you're mixing apples and beans, drug addiction
Posted By: or alcoholism is far different from...S/M on 2008-02-12
In Reply to: SO WHAT. My father is an alcoholic, doesn't - make me one!! you people are silly
alcoholism and drug addition is nothing like religious fanaticism and/or religious extremism.....and/or genocide in Darfur and/or Kenya
he went to see Odinga not a month ago to try and broker peace there......and after he left Kenya, the genocide continued and continues thru now....
sand....head....ostrich.......
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You really need to see a doc about your hatred addiction to this woman...sm
You covered just about everything yesterday, even female body parts.
Food addiction. Willpower.
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She adopted a child while stealing drugs for her addiction.
If she was poor the state would have seized her kids. It's not the rich and special treatment that is so upsetting. It's the fact he is the one making these rules while his wife is an addict.
What Bible states no mixing of the races?
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your mixing people up to try and make a point but not doing it well
First you compare Obama to her, but then on an issue you compare Obama to McCain because you know you don't have anything bad to compare to Gov Palin with. Then when you talk about Obama you praise him and when you talk above Gov Palin you demean her. Where is the fairness in that?
First, nobody is taking anything away from Obama. He is intelligent, articulated, has a beautiful family, has done quite well for himself both career and family wise.
Nobody is saying he is exotic and comparing it to her saying she is a quantessential American Story. People are very impressed with Obama's life history. Hawaii is a very exotic sounding state (I've never heard him described as exotic). Ahh Hawaii, beautiful oceans, white sandy beaches - everyone's dream vacation. You make it sound like people are tearing him down because he was born in Hawaii. Alaska is quite different. You have to admit that hunting moose is not your everyday experience but nowhere in any news source or anywhere have I heard people compare where they grew up in to put one down and bring the other up.
Nobody has said that because his name is Barack he's a radical unpatriotic Muslim. He's a Muslim turned Christian period, but not because of his name, and nobody has said she's a Maverick because of what she named her kids.
Nobody has said he is unstable because he graduated Harvard. On the contrary. People have said he is one of the most intelligent persons to have graduated and become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. That's not an accomplishment many people can say they have and that is what I am hearing everywhere. And who cares how many colleges she went to (this is your first demeaning statement of her by saying they were "small" colleges instead of just saying "5 colleges"). My DH has attended about 7 colleges all because of where he was living at the time and he is far from "well grounded" and I have never heard people say that about her.
Second part of belittling her and raising him up is by saying he is a "brilliant" community organizer. Brilliant may be your view of him, but I would just say he was a community organizer. No need to say he is brilliant and all other words of praise while belittling her. Yes, she was on TV but she was not a "local weather girl" (another cheap shot at trying to put her down). She was a TV News anchor and covered sports. And your description of her time served as councilwoman, mayor, and governor is a little more than insulting. It goes to verify that you just hate her and what she has accomplished. You need to research all the good things she has done and whether you like it or not, she has done a lot of good things for the people and made their lives better. And to try attack the population of Alaska as though it's some kind of negative for her, and make her sound any less by saying they were small towns and state. Governer is governer. Responsibilites are the same wether your a governor of Alaska, Hawaii, California or any other state (give or take a few of the state programs). BTW Alaska is more than twice the size of Texas. And funny how Dean was the frontrunner for the dems when the population of Vermont is smaller than Alaska (yes, I'm sure you all don't want to remember that little tid bit).
Gov. Sarah Palin was on the city council for 2 years, Chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Committee for 1 year, was mayor of Wasilla for 6 years. She defeated a 3-term mayor. She created positions and even reduced her salary. She cut property taxes by 75% and eliminated personal property and business inventory taxes. She made improvements to the roads and sewers and increased funding to the police department. She also procured funding for storm-water treatment to protect freshwater resources. She ran a second term and won by 74%. She's promoted oil and natural gas resource development. She sold a jet, got rid of a personal chef and drives herself to work from her home (50 miles) even though she is allowed a per diem and hotel. She got rid of the bridge to nowhere and she signed into law the AGIA. So your portrayal of what Gov. Palin has done is quite inaccurate while boosting up Obama. Gov. Palin's past qualifications will most definitely contribute and help her to be a good VP.
Obama was a state legislature from 1997-2004, in the US Senate in 2004, and became a junior senator in 2005. You can't even seriously compare the two.
Yes Obama has been married to Michelle for 19 years and their two daughters are beautiful. Sarah has been married to Todd for 20 years and they have five beautiful children. (your comparing Barack to Sarah in all your answers - so why did you jump to John McCain on this one?)
