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Your reasoning does not make illegals ok, still

Posted By: breaking the law, using our resources illegally. on 2008-01-16
In Reply to: really now - CeeCee

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Make money? I'm not making any money because of my decision. You read my reasoning
You can agree with me or not, but don't make false assumptions please.
Illegals
You must live up north somewhere-- they are always climbing over the fences, running across the desert, etc., and you can see where they've been by the trail of dirty diapers, trash, cut water lines, using cattle watering holes for bathing, etc. I live in Arizona, too, and whenever there is any crime here, shootings, child kidnappings, etc., the first place they head is back across the border. Our car insurance rates are ridiculously high because they pick out a model they want to steal and across the border it goes-- especially if you have a 4 X 4, SUV, etc. The Mexican police use them for their patrol vehicles. I also worked for a local hospital and when they get sick, they flood the ERs with no insurance, of course, and the ERs are obligated to treat them. Everybody else has to sit for hours because they can't get in. Then of course, the "bleeding hearts" sign them all up for AHCCCS, which is the state welfare for health care, and they get everything for free-- while we have to pay higher health care costs to cover it. I could go on and on. I am not against people coming here LEGALLY, but the word here is LEGAL. I don't care if they are from India, China, Mexico, or where-- the word here is LEGAL. This country is just like Rome being overrun by all the barbarians, and we all know what happened to Rome. The same thing is going to happen here-- just wait.
illegals
Ok if I must I will go in to detail here for you, Jay. And anyone else who must know. I only know about 3 LEGAL folks that are Mexican immigrants. BUT I have met MANY illegals and I will tell you why. I live in Southern Mississippi. As I am sure you know Hurricane Katrina hit this area dead center. It was indescribable. Well A LOT of illegals saw an opportunity to work and they came to this area. Well my father does disaster cleanup. He had a lot of equipment and crews who did cleanup for the state. Well he did even though it is wrong hire many illegals to work for him. I know other people too who did the cleanup who also had a whole bunch of them living on their property also and I mean a lot of them. I have met many, many illegals during that time. Not just ones who worked for my dad but others. My dad has now realized he made a mistake letting them work which is a whole other subject. He knows it is better to leave them alone let them find work elsewhere. But he learned the hard way you can't help them. I have also. But that is how I have come to say it is from exp. Experience with many of them. They seem so humble and pitiful at first. But they aren't what they seem. Most anyway. They begin to expect more and more money. They will steal you blind. The many I have met yes. Dad lost every piece of tools that weren't too large for them to fit in a vehicle. He has a 500 sq. ft. metal building that was stock full of every kind of tool and equipment you can think of he had gotten over the years. EVERY tool down to his screwdrivers were stolen little by little and no one but these illegals working had access to these tools and other things. He is having to start all over buying these things. Do you see now why I feel this way. I have known so many. I am not someone who runs their mouth without knowing what I am talking about. Oh and when I say they don't have good hygiene these people would work all day in the hot sun and you can imagine how bad they would smell and come home and have access to showers and many wouldn't take them. THAT is disgusting. I'm sorry. So yes Mr. Jay I have known quite a few illegals. How many do have YOU know?
Illegals
They don't care who they live down the road from --- they have more rights than the cop does.

I called a local hospital and was told that all illegal immigrants have FREE unlimited medical care, covered under a government program called Trailblazer. The hospital representative told me that they are not allowed to turn anyone away, so the government set up this program to partially compensate the hospital for the care of these illegal freaks. The rest of their care is passed along to private pay patients and insurances companies. The insurance companies then raise their rates to cover their losses, and fewer Americans can afford insurance. God Bless the USA --- at least if you are a foreigner. In my area, it is Arabs. They (even the illegals) free education, free medical care, free social social services, food stamps, free legal services, free housing, etc., etc., etc. Of course, we are all paying for these "free" services with our tax dollars.
reasoning
I am talking about my own experience, but that is not all I am talking about. I would like to know where you got your information as to the "industry as a whole" because I strongly disagree with that statement and suspect you are also speaking from your own experience. I know many people such as myself who hold a CCA credential and are working in coding depts in major hospitals and other settings. Also, where did you get your 70% failure rate info and where on the AHIMA web site does it say there is a problem with employers accepting the CCA? The failure rate is actually somewhere around 40%, 2006 was about 46%. Much of that is because people attempt to take the exam without the requisite experience. The CCA was designed specifically because before testing for the CCS credential it is recommended that a person have 3 years of experience. CPC may be something more common in whatever area you live but I can tell you that in the area I live, which is a very large metropolitan area, we do not have CPC-credentialed coders in our hospital coding areas. If you check the AHIMA journals and read ads for coders, you will find that the great majority require AHIMA credentials (CCA or CCS). Same is true for Advance for HIM, etc., as well as local hiring practices in this area. We do find the CPC in clinics and physician offices but not med rec depts, and oftentimes they are hired with the caveat that they will earn an AHIMA credential within a given time period. Yes, my experience, but don't discount it just on that basis. It represents what is happening in my locale.
No reasoning with an idiot, so I won't try.
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You see, there is no reasoning with an idiot. nm
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I agree on the illegals but .....
they're not the only ones sucking our system dry. I live in a state where 10% of the working class pay for 90% of those freebies on the government payroll.

