last I knew there was nothing about the president not being able to smoke...
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-10-31
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I'm for it. And I don't even smoke it myself.
I'm probably the only person I know in the world who doesn't smoke it sometimes. And if it helps to restore a sick person's appetite, or helps ease another's pain, why not? Legalizing it would take all the profits out of it for those who are growing it illegally.
And no, I don't think people should overdo it (like they do with alcohol, which society seems to condone, no matter how many people it kills on our highways every year.) I once rode with a friend in her car when she was just slightly high, and nope. She shouldn't have been driving. Couldn't keep her car centered in her own lane. (Next time we took MY car, and I drove, instead.)
I also notice that MJ doesn't make people MEAN, the way booze does.
My aging mother says if she has pain in her later years, she wants to smoke marijuana rather than be doped-up on morphine. If she does, then I think she should be able to do that. I actually wish she'd start smoking it now, because she doesn't eat very well anymore.
There is no smoke. There is only hot air...
...and blatant lies. For anyone who is tempted to believe this garbage, please visit the following site.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
SMOKE-&-MIRRORS.
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Smoke and mirrors. Thanks but no thanks on that
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Where there is smoke there is fire!!
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More smoke and mirrors and much ado about nothing
My first clue that this may be a red herring that merits further investigation was that I could not find information on this piece anywhere except conservative websites and blogs. I also had difficulty locating the text of Newt's so-called "Fairness Rules", which my gut told me was an oxymoron, the mention of Newt and fairness in the same breath.
The key phrase in this piece is found in paragraph 3, lines 4 and 5:
"...bar Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or even the guarantee of open debate ACCESSIBLE BY MOTIONS TO RECOMMIT for any piece of legislation."
It is worthwhile to note that this phrase only appears once, embedded in a storm cloud of protest, fore and aft, and for good reason. There is method to this madness.
Motions to recommit occur at the final stage of bill passage. I have reviewed the text of the Contract On America, err, I mean Contract With America and the scope of its measures did not address the ENTIRE legislative process, as they are trying to suggest here.
I'm not that good at nutshell summaries. Instead, I have tried to present the ENTIRE picture below to clarify exactly what part of the process Pelosi's so-called "erasure" would affect. So much for the assertion that Pelosi is propsing to do away with the democratic process as we know it.
http://www.house.gov/house/Tying_it_all.shtml
Legislative Prcess
A bill is introduced and referred to committee. Any member of the House can introduce a bill at any time, meaning if the pubs don't like what they get out of one bill, they can pen their own as a counter-measure. The bill is then assigned a number, printed in its introduced form and a bill summary appears on the Bill Status Today schedule.
It is then referred to all appropriate committees where it is scheduled for public debate and markup. Notices as such are posted. Transcript of the testimony taken in the hearings is made available in the committee offices as well as printed and distributed by the committee.
Markup occurs after the hearings where amendments are proposed, considered and voted on. This can happen either at subcommittee or committee levels, all of which are subject to due process of notice, available to ALL interested parties.
The committee then votes on the action to be taken. It can be "reported" either with or without amendment or tabled. Sometimes new bills are written if extensive amendments have to be added, resulting in a "clean bill" which is assigned a new number. A committee report is issued summarizing the purpose and scope of the bill and the reasons it is being recommended for approval.
It then goes to the House floor for FULL CONSIDERATION. This process is governed by a "rule," a simple resolution that MUST BE PASSED by the house that sets out the particulars of how much time will allowed for debate, whether amendments can be offered, and other matters. Debate is divided between proponents and opponents. Amendments are offered, debated and voted upon, summarized on a daily basis and posted.
http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/recommit_mot.htm
Motion to recommit
Following this, the bill is ready for a vote on final passage. IT IS AT THE POINT IN TIME WHERE, in some cases, A VOTE TO "RECOMMIT" the bill to committee is requested, also known as a THIRD read. This is usually an effort by opponents to change some portion or table the measure. If the attempt to recommit fails, a vote on final passage is ordered.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.toc.html
How Our Bills Are Made...for further details on this process.
and you can smoke your reefer in peace
No smoke, no fire, only mirrors. LOL!
