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Ridiculous comment. Bush was humble. Cheney

Posted By: hurt back moving boxes. -more lowclass liberals.nm on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: Bush and Cheney are criminals no cheerio about it sm - Mrs. M

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So how did the Cheney comment fit in except to say that Obama was not keeping us safe from this flu?
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...and Bush & Cheney were most definitely
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I am in NO way a fan of Bush or Cheney,
but at least they're not lying about what they did. If these congressmen would just come out and say that they knew what was going on and did nothing about it, sure it would make them look bad, but not as bad as lying about it does.

I guess it shouldn't surprise us, though, that there's no taking responsibility for actions in our government - that's one of the biggest problems in our country - it's always someone else's fault.

Take 'em all down, I say. Kick every last one of them out and start anew.
Bush/Cheney = EVILDOERS!!!

May their sorry a$$e$ rot in helll!  What did Bush do in the first three weeks of office - clear brush in crawford? He holds the record for the most vacations.


That's what I said to my hubby When Bush and Cheney..
...decided that we should go to war in Iraq, even when AL Qaeda was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Decided that there were WMDs in Iraq, despite being told by an impartial panel (United Nations) that there were no such things.

We knew right then and there that this country was in deep trouble. We had an arrogant excuse of a president, who was bound and determined to follow his own agenda (or daddy's)no matter what the American people wanted.

I know how you feel, but this problem is NOTHING compared to the mess that the last administration left us in!
Comment on Bush comment

I heard Bush this morning saying that no one predicted or knew that the New Orleans levees would give way.  Well, that is not true.  This was widely predicted by engineers and meteologists.  The engineers predicted it for years if/when a major hurricaine hit, as well as engineers and meteorologists predicting this 1-2 days before Katrina.  I even told my boyfriend last Sunday night that they were predicting some levees would break, that New Orleans would be in water the same depth as Lake Pontchartrain and that thousands could die.  Gee, guess I should be a White House advisor.


My other gripe is that this federal response seems a bit slow.  Like maybe Monday afternoon things should have been put into motion instead of......Thursday?  But then, I'm sure not an expert.


And George Bush and Dick Cheney

A good question for Bush/Cheney
Why hasn't bin Laden been captured/killed?  Why was his family secretly flown out of the country without being detained for questioning?  Someone needs to call Bush/Cheney to account but I doubt it will happen.  Too many crooks on board.
Bush and Cheney are criminals no cheerio about it sm
Bush looked ashamed today at the inauguration. Cheney was in a wheelchair, laying low.

Heads up Bush and Cheney lovers...(sm)
from what I understand, the govt will be releasing more of the redacted portions of the torture memos on Friday.  Soon to be followed by more info.  Hold onto your hats. 
well, if this is true, I blame Bush, Cheney and all the damage
they have done to this country. The republicans will always go down in history as to blame.

They have had full control and yet still manage to blame everyone else for the problems.

Look around, because Bush has left this country with no other option but for the government to step in. This has been breeding because of his carelessness and ineptitude. He ruled like a king/tyrant in the white house.

This will be on his hands.
LOL I doubt Bush/Cheney have many friends in Chicago
most of them seem to be on Wall Street.  Hopefully the old Chicago "families" won't have to tap the taxpayers. 
Bush admits to directing cheney to discredit Joe Wilson.

At the time, officials told said that Plame's outing resulted in *severe* damage to her team and *significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.*  I guess personal kindergarten style paybacks are more important to Bush.  Just remember Bush's role in all this when he declares yet another war on Iran.



Bush Told Prosecutors He Directed Cheney to Discredit Joe Wilson


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


George W. Bush, 9/30/2003:


I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.


And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.


And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.


12/13/2005


Newspaper columnist Robert Novak is still not naming his source in the Valerie Plame affair, but he says he is pretty sure the name is no mystery to President Bush.


I'm confident the president knows who the source is, Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.


So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.'



07/03/2006


Reports: Plame Was Monitoring Iran Nukes When Outed
By E&P Staff
Published: May 02, 2006 10:55 AM ET


NEW YORK What was Valerie Plame working on at the CIA when she was outed by administration officials and columnist Robert Novak? MSNBC's David Schuster on Monday said he had confirmed an earlier report that she was helping to keep track of Iran's nuclear activity--not a front and center issue for the White House.

