the definition of anti-semitism is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews. SM
Posted By: Lu on 2009-01-07
In Reply to: Whoa, Bessie. Can't be anti-Semitic and Pro-Palestinian - sm
The terms literal meaning may indeed include all semitic people, it is used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews which you have displayed here in living color.
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Anti-Semitism versus Anti-Zionism
I wanted to address an exchange below that occurred between myself and a couple of others on the board (just the big bad and another poster who did not use anything to identify herself) last night. In response to my post about the righteous prevailing meaning the Israeli's would prevail because they are the "righteous", just the big bad responded "So was Hitler righteous?" She was likening the Israeli's treatment of the Palestinians as being akin to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews. I then pointed out her anti-Semitic rhetoric. To which I was blasted for accusing an anti-Zionist as being an anti-Semitic.
I want to point out to many of you who hold strong opinions regarding the Israel/Palestinian conflict, there is a very fine line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, a line that was very clearly crossed when just the big bag posted her Hitler remark, a line many have crossed in this discussion by likening the Gaza Strip to a concentration camp. When you say these things you have become an anti-Semitic. Below is an excerpt from an article written by Ami Isseroff:
If you judge a Jewish state by standards that you apply to no one else; if your neck veins bulge when you denounce Zionists but you've done no more than cluck "well, yes, very bad about Darfur";
if there is nothing Hamas can do that you won't blame 'in the final analysis' on Israelis;
if your sneer at the Zionists doesn't sound a whole lot different from American neoconservative sneers at leftists;
then you should not be surprised if you are criticized, fiercely so, by people who are serious about a just peace between Israelis and Palestinians and who won't let you get away with a self-exonerating formula "I am anti-Zionist, but not anti-Semitic" to prevent scrutiniy. If you are anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic, then don't use the categories, allusions, and smug hiss that are all too familiar to any student of prejudice.
I think that sums it up.
Anti-Semitism
I would be mindful of how this word is tossed around. The Arabs are Semites too.
Zionism and Anti-Semitism
Zionism and Anti-Semitism
We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are not the saviors of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy Land and worldwide. The idea that Zionism and the State of “Israel” is the protector of Jews is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People. Indeed, where else since 1945 have Jews been in such physical danger as in the Zionist state?!
Jews are enjoined by their religious laws to be loyal to the country of which they are citizens. Ever since the destruction of the holy Temple in Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish People some two thousand years ago, we have been enjoined to be scrupulously loyal to the countries we reside in. One of the great biblical prophets, Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled; verse seven reads, Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare. This has been a cornerstone of Jewish morality throughout our history to this very day.
Torah-true Jews wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors in every country among the community of nations, including in historic Palestine. They deplore acts and policies of violence carried out by those who, misusing the name of Israel our forefather, have substituted the ideal of chauvinist nationalism for the eternal values of the Torah, the eternal divinely bestowed inheritance of the Jewish people.
It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.
ANTI-SEMITISM BY POLITICAL ZIONISM
Although Zionists and others dispute it, the undeniable fact is that revolutionary secular and apostate elements in the Jewish community in Europe contributed greatly to hostility towards Jews after World War I. This aroused hatred of Jews in general among many non-Jews. While a prisoner in 1924 in the fortress of Lansberg on the River Lech, Hitler wrote his Mein Kampf. When he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he was assisted by Goebbels, Roseberg and Streicher. From them came the declarations, “The Jews of Germany caused the defeat of Germany in the 1914-1918 war; the Jews of Germany were responsible for the terrible conditions in Germany that followed the war; the Jews of Germany are foreigners and they wish to remain foreigners; they have no loyalty to the country of their birth; they are not human; they are filthy dogs; they have no right to intrude into Germany’s affairs; there are too many Jews in Germany.
As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:
“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.
So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.
Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.
In 1920 there were statements hostile to Jews expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that Jews of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the Jews of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the Jews of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.
In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:
“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.
Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. “They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.”
Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that “Germany… has too many Jews”? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.
How many Zionist Jews know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: “I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying”, it is clear that he had told the truth.
In addition to Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels and Streicher, many other Nazi leaders used statements from Zionists to validate their charges against the Jews of Germany. Such are the efforts of Zionist leaders to this very day to maintain a high degree of anti-semitism in order to enable them, in feigned horror, to then point to anti-semitism to support their idolatrous and anti-Jewish cause. In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared.
