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Why not stay safe AND support the US economy

Posted By: by spending Spr. Break at a US resort? on 2009-02-26
In Reply to: Anyone else going to Cancun for Spring Break and concerned about current safety concerns - Cancundreaming

San Diego, Santa Barbara, Santa Monica/Venice Beach, LA Jolla, Pismo Beach, etc.

Also early spring is the best time to see the Grand Canyon, Southwest, etc., before it gets hot, and the hordes of tourist busses arrive.


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economy
This will be worse than the great depression and it will be better for the planet when we are done, not just for America this time. I believe the recovery will stem from the green energy movement to reduce global warming. I believe the whole world will have a common goal to stop global warming and come together in a way that will benefit our children and future generations. I believe that anyone under 30 will thrive and anyone over 30 will sacrifice, work hard and be tossed aside. The people who think this is the end of the world are just lazy, not pessimistic. That would be great if there was a magic wand, but the truth is the greedy have been in charge a long time and we have to clean up the mess. I feel very happy about that actually. It is better than sitting around waiting for nothing to happen, for bad people to manipulate good people for money and treat people like cattle. It is time for us to take back our country, our planet, our neighborhoods and our future. I am very hopeful!
Economy
I disagree with the above poster who says the over 30 will sacrifice, work hard and be tossed aside. As an older female I will be getting social security which I doubt will be around for those under 30, my property taxes will be slashed as an older person, I benefit from many reductions in movies, dinners, etc for the present time. If things do not turn around, these things might be reduced and/or taken away. I am not worried about this being like the great depression. I think the people taking care of this now are highly competent to turn all this around.
I know the economy is bad but....
The cat is being too dramatic, image below.
The economy is so bad

1. I went to buy a toaster oven and they gave me a bank.


2. I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.


3. CEO's are now playing miniature golf.


4. Hotwheels and Matchbox cars are now trading higher than GM.


5. Obama met with small businesses - GE, Pfizer, Chrysler, Citigroup and
GM, to discuss the Stimulus Package.


6. McDonalds is selling the 1/4 ouncer.


7. People in Beverly Hills fired their nannies and learned their
children's names.


8. The most highly-paid job is now jury duty.


9. People in Africa are donating money to Americans. Mothers in Ethiopia
are telling their kids, "finish your plate; do you know how many kids are
starving in the US?"


10. Motel Six won't leave the lights on.


11. The Mafia is laying off judges.


12. If the bank returns your check marked "insufficient funds," you have
to call them and ask if they meant you or them.


Are you worried about our economy?
so many jobs moved offshore, banks failing, mortgages being defaulted on. It's got me a little worried.
I am so sick about the the economy

All those people on TV are talking about a 400.00 or more increse in their mortgages. They spent over 600.00 a month on extras. This was on Operah. I can't believe that these people don't have a clue.


Between the 400.00 and the 600.00 on extras...that is what I get in one month.


I have cut back as much as I thin is possible and it is still difficult to make ends meet. I even have went so far as to unplup everything that I am not using.


How do you cope?


In this economy and this profession
this is really good to know.
Use the economy as an excuse

How about using the economy as an excuse?   You could phrase it that you don't want her to spend her money or something like that.  She may seem to enjoy it, but she might jump at the chance to cut one thing out of a crazy shopping season.


Good luck.  My family and I stopped exchanging gifts years ago.  None of my brothers or sisters have kids and we all decided that we were broke and stressed and just didn't need to do it.  It's made Chrismtas much more relaxing.  We just get together for a nice dinner and have a good time.


How the medical economy works

You obviously do not understand how the medical economy works (smiles and winks).  Docs love seeing patients once a year when they already know whats wrong (usually not much).  It's easy money just like it is when we get a standard dictation.  Since insurance will pay for it, they order all kinds of lab tests and maybe some imaging - you know, screening just in case - so they don't actually have to take the time to ask you if something is bothering you or listen to what you tell them.  That takes too much time, and time is money.  This also keeps the labs and imaging services in business (some of which the docs have invested in).  When it comes to drugs, they do not want you using the old tried and true.  That sucker is off patent and can be bought cheap and sometimes OTC with no prescription and office visit required.  No, they want to give you the latest thing that is still on patent and costs a bundle.  That's medical planned obsolescence, maybe because the docs invest in the drug companies, too.


If you remember the names of the other creams that have worked, you could try running them past a pharmacist.  He/She should be able to tell you if any are available OTC.


Re: Those economy-stimulation checks - sm


I still haven't gotten mine, and will believe it when I have it in my hand.  Worse, I just got one of those "Return Information Notices" in the mail.  Well, guess what?  The state of Calif. did a little number-rearranging, (or should I maybe call it "fuzzy math"?), and my state income tax refund has been changed from over $300 down to ZERO.  When you call the number on the website, and finally get a live person to help, they very helpfully refer you to "someone who can go over it with you", and then the system tells you it's too busy, and hangs up on you! 


