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She cannot possibly raise that child and utilize her master's, though,

Posted By: per your statements, so how do you approve? sm on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: my daughter is getting - BDayes

Certainly you'd never encourage your daughter to spend time working on a MASTER'S while trying to also raise a child!! You've just bashed another mother for doing something similar, so I don't get it. Or is okay if you only have ONE child or what? Please fill me in on the double standard you uphold.

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That's exactly right!! The terrorists seem to utilize the "unexpected" rather than
MC (master criminal) Rove........yep.......nm


Who in the world would want to give birth to a child a child conceived during rape?????..nm
Again:L How many children do you have?
Eugenics and master plans.are equal opportunity
Its all about the source and what their driving agendas may be. Readers who believe in and promote master plan theories based on racial purity would be WAY gullible to be convinced of other conspiracy theories, no matter how idiotic the are. Those of us grounded in reality, not so much.

Scouring the net on the topics you named (especially govt takeovers) speaks for itself. If you cite sources from the whack world, don't expect to be taken too seriously.
Raise the cap for SS deductions.
He will raise taxes for us all.
No way to set up these government programs of his without taking money from all of us.
He HAS to raise taxes, no way around it
All those programs will not appear out of thin air. He will grow government bigger than ever...new departments, more employees for those departments, more of my tax money blown to heck and back. People actually believe ALL this can be done with TAX CUTS!! They are in total denial.

This man have voted REPEATEDLY to NOT NOT NOT cut taxes every darn time it has come up and has pushed for tax INCREASES. For those nonbelievers, all they gotta do is go look at his voting record. It's there for the scrutinizing.

Read his lips.....

He knows people are running scared and he can zoom in and steal their good sense with telling them he will cut taxes. BUT, as soon as he is in office, it won't happen and who will he blame then? Everybody but himself!!! He will not take any responsiblity for that either.
That is exactly what he said. He wants to raise taxes...
on those making $250,000 or more so he can give a check to lower income folks...and a modest tax cut (while letting the Bush tax cuts expire) to the middle class. Have you looked at what we are going to lose if he lets those tax cuts expire? A whole lot more than his little tax cut will make up. He also needs the added taxation to try to help pay for all he wants to do...

The checks he is going to dole out are NOT for everyone. And they will even go to people who pay NO taxes.

THAT is rewarding laziness. That is NOT trying to help people better themselves. Would it not be better to get them a JOB than a one-time gimme check??
because they did not raise him and shape him into what he is -
Does this mean Sarah gets another raise?...LOL

*Unlike President George W. Bush, who threatened to veto the two bills when they came up in the last session of Congress, President-elect Barack Obama has embraced them.*


I can't wait to see who all opposes this bill.  I hope they plaster them all over the news.

The UN is not trying to tell anyone how to raise their kids.
in the idea of addressing global poverty. BTW, you need to do a little boning up yourself on the purpose of the United Nations, what it is, how it works and who benefits before expecting anybody anywhere to engage you in any serious debate on this subject. You have been spending way too much time hanging with the fringe. Trust me on this. There is life after fringe.
Obama has said repeatedly he will RAISE
F: Obama is going to raise MY taxes...
DH and I don't work hard to give to those who can't/don't/won't.
it doesn't take a union to get a pay raise
puhleez lighten up. I do not and will not support unions. At first unions were good. then they got too large and too powerful, corrupt and greedy, and unions were no longer a good thing. They stopped working for the people they were supposed to represent and started working for the benefit of the union itself. My father worked for a company where he had to be in the union. That union wanted more and more of the company (as they always did). Even though many, many of the employees voted against strike, some people did, and the union declared the strike and people walked off their jobs. My dad wanted to work; he was physically assaulted and our car destroyed when he tried to work. Don't call my father a "scab." He was a fine man raising three kids and wanting to work at his own job, which he loved and was proud of. Period. The strike lasted a long time, and the company finally closed its doors when the union would not concede to anything. All of the employees lost their jobs whether they were union supporters or not because of the actions of that union. Now that's why I don't like unions and never will. There used to be a large manufacturing sector here in the midwest. Unions destroyed much of it. They just keep demanding more and more, and many companies simply closed, thus placing 1000s on unemployment. And do you honestly think corruption in the union is okay as long as "he also benefitted American workers?" I never belonged to a union as an MT for 30'some years, and do you think I never got a raise? The hospitals and companies I worked for always paid well and we didn't need a union to do it for us. Actually, I think fear of unions was one of the reasons why. But let's not forget this, union membership is often mandatory so people who work for the organization are forced to be members whether they want to or not. That right there is just wrong. People outside of the union are denied the right to work in many areas. So don't tell me what to "b**ch about." The two items are no mutually inclusive. One can say that their pay has fallen behind and still not want a union involved. Have a little respect for opinions other than yours.