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As we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.
During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin’s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis:
The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it.
To those who assume that Zionists have been on the side of freedom and equality, these words seem strange. However, to those who understand the root of Zionism, which is the transformation and eradication of the concept of the traditional Jew and Judaism, these statements are not strange at all. They are to be expected.
The Zionists agreed with Nazism in general, even prior to the advent of Nazism. They believed that Jews could not, and should not, live in harmony in any other society in the world, and that should be removed from those societies for the benefit of those societies. They believed that the new Jewish existence in its own State would remake the image of Jews as “useless” and “parasites.” These ideas existed long before Adolf Hitler!
There is a huge amount of literature describing how the Zionists made it very difficult to save Jews during and after World War II. As various individuals and organizations were trying to arrange departures of Jews to western countries, the Zionists worked overtime to prevent this from happening. They expressed the opinion that building up the Jewish population of Palestine was more important than enabling Jews to go to third countries, and they insisted to western powers that Jews should not be accepted anywhere other than Palestine. Indeed, Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist, proclaimed that “one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Poland.” The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:
If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.
Read about the brutal Zionist role in the Holocaust.
After the war, a Zionist “religious” leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 :
I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine...For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word force, I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the Jews in Poland, and in the history of the 'Exodus'... To apply this programme we must, instead of providing 'displaced persons' with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them...At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the Jews.
It is ironic that the Zionists proclaim their State as the safe haven for the Jewish People, when since World War II no place on earth has been as dangerous for Jews, both spiritually and physically, as the Zionist state.
The Zionists worked relentlessly to create fear among Jews in the Arab countries after the Zionist state was established. Their tactic work most successfully in Yemen, Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia.
It is common knowledge among Iraqi Jews that during 1949-1950 the famous Zionist, Mordechai ben Porat, who had the nickname of Morad Abu al-Knabel (Mordechai Bomber), was instrumental in seeking to bribe Iraqi officials after the creation of the Zionist state to pass laws to encourage Jews to leave Iraq. This was enhanced by the Zionists planting bombs in synagogues in Baghdad in March 1950. Information about this is readily available on the internet.
Read The Jews of Iraq by Naim Giladi, a first hand account of violence and intimidation of Iraqi Jews to leave their homeland.
The writings of Mr. Naim Giladi document in detail what the Zionists did in Baghdad in 1950 to provoke the departure of the Jews to the Zionist state. The Zionists do not care what effect their policies have on the Jewish communities of any country. When they accuse European nations of every sin under the sun, do the Zionists care that this will produce hostility towards Jews? No! Not a bit. On the contrary, as we have discussed, they thrive on such circumstances, clinging to the vain hope that these Jewish communities will rush for the “salvation” of the “safe haven” of the Zionist Paradise where Jews are in constant danger as the Zionist regime undertakes every form of cruel provocation against non-Jews.
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In more recent times the Zionists have sought every opportunity to encourage Jews to leave their home countries. Anytime there is even the smallest event of hostility toward Jews on the heels of Zionist policy, or if there are signs of economic distress and dislocation, the Zionists magnify it a thousand times, seek to ruthlessly humiliate the nations involved, and agitate for Jews to go to the Zionist state, the so-called “natural home” of the Jewish People. This has been the case in countries such as France, Argentina, Uruguay, the former Soviet Union and Egypt.
The promises of the Torah are always to be realized. This verse from the Torah demonstrates that those who are his enemies will pay a price when The kingdom of G-D will prevail.
Deuteronomy 32:43: Praise his People, O Nations: For he will avenge the blood of his servants. He will render vengeance against his adversaries and make expiation for his land and his People.
Sources:
- Guardian Volume two Issue 7
- Satmar Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum
- The Jews of Batna, Aleria: A Study of Identity and Colonialism by Elizabeth Friedman.
- The Jewish Communities of Morocco and the AIU by M. Laskier, State University, Albany, N.Y.
- The Impact of Western European Education on the Jewish Millet of Baghdad by Maurice Sawdayee.
- Outcaste Jewish Life in Southern Iran by Laurence D. Loeb. Gordon and Breach.
- The Last Arab Jews. The Communities of Jerba, Tunisia by Abraham Udovitch and Lucette Valensi. Harwood Academic Publishers.
