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Even different versions of Word count the same, so it's not that either. nm

Posted By: Sheesh on 2007-07-19
In Reply to: My thoughts exactly - JustATypn


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MS Word versions
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Sharing with older versions of Word.
There are some problems with sharing files with older versions of Word. Although there are ways to get around it, it sounds as if it might be a bit annoying. I am thinking about upgrading, and this came up in my research.
Two versions of Word on the same computer will only work
correctly if the oldest version is installed *first*.
There are updated macros in all versions of Word
except 2007. The macro for 2000 is called macros9.dot and can be downloaded from the Microsoft site. The AutoCorrect Utility in 2002 & 2003 is in the support.dot template that is included with Word. You can go to this site to get the macro for 2007:


There are updated macros in all versions of Word
except 2007. The macro for 2000 is called macros9.dot and can be downloaded from the Microsoft site. The AutoCorrect Utility in 2002 & 2003 is in the support.dot template that is included with Word. You can go to this site to get the macro for 2007:


Or you can simply locate your .acl file and back that up. It's easy to find if you add an entry and then do a search for it by the date modified. Just make sure you are searching hidden files and folders.

Depends on the versions of Word and WordPerfect. sm
Some WP versions can read Word .doc files, some don't. Some versions of WP will not accept copy/paste from Word. The advice to save the Word document as an .rtf file may be your only choice.
What version of Word? That can't be set in newer versions. I had to do a macro --sm
I hope this link works for you. It shows how to make the macro. I use alt + semicolon for it because it seemed those would be a convenient shortcut to use. H

Here's the link (you'll probably have to copy and paste it):


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Difference in Word 2007 from older versions

I have a trial version of Word 2007 on my computer, and I really like its layout.  It's not a fully functional version, so I can only try it out so much.  Has anyone made the switch from the older versions of Word and liked it better?  Has it improved your productivity in any way?  Any problems with it?  All feedback appreciated.


Smartype only works in specific Word versions.
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why on 1 computer for the same report would the word count be different in Word? (inside)
Like on 1 computer with word the document was 27000 character counts w/spaces

and the other computer (the one i type this account on says 13,000. How can there be such a difference with Word being the same? I am baffled.

Calculating lines using Word Count in Word
I have recently started a job where lines are calculated using the Microsoft Word word count tool. I think I read that you get cheated out of lines if a company counts this way. Is this true?
In Word 2007, you can add Word count to the status bar.
Right-click the status bar and select Word count. Once it appears on the status bar, you can double-click it to bring up the statistics dialog box that shows characters. You can also find this option on the Review tab, Proofing group, Word Count.
Word count: 824 lines. DocuCount count: 897 lines.
I just counted the same file in Word and then in DocuCount, and DocuCount was higher than Word.

Just as an aside.
Word Count
If you use the Word count tool to calculate characters and then divide by 65 or whatever your company uses for this, it is fairly accurate. However, if you are calculating just *lines* with this tool, please keep in mind that it counts ALL lines, including blank lines between paragraphs, etc. This is probably what the poster below has experienced. It is not accurate for counting just lines.
Did you use the word count (m)
in Word that is under properties where it lists "word count", "line count", etc.? It doesn't look like it's completely accurate if you go by that line count. Or did you go by character count? Maybe that's more accurate?
If you are using word, it will count your
Word line count
The company I IC for told me to use the word count in the Word, divide the characters with spaces by 65 to get my line count.  Are you guys saying that this is not accurate?  The owner is a very honest person, so if this is not accurate, I'm sure she does not know it.  I think this is how she bills her clients as well. 
line count in word
Use the characters with spaces count and divide by 65.
How can you count your lines in Word, I used

to use the word count in Word and then divide it by something to get a standard line count for that report. Has anyone done this before? I forgot the way to calculate when working in Word.

I use both DQS & Word and avg about the same line count.
Two separate part time accounts.  I really don't see much difference.
line count in word
Microsoft word line count - what is the name of it and where can I buy it.  Also,on a dictaphone, how can i tell how many minutes of dictation i have left. 
Word line count
This is what i actually meant. i get paid per gross line and i need to figure out how many lines i am typing per day. someone told me there is a program for that
Do numbers how up in MS Word Count

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Word count program
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Not 30%...use your word count funtion

under tools.  Take the number w/o spaces and divide by 65.  That will give you the line count.  Then take the number with spaces and divide by 65.  You will see that the difference is more like 20%.  So making .12 a line w/o is great!  Wish I could find a work that paid that.

