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Comment about New Orleans and Ray Nagin, the Mayor...sm

Posted By: Dancin Shoes on 2005-09-04
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I just read below that a lot of you believe that Ray Nagin is a "hero" for speaking his mind, etc.  My DH just told me this morning that he read the evacuation plans for New Orleans and what the city and its leaders (Nagin being the main leader) were supposed to do in the event of a hurricane, flood, etc.  The manual stated that ALL public transportation was to be used to but the elderly, sick, poor, and those unable to get out to higher ground until the storm or catastrophe passed.  He did not do that. He got on tv and told those to get out. No public transportation or school buses were used to get these people out. 


I hate to judge, but I just cannot help but think that this guy is all talk and no action?  I don't know, sure does sound like it to me.  I too thought he was awesome, until my husband explained the evacuation procedures and how the city did nothing but warn of people to get out - and did not help them....


I know, sounds like the blame game and I am sorry if it sounds like I'm blaming.  I just can't help but state this when now the facts are coming to light.




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Nagin of New Orleans, no hero
Not only did he not use school buses, and all public transportation to get his people out of the city, they did not even transport jail prisoners out of the city, they waited until the flood then opened the jails and let the prisoners out on the street. Nagin may run his mouth in public, but is no hero. He will blame anyone he can, other than himself, who is at the root of the problem. Even had the audacity to say, "because of their color". Get real. Who would have thought so may thousands of people would stay there and not evacuate? It was his job to see that people got out, and he FAILED miserably.
Nagin
I was wondering about them not providing buses etc to get people out that could not get out because of one reason or another. After all the Gov of LA said there was mandatory evacuation. If they could not get out they should have been provided transportation to get out. She is responsible too!
Listen to this sound file. Nagin
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

If these people were part of Georgie's "Base---the haves and have mores" this wouldn't have happened. You can bet on it.


Ray Nagin is the one who showed true compassion
Tell it like it is..Thank you.  So much ragging on the Mayor of New Orleans, please, point the finger where it belongs.  This disaster could not have been taken care of by local govt alone.  We needed the feds to step in.  The president was on the TV two days before the hurricane warning it was gonna be a bad one.  Well, if we all knew that, there should have been planes and ships already loaded up and ready to move down to the gulf the minute the storm abated.  If anyone is showing true compassion, it is Rag Nagin.  If you ask me, FEMA did not do it's job.
I'm not angry when I say this about the mayor - sm
The mayor kept telling people to leave over and over and over again. He stated that he knew thousands did not have cars. He even said "this is the real thing, folks." Why didn't he provide school buses or city buses to get these people out - just take a few belongings, get on the bus, and get out of the city.


Did your husband know that the plans the mayor of NO used

were the same plans that were specified by the Department of Homeland Security when they did a simulation of this disaster in the 4 years prior?  When FEMA was absorbed by the DHS, they did simulations of events like hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.  In their simulation called Hurricane Pam, which was only simulated as a category 3, they said that the only place available as a shelter in this type of storm was the Superdome.  They studied this for years.  The mayor followed their recommendations.


As far as buses being available, the mayor made the public transportation system available for free but that was only inside the city of N.O.  He can't make private sector transportation services provide free transportation OUT of the city and then, again, he could have used the public transportation and the school bus system to transport them out of the city, but to where?  These people had no money - where were they going to go?  The only option the mayor had was to use the recommendations of the DHS and house them in the Superdome.  What other city was available in Louisiana that would have housed hundreds of thousands of people in shelters designed to withstand a category 4 (possibly 5) storm?  There was none. 


There was an article published yesterday in which many administration officials described how FEMA would work since it was absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security and what the responsibilities would be if the president declared any disaster an incident of national significance.  It was an excellent article and very eye-opening.   FEMA isn't the FEMA we knew from years ago that could act independently and at a quicker pace.