- The GENOCIDE IN THE HOLY LAND (available for purchase on the site)
- Ben Gurion's Scandals by Naeim Giladi (available for purchase on the site)
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If you believe in UFOs, ghosts, anti-Semitism and
conspiracy theories, then by all means, we have a credible source here where "truth" is the order of the day. These are the primary foci of Jeff Rense and his kind. As for the rest of us whose beliefs are founded in reality, this article is a waste of time.
I know, I know, I know, you don't care, you don't care, you don't care. Got it.
Why all this hostility toward
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Hostility? We do have a democratically...
controlled Congress and they are the ones who should be taking care of us. How is that hostile?
No dear, it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.
Horrific is as horrific does. This long term occupation has spanned 60 years. The Holocaust spanned 12. Thanks to your Zionist government, its historic anmesia and its barbaric practices, the Jewish people have lost their exclusive claim to pain and suffering at the hands of state-sponsored terrorism aimed at the genocidal annihilation of an entire population. Your Holocaust was based on religious affiliation and racial purification. The Palestinian Holocaust is based on the ethnic cleansing of a pathologic nationalism that has been out of control for 6 decades.
You cannot declare yourself in charge of defining any other person's beliefs based on your concepts of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. I very painstakingly explained to you where I was coming from with that and how I make the distinction. It is the nationalistic fascist ideals that underpin the Zionist movement, not the Jewish people or their religious affiliation that are the targets of the hatred. In fact, they are also captive to their own Zionist leadership, but to a much lesser degree than the Palestinians.
The Holocaust is the only thing in recent history that can be used by comparison to describe the plight of the Palestinians. In fact, there is no parallel historical context that it can be placed in, other than perhaps the apartheid of South Africa. The most accurate description would be a combination of the two horrors.
Any way you slice it, you are trying to defend the indefensible and will never succeed in gaining any credibility, global tolerance of acceptance (except, of course from the US, who is using your country and your people for their own personal gains...better watch your backs) as long as you are the occupiers and the oppressors.
And anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage
will fix the economy? I think not. Besides anyone with half a brain cell knows BOTH of them will raise taxes on all of us. Forget tax breaks. How do you think the $700 billion and climbing is going to get paid....from money falling out of the sky????? Get real.
Anti-choice, anti-welfare,
No hypocrisy there?
you just went from one prejudice to another
you think it's people over 40 who have prejudiced? Interesting. I call that prejudice. I am over 40 and race does not matter to me, and I find it insulting that someone thinks because I'm over 40 I would be more inclined toward racial prejudice (or any other prejudice). My age has not stopped me from judging a person by their character and not their color OR THEIR AGE or any other criteria.
This has nothing to do with prejudice.
The fact that you use that every time someone opposes what Obama is doing is absolutely ridiculous in itself. I have seen very little out of Obama that is worthy of praise. I admit that he ran one he!! of a campaign and I admit that he did a good job in allowing the seals to take out those pirates and save that captain. I applaud him for overcoming racism and prejudice to become the first African-American president. Other than that....I don't see much to praise him for. He has ran our deficit much higher than Bush ever did in a much shorter time. He has taken over banks and now the auto industry. He goes all over the world apologizing and making us look pathetic and weak. He strong armed things with the Chrysler bankruptcy to allow unions to get much more than they deserved. On top of this....our government continues to spend money like we have stockpiles of it hidden somewhere even though we don't.
I think maybe you should take your blinders off and see our president for what he really is. A smooth talking liar who said anything and everything to get elected. He has the mainstream media in his pocket and constantly says one thing while he does another. Wake up and realize that this has nothing to do with prejudice. This is just an American disagreeing with what our government is doing and I have that right. So stop calling me racist just because I don't kiss Barry's butt like ya'll seem to do.
It has EVERYTHING to do with prejudice
I said NOTHING about racism, okay. But everything this man does or attempts to do is fodder for this board - just because of who he is. That is being prejudiced.
You can not say that you have given him a fair chance. It has only been 5 months since he was elected, yet you proclaim to know all about him.
Anti-gay/anti-abortion
I'm someone who believes in minding my own business. What others do in their family lives is none of my business. There hasn't been one single (or married) gay person who has ever hurt me.
On the other hand, the policies of the last eight years have hurt me a great deal. I don't have health insurance, so McCain can't tax mine, but he will tax everyone else's.
