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Do u honestly think that was planned overnight?

Posted By: long before Bush.......matter of fact on 2009-01-21
In Reply to: Kept us 'safe' from terrorists for 7 years? - Don't you mean ATTRACTED them?

it would be while Clinton was in office, when he had bin laden handed to him on a silver platter along with other terrorists and didn't take them out THEN.......

You can thank Clinton for that one......the butt kisser

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US, Israel planned ME war

Why does none of this surprise me?

'US, Israel planned ME war'
13/08/2006 11:06  - (SA)  

New York - The US government was closely involved in the planning of Israel's military operations against Islamic militant group Hezbollah even before the July 12 kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers, The New Yorker magazine reported in its latest issue.

The kidnapping triggered a month-long Israeli operation in South Lebanon that is expected to come to an end on Monday.

But Pulitzer Prize-winning US journalist Seymour Hersh writes that President George W Bush and vice president Dick Cheney were convinced that a successful Israeli bombing campaign against Hezbollah could ease Israel's security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential US pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations.

Citing an unnamed Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of the Israeli and US governments, Israel had devised a plan for attacking Hezbollah - and shared it with Bush administration officials - well before the July 12 kidnappings.

The expert added that the White House had several reasons for supporting a bombing campaign, the report said.

If there was to be a military option against Iran, it had to get rid of the weapons Hezbollah could use in a potential retaliation against Israel, Hersh writes.

Citing a US government consultant with close ties to Israel, Hersh also reports that earlier this summer, before the Hezbollah kidnappings, several Israeli officials visited Washington to get a green light for a bombing operation following a Hezbollah provocation, and to find out how much the United States would bear.

The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits, the magazine quotes the consultant as saying. Why oppose it? We'll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran.

US government officials have denied the charges.

Nonetheless, Hersh writes, a former senior intelligence official says some officers serving with the Joint Chiefs of Staff remain deeply concerned that the administration will have a far more positive assessment of the air campaign than they should.

There is no way that (defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld and Cheney will draw the right conclusion about this, the report quotes the former official as saying. When the smoke clears, they'll say it was a success, and they'll draw reinforcement for their plan to attack Iran.


which was planned under CLINTON
what is it with people that choose to ignore the facts!!

which was planned under CLINTON
what is it with people that choose to ignore these tiny little issues...

Planned Parenthood's "take"

So it's your business, right?  If it is, fine.  Then tell that to all the libs who shove that "choice" called Planned Parenthood down every taxpayers throat.  To me, that's no different than paying for someone's poor choice of drinking MD20/20 or something.

PP is a huge business.  But apparently the bulk of those here who watch the mainstream media just gobble up all they say, and don't seek other sources for their information.

Yes, but the Planned Parenthood you keep referring to
it has to have funding from somewhere or it will cease to exist and those counting on it would be left behind. Not even talking teens here, but adults, too, who can't afford high OB/GYN bills often use Planned Parenthood services. Some people use birth control for reasons other than just birth control, too, which every MT should certainly know. It's been used to help migraines, dysmenorrhea, etc. I was a teen who took BCP not because I was sexually active (I wasn't), but because the doctor tried everything else for my debilitating cramps and nothing worked. The BCP was the only thing that kept it in check so I could actually attend school for those 5-7 days each month. I guess that's why I don't necessarily feel it's the gov't's place to step in and control this. Anyone who would've seen me taking BCP would've surely jumped to the conclusion it was because I was promiscuous even though there was another explanation entirely.
Well....if Planned Parenthood spent as much time and money....
offering contraception as they do abortion, it might make a difference. They make a killing...pun intended...on abortions. Millions of dollars. And can't afford to keep a clinic open 7 days a week??? Where is all that money going? I love their clinic rules...we will take a check for any service EXCEPT abortion. Cash up front for that one.

It was, in fact, the Memphis Planned Parenthood clinic site I was looking at.

I went to check on Memphis to see if planned parenthood had an office there....
because of what you said about offices not being open to service people, and sure enough, it was planned parenthood they were talking about...the hours of the memphis clinic the same as what you quoted. What I am saying is, if they got 200+ million in grant money from the feds, and make over 6 mill in profits, don't you think they could extend their hours and spend a little more on making sure people had access to birth control, if they really CARED about getting birth control out there? Economics 101...restrict access to birth control = more unwanted pregnancies = more abortions = more profits. Abortion is the only service they ask for cash up front, no check. Does that not tell you ANYthing? Does it not bother you AT all that they make the kind of profts they make and they get 200+ mill grants from the feds as well?? It bothers me!
And you think that terrorist attack was planned in just a few months during his presidency?

