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oh, pullllllllleeeze save Poor Drug Companies spiel.

Posted By: As far as answering questions, on 2005-07-09
In Reply to: Vaccines - vs

you didn't answer mine.  Where did you hear that the U.S. doesn't make vaccines?  Or is it merely more conservative fiction?  Because it's simply not true.


You're talking about all this as if it's a leisurely endeavor that isn't time sensitive.  I'm talking about protecting my family and your family from a potential bio terror attack using smallpox.


And you're right.  No response is necessary at all because you haven't said anything worthy of one.




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    Drug companies
    Why is it that other countries have American made medications so much cheaper than America.  The argument has been well we pay the extra amount so drug companies can do research.  Why us?  We are expected to pay more for medications and also health benefits when other countries have universal healthcare and lower drug costs.  It isnt right that Americans foot the bill for the world to enjoy the medications we produce at less cost than us.  It isnt right that Americans have to go bankrupt when faced with a major illness because either their healthcare is inadequate or they dont have healthcare.  If this administration really cared about what Americans need most, they wouldnt be talking about Social Security, they would be devising a universal health plan for all Americans.  Some say that would be socialized medicine.  Heck, when you dont have any health coverage, socialized medicine is better than nothing.
    Lobbying for big drug companies....oh my!

    http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/08/24/hunter-biden-lobbyist-for-big-pharma/


    the drug companies that fund the research for new drugs
    really don't have all that much time to make money on the drugs before generics are allowed. Do you think generic companies are going to start contributing to research? For all those people who gripe about the drug companies, I would like to see the day come when the drug companies aren't willing to spend another dime on the research. The gov can pay for all the research then. They still pay for the meds, and it might be more, factoring in the waste for the gov being involved.
    poor black men in jail for drug crimes while his wife steals from a medical charity. nm
    nm
    Ya, thats usually sam's little spiel.
    n/m
    Poor, poor MT. She can't pick a fight with anyone on her own board tonight and must come here to

    Poor Poor Rush. Hey, how is AIR AMERICA
    nm
    Poor, poor Obama......sm
    and I bet you don't think that huge press conference, surrounded by the adoring media masses, pandering to poor me (O) being taken advantage of....you don't believe that was political grandstanding?


    Tsk tsk.






    Only the lie about not being a drug abuser...
    Rush is a fake, a phony, a hypocrite ("do as I say, not as I do").

    It is not the Dems who are giving him any "power" it is the poor, misguided Republicans who look up to this misguided human being.

    We dems are merely entertained.....
    Unbelievable! Drug dealers (sm)

    There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !


    Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.


    Don't forget that he is a drug addict, too.
    Limbaugh was and probably still is an oxycodone addict.
    Yeah, In a drug stupor. Why would anyone
    He is the biggest hypocrite ever. His mudslinging is just to take the focus off of his own hypocrisy.
    The difference is in the drug effects...(sm)

    Cocain, heroin, meth -- all extremely addictive and oftentimes turns into a desperate situation for users, often leading to crime.


    Marijuana -- Sales for Fruit Loops go up. 


    Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
    There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"

    http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
    "...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.

    Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.

    Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.

    Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.

    So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.

    Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.

    It also stands for National Drug Code but no
    It's the National Democratic Congress, of which I'm sure some of you, or maybe not.....never mind. I've realized dems on this board aren't really interested in really finding out about the real Obama.

    Study up and don't come back here acting as if you can't find anything. If you want, you will. And you'll know it when you see it.

    Connect the dots.
    Like all those drug-crazed street terrorists did
    60s Youth at least could recognize the potential of their country, took control of the situation, engaged directly to forge their own future world and took measures that blasted us out of the complacent post civil war plantation mentality and cold war mongering by working tirelessly on behalf of civil rights for blacks AND women and ending a costly, senseless war that never should have happened.