I want a President who can speak English (for a change), one who is intelligent and even tempered, and one who not only acknowledges that there is a huge problem with the middle class but whose entire platform has been devoted to solving that problem.
One day, McCain says the "fundamentals of the economy are strong." The next day, he's canceling a debate to rush back to Washington to fix the "crisis," except that he doesn't really "rush," and he didn't cancel the debate. He's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
Obama's slogan has always been change, from the very beginning, and McCain has stolen that slogan.
I'm just personally sick and tired of politicians who are pro-corporations and anti-Americans.
Corporate tax breaks simply don't work. The beneficiaries of these breaks pocket the money. They don't create jobs; they outsource them. As MTs, we should know that more than anyone.
Obama wants to reward businesses who KEEP jobs in America. That's why I voted for him, along with the other reasons above, and that's why my daughter and son-in-law also voted for him, so he has received three votes from this household alone.
The "trickle-down" theory doesn't work and depends on the non-existent benevolence of greedy executives. It's time to try the "trickle-up" theory, IMHO.
Everyone is so upset at the thought of rising taxes. I wish someone would tell me just HOW we expect to pay for all Bush's wars, as this will fall to the next President, along with the present financial fiasco.
Here's the deal about prejudice. sm
Prejudice is prejudice. I don't differentiate prejudice against overweight people any differently than I do prejudice for race. The left seems to be able to do that with no problem. Why, you would think they are all slender and well groomed. However, the presence in their midst of people like Ted Kennedy, Jerry Nadler, Barney Franks, Linda Ronstadt, etc., etc., would prove differently.
where are u pulling your prejudice from?
just wondering
Can we say extreme prejudice? (sm)
Now where have I heard that kind of sentiment before......hmmmm....oh, I know. It was Hitler. In your statement you have shown a complete disregard for life. In my opinion, anyone who would so enthusiastically support genocide, regardless of the circumstances, is simply disgusting and a waste of good air.
Prejudice: To pre-judge
without knowledge, based upon appearances.
Can't see how this has anything to do with how I feel about Obama. He has done and said quite enough for me to base an opinion on my knowledge of his actions. Find another word to sling around. Prejudice won't work. Neither will racism.
It's called prejudice, as in pre-judge.
except to say it is a real drag.
It is definitely some form of prejudice! So if not racism...
To say someone's administration is a failure 3 months into a 48 month term is pre-judging. Prejudging is another word for prejudice.
No matter what kind of sanctimonious spin they want to put on their words, the bottom line is their are prejudiced.
Jews
How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust. Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens? It wasn't right then, either. None of it is.
Just something to think about.
Well, the Jews came first :-)
More stupid propaganda...
Yes, the Jews were here first........sm
but that did not stop Hitler from his cruel treatment of them, did it? And it would not stop a Muslim's cruel treatment of them, as well as the Christians and atheists and anyone else who will not accept their Allah, should the situation present itself. And they will make the situation present itself.
The destruction of America will be an inside job, just as the Muslims promised.
What he said about the Jews...(sm)
is absolutely correct. What was posted previously: Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."
What was said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ
Please note what was left out (replaced with "..."). He's not just slamming Jews in general. He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
This is also true. The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.
Not acknowledging Jews
You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.
I think many of us have experience with extremes. They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit. Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open. You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena). You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.
I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews. They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it. (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.) If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel. The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home. My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.
If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks. They received equal condemnation.
My father was a terrible bigot and racist. My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house. He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black. Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.
Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street. We both smiled at each other and said hello. My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____. I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home. The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating. Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.
When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW). He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job. (He even talked me into doing a commercial.) If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again. Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily. I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.
In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town. Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc. Gorgeous bachelor to boot! LOL. We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk. I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had. When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend. LOL.
My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended. This wasn't my idea. It was HIS. I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked. (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.) The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there. He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.
While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died. She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit. My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me. I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer. I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him. I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this. They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house. I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again. What wonderful Christians.
I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north. It's even worse in some areas of the south. From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews. I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion. What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women). So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today. The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind. In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them. It still exists. It's alive and well in America.
This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.
The can go ahead and flame away. Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie. That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards. I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying. I believe that's morally wrong. But what do I know about values? I'm a liberal.
Are there no French Jews? TI
This is news to me! I also speak German and Hebrew. What is your point?
Do Jews go to heaven?