Whatever kind of safe sex education you want to give pre-schoolers (who should be
more concerned with learning how to read and write is just wrong). Gov. Palin did not advocate teaching only abstinence. And she had nothing to do with her daughter getting pregnant. The best of children come up pregnant both in democratic and republican party.
Funny how you were all for Bill Clinton getting ready to be called "First Dude", but now you have a problem with Todd Palin being called "First Dude", and don't even try to justify that one with Bill Clintons background. Are you saying the the VP's spouse is suppose to have a college education? How egotistical of you. Especially since he is a commercial fisherman, for 18 years worked in the oil fields, member of the United Steelworkers, among other things. That's a pretty stable background.
Kudo's to Michelle for graduating from Harvard, but not everyone wants to go to college to be a lawyer (and in my opinion we need less lawyers in DC, not more), but to take away from Todd Palin because he doesn't have a college degree????
And to mention such an insignificant note that he didn't vote until 25? Who cares? And I'm not sure that is even true, but just plain trivial.
This post is just another liberal post trying to trash and demean decent people, not giving credit where credit due, while propping up your candidate, with inflated statements.
Ok, much clearer now to you?
That's what I thought. I stop watching that show because of his mixing HIS
political beliefs and opinions with the Bible. He is definitely over the line and uses religion to draw people in to his own political opinions.
Perhaps he was afraid of being attacked for mixing politics and religion
I don't think it was anything to get uup in arms about - but of course people get up in arms about EVERYTHING this man does - even to having pizza in the White House.
People need to quit grasping at straws and focus on important issues!
Well at least sm and you had dogs and beans
We lived on soup given to us by a neighbor for 6 months. In return, hubby worked around the place for him (they were in their 70s). We would get a gallon of soup every other day. I must say, I did lose weight then.  Kids came first, then hubby, then me for the soup. I never want to be in that position again, but it looks like it may come to that. Thank heavens, I've been stocking up a bit. I'm no where near where I'd like to be food-wise, but better off than I was in the 80s when there was NOTHING.
Fava beans
Not so easy to find. May have to go to one of those boutique groceries, a Fresh Market, Whole Foods, etc. Grow in giant pods. I had a neighbor who grew them because her husband loved them. If you find a way to make them palatable, lemme know. As I said, big lima bean shaped beans, kind of squishy texture and a bitter taste. Nasty is the only impression I carry over the years. Oh, and for some reason, African blacks and people with Mediterranian ancestry can lack a digestive enzyme and that makes them very allergic to favas (it's called 'favism'). Go figure.
Yep, that's me. TMI (too much information). Yeah, I know, this belongs on the gab board. I promise we'll quit about the beans now, all you who are outraged by trivia here.
Actually, neither one means a hill of beans to me...thanks for trying...nm
There you go...hit on another favorite. Pinto beans...
fried potatoes and cornbread. Yum. Growing up that was a staple for us. And boy did I (and still do) love it!!
Yeah. bread and beans maybe? LOL (nm)
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Let me just interrupt my dinner of fava beans
and chianti to reply. What's happening in the market is called a hiccup. It will jump a little, drop a little, and bounce around. It does that when a president has a colonoscopy or gets a mole removed.
I would not start singing Ding-Dong the Witch is Dead quite yet (am I mixing movie metaphors?) because I think the overall trend will be gradually down over the long term. Let's see what a 6-month average has been in, say, September? (Now might be a really good time to divest....just sayin')
Never have had fava beans, but I have had a nice chianti
Although all wine is "nice". Fava beans have just always sounded nasty. I remember watching Anthony Hopkins interviewed on Inside the Actors Studio. I can't remember exactly what he said now but I remember him commenting on that specific line, and they were laughing about it.
Oops! Jill Biden spilled the beans on Oprah...sm
today. Joe was offered either Secretary of State or VP by Obama, his choice. Everyone was shocked and laughing and she so, "well its true", and Joe said, it's OK, you're right it is true. I predict that skit will be portrayed on SNL this weekend.
Oops! Jill Biden spilled the beans on Oprah...sm
today. Joe was offered either Secretary of State or VP by Obama, his choice. Everyone was shocked and laughing and she so, "well its true", and Joe said, it's OK, you're right it is true. I predict that skit will be portrayed on SNL this weekend.
Do You Like Apples?