and he as mayor of that city had no responsibility at all?
Such convoluted logic. Believe me, he's doing a great job of pointing the finger of blame and ducking responsibility on his own without any help from you.
Mayor NO followed NONE of the procedures he was supposed to
Heard this on the radio.  There are certain steps in the city emergency procedures that are to be followed on a local level, state level, national level.   The mayor of NO for all his complaining about the Federal Government, did not follow any of the procedures he was required to.  Interesting.
I think it was the mayor of Fort Lauderdale that I saw on TV.
He was going through where people could go for shelter, etc, how the government was prepared. BUT, he also POINTED OUT that it is an individual's RESPONSIBILITY to PREPARE for themselves. C'mon PEOPLE, RESPONSIBILITY is an individual thing. Why does everyone expect the GOVERNMENT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM instead of PREPARING for THEMSELVES! This is probably the BIGGEST PROBLEM with America today. PEOPLE DO NOT WAHT TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. It's so much easier to expect others to do it and complain and whine when they don't get what they EXPECT. THIS IS TRULY SAD FOR AMERICA!
Maybe ALL the tourists didn't have access to the mayor
Yeah, he's a regular Rudy Guiliani isn't he? You don't have a clue.
Don't forget the "good Mayor" who did not follow standard emergency procedures
But he sure is quick to throw blame on everyone else. 
Anyone from New Orleans?

My son and two other friends doing. Staying in the Cotton Exchange Hotel on Carondelet St in French Quarters. I found this on the internet (after days of searching for an opening), so I hope I have at least gotten them a decent room. Just wondering if anyone knew of this hotel and any suggestions for nice places to eat, etc. (All 20 years olds and never been there)


 


Anyone STILL in New Orleans???

If so, GET THE HECK OUT! We don't want any MT's to become statistics. Hurricane is a comin'.....


New Orleans
New Orleans is such a beautiful city.  I have visited it twice and always had it in my mind that I would like to live there one day.  For a long time, there have been stories that if a big hurricaine hit, it could devastate New Orleans because it is below sea level.  I can remember driving alongside the gulf with all the old mansions right at the shore.  I am so sad and certainly upset for New Orleans.  Does not look like anything good can happen to alter the catastrophe that we are all watching unfold.  It is heading right for the metropolitan area of New Orleans.  Geez..
New Orleans
According to CNN, the Lake Pont. levee has breached. The mayor NO now says the city is 80% flooded with water 20 feet deep in places. It tears your heart out to think about that. I wonder if anyone got trapped in that? I pray to God not.
New Orleans...
I don't know about U guys but I'm finding it a lot harder these days to complain about the usual stuff I tend to complain about - bad dictators, bad companies, bad hair days, etc...every time I start feeling sorry for myself the words "New Orleans" keep popping into my mind - and the complaining stops. Those poor souls...
S.O.S in New Orleans...
How ridiculous is it that the mayor of a major US city has to send out an S.O.S for help to Bush?? Thousands of people are literally dying on the streets but where are the troops? Iraq, of course, 50 million miles away. Lord help us all until January 2009...
New Orleans
I have been watching CNN a lot this past weekend. The Mayor from N.O was very angry. No one sent buses or any kind of transportation to get the sick and poor people out of N.O. Wal-Mart was turned away two days before the storm by FEMA with a tractor trailer full of water, FEMA said we don't need it. Diesel fuel turned away by FEMA - we don't need it. Two gentlemen were on Meet the Press yesterday morning and they said not one piece of debris or rebuilding of homes should be done in N.O. until they rebuild the city to make it above sea level, which they have been told about by experts for the past 13 years that a grade 5 storm would do this exact thing to N.O. If they rebuild it as it is now, the same thing will happen all over again. Washington has known about N.O. problems for the past 8 years and nothing has been done. I don't know who is at fault, but there was a lack of communication somewhere by someone. One gentleman said FEMA should not be a part of another agency but should be on its own like it was years ago. But of course if you take funding away from the Army Corps of Engineers in the amount of 13 million or so, your hands are tied on what projects can be done. They said the city can be rebuilt the right way, but the cost is in the billions. I just know that because someone did not do something right there are millions suffering, hundreds dead and the rest of the world cannot believe that the U.S. took so long to help out these poor people with food and water. It just breaks your heart. I do hope that they don't just start rebuilding the city of N.O. below sea level and have this happen again, maybe not this year but with mother nature, could happen at any time.
I work in New Orleans

I'm not familiar with that particular hotel, but I would imagine anything on Carondolet Street should be decent.  Just make sure they stick together and stay where people are.  Essence Festival is this week, so should be pretty crowded.  As in any major city, there are definitely areas they should not venture into, and I'm sure the hotel concierge can help with that, as well as restaurants (there are many  excellent restaurants in the area!).  I hope they get to experience many of the great things about this city while they are here.