I pray our country will not be sold out from under us.  Sorry, but this election has me very worried.  So many things to consider.  About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than.  I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another.  I must say this drives my husband crazy.  But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.  About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'.  I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight.  We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California.  He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.  During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip.  Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.  My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?  Neither I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college.  When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York.  It is at this time he  wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.  Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?  It's not cheap! to say the least.  Where did he get money for tuition?  Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year.  Why Chicago?  Why not New York? He was already living in New York.

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago.  Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year.  Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association'.  About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.  Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School?  Where did he get the money for Law School?  More student loans?  After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down.  But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what?  They represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's firm.  Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.  In 20 03, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money'  for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price).  With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property?  On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased.  Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

 Now, we have Obama running for President.  Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss.  She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first.  Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran!  Do we see a pattern here?  Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran.  This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan?  They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign contribution for Obama.  Where is that money coming from?  The poor and middle class in this country?  Or could it be from the Middle East? 

And the final bit of news.  On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'.  When questioned, 'he made a mistake'.  Some mistake!

 All of the above information I got on line.  If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

 Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this?

 A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from within'!!!


Tell me you don't honestly believe that. How sad.
They feel no more entitled than pretty much any other person in this country.  I actually like Bush's speech and Obama's as well.  I didn't care for Lowery's one bit tho.
I was looking for someone that wasn't going to try to use smokescreens and magic tricks.  I would like for the US to stop sending aid to other countries for awhile so that we can fix our own issues.  We have families here in the US that are hungry but yet we send millions overseas without expectation of repayment.  I would like a president that is not going to use his position as president to feel he has the right to invade other countries as Bush did with Iraq.  We are not the fix all for every countries problems.  I would like a president that is truly going to make our military the best in the world again.  I would like the welfare systems fixed.  I could go on and on but I have work to do.  I truly do hope Obama can come up with new solutions to fix old problems this country has had.  What we are going through now is nothing new, but past lessons have not been learned.
I honestly don't know what should be done.
First of all, I don't understand why they haven't been brought to trial yet - why can't they be tried in the Hague - isn't that supposed to be the neutral territory for that sort of thing?

I'm not saying that it's not the right thing to do, all I'm saying is that a lot of thought has to go into this because these people have a whole lot to gain by attacking America again. Think how highly they would be revered by their country if they survived Gitmo prison only to be released and succeed in attacking America! What the answer is, I don't know, but just to blindly say we're gonna close it down without any plan of how to actually do it just doesn't make sense to me.
Are you honestly that stupid

that you can't tell the difference between someone hoping someone burns in hell AFTER they die (having had nothing to do with their death) and openly and publicly encouraging America to ASSASSINATE the leader of a country?

Are you really that much of a moron, and as Gadfly said, why in the world do you WANT to openly reveal that to others?  Some of you people need some SERIOUS professional help.

I have to say, honestly, I am just not interested.

That is my true feeling on the matter.  I am absolutely zero vested in conspiracy theories or ascribing blame.  Blame will not bring back anyone and at the same time, I feel there was a long long line of failures leading up to 9/11 that started way before President Bush and continued through many presidencies.  I hope, no matter what, in the end they can have peace of mind.  I am sure it has to be hard for them. 

I'm honestly not sure what was inapproprite
Honestly, how can you overlook this? Where were you when they were (sm)
passing out brains? Or did yours just get washed by Obama?
I just watched this. Can honestly say it was
honestly i don't care
where the questions came from. if you have nothing to hide, why not ANSWER THE QUESTION?
Honestly, as our system is now, there is no
reason for anyone to be homeless. Before you tell me, I understand about mental illness and all, and, perhaps, those people are not making a choice, but anyone without enough money to afford a home can get one through our current welfare system--they must only ask.
Honestly wondering
I didn't vote for O, but I think he wants to be a honest, decent president. What I'm wondering is, what is all this hoopla doing to his ego? Who wouldn't be swayed by the fawning, adoring fans, the coronation-like atmosphere in the media and the comparisons to Martin Luther King and Lincoln? How can this NOT give him an inflated sense of self-importance?

So, I'm wondering, when it comes time for him to enter the White House, is his head going to be too big to fit through the door?

He has a serious and important job to do. I wish this day would be treated with the importance it deserves, but not with the carnival atmosphere I've seen displayed.