My mother raised two children on her own. She had a high school education, worked her butt off for everything she had, sometimes working two jobs. She NEVER asked the welfare dept for a dime. If we didn't have the money, we didn't buy it.

But no, I see those beautiful cars sitting in front of the projects. Thought they couldn't have all these expensive things and still get all the freebies. My brother and I didn't get free healthcare, free dental care, free vision care. No one came out to make sure our home was UP TO SNUFF.

Heck, we got million dollar NEW homes going up in our town, single family homes. Tearing down the OLD single dwelling homes and putting up new homes, all for the taking of those who have some reason they can't do anything for themselves, while my mom watches this all happening, knowing she didn't get the freebies and the help. She doesn't say much but BOY AM I PISSED OFF!!!!

My husband and I work for everything we have. Our kids have better than we did, some would call them spoiled I'm sure.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind helping any in real need, that's why God put us here.

But you know the old saying, give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish he'll eat for a lifetime. Of course, I've seen many who don't want to learn how to fish either, they just want it at their doorstep.
I will state also that the illegals I know ARE..sm

They are paying taxes so they don't get caught....albeit some of their papers in order to pay taxes are fake.  They also work 2-3 jobs per person and are contributing greatly to the economic success of this country and are slowly but surely TRYING to get legal.


And you can take that to the bank!


illegals and jobs

My 2 cents. They should throw the book at anyone hiring illegals in the first place. Fine any business tremendously! 


If they allow these illegals to work as citizens, they are not going to work for peanuts anymore! They will want as much as everyone else makes! There go all those jobs that we need!


Yes, America was made by immigrants but this is too many people! Why can't they allow so many people  from each country?


One last thing, there are many corrupt border control guys on OUR side of the fence receiving money for allowing illegals to cross. That is the truth!


Now there's some convoluted reasoning.

All professions expect to be paid. If you didn't pay your doctor or dentist and then asked for an appointment, you would be refused until your bill is current. Your trash doesn't get picked up if you're behind on the bill, the car gets repossessed if you're not pay on it, etc.


The idea that you should do work so that the patient doesn't suffer is just ridiculous. The patient had their appointment and paid for it. They got what they needed/wanted and you can bet the doctor was paid.


You should IMMEDIATELY cease working for this office until you are paid, period. By continuing to work for them without them being current only shows them that you are a push-over, not a professional at all. Get some backbone and contact this office immediately.


Warn but give no reasoning.....
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This is extremely dangerous reasoning. SM
It isn't what the "suits" are saying, it is what they are doing.  These are two totally different and separate entities.  My God, are you so complacent that you cannot even take a look around and see the face of the future?  No one is telling anyone to not just "be happy."  A little foresight and present thinking is imperative, not only in the MT world but in many other areas of business, especially IT.  It's all going over to Asia and it's all same-same there. 
I don't see the reasoning for 15c for ops and 12 for acute care.
discharge summaries and consultations when PAs and physicians are shuffling papers, trying to find lab data, etc.  Once trained on ops, it's the best moneymaker work type an MT could have.  DS and CON = wasted air time and should be paid higher than ops, IMHO. 
The illegals also can work at these low wages because
they live 5 or 6 families to a house. Every time you hire illegals (and if a job is bid at half what an American can do it, they ARE illegal) you are contributing to the destruction of America. Have you ever read any reports of what its like to live in a neighborhood with illegals? It rapidly declines into garbage and filth. This is the only way these people know to live. They do not care to assimilate into our society. They would rather we degrade down to their level. Enjoy that money you save. May you also enjoy a few of these families coming to YOUR neighborhood.