Congress gets a raise - must be nice!

Kudos to Harry Mitchell and the other 34 who at least tried. 

From TheHill.com


A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.


“As lawmakers make a big show of forcing auto executives to accept just $1 a year in salary, they are quietly raiding the vault for their own personal gain,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.”

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Still, Steve Ellis, vice president of the budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Congress should have taken the rare step of freezing its pay, as lawmakers did in 2000.

“Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

Member raises are often characterized as examples of wasteful spending, especially when many constituents and businesses in members’ districts are in financial despair.

Rep. Harry Mitchell, a first-term Democrat from Arizona, sponsored legislation earlier this year that would have prevented the automatic pay adjustments from kicking in for members next year. But the bill, which attracted 34 cosponsors, failed to make it out of committee.

“They don’t even go through the front door. They have it set up so that it’s wired so that you actually have to undo the pay raise rather than vote for a pay raise,” Ellis said.

Freezing congressional salaries is hardly a new idea on Capitol Hill. 

Lawmakers have floated similar proposals in every year dating back to 1995, and long before that. Though the concept of forgoing a raise has attracted some support from more senior members, it is most popular with freshman lawmakers, who are often most vulnerable.

In 2006, after the Republican-led Senate rejected an increase to the minimum wage, Democrats, who had just come to power in the House with a slew of freshmen, vowed to block their own pay raise until the wage increase was passed. The minimum wage was eventually increased and lawmakers received their automatic pay hike.

In the beginning days of 1789, Congress was paid only $6 a day, which would be about $75 daily by modern standards. But by 1965 members were receiving $30,000 a year, which is the modern equivalent of about $195,000.

Currently the average lawmaker makes $169,300 a year, with leadership making slightly more. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) makes $217,400, while the minority and majority leaders in the House and Senate make $188,100.

Ellis said that while freezing the pay increase would be a step in the right direction, it would be better to have it set up so that members would have to take action, and vote, for a pay raise and deal with the consequences, rather than get one automatically.

“It is probably never going to be politically popular to raise Congress’s salary,” he said. “I don’t think you’re going to find taxpayers saying, ‘Yeah I think I should pay my congressman more’.”

How can you possibly know that?!

I am amazed by your psychic abilites!  No one thought Bush would take us down like a rock and how quickly it could be done! 

Quite possibly. But I am sure there would be one...
who could perform just as well who does not have a commercial stake in the outcome of the election.
Possibly s/m
He went over to the "dark side" whatever that means because he uses his head for something besides a hat rack.  Did you happen to notice that he donated the maximum of $2300 to the McCain campaign in the beginning?  Personally I have great respect for Colin Powell and would have voted for him if he were running for the office.  You die hard republicans need to get over yourself and wake up and smell the coffee.  McCain/Palin are NOT good for America.
but I have a feeling if this guy is out mugging people he may just be unintelligent enough to think a backwards B is correct...plus I'm sure if he was on drugs or something he wasn't to concerned about being alphabetically correct.

or possibly
(not saying he is, just an idea) if he is a radical muslim (let us remember not all muslims are radicals!) he was planted in the church for 20 years so everyone would argue that he is a Christian.

Just my conspiracy theory for you :)

I don't know if he is or if he isn't. All I do know is most Christians don't mock the Bible, and if you check out the video on the faith board he does just that. If he had made fun of the Koran or any other religion like that he would have been in BBBIIIGGGG trouble! But it's not hate if it's against Christians!

Just possibly...........
studying pig poop is not such a bad idea when you consider what the methane gas will do to this world once the permafrost melts (which is ongoing) and releases enough methane gas to destroy our planet........scribble it all down to a few sound bytes and it all sounds ridiculous. Keep beating your drum, it served you well in the past election. And who gives a rats about Rush......except maybe you since he is the unofficial leader of the pub party.
Just possibly...........
studying pig poop is not such a bad idea when you consider what the methane gas will do to this world once the permafrost melts (which is ongoing) and releases enough methane gas to destroy our planet........scribble it all down to a few sound bytes and it all sounds ridiculous. Keep beating your drum, it served you well in the past election. And who gives a rats about Rush......except maybe you since he is the unofficial leader of the pub party.
Problem is, the taxes Obama does raise
Yeah, and now put Obama in there to raise taxes
Bottom line....O will raise DH and my taxes, sorry, it's not for

those who are lazy. Try working hard for a change and not expecting the gov't to give you a handout for once. WAAAH, please pay for my healthcare, pay for my kid's college, help me out because I don't want to take responibility for myself, I would rather let the gov't do it all and then when it doesn;t work out, I can blame them too. When O wins I can't wait to see this board in a year with all the people complaining about the broken promises, higher taxes, etc. It will be worth the wait.