    Not holding my breath here and expect very little out this current crop of spoiled brats. I lay down this gauntlet....stand up for yourselves and prove me wrong, will ya?...but do so with honor. Use your noggens and exercise your intellect, not the Jerry Springer style potty mouth free for all we currently see so much of on this forum.
    The rest of Cindy McCain's drug story is....
    She didn't just "do" drugs and go to rehab. Sam left out the middle part. Cindy, the beer heiress, McCain founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT)charity organization. This came in handy when her habit was upwards of 20 pills a day (Percocet and Vicodin). She used her considerable clout to force one of the AVMT MDs to write illegal prescription drugs. When that wasn't enough, she resorted to stealing them from her own foundation.

    She then proceeded to fire the whistleblower who had found out about it, who then turned around and tipped of the Drug Enforcement Administration and a federal investigation ensued, which she ended up paying for since she was guilty. That's when she told her clueless husband, the senator, since the feds were on her tail.

    Enter John McWayne. The family staged an intervention and the senator exercised HIS considerable clout and had Cindy enrolled in what is politely referred to as a "diversion program."

    Here's how this works. You pay a "program fee," attend classes on how how to avoid future offenses, restitution to the victims and avoid situations that might encourage repeating the behavior. This would be the "slap on he wrist and make it go away" approach to law enforcement. It you fail to meet the requirements of the program, they proceed with full prosecution.

    Now some people's "program fees" might be other's "bribe and hush money." This program is pretty much out of reach to the garden variety drug offender who is not heir to a fortune and married to a senator. Those folks do hard time.


    They must be snobby, elitist, liberal drug dealers, huh! (nm)
    :p
    Scumbag illegal alien drug smuggler, too bad..
    they couldn't find more to eliminate.
    Administrator: Someone is filling our board with drug ad posts on page 3.
    Hmm - none on the conservative board.  Extreme Right wing conspiracy?
    you're mixing apples and beans, drug addiction

    alcoholism and drug addition is nothing like religious fanaticism and/or religious extremism.....and/or genocide in Darfur and/or Kenya


    he went to see Odinga not a month ago to try and broker peace there......and after he left Kenya, the genocide continued and continues thru now....


    sand....head....ostrich.......


    Baby daddy's mommy arrested on drug charges

    Save Lewis sm

    This is crazy.


    http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060523153709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001


     


    Thanks - probably will save the sanity that way
    I have not yet once in a few months now found any of the O worshippers to have a rational connversation. Well some of them I have had a good conversation with, so don't want to lump them all in one group, but for the most part it's like you say....talking to a brick wall. So going to shut down for a few days and will be watching the news about the hearings. I just hope and pray that justice will be served, and I'd like an explanation from the O as to why he commited fraud knowingly and duped half (maybe now less than half because some of them are coming out) the country. Then it will be interesting to see if ol HRC files a lawsuit against him.
    ssh...they might come back. there is no one over there to save!
    Lets talk about who is going to be the new treasury secretary. I like volker. I would like to see the interest rate on my savings account go back up to 13%!
    "YOUR CAN SAVE US"??? what does that mean?
    I feel like you are going to stalk me. 
    Save some Tums for yourself. You will need more
    nm
    Save the pity for

    ALL who will need it in the next four years.   That would be everyone who feels duped for having voted Obama in.  Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. 


    In the words of Yogi Berra:  'It ain't over till it's over.'  There will be another election in four years.  


    We gave Carter - the 1-term wonder - a chance and he wrecked the economy.  Reagan fixed the economy (with tax cuts) and bankrupted the USSR out of the arms race.  There could be no more stark example of socialism vs free-market economics. 


    Just to save some dim bulb

    the trouble, let me be the first to accuse you of being a racist, a paranoid, a nasty, hateful person (did I miss anything?) for bringing up all these facts about the president and the party who only have your best interests in mind. How dare you say these things when our brave president is trying his very best to fill your gas tank and pay your mortgage.  You should be ashamed. 


    See?  Now nobody else has to break a sweat typing furiously to put you in your place.  I'm sure we all feel much better now.