Earlier this year, Larisa Alexandrovna of the Web site RawStory.com, reported that Plame, whose covert status was compromised in the leak, was monitoring weapons proliferation in Iran. At the time, officials told her that Plame's outing resulted in severe damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.

On last night's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent Shuster reported that intelligence sources told him thatr Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources asserted, he said, that when here Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.


http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002426164


Bush was sort of in national guard but never showed for the physical... that counts? Cheney was nev
duh?? ya'll?
Sorry Dem, meant my comment for Lila Bush :)~nm
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I see you are also very humble-NOT
Your arrogance and superior attitude are not one bit interesting or exciting.
This Bush is evil Cheney is evil garbage.
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Humble? Obama? Puleezzzeeee.
lol.
Here is my humble opinion on the whole thing....
The United States needs to call all it's troops back from where ever they are stationed (Germany comes to mind for starters). Then call in any outstanding debts we are owed (which may not be much any more), and close our borders...north, south, east, and west. Then, the next time a major disaster occurs somewhere, we say to the injured parties....get China over there to help, call Russia, let Mexico send all their money and illegals over to help. We are not going to be the world's savior any more. You can sink or swim on your own.

You cannot fight an enemy that has no uniform. You cannot negotiate with a person who wants to cut your head off, who believes it is his Allah-given right to cut your head off.

For Obama to apologize for the arrogance of the United States is the epitome of arrogance on his own part. But then you could expect no less from someone who has no knowledge of politics except at the state level.

If it hadn't been for the United States, France would be speaking German for starters.
well....number one bashes humble beginnings...
what may I ask is wrong with serving your local community?

I don't have a problem with cleaning up the party if it needs cleaning.

She is pro life - GREAT. She is for marriage defined as a man and woman - GREAT.

Murkowski was crooked as a dog's hind leg and she got rid of good ol' boy politics in Alaska - GREAT.

as to lack of experience...better be careful about that one Your #1 chair has less experience than she has. That doesn't hold water.

this poster acts like it is a bad thing to bring up your own party on ethics...I saw that is what politicians SHOULD be doing IMHO. Put service to the people who elected you above your party. GOOD FOR HER!!!
So in your humble opinion, Baker was refraining
in his article and acting like an adult when using such phrases as:
1. Surly members of the liberal world
2. Anytime the crap-o-meter goes off
3. Assertions that the "liberal bench" delivered 8 years of constant criticism, whining and churlishness and need to tone down their "unimaginative, really foul language." Dismissive and condescending.
4. Liberals keep Palin as a "sacrificial scapegoat." Liberals harbor legitimate concerns over the frightening aspect that someone so intellectually challenged came within a hair's breadth of the highest office in the land.
5. Implications that Obama's appointees are selected based only on the criteria that they are acceptable to CIA bashing liberals? Not at all true. His appointees are all over the map in terms of political orientations.
6. Characterizing liberals' criticisms of John Brennan as "what a load of crap"...twice.
7. Misrepresenting liberals views of torture as a sterotypical monolithic "it's either chatting or it's torture". Pretty much a bald-face lie.
8. Implying that liberals world view is one of a leafy campus surrounded by lofty thoughts of world peace, unicorns and fuzzy warm puppies. The word diplomacy is obviously not in Baker's vocab, despite the fact that it has been an integral part of our country's history for decades of decades.

Yeah, right. Silly me for taking issue and being "unnecessarily nasty."

Again, expressed My Humble Opinion, I have questions......sm
Where did I try to shut anyone up???? I have tried to post on both sides of the fence, my personal opinions, when I agree with the right I post that way, when I believe in the left or the middle, I post that way. I have no uneasy feelings at all, sorry to disapppoint you, I believe in what I said, I sometimes think that arguments get so personal and heated on this board because it gets too personal, personal attacks, and many times the insults have religious labels attached to them. THAT is what makes me uneasy because I personally do not believe that religion should be used in that way....the Zealots tried to make Jesus into a political figure and crown him king, but He steadfastly maintained that His kingdom was not of this world, but the next, that He came in Fulfillment of prophecy, not to tear down establishment. I am only saying, if religion is at the heart of an argument,then it perhaps goes beyond being political and becomes about a spiritual philosophy, and there is a board here dedicated to that. I agreed with what BB was saying in this instance, added my opinion, and that IS my right, also, since you are so concerned with rights. I cannot be "force-fed" because my soul is filled with deeply embedded, eternally strong beliefs, so I get no uneasy fealling whatsoever. Okay, back to work.
too ignorant a comment to comment on...nm
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We already have Cheney.
Cheney has the warmth and personality of a dead fish.
Cheney