Animals need help in New Orleans
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Anybody want to help the animals in New Orleans, just go to the below link and check out what you can do, many many displaced animals there that need your help.

https://www.bestfriends.org/donate/index.cfm
Rebuilding New Orleans
No.
I think the smell would be better in New Orleans
No thanks.
Or New Orleans! or Mississippi!
!
I wondered if your NOLA = New Orleans LA!

Yes, I agree, I think that is not a bad wage for my area.  I work for a medical school in NOLA (hint: Go Green Wave ) as my FT job, but transcription is not my primary job.  I honestly couldn't do transcription FT every day!  My hat goes off to all who do though.


My primary account is in New Orleans
They aren't dictating.  They don't need transcription help.  I need work, but I'm not whining.  At least I have a dry home!!!
Looking for an MT friend that was in New Orleans area...
Angelique...are you okay??  I wish i could hear from you and know if you are okay.  I have prayed for you since the day the storm hit.  I had talked to you 3 days prior and I am sad I didn't have time to say hi a bit a longer.  I miss talking with you dearly!  Please tell me you are okay.  I have tried to email you, but to no avail...this is the only place I could think to try.  If anyone knows Angelique please tell me if you know anything!!
IS IT SENSIBLE TO REBUILD NEW ORLEANS BELOW SEA LEVEL
No.
I hold New Orleans totally to blame

They knew they had a city under sea level. They knew the levees could only withstand a Category 3 hurricane. They had three days to get enough food and water into the Superdome.


Need I go on?


relocate to higher ground! New New Orleans! :) (NM)
no
Watching CNN - New Orleans. See people walking through water (sm)
A thought comes to mind.  I would be afraid to just walk around in the water.  Isn't there a chance that either sharks or gators could have come inland with the water? 
New Orleans not only below sea level but sinking 1 more inch a year.
nm
The political people knew what could happen if a hurricane hit New Orleans. sm
after 9/11 they diverted the money for the war.  One should not take money from one project to do another.  This tragedy didn't make any sense and there are some people on the political board that says its the mayor fault.  What a joke.
it IS the mayor's fault and it IS Kathleen Blanco's fault
to assess the potential damage and what help they have immediately available in their area. They are then responsible for contacting the feds for more aid BEFORE the fact if they truly know their geography, economics, and have a weather advisory board on hand for such purposes, which they DO.

The mayor and the governor did not do any of this and now as the general consensus of the liberal loonies always turns, if you drop the ball and don't take responsibility for what you're expected to know how to do in your elected office, BLAME BUSH.

Stupid is as stupid does.
QA comment
I just wanted to say a few things from the world of QA. There are some MTs who get dictators the likes of which I just cannot even describe as far as ESLs. Oh my. My heart just bleeds for you all - I mean it.  I don't know how you do it, the dictators are that awful. But most of you MTs who get these language-murdering dictators struggle and persevere thru usually endless reports.  It IS noticed, though you might think its not.  Not that peon QA people can do anything for you, but I do notice and applaud you. And I DO mention names of these MTs to account managers on a regular basis, praising their effort on these impossible dictations. Don't know if it helps, but I like to believe it does!  On the flip side, there are other MTs who are just a disgrace to our profession - they're not learning or new (we can tell). They are simply lazy and sloppy, making the most horrendous careless STUPID mistakes one can even imagine.  Sometimes my mouth just hits my desk in horror.  And I just shake my head and wade in and fix the entire report myself - that's what I'm there for, right? And for those who take offense that some mistakes are stupid - well, there are some that are stupid! No questions are stupid, but mistakes sure can be!  I wish all of you could see firsthand what is out there as far as the quality of MTs.  I know you would be amazed at the disparity between MTs.  And we ALL makes mistakes, yes, but its how you handle them that counts. I try to be so kind and respectful to all with my corrections, even the lazy sloppy ones.  So many MTs are so sweet and write back and thank me for the help, which is totally not expected, while the lazy ones write back screaming at the injustices of their errors!  Or they call the president of the company screaming in indignation! Its a shame - I could give dozens of examples of absolutely incredible lazy not-thinking mistakes, but I would never want to embarass someone who I probably QA'd and who might read my post.  I never want to hurt a soul, but really wish some MTs would just think while they were transcribing.  Some MTs do try so hard - and with all the odds stacked against them by the dictators from outer space! Just my rambling thoughts at the start of a long night shift in QA-land!
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Please also check borderline personality disorder on the internet.  True bipolar has fairly long periods of either mania or depression and cycles.  Bipolar is more ongoing pervasive personality of poor coping skills and conflicted interpersonal interactions.