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Obama Tax Promises Up In Smoke
Obama plainly, clearly, and unequivocally promised "not one dime" of tax increase on the workers of America.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1
...and the point here is NOT whether you smoke or not. Even if you think that forcing the poor to quit smoking is a beneficial thing, the questions are:
1. Should Obama be held to his tax promises or not?
2. If he can raise these taxes, by what stretch of the imagination do you believe other increases will not follow?
3. Should the government use the power of taxation to enforce policies that it happens to think are beneficial? If you think so, how about taxing the next package of hamburger you buy a couple of bucks a pound unless it has less than 14% fat? And your next loaf of bread a buck or two unless it has 0% transfat? Or the next dozen eggs maybe five bucks for the cholesterol? After all, far more people in this country are obese than smoke.
If I were President, I'd hit every parent with a $10 per day tax if their kids forget to brush their teeth before going to bed (and I'd send jack-booted bed-tooth-inspectors to every house, too!). Now that would raise some serious coin, and improve the nation's dental health. Vote for me.
Politics is all smoke and mirrors.
It's all about what you can make people think they can see, not what's really there.
How I wish that sneaking a smoke was all Obama was hiding...lol....sm
...by the way, I did use my name....my initials actually, as I always do. I admit, I think once I got dyslexic and typed "sm" instead of "ms" ....but there you have it....
Ah well....time will show what he's really like. The one extreme case of poor judgment I'm seeing from Obama is his AG pick... I'm really worried about this Eric Holder.....heaven help us if he refuses again to examine someone's laptop, and permits evidence to go by unnoticed and causes another 9/11....that's my greatest fear at the moment....aside from several others, which shall remain nameless. I have better things to do...like sleep....at the moment....night GP
Obama couldn't do that........ he loves to smoke!!!
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My dad died of lung ca. from 2nd-hand smoke. I hope
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If customary deference to a sitting president by president elect
for the rest of us who understand such concepts as respect and traditional protocol, it would qualify as a darned good reason.
Smoke and mirrors? It's math. Like, second grade math.
I don't understand your attack.
A little addition, a little subtraction, a tiny bit of multiplication. It's not all that hard to understand.
If you have questions, ask them. Unless you just don't want to hear the answer. In that case, I can't help you.
I always knew I would NOT
vote for Obama. Now that Palin is McCain's running mate.....I feel more confident than ever that I made the right decision when I chose to vote for McCain......even if McCain is really really really old. ; - )
McCain and Palin ང 
I knew you would be one of the few to...
...understand this post, without tossing in all these other issues again into the mix.
I can hardly wait to see her mix it up with them either!
yes! I knew it!
They won't let her off the leash to speak without a written statement in front of her. Hope people take notice and realize what this means. Pat Buchanan yesterday said she was under no obligation to ever give an interview. Isn't that unbelievable??
Gee I wish I knew as much as you do.
Most of this I already knew......sm
but some I did not. America, collectively speaking, bought it hook, line and sinker. One can only "hope" that the "change" will be for something they really "believe" in. I fear it is not and it is too late to stop the well-oiled wheel of fate from turning.
Obama was manufactured for this job by his puppeteers and now they are ready to put on the show. Those who think something simple like his birth certificate will make a differece are as deluded as the sheeple are. We, the people, have been duped on all fronts and now it is time to sit down and obediently watch the puppet show called "The Revelation." Hurry quick for a front-row seat! 
Wish I knew!
Pubs don't really seem to have one, which is really disappointing. There are quiet a few out there that make a lot of noise, but I don't really see any of them walking the walk, you know?
And I'm really disappointed in Michael Steele and his apology. I thought at least he'd have a backbone - it's okay not to agree with Rush and it's okay to say it out loud - sheesh!
I knew nothing about it at all until that very day
I did not know what it was about, nothing and I turned onto the bigger channels to see what was happening. I left the house and heard some local radio news saying not much traffic in Atlanta pertaining to that. I just surmized the tea party referenced the Boston tea party relating to taxes but there was not much coverage at all that I saw.
Yes, I knew....
It was just one of those automatic MT things that made me laugh. I have to really concentrate to type the word milk since it invariably comes out mild.