Four separate recent polls have indicated that aproximately 20% of American people identify themselves as Republicans. The Republican Party has lost a fourth of its base over the last 25 years. Specter's switch highlighted the fact that people are walking away from the Republican Party.
How do you like them apples?
Apples and oranges. sm
That seems to be what our conversations always end up. We both look at the war in Iraq for a totally different viewpoint. It will never change and there is no use discussing any further because we have done it several times before. We will have to agree to disagree.
Apples and oranges....
Good grief. What is so insulting about proposing bilingual education for American children? You want better education. He wants better education. Where's the rub?
While I agree that the quality of education leaves a bit to be desired, I would look beyond the classroom to explain what is happening to the native tongue and why. Can you say electronic media? TV, DVDs, MP3, video games and the like (just for starters) hold much more sway with your kids than any teacher could ever hope to have. Virtual reality wins hands down.
Their future lies deeply embedded in a global community, like it or not. MTs compete with BILINGUAL, trilingual and multilingual populations in 3rd world countries for our jobs every single day. We aren't exactly coming in first in that race, to be sure.
Couldn't hurt to equip our children with the tools they are bound to need. Last time I checked, American pride won't pay the bills.
apples and oranges
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Apples and Oranges
The bailout for the auto industry was to save jobs. Healthcare reform is to save people. If the private insurance industry is a casualty of that, at least the unemployed will have healthcare while they look for another job.
Apples to oranges.....
Everyone may not be Christian or care for a tree, but EVERYONE is supposed to be an American, right? If not, go back to where you came from and live there with your mouth shut!
It isn't fair to pick out a few bad apples...
...and characterize a whole group based on them. And you're also right about Conservatives (loosely put) not always agreeing with one another, especially these days. Seems dissent among the ranks is breaking wide open.
But regardless of degree of badness of the apples in general - any group as a whole who supports Bush remains suspect as a whole because there is simply no reason left for an intelligent person to do so. Most who still do, do so because they aren't aware of the facts and aren't very good judges of character. Just my opinion, but I stand by it, and see more proof of it every day.
Apples meet oranges. (nm)
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Again, apples...meet oranges!
Unlike common garden-variety pedophiles, Priests are in positions of power within the church and take vows of celibacy. I am sure you are aware of the major upheaval in the Catholic Diocese because of the extensive number of cases where priests have sexually molested children. Exorbitant payouts have been made by the Catholic Diocese to the many children who are victims of Priests who are practicing pedophiles.
Apples...meet oranges! (nm)
:p
Another apples to oranges nonsequeter.
His daughters attend the school where kids of many high-profile official go. As we can see from the gusher of back pack reports and endless analyses of their first day at school yesterday, his daughters will be fodder for the paparazzi, not to mention targets of kidnapping and assassination. They have considerations that Joe and Josephine the Parents do not have.
There is nothing hypocritical about rejecting school vouchers programs which are unnecessary, undesirable and, in fact, DO undermine the public schools systems by diverting funds that can do more good for a larger number of children in public settings. He campaigned on this issue and the way he has responded to the issue is perfectly consistent with what he said before he election.
Don't you have better things to do with your time than a 24/7/365 witch hunt vigil?
Yes, but pears and apples are both fruit!
:)
You can't compare apples and oranges...
today, came from Bush' watch - including the sorry mess of our economy and our standing in the world theater.
Sorry you don't like the truth.
You are putting apples with oranges.,
this has nothing to do with that.
The saying, 'a few bad apples spoil the bunch' is true...sm
I think the loose recruiting tactics to beef of the military that is what is causing these chain of events. My question is how can America screen soldiers to prevent stuff like this?
And to take away their immunity is just as scary to me. There's no time like the present to start unhooking the training wheels.
Oh yeah, judge an entire party by a few bad apples.
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Drug companies
Why is it that other countries have American made medications so much cheaper than America. The argument has been well we pay the extra amount so drug companies can do research. Why us? We are expected to pay more for medications and also health benefits when other countries have universal healthcare and lower drug costs. It isnt right that Americans foot the bill for the world to enjoy the medications we produce at less cost than us. It isnt right that Americans have to go bankrupt when faced with a major illness because either their healthcare is inadequate or they dont have healthcare. If this administration really cared about what Americans need most, they wouldnt be talking about Social Security, they would be devising a universal health plan for all Americans. Some say that would be socialized medicine. Heck, when you dont have any health coverage, socialized medicine is better than nothing.
Only the lie about not being a drug abuser...
Rush is a fake, a phony, a hypocrite ("do as I say, not as I do").