And get THIS:  The actually had a LOWER taxable income than I had calculated.  So how do they figure I am suddenly owed NO refund?  It sure sounds like that's how the gov't. is funding those economic stimulus checks.  Like I'm really sure that gypping us like that is going to create an economic stimulus. 


Looks like once again, this Calif. taxpayer has been Californicated


 


 


so with the current state of the economy
Banks aren't safe anymore...I think i would buy up lots of $100,000 homes and rent them out...since the forclosure rate is so high more people wil be renting.  Then when the economy turns back around I can sell my property.  Better than putting money in the bank!
Scare tactics and the economy ? sm
Anyone else experiencing people using the current economic crisis as an "end of the world" prediction? I would have used the "OTHER" board but some of these people are too "out there." We have a few members of our family scaring the heck out of the kids in the family that this is the "end" and you know the rest. Supposedly we're only going to be here until 2012 and then it's "all over" so they better give up their wordly ways and follow them. I'm so sick of it, I feel that this is the time for all of us to band together and ride out the storm. I'm tired of people trying to "steal" my kids' minds. How do you shut these people up? Some of them are on that "social" network, assembling the family together so we can all share our resources and band together for the big coming of the end. I'm just so very upset right now -- isn't it bad enough that we are struggling. I think things will get better as we get more and more into a stable financial picture. We were just living "too high on the hog" and things will get better. I don't think we're all going to perish. Why can't we just try to be happy and get through it? Why can't it be a new beginning instead of the saved vs. the unsaved and the "end" coming?
Oh good. We do try to be as conservative as possible when it comes to fuel economy.
Not just for environmental impact, but it is financially essential these days. Thankfully, our rig runs on gasoline instead of diesel, but we are still keeping an eye on cost and may have to consider at least a semi-permanent location. Before we started this adventure, we agreed when fuel and site rental costs more than a house payment monthly, we would might just blindfold ourselves, pick a page in the atlas, and toss a dart to pick our new hometown. Unfortunately, that may happen.

Better safe then sorry
I support your reaction/action to the situation. It would seem to me that the FBI would not prosecute, and the court would not find him guilty, if it was sent to him in error. Be supportive to your daughter's friend's mother - but hold firm. Women's intuition is generally correct.
Did I say anything about not being safe?

That wasn't even the point of the OP.  She wanted to know about in-laws or anyone else just walking in without knocking.  My family and friends don't have to knock before they come my house.  That was my point.


I live in a rural area that I grew up in, everyone knows everyone else.  I have a nice, loud watch dog who lets me know when anyone is around.  The windows are locked.  The doors are locked at night and when we leave the house.  I know what kind of a world we live in.  The Pony Express brings the paper every couple of weeks back to the sticks.  I try to stay informed. 


Better Safe Than Sorry
Better to be safe than sorry, especially with beef -- that can be a very bad GI problem if the beef has gone bad with bacteria.

Happy New Year!!
is there nothing safe?
How can any of you get so excited and downright mean about something as basic as a vitamin question? Gee whiz, it's just a discussion board. So contentious.
Good advice. In this economy, lay low. Sounds like a PT job may be in order to increase income. (
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Um, with the economy in shambles, I kinda have a problem with her wearing a pair of $500 shoes!
Her hubbie talks about Americans become financially responsible and she's walking around in a pair of sneakers that would cover my rent!
Can't make them safe.
A 14 year old I know was killed on his bike a few weeks ago.  You can't make them live in a bubble.  I will pay for my kids insurance and their cars.  Of course they will have rules, although our state has plenty as it is for young drivers.  I will teach them to be responsible drivers, walkers, bike riders, etc.  Just because life can be hard, doesn't mean you have to make it be harder.  I moved out of my parents house just before my 15th birthday and took care of myself.  While it can be done, it doesn't always have to be.
If they kids are safe there - just let it go.
Some families do holidays as major events. If the stepmom and her family are half descent people and the kids are safe there then don't worry about it. :)


Oh, no. The dog is here, safe and sound.

A little on the bossy side with my dogs, but...LOL!  She's here and everyone is getting along for the most part. 


She needs to learn about safe sex. Either you SM
discuss this with her or, better yet, see doctor and have her given some form of birth control. I think this is imperative. If she is having sex, I don't think she is going to stop. You somehow have to convince her to act responsibly. Condoms would be the best thing.


SAFE HAVEN LAW

Wow, this just blows me away.  Last year or early this year a mother aged 17 or 18 gave birth to her 2nd child without parents or anyone for that matter knowing she was pregnant.  She walked into an Omaha Hospital and left her child in a restroom and walked out.  Please note at that time Nebraska was the ONLY state which did not have a safe haven law on the books.  It was pushed through shortly after and is now a law FINALLY.  Which is good because now mothers, who do not want to or cannot take care of their children have a safe place to take them without being in trouble for doing so. 