It blows the lid off what we already knew. sm
Their Bush hatred is so virulent, it wipes out all reasoning and blackens their souls. They have no compassion for the people in the south, only gleeful that they have once again been given a reason to hate Bush. No matter how misguided that hatred and blame is.
gt it would go a lot better for you if you actually knew what you were talking about. sm
instead of pulling stuff off PETA's website. You don't know Kyoto. Just admit it. You don't know it and you are pretending to know it and you are just looking silly.
Knew what you meant
Isn't it awful when your own relatives treat you like dirt. My sister is mormon and she actually thinks I'm on the same level with manson, dahmer, hitler, etc because I'm not mormon (we both grew up going to methodist services with 12 years of sunday school). Inlaws treated us like garbage cos we didn't go to their church when we lived near them. I am a deeply spiritual person but I am not a Christian and I count myself blessed not to be in their crowd.
I knew it had been filed....
so now they have been served? Out of curiousity, if he was proven ineligible and had to withdraw...what happens then? Another primary or what? Has that ever happened before? Where a nominee had to withdraw before the election? Does the party just pick another person and that person pick another VP?
i knew what you meant
I took no offense, but I do get a little sensitive as I would have loved to have some children when I was younger (but then I look at the Menendez brothers and my own nephew and say - what a relief- smart decision for me) HA HA. I did understand your post as you intended it that if man and woman don't unite there is no offspring, but I was just saying I believe that we can all live together. Man and woman can off their offspring they want and the others who wish to pursue an alternative way just won't have kids. I'd rather be with someone of my own gender and be truly and blissfully in love and married to her and not have any kids, rather than have kids and be married to a miserable person just because he's the other sex.
How do you fix corruption??? They knew what
His own spokesperson said they have "amended" the papers to read ..... in other words, we will admit the money was given SPECIFICALLY to hire more workers to go out and do whatever necessary to get more votes for Obama, even if through illegal means.
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in “get-out-the-vote” projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
I knew what you meant as well.
Just like if McCain had chosen Powell. The dems would be in an uproar because they would say he picked him because he was black, not because he has great values, experience, etc.
Oh wait, they already did that with somebody else...
I do have a grip. If she knew about them, she would have
tried to clean them up. It is her community, after all, and she has children growing up there.
Are you implying something more sinister here? If so, please provide referenced links with proof.
Do you think they knew the U.S. has only 50 states, too?nm
I'm sure a lot of us knew a recession
was coming long before the "experts" knew it. All they had to do was to be Americans who were trying to fill up their gas tanks, feed their families and try to hang on to their jobs. I just read an article the other day where someone in the government finally admitted that we've been in a recession that they believe will last another 14 months. (Can't remember who said it; will try to find the link.) This is after months and months of denials, although most everday folks felt like they were in a recession long before hearing it "officially."
If they are only now admitting to a recession, that tells me that we're in the beginnings of a full-fledged DEPRESSION.
Add terror threats, a war between Iran and Israel and the USA, perhaps provoking a terror attack (real or "false flag"), people becoming so poor in this country that their fear is replaced with anger, and voila!! The US soldiers that are lying in wait for us to "misbehave" as tensions arise so they can keep us in line, just might have their work cut out for them...especially if we suffer another attack on our soil.
We've got crooks running the Treasury Department, all chosen from the same failing companies for which they worked.
The Wall Street "crisis" came on so quickly and so urgently that nobody knew what to do.
Well, Bush knew what to do. First, he hired Henry Paulson of Goldman Sachs fame, the company that received a $3 billion payout, who then went on to appoint Michael Alix to "oversee things." This is the same Michael Alix who was in control of "overseeing things" at Bear Stearns (we remember how well that whole Bear Stearns thing worked out.) Paulson then went on to appoint Neel Kashkari (another Goldman Sachs graduate).
Bush has selected these men, either personally or through Paulson, because he knows that THEY know how to play the system and accentuate the greed. He hired people who aren't on America's side at all. They're part of Bush's "Haves," and the rest of average Americans -- the "have nots" -- aren't even in the picture, except as it pertains to how much money has been stolen from our accounts. Bush has always has been about greed. He still is. When a government begins to buy banks, it's at the very least socialism (if not, more accurately, fascism). For all intents and purposes, this money could easily be in Bush's pockets. We don't and won't know this because this particular sweetheart deal came with NO oversight and NO transparency as conditions on the part of Bush. By the way, Bush bought a ranch in Paraguay.