Why do you think that Hillary and McCain did not raise the B/C issue?

Do you think maybe it is because there was no merit to it and everyone knew it?  The people who were most directly affected by it are not saying anything about it - the other presidential candidates...

So, honest opinion, why are they not whooping and hollering?

Oh please....how sexist can you possibly be???
She governed when she was pregnant with the child and she was back at work soon after. If you had watched her speech, you see she has a wonderful support system in her husband and her older daughter. Are you really saying a woman is incapable of taking care of her family and running the country and a man is? Simply by virtue of their sex?

Alaska is not a small state. It is more than twice the size of Texas.

If McCain keeled over two days after they took office (God forbid!), we would still have a President with more experience in executive office than we will have Obama is elected on day 1.

That is simply the fact. He will need multiple advisors, she would need multiple advisors. There is nothing in his resume that says he is more qualified to lead, and govern, than she is.

And she is not running for the #1...he is.
You cannot possibly be that ignorant.....
Teenagers have been raising babies since the beginning of time. Only until the last few decades has it been scoffed at that a teenager should have a baby and NO, I don't encourage any young person to go that route before they finish school and hopefully go on to college or at least, find a spouse first and then have a child. In an ideal world, that is the route I would wish for them all.

But in Bristol's case, my point was, and you know it, that I doubt very seriously I will have to support her and her child. Do I want 12-even 17 year olds having babies? No, but I can GUARANTEE you because I see it in my community EVERYDAY, that if they are working to raise their own child and I mean truly out there WORKING and not sitting on their behinds letting me pay for their child, they more than likely will have learned a very valuable lesson in life about raising a child and will in all likelihood not be so fast to have another one.

But, when those teenagers who take no responsibility continue to have one child after another and they are ALL on the taxpayer's payroll, you better believe they have no business with a baby.

What business is it of yours if a teenager has a baby if you're not having to pay for it womb to whenever??

Strong, possibly. But was I saw most was

I could not possibly agree with you more
about rewarding laziness.  However, if you REALLY listen, that is NOT what Obama is proposing.  He is proposing to tax those with more wealth (seems fair to me) in order to take some of the burden off the middle class....which is probably you, I know it is ME.  Not a word have I  heard him speak about rewarding laziness.  I expect he worked pretty hard to get where he is so I can't imagine why he would want to give what he worked for himself to other people who are too lazy to put forth any effort.  Makes absolutely no sense to me.
And it couldn't possibly have anything to do...(sm)

with the fact that we've lost around 3 million jobs this year, and the rate of job losses is not slowing down?  Do yourself a favor.  When you get that check in the mail from the government that you so disagree with, why don't you just send it back with a note saying *Thanks, but no thanks.  I prefer to wait for the trickle.*  I'm sure you'll feel much better about yourself then.

I really find it hard to understand why people like yourself fight so hard against policies that would benefit you.  In case you haven't noticed, the stimulus plan he is proposing IS the middle class bailout.  How many times on this board did pubs say *where's my bailout* during the first bailout?  And now those same people are turning their noses up and trying to act like they are above it simply because a pub isn't the one who is trying to fix this mess.

It's not the economy that's killing this nation.  It's people like you who would rather divide the country than accept the reality that the other side might actually have a good idea.  Nixon would be so proud.

You cannot possibly watch FOX and say that.
This is possibly the most disorganized
ramble I've ever read on this board.  I truly cannot figure out what you are trying to say. 
Could you possibly be any more bitter and hateful? sm
I see your posts all over.  You just posted on the conservative board but didn't have the nerve to put your usual "gt" signature.  I have never seen someone so totally consumed with bitterness, rage and, well, just plain ugliness. 
Oh, for Heaven's sakes.....you can't possibly
There are a LOT of good parents whose son/daughter couldn't control their hormones at age 17 and YOUNGER. When my children were teenagers, I couldn't follow them around all day and night. They heard me talk year after year about the consequences of having sex too early, even if they thought they had it under control. That's all I could do. I would ask where they would be, who with, and give them a time I expected them home or ELSE, but look sister, we all know things can get heated up very fast and it doesn't take but ONE time and a couple of minutes to get pregnant. I am relieved my daughter didn't find herself in that situation and I hope and pray my 20 something son won't either. He knows our feelings and we hope he acts responsibly.