It is not the Dems who are giving him any "power" it is the poor, misguided Republicans who look up to this misguided human being.
We dems are merely entertained.....
Lobbying for big drug companies....oh my!
http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/08/24/hunter-biden-lobbyist-for-big-pharma/
Unbelievable! Drug dealers (sm)
There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !
Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.
Don't forget that he is a drug addict, too.
Limbaugh was and probably still is an oxycodone addict.
Yeah, In a drug stupor. Why would anyone
He is the biggest hypocrite ever. His mudslinging is just to take the focus off of his own hypocrisy.
The difference is in the drug effects...(sm)
Cocain, heroin, meth -- all extremely addictive and oftentimes turns into a desperate situation for users, often leading to crime.
Marijuana -- Sales for Fruit Loops go up.
Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"
http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.
Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.
Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.
Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.
So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.
Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.
It also stands for National Drug Code but no
It's the National Democratic Congress, of which I'm sure some of you, or maybe not.....never mind. I've realized dems on this board aren't really interested in really finding out about the real Obama.
Study up and don't come back here acting as if you can't find anything. If you want, you will. And you'll know it when you see it.
Connect the dots.
Like all those drug-crazed street terrorists did
60s Youth at least could recognize the potential of their country, took control of the situation, engaged directly to forge their own future world and took measures that blasted us out of the complacent post civil war plantation mentality and cold war mongering by working tirelessly on behalf of civil rights for blacks AND women and ending a costly, senseless war that never should have happened.
Not holding my breath here and expect very little out this current crop of spoiled brats. I lay down this gauntlet....stand up for yourselves and prove me wrong, will ya?...but do so with honor. Use your noggens and exercise your intellect, not the Jerry Springer style potty mouth free for all we currently see so much of on this forum.
The rest of Cindy McCain's drug story is....
She didn't just "do" drugs and go to rehab. Sam left out the middle part. Cindy, the beer heiress, McCain founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT)charity organization. This came in handy when her habit was upwards of 20 pills a day (Percocet and Vicodin). She used her considerable clout to force one of the AVMT MDs to write illegal prescription drugs. When that wasn't enough, she resorted to stealing them from her own foundation.
She then proceeded to fire the whistleblower who had found out about it, who then turned around and tipped of the Drug Enforcement Administration and a federal investigation ensued, which she ended up paying for since she was guilty. That's when she told her clueless husband, the senator, since the feds were on her tail.
Enter John McWayne. The family staged an intervention and the senator exercised HIS considerable clout and had Cindy enrolled in what is politely referred to as a "diversion program."
Here's how this works. You pay a "program fee," attend classes on how how to avoid future offenses, restitution to the victims and avoid situations that might encourage repeating the behavior. This would be the "slap on he wrist and make it go away" approach to law enforcement. It you fail to meet the requirements of the program, they proceed with full prosecution.
Now some people's "program fees" might be other's "bribe and hush money." This program is pretty much out of reach to the garden variety drug offender who is not heir to a fortune and married to a senator. Those folks do hard time.
the drug companies that fund the research for new drugs
really don't have all that much time to make money on the drugs before generics are allowed. Do you think generic companies are going to start contributing to research? For all those people who gripe about the drug companies, I would like to see the day come when the drug companies aren't willing to spend another dime on the research. The gov can pay for all the research then. They still pay for the meds, and it might be more, factoring in the waste for the gov being involved.
They must be snobby, elitist, liberal drug dealers, huh! (nm)
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Scumbag illegal alien drug smuggler, too bad..
they couldn't find more to eliminate.
oh, pullllllllleeeze save Poor Drug Companies spiel.
you didn't answer mine. Where did you hear that the U.S. doesn't make vaccines? Or is it merely more conservative fiction? Because it's simply not true.
You're talking about all this as if it's a leisurely endeavor that isn't time sensitive. I'm talking about protecting my family and your family from a potential bio terror attack using smallpox.
And you're right. No response is necessary at all because you haven't said anything worthy of one.
Administrator: Someone is filling our board with drug ad posts on page 3.
Hmm - none on the conservative board. Extreme Right wing conspiracy?
Baby daddy's mommy arrested on drug charges
Bristol's future MIL arrested on 6 counts of felony drug charges.
Palins can't seem to catch a break this past week.
What about Roger Clinton, Bill's drug addict brother. Or Billy Bob Carter, sm
Jimmy's alcoholic brother. Man, we could do this all day. You know you posted that article to make the Bush's look bad. If you judge people by their families, that says a lot about you.
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