Oh, and don't think they just live in low income areas any more. Nah, they are spreading into the McMansion neighborhoods. 7 or 8 families per house can afford to live there, and Bank of American is oh so happy to loan them the money. Ain't American great?
This, in my opinion, ranks right up there with the illegals using....
your Soc Security number to work under. It's an illegal act, no matter which way you look at it. And, when "they" are tested on the phone for an interview, how is that going to fly? This whole reeks of illegality and purely a *wrong* thing to do.
and you could have just as easily skipped my posting by that reasoning
Okay, Message Board Police. Next time I decide to express my opinion I'll run it past you for permission first, okay?

Amazing
and all that is in your post to back that up is a red face for reasoning?
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Just give up...no point in reasoning with an individual who does not want to understand. nm.
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I'm with you on the illegals, but paying taxes is not an insurance policy.
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Puhleez, what exactly is the government doing about illegals crossing the border?

Absolutely nothing.  NOTHING!  The government sanctions sending American jobs oversees, puting thousands of American workers on unemployment!  So why should I or anyone else feel guilty about trying to get what we rightfully deserve?


As far as testing on the phone goes, doxie, you can be listening on an extension and write the answers down for your husband.  Don't feel guilty.  You're going to pay your taxes.


oh our lovely government does give illegals medicaid, foodstamps, and housing so in term we give tha
i have been through some rough times lately and had to apply for some help. there are signs, big signs, all over our offices saying "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LEGAL TO GET HELP". so we and our government do give them our benefits whether they are legal here or not. now that is messed up. i am helping to support them so they can take away my jobs and i can't even support my kids and yes i get benefits, wow $75 a month in food stamps which lasts not even a week in a household of 6. don't get me wrong, i am thankful for any help at the moment, but i get penalized for trying to work my tail off and still can't survive.

there was recently an article in our local newspaper where one of our local school districts tried to charge $1000 a year for each illegal student enrolled. it was bulked and the illegals got a lawyer to sue for discrimination. the school district merely stated that they had to HIRE extra teachers that could speak the foreign language just to teach these children and were trying to offset some of the expenses. ridicilous!! so again our taxpayers money is paying to educate illegals as well.
You spending 3K in gasoline to make 4K plus all that time on the road?That doesn't make sense Pat




How nice that the world revolves around what you make and no one else could possibly make more. sm

Marla in So. California pays 11 cpl for a 55 ccl, Oracle pays 9-1/2 cpl, MDI-MD 11 cpl, JLG 10 cpl for gross line, etc.


Of course, these are rates negotiated and paid to qualified MTs.


When I see mistakes I repeatedly make, I make a quickcorrect for it (sm)
for example if I type we plant o instead of "plan to" I have a quick corrct so that if I type plant o, it replaces it with plan to, etc. It is hard - I was with the same company for 8 years. I do not work for anyone with an accuracy requirement though.
When you make the copay, make them give you a sm
receipt for the amount you pay them.  I know they don't like to do this because it takes time, but if you are really stern and insist on a receipt they have to give you one.  Then, the next time you get billed for something you already paid, tell them to look for their copy of the receipt and let THEM do the work. 
Yes, unfortunately you do have to make a pest of yourself to make it work, but.....
as the years went by that is why I stayed away from those type of companies.  BTW, Noni is a fabulous product, I absolutely do not care for the "marketing techniques" they use.  One of the facts of this type of industry is you cannot just recruit to make it, you have to retail.  Ever since I "overhauled" my techniques and system...I never had to ask another person to some on board again.  Well, nuf for now.  Take care and have a blessed week!!
lol cut myself off. Anyway, I'll make close to what I used to make with MQ,
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You can't make things worse and could make things better.
The skinny woman may be ill.  The guy might not know the dog is a nuisance.  Who knows?  Maybe it is not as forbidding as it seems and maybe they just need to be asked in a nice way. 
What do you make.........?????
Just once, I would like to see some sympathy/empathy on this board instead of arguing. Where are your feelings??????
Make sure
you get $ offer in writing with Transolutions BEFORE you start. AFTER you start they don't remember what they offered you and at that point you are stuck. Benefits are VERY good!

Otherwise, QA has gotten very difficult!. Their platform is VERY, VERY, VERY old - it stinks! And good luck getting a response to questions from anyone in the office!

You might want to keep looking.
YW :) Yup, they sure can make you want to...

...sometimes, that's for sure.


Hang in there


Make that four.
I've worked for a couple of large nationals. The folks at Amphion are RESPONSIVE and positive. They'll go out of their way to get things done for you (even on a holiday). Very down to earth and appreciative of the people who generate revenue.