Do you have children or teenagers and if so, do you follow them around all day, every minute of the day, even when you think they are where they say they are? I doubt it.

The young lady will have to deal with her decision and hopefully, her younger sisters will also learn from this.....don't go this route. That certainly doesn't mean I would give up on the mother. I do know good mothers whose daughters got pregnant and it did come as a shock, but I didn't automatically think, wow, what a terrible mother.
Possibly, but I certainly have not heard McCain
say one word reprimanding these people - which in essence says a lot.
No, but I am aware of possibly 1000s
of democrats being registered to vote who do not have the legal right to vote, people who don't even exist. Suppression, are you kidding?
What can he possibly hope to gain by
showcasing his own hypocrisy? This will not be the last time we will see obstructive partisan tactics from sore losers whose eyes stay trained on the next election cycle. These types strive to undermine any progress that can be made on behalf of the voters to further their own self-serving interests.

If there is no provision in election protocol to account for this specific circumstance, then the logical step would be to create one for next time, not to filibuster in an attempt to strip Minnesota voters of representation for some undetermined period of time. This is probably not the best of strategies for a party who lost 7 (and probably 8) senate seats, and will be sitting with 58 or 59 dems and 2 independents who have tendencies to lean toward the dems.

Being from Texas, I can tell you that sucking up will not come easy for John Cornyn, but I say let him show his true colors. He'll ultimately end up cutting off his nose to spite his own face.
What the chart shows is that Obama is going to raise taxes on the people....
who employ the people in the other brackets. Trickle down will not be beneficial. What is wrong with giving the middle class a break? They are already supporting most of the lower class anyway. THe lower class already pay next to nothing in taxes. Oh I forgot...economic parity, redistribution of wealth....good old Marxist values.
Roland Burris aknowledes trying to raise money for Blago

He claimed there was nothing going on but he just dropped the bombshell as O was speaking stating he can recall 6 different contacts and is now under investigation.

Guess he's gonna be gone. He may have committed perjury.


Pure entertainment (or possibly not) see link inside...

She's going to talk to police and possibly make public statment tmrw
Will be interesting. I'm sure we'll know soon enough if this story is true.
A CIA agent who needs to have her identity remain anonymous in order to possibly save her life. And
I've got a question for the lefties. How are we supposed to elicit valuable, possibly life-savin

information from a terrorist if we don't use enhanced interrogation techniques?  What do you suggest?  We serve them a buffet and politely ask what their next target is?  And when they refuse to talk, we just say well, thanks anyway, go with Allah?

Enhanced interrogation techniques or torture, if you will, is a necessary evil in this perpetually dark and dangerous world we live in. 

oh yea... not a child...
even though before most know they are pregnant the heart is already beating...

I haven't seen the video, I don't think I need to because I myself will never have an abortion, but just like any procedure I would have done I would think I would want to know what it involves so you maybe someone having it should watch it!
I bet your child gives you

great joy. I am happy that you found a career where you can be home with your child.  The anti-choice people seem to think as long as every child is BORN things are okay.  It is the caring for them after they are born that does not seem too important to them.


If your child goes to an OB/GYN
or planned parenthood and does not want you to even know about the visit, she only has to fill out a small amount of paperwork and the state will pay for the visit--in California, anyway.
Why does a child
play with matches after a parent forbids it? To see if they can get away with it. ;-)
Were you ignored as a child?
You are a child who cannot understand....

if you are Liberal, post on the Liberals board, etc. 

So you take this to mean that you should continually harass the liberal board when you are obviously a con? 

And as far as libs posting on the con board, prior to recently it was pretty darn quiet.  And we libs are no match for your uncouth and wretched posts for sheer cruel intent.  No match at all, in general.

I would also tell you the same thing I told my kids when they were little, just because so-and-so is doing it doesn't make it right.  So when you run crying that libs are posting on the con board, it still doesn't make it right - for you or anyone else.  So get out of a 6year-old mentality.  Or are you a 6yearold?