that the sermon described tax cuts as inimical to the values of Jesus.
As Bacon spoke, 1984 Nobel Peace Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a co-celebrant of Sunday's Requiem Eucharist, looked on.
We are so careful at our church never to endorse a candidate, Bacon said in a later interview.
One of the strongest sermons I've ever given was against President Clinton's fraying of the social safety net.
Telephone calls to IRS officials in Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles were not returned.
On a day when churches throughout California took stands on both sides of Proposition 73, which would bar abortions for minors unless parents are notified, some at All Saints feared the politically active church had been singled out.
I think obviously we were a bit shocked and dismayed, said Bob Long, senior warden for the church's oversight board. We felt somewhat targeted.
Bacon said the church had retained the services of a Washington law firm with expertise in tax-exempt organizations.
And he told the congregation: It's important for everyone to understand that the IRS concerns are not supported by the facts.
After the initial inquiry, the church provided the IRS with a copy of all literature given out before the election and copies of its policies, Bacon said.
But the IRS recently informed the church that it was not satisfied by those materials, and would proceed with a formal examination. Soon after that, church officials decided to inform the congregation about the dispute.
In an October letter to the IRS, Marcus Owens, the church's tax attorney and a former head of the IRS tax-exempt section, said, It seems ludicrous to suggest that a pastor cannot preach about the value of promoting peace simply because the nation happens to be at war during an election season.
Owens said that an IRS audit team had recently offered the church a settlement during a face-to-face meeting.
They said if there was a confession of wrongdoing, they would not proceed to the exam stage. They would be willing not to revoke tax-exempt status if the church admitted intervening in an election.
The church declined the offer.
Long said Bacon is fond of saying it's a sin not to vote, but has never told anyone how to vote. We don't do that. We preach to people how to vote their values, the biblical principles.
Regas, who was rector of All Saints from 1967 to 1995, said in an interview that he was surprised by the IRS action and then I became suspicious, suspicious that they were going after a progressive church person.
Regas helped the current church leadership collect information for the IRS on his sermon and the church's policies on involvement in political campaigns.
Some congregants were upset that a sermon citing Jesus Christ's championing of peace and the poor was the occasion for an IRS probe.
I'm appalled, said 70-year-old Anne Thompson of Altadena, a professional singer who also makes vestments for the church.
In a government that leans so heavily on religious values, that they would pull a stunt like this, it makes me heartsick.
Joe Mirando, an engineer from Burbank, questioned whether the 3,500-member church would be under scrutiny if it were not known for its activism and its liberal stands on social issues.
The question is, is it politically motivated? he said. That's the underlying feeling of everyone here. I don't have enough information to make a decision, but there's a suspicion.
Bacon revealed the IRS investigation at both morning services. Until his announcement, the mood of the congregation had been solemn because the services remembered, by name, those associated with the church who had died since last All Saints Day.
Regas' 2004 sermon imagined how Jesus would admonish Bush and Kerry if he debated them. Regas never urged parishioners to vote for one candidate over the other, but he did say that he believes Jesus would oppose the war in Iraq, and that Jesus would be saddened by Bush's positions on the use and testing of nuclear weapons.
In the sermon, Regas said, President Bush has led us into war with Iraq as a response to terrorism. Yet I believe Jesus would say to Bush and Kerry: 'War is itself the most extreme form of terrorism. President Bush, you have not made dramatically clear what have been the human consequences of the war in Iraq.'
Later, he had Jesus confront both Kerry and Bush: I will tell you what I think of your war: The sin at the heart of this war against Iraq is your belief that an American life is of more value than an Iraqi life. That an American child is more precious than an Iraqi baby. God loathes war.
If Jesus debated Bush and Kerry, Regas said, he would say to them, Why is so little mentioned about the poor?''
In his own voice, Regas said: ''The religious right has drowned out everyone else. Now the faith of Jesus has come to be known as pro-rich, pro-war and pro-American…. I'm not pro-abortion, but pro-choice. There is something vicious and violent about coercing a woman to carry to term an unwanted child.
When you go into the voting booth, Regas told the congregation, take with you all that you know about Jesus, the peacemaker. Take all that Jesus means to you. Then vote your deepest values.
Owens, the tax attorney, said he was surprised that the IRS is pursuing the case despite explicit statements by Regas that he was not trying to influence the congregation's vote.
I doubt it's politically motivated, Owens said. I think it is more a case of senior management at IRS not paying attention to what the rules are.
According to Owens, six years ago the IRS used to send about 20 such letters to churches a year. That number has increased sharply because of the agency's recent delegation of audit authority to agents on the front lines, he said.
He knew of two other churches, both critical of government policies, that had received similar letters, Owens said.
It's unclear how often the IRS raises questions about the tax-exempt status of churches.
While such action is rare, the IRS has at least once revoked the charitable designation of a church.
Shortly before the 1992 presidential election, a church in Binghamton, N.Y., ran advertisements against Bill Clinton's candidacy, and the tax agency ruled that the congregation could not retain its tax-exempt status because it had intervened in an election.
Bacon said he thought the IRS would eventually drop its case against All Saints.
It is a social action church, but not a politically partisan church, he said.
Just learned how Hillary is going to get Barack to lose
Hillary's supporters like General Wesley Clark and others are starting to come out now in full force making statements that are not favorable towards Barack. Even though Clark's statements are true (just cos you are shot down in an aircraft doesn't mean your qualified to be President) but it doesn't help in getting your party elected to the white house. I knew she was going to do it so that McCain would win and because he's so weak he'll only be in four years then she and Bill will run again in 4 years. I just didn't know how she was planning it until I watched the news this a.m. She is such a skum bag in my opinion. The worry of having to listen to her again in 4 years is enough to put me through the roof again.
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