Basically, Bush had a lot of knowledgeable, independent people who had NO conflict of interest from having been senior executives of the failed companies from which he could have chosen.
Instead, he chose those who were at the very top to the crooks (if not the crooks themselves.)
In short, Bush hired the foxes to watch the hen houses. No doubt in my mind that Bush's pockets are going to be pretty full soon if they're not already.
The arrogance with which these auto executives presented their testimony is reminiscent of all the arrogant people who surround themselves with the Arrogant-In-Chief.
In the middle of all this, though, I do see somewhat of a silver lining. The less money people have to spend, the lower prices will be forced to go -- all that supply and demand stuff.
Enter Obama's "bottom-up" theory. Once the lives of the least of us can improve a bit, that will hopefully trickle up to everyone else.
I also heard an excellent idea on TV recently: That every single CEO of a company should NEVER earn more than the President of the United States. I kind of liked that one. 
P.S. I apologize if this post doesn't make any sense. I'm very heavily medicated right now and probably shouldn't even be at the computer. I've tried to write this as coherently as I could. If I failed, I apologize.
Hope you all have a great evening.
JTBB - I knew you'd try this
That is why I said that are many more websites than just what I listed. You can say all you want and try to reason that your viewpoints and your opinions are truthful while the others aren't, but in actuality they all are like Hitler. The actions of what Obama has done so far are like Hitler's whether you like to hear it or not.
Clinton knew
who had information about Bin Laden before 9-11 and did nothing? Oh yeah, President Clinton, another Democrat who chose to do nothing...Bush was less than 9 months into his first term when 9-11 happened.
That was the first I knew about Murtha except
before the election.
I agree with your statement on the others. I think Pelosi is too pushy and I wonder why she is in such a hurry to pass all O's stuff so quick. I often wonder what kind of background she has.
I watched a program the other night (don't ask who, I'm always flipping channels) and they had a perfect answer for where Gitmo prisoners should go....to Alcatraz, right in Pelosi's backyard and she can then look through those viewers that look out over the bay and watch the prisoners herself. I thought it was hillarious.
I knew it! (see post above somewhere)
Tell us what that lifestyle is like. Do you guys actually do the horizontal bop with your animal-suits on?
I knew you sucked...
after reading your posts on other boards. Hope your new job sucks as much as you do.
If Americans Knew..................sm
Copioed from the wesite
'If Americans Knew'
Last Updated July 9, 2008
In the late 1800s a small, fanatic movement called “political Zionism” began in Europe. Its goal was to create a Jewish state somewhere in the world. Its leaders settled on the ancient and long-inhabited land of Palestine for the location of this state.
Over the coming decades Zionist leaders used various strategies to accomplish their goal of taking over Palestine.
This growing violence culminated in Israel's ruthless 1947-49 "War of Independence," in which at least 750,000 Palestinian men, women, and children were expelled from their homes – half of them even before any Arab armies joined the war. At every point in this war, Zionist forces outnumbered Arab forces. This massive humanitarian disaster is known among Palestinians and others as ‘The Catastrophe,’ AL Nakba in Arabic.
Zionist forces committed at least 33 massacres and destroyed 531 Palestinian villages and towns.
This was the historical creation of the state of Israel and this is the truth, no proaganda.
This is History.
You can read the whole article on the website
If Americans knew.com
I knew there was a reason I can't stand him.
His office *knew* (tired) ...nm
I knew it was not you who posted the second time...
and I was responding to that poster. My description is not a tad overstated, and if it suits you to believe that the baby is not alive and does not feel pain, so be it. Dilatation and curettage is dilating a uterus and cutting the baby to ribbons. That is not overstated. You should view a film of one. Partial birth abortion is gruesome and horrible. I did overstate it. There is no nice clean unpainful way to abort a child. No need to be condescending, either, but that is not unexpected.
