You make an important observation.
Posted By: sm on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Are you sure your are not confusing arrogance with intelligence and sm - oldtimer
The "arrogance" and "elite" accusations are tactics used ad nauseum in the absence of direct debate on issues, when trying to avoid confronting talking points that have been raised and when trying to run from fact and valid observations/opinions. Usually these accusations are made by folks whose own fund of knowledge is limited on the issues at hand and who are not inspired to research to broaden their own fact base in rebuttal.
This is when the accusations surface and attitudes are substituted for intelligent discourse. You are right. The confusion you describe and accusations of this nature are typically leveled against Obama, who does display confidence, intelligence, substance and ability to lead, which unnerves his detractors and send them into fits and tantrums.
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Oh and an observation. sm
Your a hoarder, aren't you? You are one of those awful people who stores perceived bad things about people and then they cross you BAM!!!! It all just comes vomiting out. Yes, I know that you are and it's obvious by your posts. You are hit-below-the-belt kinda gal. Any weapon in your arsenal, even when you are wrong and have been proven wrong, that stuff is just burned into your brain and even a hate-filled screed doesn't get it out. Not a pretty picture.
Observation....(sm)
I would agree that Obama is a pop culture thing. However, if you sit back and look at it you will see why. The younger generation typically gets it's news from shows like Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, etc. All of these are slanted to the left. The Obama campaing used the internet very successfully as well to reach the younger generation. The republican party has done nothing like this to reach the younger voter. Why? If I were a young person I would look at it like, well, I guess the republican party doesn't want to take time out to actually reach us, so he must not have our interests at heart.
This is also mirrored in the not-so-young group. Obama was everywhere including, again, the internet, predominantly black churches, labor unions...the list goes on. His campaign was inclusive of many. He also had the benefit of more money which allowed for more visibility through commercials.
The McCain camp on the other hand went for predominantly white churches, less commercials, and very little internet. I'm sure there are more than this, but I personally did not see any, and I live in TN (if you can believe that)...LOL
I think if you look at both sides you will see people just spewing out what they've heard in commercials or in speeches. Not everyone watches cable news like most of us do.
The funny thing to me is that America voted in an African-American citizen with one parent from Africa, who admittedly not only smoked marijuana but also inhaled because *that was the point.* ROFL. I think it's obvious that the majority of people in this country want change. They may not know what that change is, but they do know that what is happening now is not working.
Just an observation..sm
I do not consider myself strictly republican or democrat. I always vote according to the issues, not the party. Forty or 50 years ago it seemed that the working class folks were democrat and the upper class folks were republican. There were not as many social issues involved in politics. I was just a little kid back then, but I recall my father being a "democrat". Jumping ahead to now, there are a lot of older folks in my area, especially rural areas, that don't look at issues at all, don't even know what the candidates support, but by golly, they are voting democrat all the way.
Just an observation...(sm)
The group "2 Million For Marriage" would like you to call them "2M4M." Do these people not look up anything? ROFL.
Just an observation here,
but wasn't he sworn in on a bible, and not a koran? I think he just did not want photographs living on and on with him standing in front of a cross. (Just in case he wants to hedge his bets.)
Just an observation...sm
I am not republican or democrat...I make my voting choices based on issues. I would just like to make an observation here. Maybe I haven't paid really close attention to political stuff in the past, but I don't know that I have ever seen this Country more split that it is right now. I have never seen or heard such irresponsible, selfish and disrespectful actions from Congress as they have done in the last year or so. It seems that no one, and I mean NO ONE, in Washington cares about the future of the United States, only about themselves or certain groups who they think can give them something. I'm not trying to start any arguing back and forth. I just needed to say this.
Just another quick observation...
when Clinton came to OKC after the Murrah bombing, even though he is not anywhere on my list of favorite people, I was happy that he came and represented the office and spoke to we Oklahomans. It was moving and I was very, very happy that he came. What I did NOT do, and what NO conservative I was aware of did, was complain that why did he come there and NOT go to the funerals of those soldiers who were killed and their bodies dragged behind Jeeps in Somalia. Why, you ask? Because the two had absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. And to try to make political hay out of what happened at Virginia Tech is immature, thoughtless, and another hurt to add to those poor folks in VA trying to deal with this. War is awful, hateful, and NOBODY wants it; however, death has always been associated with war. However, going to your class innocently on any April day and having a lunatic come in and shoot 32 of you is FAR different. And if you really cannot see the difference and the emotional effect, not just you but a great many on the left, need to really sit down and examine your values. Seriously.