My advice is to realize there is probably nothing you can do to help them or change them other than altering the way YOU deal with THEM for the good of your own mental health!


Comment

Not sure why you needed the computer as I am assuming you already had a computer and the equipment?  Most computers with fairly new Windows system would work okay.  I personally feel the rental fee is kind of a bad idea in the long run at $48.00 a month.  Sounds like you may need a phone line again unless you can get wireless.  You'll have to talk to tech, I guess.


As far as learning and training, are you on DQS? 


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With any job anymore be it MT or something such as an engineer, there is no such thing anymore as job security. I myself am 27 having 7 years experience as an MT. I actually got started in MT after my first year of college as I wanted something part-time . . so much for that:) Do I moan and groan sometimes about work, sure, we all do either if you are an MT or not, but at this point in my career I am confident that if I do not feel that I am getting enough work to provide myself with a wonderful life and not just getting along that I can submit my resume with confidence that I will find something to suit my needs.
can you say what the comment was?


I think it was the comment
that you type fast that got everyone's goat. Being an MT is just not that simple and hardly something to just learn on the sly for some "extra money." By the way, most of us at-home MTs actually started out in the workforce and got enough experience to BE ABLE to work from home, not the other way around.
Thanks for the comment but this is...
exactly what I mean. It is like there are those in this field that think just because you can pick on an error "clarity" vs "clearity" it makes you better then the next. I will admit I am not the best speller or and expert in grammer but I am not DUMB and no one should be made to fell that way. Especially if I am looking to the QA for guidance.


COMMENT

Hayseed, Aren't you the gal who did 1700 lines in 6 hours or something like that?  In that case, it's likely you wouldn't have any problem making their quota.  But, how about that hourly rate?  Will they be saving money by putting you on hourly, will you be making more money than when you were doing MT work?  Ask for all the details in writing, would be my advice.  Ask them to also state, in writing, if you can return to MT if you don't like QA.  Congratulations and good luck!!


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This is a good solution; it puts it in their face, so to speak.  I've heard that people have to hear or see something an average of 3 times before it sinks in.  If they receive no feedback, they think everything is okay or totally horrible, depending on their own point of view (this is for all people in all aspects of life; I suspect that doctors will just assume that everything is okay).  If they receive negative feedback with a smile, they tend to believe that improvement is optional.  A more dramatic, serious approach is necessary. 


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My situation may be a little bit different from yours, but you are not alone, and ER reports seems to be the main star.


I don't have any answers, but I'm kind of in the same boat with you.  I have been working on an account that has all worktypes.  I begin working very early in the morning, when I might be the only one working on this account.  The ER reports supposedly have top priority, right after the stat reports.  My problem is that lately I've noticed that once I complete all stat reports and am getting to the good stuff--the ER reports, whoever is managing the queue changes the priority of the more difficult OP reports and consultations, so that they float to the top of the queue, above the ER reports.  This maneuver would sometimes make sense, but the account specs are such that the ER reports have top priority. 


So, then, it takes several more hours to get to the ER reports, at which time there are so many workers on board that I end up getting 1 or 2 ER reports.  I've lately gone from making over $22/hour to a mere $7/hr.  I feel like I've been messed with, simply because I really got used to the account the way it used to be and now someone has come along and purposely made it more difficult for me.  I have the option of signing off, changing my hours, or going elsewhere.  I do have another interview pending after successfully completing the testing at another company.  I know that the grass is not always greener, but there is a limit to what type of treatment that I will tolerate.


Comment

I agree with you. 


This situation seems to be the end result of long years of MTs trying to do their best, while plugging along and accepting the treatment of the facilities, that filtered down to them through the MTSOs, who may or may not be addressing the issues of bad dictators with the facilities, for fear of losing the contracts.  I believe, it is the job of those who have direct contact with the doctors (i.e., those at the facility in the HIM dept).  According to what I have observed, they are not doing this job, and are either clueless, don't care, or enjoy this special power of oppressing the workforce from afar.  It also seems that they are not required to properly train their dictating clinicians.  Some of them are very active, however, in checking reports for proper comma use and such details, and do not hesitate to contact the MTSO to complain when the MT left out a comma, or failed to select the proper date of service on the header, failed to read the doc's mind and did not realize that when he/she coughed in a certain way, it was a clue that he/she wanted a copy sent to Dr. Joe Doe, etc.  Of course, they actually do not pay for headers and footers and they do not provide the MT with enough information to fill in all the details on the header and footer.