Well, to my understanding this law (NE only), does not have an age limit as to how old the chid can be when dropped off at the hospital.  Other states have it cut off at 14 but none have ever seen a child OVER 3.  This information came from a radio show about the new law yesterday.  Since the law was put in place a mother dropped off an 11 year old, a different family  dropped off a 9 year old and this mornings news has the following



















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Girl, 13, Abandoned At Omaha Hospital


State Takes Custody Of Teen Under Safe Haven Law



POSTED: 5:13 pm CDT September 20, 2008

UPDATED: 5:23 pm CDT September 20, 2008






The state has taken temporary custody of a teenage girl who was dropped off at an Omaha hospital Saturday under Nebraska's new safe haven law.

A representative from the state Department of Health and Human Services said the girl, 13, was left at Immanuel Hospital around midday. No other details were released.

The girl was the third child dropped off at Nebraska hospitals in the past week.











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The state's safe haven law took effect in July and allows parents to abandon children at hospitals and other locations. The law does not set a minimum age after which a child can't be left without prosecution.


 


Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  I agree with the law all the way.  I am just concerned about the after shock of having an older child dropped off at the ages stated above, what kind of damage is that doing to the child?  I do not agree with child abuse and know that older children are abused all the time but is there not another way we could deal with this? 


Just wondering what everyone else was thinking. 


It is already from a safe contact
I can open all mail, but where pics should be (and were before hotmail changed the look) are just boxes. It isn't just from one contact, but from all my contacts that I used to receive pics from. Now what? I sent an email to the contact site, but they have not answered me yet.
This one is completely fail-safe:
It's expensive. It's bad for your health. DUI's are expensive. AND, in 2008, if you're DUI and kill someone, you can be charged with MURDER, instead of merely vehicular manslaughter.

So I'm havin' a Coke, staying sober, and hopefully I'll live to enjoy yet another year.
my kids had a safe haven to come sm
home to and they knew it and still know it. They have come back twice when times were tough and we didn't charge them a dime until they got on their feet in a couple months. I just think is an injustice to not charge them at all and let them go and do as they please when working and not going to school. You don't get to blow your money as you please as an adult, why should they if they are not in school?
Abstinence is not Birth Control, it is SAFE SEX.
Abstinence is truly the only SAFE SEX....but it is NOT considered birth control........
Here's a couple of safe pet food sites.....

http://www.flintriver.com/


http://www.petpromiseinc.com/
I hope your family stays safe. It looks really bad.
I hope they decide not to ride it out though. I have been watching on TV all day. Senator Kay Baily Hutchinson was just on Fox News and she believes Galveston is going to be underwater due to the storm surge. Not sure where your family is, but hopefully they thought better about staying and left.
Good grief, they deserve a safe sm
plce to live! They are not going to remember the big house, etc when they are grown. They WILL remember the abuse you subjected them to and did not get out.
So you think cell phones are safe? This is troubling!
This is probably what it does to our brain power - like putting your head in a microwave, 

 Click on POPCORN   or the link


Glad your son is safe and sound. Prayers to those who aren't. nm
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Oh my word! Talk about timing - I know you are glad that he is safe sm
and I am so glad for you. Praise God. I had absolutely NO idea that many were killed. Today was a no-tv day for me so I had no idea of the death toll. Count your blessings. I know you are. And yes, how tragically sad for those left behind. so senseless....I am so sad now.

:(
Hope you are safe in the Midwest with the terrible storms..
that are ravaging the area. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your families.
Kids want/need bounderies. Makes them feel safe
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Actually, relatives in suburban PA don't lock either and I feel safe there, roo. sm
But i would not feel safe in my own home unlocked, even though I'm in a gated community with tons of outside lights, etc. For some reason I feel safe in someone else's house more than my own.
Is it safe to drink unopened canned items
That have been refrigerated for a couple weeks. Found a can of pineapple juice my husband put in the refrigerator a couple weeks ago, but didn't open. I know it's not safe to put open cans in the refrigerator, not sure about something that has not been opened yet.
I have relatives in fairly rural Maine who never lock, and I feel totally safe there. nm
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Thanks for the support.
I understand exactly where you are coming from. You don't see atheists walking around and knocking on other people's doors. I have friends who are Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Episcopalian, Atheist, Agnostic, and even Wiccan, so whose religion is "right?"
thanks, but what is HP support?
i've been kinda worried about this little error message...apprec the info.
what is HP Support
Sorry about the HP Support. It is Hewlett Packard. I was just having a moment and should have just said to email support at whatever brand of computer you owned.