So do they let you get your own line count using Word or
Line Count in Word

I am an IC and will be starting with a new client this week.  Can someone tell me how to get an accurate line count in Word?  I know that have a word/line count in Tools, but I have found that it is not accurate (it usually gives you more lines than you actually typed).  I don't want to cheat anyone, so I am hoping someone can tell me how to get an accurate line count.  Thanks in advance for your help.         Trish

Line count in word

Depends if you are counting gross or cpl.  The gross does count the blank lines but it is an accurate line count.  You can even put on the numbers to show you that it is.  You can do this under file and page set up.  You can also do to sections only.  But you can also take characters with spaces and divide by 65 or whatever character line you are charging.   Other than that you can buy a program that works.  When I used a program I liked Sylcount as you could set it up to count twice for a capital letter,bold, underline, etc.  And you are using two characters to do that.   But it takes a while to get used to and time is money, so I told my docs I was sticking with gross lines, lower rate and easier and less time to count and so we all agreed.  They are happy, I am happy. 

Line Count in Word
Thanks very much.  Very helpful.  I love this board -- I get so many answers to questions I have!  Thanks again.
I have an account that I use Word Count
I highlight the entire document and take the line count by my line rate.  They pay it.  It's not cheating.  It depends on what was set up with the client.  I have another client that I take the total number of characters, divide by 65, and then multiply by my line rate.  This is another way that is not cheating.  Word Count can be accurate if used properly.  It does not cheat.  I've compared my line counts with someone who has a line counting program and it came out to be the same.
Word line count
I check my Word line count against my employer's every few days or so. While you're in Word go up to Tools, Word Count. My pay is supposedly 65 cpl with spaces too, so I divide the word count that says with spaces by 65. I just did a report with 12,722 characters wtih spaces by my count. I just checked their count by dividing that number by 65 and my count was 195.72. On their counting it is 196.
No, I do not have Word, Just Works that does not count spaces.
Regular vs Extended word count.
Regular Word Count uses the MS word original module to count words (with or without spaces) etc. On the other hand, Extended word count uses the MTStars FlashCount built in own module, the difference between two lies within the supported document types. Extended Word Count supports more document types than Regular Word Count.


If you are using Flash Count for MS-Word documents only, Regular word count is the preferred method.

In Word you take the line count with spaces SM

and divide it by 65.  That will give you your line count.  So, if my report had 11,700 characters with spaces, that would equal 180 lines.  Multiple 180 lines x. 0.11 (your cost per line) and that would equal $19.80 for that particular report.

Good luck!


luv2type-line count in word
Thanks for your help!  I'm in Ohio about 1 hour from pittsburgh.  they're are a lot of docs here though.  does it sound good to try and negotiate and start at a higher rate and then drop down a bit?  Also does using your line count in word work pretty good for you.  Do you not find the need to get a separate counter?  Thanks so much for your help!
I used my word count function and got closer to 15.5%
...count instead, or raising your word rate. nm
headers, footers, word count
I am an newbie IC and just started a new Dr. when I realized that MS word does not count headers and footers with word count.  Any way you can include headers/footers in the word count or do you have to count it all separately and then add them together?
Word does have Line Count under Tools.
not have an add on.  I use MS Word 2003 and it has a line count on the tool bar.  Are you sure you know what you mean when you say there is no line counter in Tools in MS Word?
Line count verification in MS Word.
I get paid on a 65-character line with spaces, no headers/footers.  When I highlight the text I type (nothing else), and then check under Tools, Word Count, characters with spaces, and then divide by 65, I'm still coming up about 6-8% higher than my company's line count.    Am I doing something wrong?
Cut and paste a report into Word and run a line count there.
extended word count counts spaces. nm
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In Word, take the character count (with spaces) divided by 65... SM
that will give you an accurate line count, but you'll have to write the character count down for each and every report before you finish and send the report.  I put a button on my tool bar that I just clicked to bring up the document counts and then I just kept a log that wrote down job number and character count for each report.  Then at the end of the day just add up the characters divide by 65 and you've got your line count for the day.  Kind of a hassle, but worth it in the long run.
I have word count in MS Word

Under file, properties comes up the word count that shows the lines plus characters with and without spaces and I have no add-ons as I am the MTSO. 