I have an egg timer.  I spend exactly 3 minutes trying to figure out a blank or the correct name for a doctor that requires a courtesy copy, etc.  If I cannot accomplish this in 3 minutes, given the lists that I have been provided or internet resources, the report gets a blank and it is sent to the QA department to figure it out.  Each report gets a grand total of 5 minutes for multiple look ups of blanks that are the fault of the dictator or due to me not having enough information to fill in headers, footers, consulting doctors, etc.  If it is my fault because I do not know the terminology, and the word was dictated clearly, I will take more time researching.  If the MTSO wants to address the issues of poor quality dictators/dictations with the facility, that is their choice.


If I were to have my own accounts, I would hope to have a deep pool to draw from so that I could include sanctions for such difficulties in my contract with the option of discontinuing service to those who proved to be so difficult.  However, I do not wish to be a dreamer, and don't think such deep pools exist, at least not in my part of the country, so I haven't even tried this option of having my own accounts.


 


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I"m not sure I understand your comment, and I am not here to debate, but the account that I work on has plenty of difficult dictators, as well as plenty of easier dictators, comparatively.  My point was that you cannot depend on what type of report you will get at any given moment; there is no picking and choosing and the next in line might just change due to major shuffling.  It is not predictable by worktype either.  Whether there is plenty of work depends on how many MTs are working at the time, whatever jobs have been added to the pool, etc.  There is often no work during third shift.


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Don't let the naive and trusting cause you frustration.  It will be their loss in the end.  Per the well-known phrase--The only way for evil to prevail is when people do nothing or continue to choose to remain blind and trust and support those who have proven themselves to not be worthy of trust.
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Unfortunately, the "come around" part does not happen automatically; action is required in order to stimulate a reaction.  I admit to being part of the movement to treat doctors as regular human beings and requiring them to respect us as human beings, as well.
If you don't want to comment so be it...sm
You don't know me, I don't know you. I didn't see the harm.
wry comment
Maybe TravelinMT was just "wryly" commenting. How did I know she had been out of work? If so, why wasn't she commiserating with me, instead? Why did she even bother to read the post or comment at all? I was simply asking for advice, not trying to step on anyone's toes. I am in no way feeling sorry for myself. I am actually working, but will probably be out of a job in several months, so am searching now. I was simply asking about the possibilities of finding work.

I appreciate all the helpful posts, though.

I basically wanted to find out if anyone thought I could still find a job, period. And, if after a month, I should be feeling worried? It is amazing to me how many companies do not respond to resumes sent, so is hard to know where a person stands.

Thanks to all of you who gave me actual advice and encouragement. It is much appreciated.


Wry Comment
Geeze, you have two choices in this life, you can cry in your own misery or you can choose to make it better. I choose to fight, no one owes me a thing in this life. I have a son with a chronic disease and cancer, I am a single parent, I have often worked 3 and 4 jobs at one time. That is how I fight, I do what I need to do to make life the best it can be. AND WHO ARE YOU to decide or question whether or not I should read or answer a post? (The last time I looked this was a open forum on the internet.) That question goes both ways, Why did you post such a stupid question? You asked a question, I gave you an honest answer, Look in India because that is where the majority of our good jobs have gone. I have worked at more than one facility as a consultant knowing/seeing the writing on the wall as their on-site transcription gets out-sourced with promises to the employees that they will be working at home and the next thing they know the hospital says sorry, you have just been laid off. Life is tough for everyone. Suck it up and get over it. If you don't fight to make your life the best that it can be, no one will do it for you. Be grateful you are still working and have time to look, so if it takes you a while at least you still have a paycheck coming in.
Has any one else been mad from a QA comment?
I am just irate.  The first e-mail I opened today was from QA telling me "don't guess".  Boy that sent me through the roof .  I don't guess at anything, and it really bothers me that someone would accuse me of doing so.  Has anyone else ever had that happen to them?   How did you handle it?  I want to call the person and scream at them, but know I can't do that.  I just find it extremely insulting to be accused of guessing on a report, that is like the worst possible insult for an MT.