Judge to review Cheney interview in CIA leak case


Libby told the FBI in 2003 that it was possible that Cheney ordered him to reveal Plame's identity to reporters. The prosecutor in that case, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, said in his closing remarks at Libby's trial that there was a "cloud" over Cheney's role in the case.


Fitzgerald told members of Congress who also sought the information that Cheney set no conditions about the use of his interview with investigators.


CREW argued that the public has a right to know the role that Cheney played in the leak and why he was not prosecuted.


A Cheney spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.


 


I hope Cehney will also be prosecuted about the Abu Ghraib torture case when Obama decides that the TIME IS RIGHT.


 


Cheney

Judge to review Cheney interview in CIA leak case


Libby told the FBI in 2003 that it was possible that Cheney ordered him to reveal Plame's identity to reporters. The prosecutor in that case, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, said in his closing remarks at Libby's trial that there was a "cloud" over Cheney's role in the case.


Fitzgerald told members of Congress who also sought the information that Cheney set no conditions about the use of his interview with investigators.


CREW argued that the public has a right to know the role that Cheney played in the leak and why he was not prosecuted.


A Cheney spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.


 


I hope Cehney will also be prosecuted about the Abu Ghraib torture case when Obama decides that the TIME IS RIGHT.


 


Cheney

Judge to review Cheney interview in CIA leak case


Libby told the FBI in 2003 that it was possible that Cheney ordered him to reveal Plame's identity to reporters. The prosecutor in that case, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, said in his closing remarks at Libby's trial that there was a "cloud" over Cheney's role in the case.


Fitzgerald told members of Congress who also sought the information that Cheney set no conditions about the use of his interview with investigators.


CREW argued that the public has a right to know the role that Cheney played in the leak and why he was not prosecuted.


A Cheney spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.


 


I hope Cheney will also be prosecuted about the Abu Ghraib torture case when Obama decides that the TIME IS RIGHT.


 


Cheney

Judge to review Cheney interview in CIA leak case


Libby told the FBI in 2003 that it was possible that Cheney ordered him to reveal Plame's identity to reporters. The prosecutor in that case, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, said in his closing remarks at Libby's trial that there was a "cloud" over Cheney's role in the case.


Fitzgerald told members of Congress who also sought the information that Cheney set no conditions about the use of his interview with investigators.


CREW argued that the public has a right to know the role that Cheney played in the leak and why he was not prosecuted.


A Cheney spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.


 


I hope Cheney will also be prosecuted about the Abu Ghraib torture case when Obama decides that the TIME IS RIGHT.


 


Hmmm, since Cheney is
perhaps Fitzgerald could use electrodes on Scooter (a grown man with that name should be a crime in itself..LOL), Rove and Cheney himself and see how he likes information extracted in this manner.
Agree 100%. Cheney is the
one of the masterminds of this adminstration.  As I said, but screwed up the post, that if they impeach Bush, they better darn well take Cheney out with him.  He is far more dangerous than Bush could ever hope to be, but will Cheney be called to task for his evildoings?  How in the United States of America did torture become a topic of conversation? Why has not anyone been called out on these things they have done in the guise of national security?  And what really gets me is that people are WILLING to give away their freedoms and rights to be safe.  So who are the cowards?  Also, and I have heard no one mention this, that after 9/11, Bush said we will not cower to the terrorists, not to change our way of life, our celebrations, to go about as we were, etc.   Hmmm, so instead, our rights and freedoms have been violated.  Now we have unauthorized NSA spies on our phone calls, emails, whatever else they want to peer into, and now the filthy Patriot Act is up, thank Goodness, but what's next?  Scary.
Yes, I was joking about Cheney. sm
I agree the bill is nuts. I can get you a link to that. It actually passed.
Cheney on warpath again?
This is a long article written by Dan Froomkin of The Washington Post, Apr. 11, 2008.