One client uses word count.....total divide by 1000
Word Macro to count Lines Strict inside


The solutions others gave are good, but if I just needed to get the number of lines with typing (and don't need an invoice or a report), I'd use a Word macro.

The other solutions offered have this drawback: If the body of your document contains tables, the count Word gives you is vastly inflated, for Word counts each cell in that table as a line. This is not what the eye sees, and becomes problematic when you try to justify such to your client.

Below is a macro for counting what we at Emmaus call Lines Strict. (i.e. Lines with typing on them, vs Lines Extended that includes the blank lines).

To use it, copy from Public Sub through End Sub, and paste it into your macros along with your other macros. Easiest way of doing this is (after you have copied the appropriate lines):

1. Click Tools | Macros, and select an existing macro.

2. Click the Edit button.

3. Once the Visual Basic Editor opens, press Ctrl+End to move to the bottom.

4. Paste the clipboard contents.

5. Click File | Compile Normal. (If you've pasted things that don't belong, it won't compile.)

6. Click File | Close and Return to MS Word.

Merry Christmas!

OOPS! I looked at the HTML code after I pasted the code into the editor on this board, and it added things that when pasted into the Visual Basic Editor in Word will not compile. Here's the code if you want to retype it, but pasting won't work. If you send me an email, I'll attach the code into a .txt document, and you won't have any problems.  vjoet@attglobal.net

Public Sub GetLinesStrictCount()
    Dim CharsStrict As Long
    Dim Count As Long
    Dim ParaswBlanks As Long
    Dim ParasWOBlanks As Long
    Dim LineswBlanks As Long
    Dim BlankLines As Long
    Dim LinesWOBlanks As Long
    Dim NumOfTables As Long
    Dim NumOfRows As Long
    Dim TableRowCount As Long
    Dim x As Integer
    TableRowCount = 0
    NumOfTables = 0
    NumOfRows = 0
    ActiveDocument.ComputeStatistics (wdStatisticCharacters)
    ActiveDocument.ComputeStatistics (wdStatisticLines)
    CharsStrict = ActiveDocument.BuiltInDocumentProperties(wdPropertyCharacters)
    ParasWOBlanks = ActiveDocument.BuiltInDocumentProperties(wdPropertyParas)
    LineswBlanks = ActiveDocument.BuiltInDocumentProperties(wdPropertyLines)

    NumOfTables = ActiveDocument.Content.Tables.Count
    If NumOfTables > 0 Then
        For x = 1 To NumOfTables
            With ActiveDocument.Content.Tables.Item(x)
                NumOfRows = NumOfRows + .Rows.Count
            End With
        TableRowCount = NumOfRows
    End If
    If CharsStrict > 0 Then
        ParaswBlanks = ActiveDocument.Range(wdMainTextStory).Paragraphs.Count
        ParaswBlanks = 1
    End If
    If LineswBlanks > 1 Then
        LineswBlanks = LineswBlanks + 1
    End If
    If ParaswBlanks = 1 And ParasWOBlanks = 1 Then
        BlankLines = 0
        BlankLines = ParaswBlanks - ParasWOBlanks
    End If
    LinesWOBlanks = LineswBlanks - BlankLines
    Count = LinesWOBlanks
    MsgBox "Lines Strict (with typing) = " & CStr(Count + TableRowCount)
End Sub



You can set Word to not count blank lines by changing your paragraph style
to automatically double space after the paragraph.
Yes, there are different versions...

The version that I worked on had access to other reports in the system, which was nice.  What I did was type in MS Word then paste into Meditech via Shorthand, just don't tell the company that you're doing that.  Otherwise, if I had to type directly into Meditech, I wouldn't have made any money.  So, like any platform, there are good and bad aspects to it, but it really depends on which version.