I had this same problem with my Dell computer also and had no clue it was just an update I needed to do since adding security. I did this since grandchildren will be visiting and didn't want them getting into my files, uninstalling programs or anything else; won't have to sit and watch them 24/7 while playing games on one of my computers. Anyway, you're more than welcome.
Thanks . . . for your support
nm
SUPPORT
I barely weigh 110 pounds and that is with my clothes and shoes with something else in my pocket.....You have my support....
support
Whether I spoke or not has nothing to do with it.....when I was 16, I only weighed about 95 pounds..I am just thin, small, petite and have been so all of my life......I was just trying to give support to anyone who is trying to lose weight if they are determined to do....did not mean to offend anyone.....a person can accomplish anything they have their mind set on when they have a lot of support to do so.....THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY......
What do you mean she does not support herself

Is she on welfare?  Does she freeload off her parents or other relatives?  I think not.


I've read her other posts and yes she stated her husband has a good job.  Does that mean she does not support herself.  I think not.  YOUR OPINION IS INAPPROPRIATE. 


I have been married for many years.  Some years I had a taxable income and other years I did not.  I did, however, support my husband by cooking, cleaning, taking care of the children, etc.  I take offense to your insinuation that just because someone's spouse makes a good living that makes the other spouse's contributions insignificant.  Thank goodness the IRS doesn't see it your way, hence, the filing jointly box.


Thanks for your support sm
The subject just hit a nerve and I think this girl has a legitimate complaint and her Mom needs help. I just hate my new situation, all brought on by switching churches and that's a shame!  I love them so much and I think my DIL just needs to lighten up with her new church who are very anti-Catholic. I truly never talk about religion or any private matters, just get down on the floor and get busy playing. There is really no comparison to the OP situation, I wouldn't tolerate that either. Sounds like her mom is taking the Bible out of context - a lot of that going around these days!! God would be very upset with it all - family is so important, I can't stand that a church family has taken the place of the biological family. Nobody wins, everybody loses. The original poster has my heartfelt sympathy, that's no way to talk to kids, they are blank slates and we shouldn't fill them up with nonsense in their little brains. Sorry for the raw edges, sensitive lately.
My support also.........nm
nm
i need some emotional support

Not sure how much of DH yelling I can take.  I work 2 jobs.  Yesterday I had to put in 5 hours for one.  DH is supposed to help with the kids.  Well, his level of helping yesterday was just sitting in his chair and yelling at them to stop doing this or that.  He said about 5 times that my 15-mo had a dirty diaper.  I had the attitude like “well go change it, I am working.”  He never changed it and I don’t know how long she stayed in that dirty diaper but by the time I got to changing her, she was red.  Then I went to help my 5 year old with her Valentines.  She did 20 Valentines and she insisted on doing them herself. It took her 2 hours but she did it all.   I was proud of her and amazed.  Dh kept hollering for us to get through because he wanted some Ice cream.  I told him since he can drive he can go get it himself.  He got mad and started yelling.  My 15 MO kept bothering us.  I got some toys to try to help distract her and it would work for a little bit but then she would pester us some more.  I told dh to keep her distracted and he shouted “WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO.”  WHY ARE YOU ACTING THIS WAY?  WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?   I told dh that she acts like she is hungry, has she had anything to eat.  “she has been eating popcorn all after noon”  I knew better than to ask him anymore so I got up and started to go find her something to eat and he yelled “SIT DOWN”  and gave me a look that could kill. 


 


I told dh that I just don’t know how to deal with him anymore.  I feel he is angry with me or resentful.  When we first got married, his Mommy was practically sleeping in between us. She balanced our check book, she went through or mail to see what bills had to be paid, still does, she has to know everything about what we are doing.  She and dh are best friends.  MIL went on all the vacations with us and it was always where dh wanted to go and MIL always loved where dh wanted to go.   When I had the kids, it had to be all about her.  I told dh thiat if this sick business did not stop, I was leaving.  It stopped.  Poor MIL don’t get to see her DGK anymore.  Boo hoo hoo, (coming from dh and MIL).  I am so mean.   This is all another story. 


 


One minute dh says he loves me, then next he treats me like this.  My family, unfortunately, loves dh.  He doesn’t act like this around them.  He is no niceeee and MIL is so niceeee.


 


I have to go.  I got to get my kids up and ready for school.


Emotional support
Sounds like you are carrying the load yourself. It's amazing how men are so insensitive and wrapped up in themselves. You basically have to hit them over the head with a baseball bat to get any sense into them. Obviously, if you were working and you have little ones running around and needing care, how hard can it be for him to jump in there and do what needs to be done? Hang in there. Maybe you can try talking to him and spelling out for him what you expect from him when you are working, especially with the kids. Good luck!
Thanks for the support for those who gave it.
I don't feel I need to answer "Jessie" anymore.