Just an Observation, Observer.....
Approximately 65% of the posts on this board are made by you. I have read some of your posts, and in one of them you state that you come here, as a conservative, mainly to read and learn. Are you certain that this is, in fact, your main purpose for coming here? It would seem from the sheer number of your posts, well over 50% of them being made by you here, that your purpose is not to read and learn, but rather to dominate and monopolize. Just an observation....
A Realist's Observation...
Got this email this morning...
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first SIX, with a conservative majority, the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%, the lowest in decades.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high—peaked over 14,000
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and we got 'CHANGE'.
In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline is went over $4 a gallon & STILL unstable!;
3) Unemployment is up over 5.5%;
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) And THE DOW is probing another low~~$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS has evaporated from their stocks, bonds, and mutual fund investment portfolios.
Let’s not forget, the President has little control over any of these issues…ONLY CONGRESS.
And what has Congress done in the last two years?.....NOTHING!
NOW the candidates CLAIM they are going to really give us change…along with this same democratic Congress????
I don’t think we can stand much more 'CHANGE' like this….
What's y'alls' take on it...??
Excellent observation
Truth is truth and facts are facts. No matter how much you hate someone and think their dummer than a rock, you can't put the blame all on him. Everytime the democrats get into office the economy goes down the tubes. The facts are that the congress votes on issues (not George Bush).
Love the observation. Thanks.
I'm just making an observation (sm)
If there are any FACTS (and I'm not talking about an interpretation) relevant to this election from pubs on here, please feel free to point them out. I am honestly trying to understand why people would vote for McCain.
Great observation
I haven't thought of that aspect of all this hoopla and flash that has accompanied this whole election/inauguration. I'm not worried as much about him as I am his snooty, snobbish, holier than thou wife! She already has a goddess complex, I sure hate to see what all this is going to do to her. Seriously, can she get her nose any higher? Looking down on people like she's so above them, makes me sick.
You certainly have that one right - good observation
If only more people would realize this.
Good observation
You said it. It's sad to see that it's not balanced anymore and people don't want to hear the truth. My MIL thrives on bashing the republicans and the conservative shows. She listens to the way way left and all she can do is gloat about Obama winning and how perfect and handsome he is and she'll actually come out and state what she wants to happen to anyone who is a republican. The same thing she's screaming about if it happened to Obama but its okay if it happens to a republican. It's just very sad that this is what our country has turned into. - Zero tolerance for anyone who has a different viewpoint.
You are deifinitely right about the liberal rigging the game.
It was just an obvious observation.....
nm
An astute observation!! look it up!!!!
xx
Not to get a fight started...just an observation...
that little twinge is probably be the Holy Spirit and you would be well served to maybe listen to it....? Or perhaps you think not listening to the twinge in favor of listening to John Edwards is the better path.
God bless!
Attack versus observation
So if someone called me a big, fat, smelly, ugly, loud-mouthed, foul hag that could qualify as an observation (in your words) and would therefore be acceptable? I mean, technically someone could say they OBSERVED these traits in me. When does something cross the line and become a personal attack?
My take on all this is that if it originates from one of the C-posters it's an observation. If it originates from an L-poster it's an attack. Not always, but in general. Could be due to the whole political board system have a very very far right-leaning slant........
Merely an observation. I'll pass on this and
Sam is hateful because sam is hateful. Her posts speak for themselves.
Don't go there - I made that observation last week
and got shredded apart for it. I thought it was freaky, but all the super-dems took major offense to it. It was just an observation on my part.
This observation is made by a Canadian MT.
Go Obama! Hilliary in 2012. The world is watching and the world says VOTE OBAMA.
Intelligence offends you? Just an observation.
Oh oh, another big word....
Excellent post and observation
You saw the same thing I did too. The Queen would never be so low class to point out one's error in front of others. MO should not have put her hand on the Queen's back, shoulder or touched her anywhere. She should have shook her hand and that was it.