You might want to read the book in the Bible called Hebrews, which is a letter the apostle Paul, who was a Jew's Jew, wrote to the Hebrews. The question should be, Is anyone going to heaven? Heaven is the throne room of God. None of us are going to spend eternity in heaven, but in the New Jerusalem. See the next to last chapter of the Bible, (chapter 21, verse 2). Better yet, read the two last chapters of the Bible. We are not actually going to the New Jerusalem, but we are becoming the New Jerusalem - a corporate entity composed of the triune God and all His believers. However, if you read the 1st verse of the book of the Revelation, we see that it is a book of signs. The New Jerusalem is the ultimate sign.
PERFECTING JEWS?
NO ONE WHO TALKS ABOUT PERFECTING JEWS IS ENTERTAINING..DO YOU UNDERSTAND??
No one said he speaks for all the Jews
don't ass-u-me.
It's funny, you say you get Christianity "shoved" down your throat everywhere, but everywhere I go I get sex, violence, and other "worldly" things that I find disgraceful shoved down mine. I'm expected to sit by and just accept all that without saying anything, but you (and others who think your way) should be allowed to say that we have to get out of everything but our homes and churches? Do you not see the double standard? Those of us who want to live the Christian life can't even go into the mall without seeing sex ads and innuendos about cheating, and lately I can't walk through a store without hearing someone using filthy language left and right. But I should just put up with it, right?
He wrote about Jews and communism. sm
He read many of Henry Ford's writings when he (Hitler) was in prison. He included these thoughts/tenents in Mein Kampf.
Yes? Tell that to 40 million dead Jews. NM
You are speaking of Orthodox Jews? SM
Yes, well, I admire their faith. And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject.
What is Cindy doing to the jews? This is news.
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Will Palin Scare the Jews?
We think the conventional wisdom, now, is that Sarah Palin is a cynical appeal not to Hillary voters but to the Republican "base," which means religious white people. It's a last-ditch effort to win just one more with George W. Bush's coalition, not to bring in those moderates John McCain supposedly appeals to most. But here's the risk: the old, conservative Jewish vote McCain's had in the bag since day one? They might not like this lady so much. As you can see in this clip (attached below), even Ben Stein—the Nixon speechwriter so happy to pretend to be something other than an educated East Coast elitist that he'll hop in bed with creationists—is insulted and shocked by the Palin pick. This is just the beginning. The New York Sun, that probably doomed organ of intellectual Zionist conservatism, seemingly also can't quite believe this selection. Allow them to tell you about Sarah Palin's grand plans for The Jews!
The disclosure that last month Governor Palin's church hosted the executive director of Jews for Jesus, who told congregants that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus, is going to be the next club that Mrs. Palin's leftist critics pick up against her. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency quotes Mrs. Palin's pastor at Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, as saying that he doesn't believe Jews for Jesus are deceptive. "Look at Paul and Peter and the others — they were Jews and believed in Jesus as the messiah," he told JTA. "There's gentile believers and there's Jewish believers that acknowledge Jesus as messiah. There's Swedish believers."
They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. Jewish Defense League Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.
Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."
The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.
Google has 637,000 entries on Jews and communism. sm
But I guess you read the one history book that didn't have that in it. Unbelievable.
Certainly the Jews have suffered enough but not enough for Cindy. Educate yourself. nm
So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first?
Just curious.
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America. We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs. I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people. What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
this is history: It was the Jews who crucified Jesus.
Now you want Jesus to come back and take you home? Are you sure that you are a Christian?
Bush told reporter Jews as "all going to hell."
Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'
09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pmFiled by Larisa Alexandrovna
An upcoming book about presidential advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.
In The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power, Austin-based journalist James Moore and Wayne Slater, senior political reporter for the Dallas Morning News, will allege that Bush once made anti-semitic comments to a reporter.
You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman? a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.
When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell.
This quip never received wider media attention. RAW STORY obtained a copy of The Architect late this week.
Bush's thoughts on the fate of non-Christian souls became a minor source of controversy after he told the Houston Post in 1993 that only those who accept Jesus Christ go to Heaven. However, the future president was also earlier briefly engaged to a half-Jewish woman.
The authors of The Architect assert that religion and ethnicity have been manipulated by Bush and Rove to divide and conquer the nation.
More information about the book, to be released Tuesday, can be found here.