It goes to Cheney's warmongering concerning Iran (if such be the case), the difference of opinion on Iran (Gates and Rice v Cheney), clarification on the "wipe Israel off the map" comment, Cheney's recent visit to Israel, and much more. Page 5 goes into other topics; one of special interest being torture approved from the WH basement by Bush aides and Cheney.


Excellent article that covers recent comments being made by Cheney about Iran (you may recall he and Rumsfeld did the same prior to the fantisized reasons to invade Iraq).


I bring it for edification and perhaps for discussion.

Cheney deja vu all over again nm

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Maybe Cheney is a closet dem
He knows many people hate him, including me. He could be trying to lose McC's election since McC spoke out against Bush and Cheney.
D@ck Cheney was the man in the wheelchair
and wow I don't think booing is appropriate, D@ck Cheney doesn't get a free pass just because he is in a wheelchair.

Had to edit because I can't use the VP's first name
and Cheney was the bestest!!!!!

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You must remember, Cheney ain't your VP hon.....
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Yes, he was Cheney's Puppet
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Kind of like Cheney did...(sm)
Funny how he pops up all over the place now, but while in office all he could do was hide.
Furtherance of Cheney impeachment

House Judiciary Trio Calls for Impeach Cheney Hearings


by John Nichols


Three senior members of the House Judiciary Committee have called for the immediate opening of impeachment hearings for Vice President Richard Cheney.


Democrats Robert Wexler of Florida, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin on Friday distributed a statement, “A Case for Hearings,” that declares, “The issues at hand are too serious to ignore, including credible allegations of abuse of power that if proven may well constitute high crimes and misdemeanors under our constitution. The charges against Vice President Cheney relate to his deceptive actions leading up to the Iraq war, the revelation of the identity of a covert agent for political retaliation, and the illegal wiretapping of American citizens.”


In particular, the Judiciary Committee members cite the recent revelation by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan that the Vice President and his staff purposefully gave him false information about the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson as a covert agent as part of a White House campaign to discredit her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson. On the basis of McClellan’s statements, Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin say, “it is even more important for Congress to investigate what may have been an intentional obstruction of justice.” The three House members argue that, “Congress should call Mr. McClellan to testify about what he described as being asked to ‘unknowingly [pass] along false information.’”


Adding to the sense of urgency, the members note that “recent revelations have shown that the Administration including Vice President Cheney may have again manipulated and exaggerated evidence about weapons of mass destruction — this time about Iran’s nuclear capabilities.”


Although Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin are close to Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers, getting the Michigan Democrat to open hearings on impeachment will not necessarily be easy. Though Conyers was a leader in suggesting during the last Congress that both President Bush and Vice President Cheney had committed impeachable offenses, he has been under immense pressure from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, to keep Constitutional remedies for executive excesses “off the table” in this Congress.


It is notable, however, that Baldwin maintains warm relations with Pelosi and that Wexler, a veteran member of the Judiciary Committee has historically had an amiable and effective working relationship with Conyers. There is no question that Conyers, who voted to keep open the impeachment debate on November 7, has been looking for a way to explore the charges against Cheney. The move by three of his key allies on the committee may provide the chairman with the opening he seeks, although it is likely he will need to hear from more committee members before making any kind of break with Pelosi — or perhaps convincing her that holding hearings on Cheney’s high crimes and misdemeanors is different from putting a Bush impeachment move on the table.


The most important immediate development, however, is the assertion of an “ask” for supporters of impeachment. Pulled in many directions in recent months, campaigners for presidential and vice presidential accountability have focused their attention on supporting a House proposal by Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nod, to impeach Cheney. When Kucinich forced consideration of his resolution on November 7, Pelosi and her allies used procedural moves to get it sent to the Judiciary Committee for consideration. Pelosi’s hope was that the proposal would disappear into the committee’s files.


The call for hearings by Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin puts impeachment on the table, at least as far as activists are concerned, creating a pressure point that can serve as a reply when House Democrats who are critical of Bush but cautious about impeachment ask: “What do you want me to do?” The answer can now be: “Back the call for Judiciary Committee hearings on whether to impeach Cheney?”