And nope, I'm not management, just impressed because I've been management and know that what they're doing works.
You make no
This all began from "no whining" attacking a newbie on here for spelling a word incorrectly. I am sorry, but we all "started" this profession at one time and there is LOTS to be learned, and the English language is ONLY THE BEGINNING! That poor soul that was attacked hasn't returned! Now, you tell me, is that fair?
also,make sure they

know how the other account is counting their "lines" and make them aware that what sounds like a good deal, may, indeed, be costing them more. Good luck to you.


 


I think I can make your day

I'm presuming that their template is stationery ...


1.  Pull the template to the screen.
2.  Place a left margin where you want it. The little "L" appears on the ruler.
3.  Look at your ruler and you'll see one triangle on top of the other and a box underneath the bottom triangle.
4.  Put your cursor on the box, hold down the left mouse button, and drag it to where your margin is (you said 1.75" or 2").
5.  Release the mouse button.


You should now be able to type away and nothing will write over what's down the left side of the page.

If this doesn't work, then I think a table is in order, and I can show you how to create one that is visible on the screen but invisible when you print.


Make way more now as an IC of course. nm
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Hmm...will it make you really

Angry if I let you know that in Canada we spell it COLOUR, GREY, NEIGHBOUR, etc... I really was not saying whether one should spell it a certain way or not. In fact, since I have lived here I do spell it the American way. My observation was simply that there are plenty of countries that spell it cheque. I cannot believe some of the comments that have been made. I don't often post here as people do seem to be rude sometimes, and I am not likely to do so again.


I want to make that much $$$
HOW?????? are you making that much money? I type 80 to 100 wpm (depends on how I'm feeling any given day), and I am only making MAYBE $32 to $34K per year. I want to make the big bucks. I am good at what I do. I have a word Expander and all kinds of shortcuts. My clients love my work. But I want to know how you all are making that kind of money. Please tell me your secrets.
The only way they will make any $$ is if they
sucker other people into signing up.  It is a multi-level marketing thing.   Unless they are good sales people and they sign up people who are good sales people it is a waste of time.  
IMO QA should make MORE than
and no, I'm not in QA, but seems to me that they have to know and/or understand what the MT doesn't in order to do their jobs, so why don't they make more? They should be hourly, but as I said, just in my opinion.
make your own job
Even owners don't get to work  that schedule/hours with that pay  So guess you will have to "make" your own job?   To pay you what you want in an 8 hour shift, you would still need to produce 2000 lines to bill out to the client so we could have the money to pay you, that is why we do cpl.  Like I said, everyone would love that schedule/hours and pay.   When you find it, beam up Scotty and let me join you. 
Wow, how do you all make that much?
I work about 5 hours a day, five days a week, and I am lucky if I make $1000 a month
Make that DH, please.
:+
Yes but how much do you make?
All of those cushy things are great, but the pay is so bad working at home.  I will be making 20 dollars and hour plus benefits plus many many days off, paid holidays, great insurance.  I can't make 20 dollars an hour working at home.  Do most people?  How much an hour do people make working at home and how many hours do you put in?
you just have to make it one of your sm

many priorities.  I just started 3 mos ago and have finally decided that it is important to my health, so I have to make time to exercise.  Even getting up and doing a bunch of jumping jacks once per hour is better than nothing, but if you can take 30 minutes to walk or do yoga or run or whatever, it will be a good thing for you and might even increase your productivity!


 


I think they probably look to make sure....
that the company is not paying $1.00 per line and we missed it!
Make a Wish (sm)
If you could choose between being paid by the hour versus being paid by the line, which would you choose?  Why?  And how much either method?  Just dream a little bit--nothing outrageous, what do you think would be fair to both sides. 
Can you get SSI for your son, or is that what you make too

much money for? 


Yes, make too much for SSI

I think I have applied three times in the past 11 years.  Once we were $200 dollars over the limit and I know I should have consulted a lawyer then to try to do something but I just figured it wasn't worth it or we should be able to get by.  He's had to have three major surgeries with minor ones along the way in 11 years.  We were just climbing out when he had to have another one three years ago and now we're down again.  I can't blame it all on that though.  We have had some miss management of a few things but it's not like we live in a big house and drive new cars and take elaborate vacations.  (vacation, what's that).  I just don't understand how some people can live like that do.


well if you get on there make sure
to give a shout out to all your fellow MTs - I'll be rooting for you !