The medical community may refer to miscarriage as abortion, that is semantics. You and I both know that a spontaneous abortion has nothing to do with human intervention. D&C, partial birth abortion, those require human intervention. Not even remotely the same thing; we both know that. As to the medical community...why does the medical community do surgery in utero....why would they do surgery on something dead? That makes absolutely no sense. The below is taken from an article about a procedure performed on a 30-week baby:
On Nov. 7, a team of specialists -- cardiologists from Children's and high-risk obstetrical specialists from Brigham and Women's Hospital -- used ultrasound imaging to guide a catheter through Angela VanDerwerken's abdomen and uterus into the heart of the 30-week-old fetus, a 1 1/2 -hour operation.
A fine needle, followed by a wire with a preloaded balloon, was pushed into the left atrium and then through the atrial septum to reduce the pressure that was causing the atrium to expand with blocked blood. The balloon was inflated until the atrial wall widened. Then the same process was used to create a second hole in the septum, only this time, a tiny stent was put in place.
Cheers rang through the operating room when heart monitors showed blood flowing through the stent. But doctors would not know how successful they'd been until Grace was born by vaginal delivery Jan. 10.
Jay VanDerwerken of Ashburn, next to wife Angela, embraces their daughter Grace during a news conference at Children's Hospital Boston. (By Josh Reynolds -- Associated Press)
The medical community proves what a lot of us already morally know, that the child in utero is alive. How does a heart beat and pump blood in something not alive?
You are right, I would choose not to have an abortion. You can also rest assured I will not stop calling it what it is, either, and that is murder. You want a woman's right to choose, but you do not want to allow me to have an opinion because it does not agree with yours. Right now the law permits abortion on demand (thanks to activist judges who took the right away from individual states and people to vote on the matter) and my faith also tells me I must obey the law of the land. But my faith does not tell me I should not continue to call what is wrong, wrong. As one poster so aptly put it, just because it is legal does not make it right. I am not telling you or anyone else whether or not to have an abortion. What I am telling you is that I believe to choose abortion is wrong, and I believe that any time a society starts to devalue life it sets the stage for moral decline and sets the stage for many worse things to come. History has proven that, time and time again.
I knew an MT who did just that - died at her desk.
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I knew about birth control.
However, was I willing to go to my mom and ask her to put me on the pill. I knew my mother would have suspected my sexual activity and I didn't want her to know. Most teens also have the belief that "it won't happen to me." Now that I'm older, I see how some of the decisions I made back when I was 17 were poor ones, but at that time I thought they were great ideas. Do I blame my mom and dad for the bad decisions I made back then....no. Those were my decisions, my choices, and I had to deal with the consequences.
So, if you knew someone that could build you a home
you wouldn't like that? You're so full of crap!
Of course you would. If I knew a contractor that could help me build a house for less, charge me less and still get the job done, you darn tootin I would.
Stop acting so self-righteous.
Even I got better sense than that. I'm a DEMOCRAT who would love to know someone to help me cut corners to build a nice new home.
Everyone here knew you were voting Obama
Your phony posts have been full of crap from day one.
Every single post you've made here has bashed Republicans and praised that spider monkey obama.
Perhaps MTs who can't find a job STINK AT THEIR JOBS!!!! If you don't have work, do't blame the Republicans. Get some education and fix the problem yourself.
Stop beggining big government to fix your own shortcomings!!!!!
Thank you, sbMT. I knew the verse was in there
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this is an open board last I knew
and there is no reason to put down a person for posting what you do not approve of.
Hey JTBB - knew I could count on you LOL
As I posted I knew exactly who would be trying to cut down the articles. Glad to see you didn't let me down. HA HA HA. At least though there will be people with open minds who will read it.
The rest of you I think need to give all yourselved a big group hug and high five. It must feel good to you all to cut down and insult people that don't think the way you do.
But wait...you can always just stay tuned to MSNBC for all your tabloid shows you like to consider "real" news. It looks like Matthews and Olberman have taken over almost every show there while they spew their hateful viewpoints.
Yep, I knew it would go from slamming her kids to
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Yeah. They knew it was going to happen
Sen. Schumer from NY knew last January. So you know he told all his buddies. I posted a link about it yesterday.
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