“Some of us were in Congress during the impeachment hearings of President Clinton. We spent a year and a half listening to testimony about President Clinton’s personal relations. This must not be the model for impeachment inquires. A Democratic Congress can show that it takes its constitutional authority seriously and hold a sober investigation, which will stand in stark contrast to the kangaroo court convened by Republicans for President Clinton. In fact, the worst legacy of the Clinton impeachment - where the GOP pursued trumped up and insignificant allegations - would be that it discourages future Congresses from examining credible and significant allegations of a constitutional nature when they arise,” write Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin.


“The charges against Vice President Cheney are not personal,” the House members add. “They go to the core of the actions of this Administration, and deserve consideration in a way the Clinton scandal never did. The American people understand this, and a majority support hearings according to a November 13 poll by the American Research Group. In fact, 70 percent of voters say that Vice President Cheney has abused his powers and 43 percent say that he should be removed from office right now. The American people understand the magnitude of what has been done and what is at stake if we fail to act. It is time for Congress to catch up.”


Arguing that hearings need not distract Congress, Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin note that the focus is on Cheney for a reason: “These hearings involve the possible impeachment of the Vice President — not our commander in chief — and the resulting impact on the nation’s business and attention would be significantly less than the Clinton Presidential impeachment hearings.”


They also argue, correctly, that the hearings are necessary if Congress is to restore its position in the Constitutionally-defined system of checks and balances.


“Holding hearings would put the evidence on the table, and the evidence — not politics — should determine the outcome,” the Judiciary Committee members explain. “Even if the hearings do not lead to removal from office, putting these grievous abuses on the record is important for the sake of history. For an Administration that has consistently skirted the constitution and asserted that it is above the law, it is imperative for Congress to make clear that we do not accept this dangerous precedent. Our Founding Fathers provided Congress the power of impeachment for just this reason, and we must now at least consider using it.



 


Many Say War Not Worth It; Cheney: 'So?'
Did you see Cheney on the ABC News tonight? You should have seen his smirky grin when he told her "so." He doesn't care what the country thinks about the war.

"On the security front, I think there's a general consensus that we've made major progress, that the surge has worked. That's been a major success," Cheney told ABC News' Martha Raddatz.

When asked about how that jibes with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it, Cheney replied, "So?"

"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.

Cheney has never been known as a "caring" person

Why should he care?  He's leaving office soon and none of his family or friends were at risk over there.  He and most of his cronies all were successful in shirking military service.  And he won't be around to pay the bill for this war -- our children and grandchildren are the ones who will pay in the long run if it doesn't financially ruin this country before then.


I'm sure he thought he and a few others would benefit in $$$ from this invasion, and I'm sure some folks did (like Halliburton) but instead it has backfired.  Recent news shows that the war has ultimately destabilized the flow of oil and our relations with the countries that provide our oil.  Plus the Iraqi pipeline has never gotten back to even pre-war levels.


Cheney and Gonzales indicted? sm
Applauding this one. Link below.

http://www.krgv.com/2008/11/18/1001457/Guerra-Indicts
Cheney spent SIX TIMES MORE on...

...entertainment than Bush????


Well, maybe that makes sense.  He does seem like someone who is pretty difficult to entertain.


Cheney spent SIX TIMES MORE on...

...entertainment than Bush????


Well, maybe that makes sense.  As I remember his snarling face, he did seem like someone who is pretty difficult to entertain.


Well, did Cheney give you a boo boo face too?
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Obama is Cheney's puppet??! WOW!
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Is Cheney your president? Why are you stuck
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Unlike the Cheney Tool that was our
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All this said, I agree with you that Cheney, Rumsfeld
and Bush should be punished for what they did. Guards in Abu Ghraib who followed orders were put on trial and imprisoned.

Torture is never justified and brings often useless, coerced confessions and devastating revenge.

“Those subjected to physical torture usually conceive undying hatred for their torturers.” One must therefore also consider the greater likelihood that American civilians (here or especially abroad) and American troops overseas will be subject to torture (or terror) by aggrieved enemies.'

Halliburton=Cheney=benefiting from war/terrorism
Check it out, lots and lots and lots written about it.  Draw your own conclusions.