I made a general observation relative to the post.
nm
NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less
If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)
That's right, Bush is still alive and well. Check this out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676
Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
nm
So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
Seems pretty important to me
Well, if his trustee is saying Frist was updated regularly on his blind trust, I kind of think that is something. It is a formal investigatinn by the SEC. I kind of think that is something.
Yeah, you wish you were important enough
for somebody to be spying on you....does your paranoia know no bounds? 
BUt that's the most important thing to me....
Unfortunately not all news sources are created equal and unbiased.
As far as things changing over time.....it seems that things have to change as new information is brought to light. Ask Colin Powell. We have to adapt and change with this new information.
Can't find your quote from Russert to Cheney anywhere on the internet.
As far as Tenet's slam-dunk comment, the people at that meeting were Bush, Cheney, and CIA-director John McLaughlin.....oh, and you. Couldn't find any female names mentioned in that meeting, however.
As far as the 747 fuselage in the desert....could only find a handful of references to it on the whole internet and none were compelling and again, most were from far right wing publications.
I feel a story is only as truthful as its source and sometimes the truthfulness of a story can never be completely determined. You say the source doesn't matter, I say it is EVERYTHING. Reflect upon North Korea today, former communist Russia and China even today....all highly censored government news sources. Those folks will never get the real story and heaven knows it's hard enough to get it in a free country like the US.
much too important to go unread
brought up from below.
It's long been a safe assumption that U.S. troops generally vote Republican. And with Vietnam war hero John McCain leading the GOP presidential ticket, many pundits expect the military to favor the Republicans with their wallets, too. But so far, Barack Obama appears to be leading his rival by a 6-to-1 margin in campaign contributions from deployed troops. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that Obama has collected just over $60,000 from deployed troops compared to McCain's $10,000 in figures up to June 30.
More importantly, why is it so important to YOU
What are you so afraid is going to happen if some of us don't?
Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
You actually think it is more important for Obama...
to keep campaigning than to go back to Washington and do his job as a United States Senator which he, by the way, still is and we are paying him for? Pullezzzeeee.
Did I miss something important? AS is a pub gov
He ran under the pub ticket and was elected by Californian pubs and other star-struck Californians. Do you disagree with the idea that repulicans come in different flavors or should I be translating you message from Christian right-wing fringe-speak to mean roughly "my way or the highway" on what it means to be a REAL republican?
The most important issue.....
this election is freedom. On November fourth we will determine which path our government will take, liberty or Marxism. I will choose liberty.
McCain/Palin 2008 
I guess I consider it to be more important
to be well read and informed on the important issues rather than worrying about some trivial little geek-speak that you seem so well versed in. Congratulations, you win the petty award of the day!!
Believe it or not, the appearance is also very important..
IN ADDITION to his fabulous qualifications.
I recommend you to log off and take a rest.
Thank you! There are so many actual important
issues to be discussing rather than wasting time on their silly fairy tale while the economy crumbles.
Why do you just ignore the important
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
NOTHING is more important from a president than
NM
What's more important than the most vulnerable........
nm
The important question here is..
You are rude and condescending. I hope it gives you back some little feeling of power that is obviously missing in your "real" life. I pity you.
I'm going with -- because they have more important things to do (nm)
I guess I think it's important to know his history.
In my case, that means a lot to me, even when people say things I agree with. Besides, a famous man once said A litany of complaints is not a plan. I believe most Americans want us out of Iraq. I don't believe a precipitous withdrawal will be to the benefit of anyone. None of us wants to see those men (not boys, as Phil says. That's an insult to these men and women who are all enlisted voluntarily.) and women harmed. The idealouge is definitely diametrically opposed. Some mouthpieces are just better to hear it from than Phil Donahue. As Bernard Goldberg said of Phil in 100 People Who are Screwing up America, Phil Donahue made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought. His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist). Bernard says in his book that his show was so fresh that no one stopped to realize how far, even for a liberal, his ideas were from the mainstream. But mainly what he did, in show after show, year after year, was give tremendous exposure, and his own strong support, to the forces challenging traditional beliefs and behavior. Phil was the champion of the it's not your fault, blame society way of thinking. His shows centered around this way of thinking. His virulent hatred for authority extended to anyone in positions of authority, including police, for whom he had an especial loathing. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.
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