Germany, who killed millions of Jews wants to prosecute Rumsfeld.
That makes sense.
Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000
· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
Wednesday January 4, 2006
Guardian The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.
A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.
However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.
Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction.
The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.
The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was fully cooperating with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught.
The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.
A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.
The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.
The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.
Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.
As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace.
Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
What is your definition of..
winning the war, Iraq and Viet Nam. What exactly does that mean, that there will democracy, an industrialized, technologically adept population? that we will overthrow the **terrorists** (where will they go??) and peace will be restored to the kingdom? I don't get what you think is going to be achieved by staying in Iraq. There has never been peace in the region and there never will be, NEVER unless Himself comes down here and changes things. And another question Islamofascists, who on God's green earth came up with that moniker? It is really quite bizarre, and a mouthful.
Where did you copy the chickenhawk piece from, just curious.
Thanks for the definition!
That is me..liberal to the core and so proud of it. Watching the debate last night I was shaking my head watching those old men with old ideas, so out of touch. Made me so happy that Im a liberal democrat.
Okay but by your definition
His BROTHER is in need! And if not him, definitely his aunt who is living in public housing, illegally at that (unless it's been refuted and I missed that part)
All I'm saying is you have to start at home. Family should come first. I would believe him a lot more about taking care of others if I saw him doing that, instead of just trying to tax us to take care of others.
On a side note, why in the heck does someone who makes almost 1M in 2006 get to claim a child care credit? Like they need that.
By definition it is...
a servile (submissive) self-seeking flatterer
Definition of NWO from wikipedia
The term new world order has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. The first usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I. The phrase was used sparingly at the end of the Second World War when describing the plans for the United Nations and Bretton Woods system, in part because of the negative association the phrase would bring to the failed League of Nations. In retrospect however, many commentators have applied the term retroactively to the order put in place by the WWII victors as a new world order. The most recent, and most widely discussed, application of the phrase came at the end of the Cold War. Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and George H.W. Bush used the term to try and define the nature of the post Cold War era, and the spirit of great power cooperation that they hoped might materialize. Gorbachev's initial formulation was wide ranging and idealistic, but his ability to press for it was severely limited by the internal crisis of the Soviet system. Bush's vision was, in comparison, much more circumscribed and pragmatic, perhaps even instrumental at times, and closely linked to the First Gulf War. Perhaps not surprisingly, the perception of what the new world order entailed in the press and in the public imagination far outstripped what either Gorbachev or Bush had outlined, and was characterized by nearly comprehensive optimism.
If your definition is accurate
which I highly dobut then I guess I'm a liberal because I don't pledge blind loyalty to Bush. On the other hand I don't think every word he says is a lie either. I think he is a human capable of human mistakes, but I don't think every problem in the world at this moment is Bush's fault like many on this board do. I think many people are obsessed with the fact there's a conservative in office. It wouldn't matter what their name was Bush or Smith, the obsession would be the same. There are many wacko theories out there on all sorts of issues, but some I have read here take the cake. You don't talk about any other issues other than Bush is fault of everything wrong in this world. To me, liberal or conservative, is a little off the deep end no matter what political ideology you come from.
Do we have a different definition for the word lie?nm
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If you want a definition of racism...
read the creed for Obama's church...and read some of his pastor mentor's sermons...and some of the speeches and quotes of their friend Louis Farrakhan. That, my friend, is the very definition of racism. When you read the creed of the church, substitute the word "white" everywhere the word "black" is used and tell me it is not racist. We do NOT need a racist in the White House.
Liberal: A definition.
1. A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties. 2. A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.
What is the definition of "wind bag"?
Once again, I just skimmed your post. You are much too fond of your own words.
I am pretty succint in my posts. There is no flip flop. I am stating history in black and white. It doesn't come from Common Dreams. I am explicit in sending the links for those to read them if they wish. I don't quote it. I think you got the market cornered on that maneuver.
Not much of value has come out of the coservative sector, from my point of view. All the sustainable social movements have been on a liberal front. It just so happens that we are a small faction and can get very little leverage, but when we do, it is for the benefit of all not just a few. Can the conservative sector say that? I don't think so.
This is not childish. It's political fact. If you makes you feel better to place the blame everywhere, well that's your right.
If you don't like my liberal thoughts or progressive ideas, don't read my posts. Continue to be a sheep.
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