    He only did this to save his own butt.
    nm
    Of course they don't..... they think Obama is here to save
    -
    Bristol's future MIL arrested on 6 counts of felony drug charges.
    Palins can't seem to catch a break this past week. 
    continued...save lives????
    x
    God save us from your source of accuracy. nm

    She's trying to save us from our evil ways
    :o)
    Bush tries to save some face --

    It looks like our wonderful govt is thinking about another stimulus -- remember those tax rebates we got back in the spring of this year? It was $600 an individual and $1200 a couple.  The govt doesn't want to do quite the same kind of stimulus as last time because -- get this -- 80% of the Americans who received it used it to either pay down debt or bolster savings.  Here's what they want the new stimulus to do:


    •The extension of unemployment benefits and possibly food stamps from 39 to 52 weeks.


    •A boost in infrastructure spending, despite the problems of getting the money to work quickly.


    •Some relief for state and local governments facing tighter budgets because of lower tax receipts and rising Medicaid costs.


    God forbid we give something to the middle class -- let's extend the food stamps and boost the "infrastructure spending" -- what is that anyway?  I'm guessing it's a way to line the pockets of the suits even more.  When is it going to end?


    if you are determined to save all children
    You have a moral obligation to end this war and to bring them home, and as veterans you have a moral obligation to financially support and care for them and their children for the rest of their lives.
    The BF sounds brainwashed. Tell him to save
    Religion (or lack of) is a personal choice, and he shouldn't be trying to force his beliefs on you or anyone else.
    How can she save so much money with 6 childen? ..nm
    nm
    Save your breath. People that believe
    worldnutdaily are not the type of folks who trust reputable sources.
    What Government must do to save capitalism

    What government must do to save capitalism





    Special to Globe and Mail Update




    From time to time in human history, there occur events of seismic significance, when one orthodoxy is overthrown and another takes its place. Today, the scale of the global financial crisis demands that we re-evaluate the economic policy and philosophy that brought us to this point.


    George Soros has said that "the salient feature of the current financial crisis is that it was not caused by some external shock. ... The crisis was generated by the system itself." He is right. The current crisis is the culmination of a 30-year domination of economic policy by a free-market ideology that has been variously called neo-liberalism, economic liberalism or economic fundamentalism. The central thrust of this ideology has been that government activity should be constrained, and ultimately replaced, by market forces. In the past year, we have seen how unchecked market forces have brought capitalism to the precipice.


    Instead of distributing risk throughout the world, the global financial system has intensified it. Neo-liberal orthodoxy held that global financial markets would ultimately self-correct - the invisible hand of unfettered market forces finding their own equilibrium. But as economist Joseph Stiglitz has caustically observed: "The reason that the invisible hand often seems invisible is that it is not there."


    Just as it fell to Franklin Roosevelt to rebuild American capitalism after the Depression, and to the American Democrats, strongly influenced by John Maynard Keynes, to rebuild postwar domestic demand, to engineer the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and to set in place the Bretton Woods system to govern international economic engagement, so it falls to a new generation to reflect on and rebuild our national and international economic systems.



    If centrist governments are to save capitalism, they must face three challenges. First is to use the agency of the state to reconstitute properly regulated markets and to rebuild domestic and global demand. With the demise of neo-liberalism, the role of the state has once more been recognized as fundamental. The state has been the primary actor in responding to three clear areas of the current crisis: in rescuing the private financial system from collapse; in providing direct stimulus to the real economy because of the collapse in private demand; and in the design of a national and global regulatory regime in which government has ultimate responsibility to determine and enforce the rules of the system.


    The second challenge for social democrats is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. As the global financial crisis unfolds and the hard impact on jobs is felt by families across the world, the pressure will be great to retreat to some model of an all-providing state and to abandon altogether the cause of open, competitive markets both at home and abroad. Protectionism has already begun to make itself felt, albeit in softer and more subtle forms than the crudity of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930. Soft or hard, protectionism is a surefire way of turning recession into depression, as it exacerbates the collapse in global demand. Social democracy's continuing philosophical claim to political legitimacy is its capacity to balance the private and the public, profit and wages, the market and the state. That philosophy once again speaks with clarity and cogency to the challenges of our time.


    A further challenge for governments in dealing with the current crisis is its almost unprecedented global dimensions. Governments must craft consistent global financial regulations to prevent a race to the bottom, where capital leaks out to the areas of the global economy with the weakest regulation. We must establish stronger global disclosure standards for systemically important financial institutions. We must also build stronger supervisory frameworks to provide incentives for more responsible corporate conduct, including executive remuneration.


    The world has turned to co-ordinated governmental action through the Group of 20: to help provide immediate liquidity to the global financial system; to co-ordinate sufficient fiscal stimulus to respond to the growth gap arising from the global recession; to redesign global regulatory rules for the future; to reform the existing global public institutions - especially the International Monetary Fund - to provide them with the powers and resources necessary for the demands of the 21st century.


    The IMF's governance arrangements must be reformed. It is only reasonable that, if we expect fast-growing developing economies such as that of China to make a greater contribution to multilateral institutions such as the IMF, they should also gain a stronger decision-making voice in these forums.


    The longer-term challenge for governments is to address the imbalances that have helped to destabilize the global economy in the past decade: in particular, the imbalances between large surplus economies such as that of China, Japan and the oil-exporting nations, and large debtor nations such as America.


    The magnitude of the crisis and its impact across the world means that minor tweakings of long-established orthodoxies will not do. Two unassailable truths have already been established: that financial markets are not always self-correcting or self-regulating, and that government can never abdicate responsibility for maintaining economic stability.


    For governments, it is critical that we get it right - not just to save the system of open markets from self-destruction, but also to rebuild confidence in properly regulated markets, so as to prevent extreme reactions from the far left or the far right taking hold.


    Governments must get it right because the stakes are so high: There are the economic and social costs of long-term unemployment; poverty once again expanding its grim reach across the developing world; and the impact on long-term power structures within the existing international political and strategic order. Success is not optional. Too much now rides on our ability to prevail.


    I consider him a traitor and just out to save his own butt

    He figures he can win on the Dem ticket because PA has turned Dem. Well, I have news for him.....I doubt it. He only won by a couple votes in the last election because of Pat Toomey running against him. He will definitely lose this election.


    I always split my ticket and I usually voted for him, but no more. I don't care what party anyone is affiliated with; but, to me, he is a traitor and that's someone else who is not needed in the Senate.


    To those who vote straight party, open your eyes. They are only out for themselves (but is that really news to anyone?)


    As posters have said before, we have to educate the people who don't watch/investigate/read up on the candidates running to make sure we vote the best candidates for the job...those who value the constitution, listen to their constituents (which is hard), and vote for the good of the country. Get rid of the a-holes who are in there. We really need to clean house this coming election.,


    Can you demonstrate that this will save people?
    As far as I know there is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. It would surely be the "holy grail" of the universal healthcare proponents' argument if they could offer such proof. So far, they haven't been able to show that it saves a single life.
    I defend anyone who tried to save thousands of
    nm
    $3 M to save turtles????? Oh yes, it's true! sm
    Here's the link:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stimulus16-2009jun16,0,7085006.story
    What about Roger Clinton, Bill's drug addict brother. Or Billy Bob Carter, sm
    Jimmy's alcoholic brother.  Man, we could do this all day.  You know you posted that article to make the Bush's look bad.  If you judge people by their families, that says a lot about you.
    Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...
    that is taken from the actual court filing. I did NOT say it was my original thinking...hellooo get a grip!! It is from the original court filing...CBS, NBC, CNN, the whole lot of them filed a suit in court trying to stop Fitzgerald from making the reporters reveal their sources. It has nothing to do with neocon or whatever other smoke screen you want to throw up. Go ahead and attack me if you like, that does not change the truth, and any rational human being can see that. You make no point at all in this ridiculous rant.

    Let me get this straight...a brief to the US District Count is a right wing rag, but CBS is the sterling banner of truth? Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.
    God save us from well-meaning people as my mother
    .
    save it - I do not read your posts anymore
    I can tell you I have made a decision based on this board of who I will be voting for...
    It will save money by not having to support TWO wars....
    That same old BS - tax and spend democrats..........it takes money to make money....I suppose we could just sit here and do NOTHING......that was working, wasn't it?
    torture,-if waterboarding can save thousands of
    nm