Honestly, Shelly.
You and I almost never see eye to eye on issues (except I agree 100% with your above comment about filibuster) and sometimes the content of sources you post drive me up a wall, but I've been reading your posts long enough to know that you do not typically get nasty and personal and, for the most part, you try to keep yourself out of the attack mode. At least you do a better job of than than I do.

I guess I'm just feeling old, tired, scared and a little sad. Old enough to remember when the country was not so divided. Tired of feeling like I have to be on the defensive all the time and not being able to talk issues instead of constantly having to wade through a mine field of slams and insults when expressing an opposing view. Scared of getting back on the job market after 6 months of unemployment. Sad because I'm missing the good ole days, which I know deep down in my soul will never be coming back.

I forgot frustrated. Frustrated that I find myself full of sarcasm and anger, sometimes for reasons I cannot even understand myself. I've been active in politics since 1966. More than anything, I love a good healthy debate aimed at exchanging differing points of view and oriented toward common ground and goal-setting, destined toward workable solutions. I used to know how to do that and do it well. Now I'm not so sure I will ever regain that part of myself and I really, really miss that one simple pleasure. Any suggestions?
Honestly, it's all about power
for the democrats in office, in my opinion. They want people to depend on the government so they have more power. That's what should scare the heck out of all of us much more than if they are helping someone in need or not.
You honestly believe the junk you spew
wholeheartedly.  You can't believe that even some liberals may be offended at your far leftist projectile vomiting.  You are paranoid of anyone who isn't patting your back and affirming you every step of the way.  You aren't a mainstream liberal. I know you're not, because I have shared some of your pukings with some liberal acquaintances of mine (yep, believe it or not I pal around with some liberals), and they classify you as a wacko.  I read where you are from California.  Well, you are probably pretty affirmed in California, but in most of the rest of the country you are far out of the liberal mainstream.
Well, honestly Democrat, the times that has been tried here. sm
I have been tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail by everyone but you.
Honestly, you didn't miss much.
It was not one of his better shows, but he still cracks me up!
you honestly think that was a worthwhile post?
Is this honestly how most Dems treat others?
Oh honestly, how often do you get it "shoved down your throat"?
If it's on a forum, don't read it. If it's on TV, change the channel. I'm sure you don't get Christianity shoved down your throat anymore than we get "Go Obama" shoved down ours and "oh you right wing crazies" and all that other mess!

You honestly think Obama will pray to God before he...
makes a decision? Oh, don't let the liberals hear you say that. They will be calling him Bush Jr. LOL.

Seriously...he CAN make it worse than it already is.

I do pray for the country, continuously...does not mean I need to check my brain at the door and you shouldn't either.
If you honestly studied O's plan, you should be
please answer a sincerely honestly sm
asked question if you don't mind. Who IS YOUR gOD? You never say who your god is?
Do you honestly think the Iranian president can be reasoned with?
I know you think Bush is as evil as he is (maybe you think Bush is worse) but do you honestly think the Iranian president is a reasonable person? I think nukes should be a last resort, but it should be in the contingency. I think you and the writer of the article are looking at this all wrong. Sometimes you have to saber rattle. When the neighborhood bully is issuing threats and does not appear open to negotiation you have to show him you can beat him up, and basically that's true. We could light up his little sandbox of a country inside of 30 minutes. He knows that, but he's just testing the waters to see how passive, poll-sensitive our country has become. He, like the rest of the fundamentalist Islam Jihadists, are testing what our resolve is.

Hey, but have a good shopping spree. I'd hate to have to count on a nuclear war to erase my debt...
Honestly sam...you really need to get a life...You are completely obsessed by all this...sm
This is not healthy for you to stress and research over what you cannot control unless of course you are being paid to defend Palin.

No, honestly it does not make grammatical sense
no it doesn't
Honestly, it was the "please opine" comment
that struck me the same way. I thought, prior to that, it was a decent discussion.

There has been so much petty partisanship here lately that I guess I took it the wrong way. I apologize.
I have honestly lost track on how many of O's picks
do you honestly think only these appointees are not paying taxes?
These are only getting caught because they are being thoroughly investigated for their positions. How many do you think are cheating and not getting caught because nobody seems to give a darn at the IRS about the big government people, only us little people who are being taxed to death anyway!
Don't waste your breath. No one with a modicum of sense can honestly
believe these things. Some folks just like to stir the pot. Besides, look how the conservatives have cannibalized themselves in the elections past and have attempted to do so this year (claims in South Carolina of McCain being a traitor, etc.).

Some people will only ever see what they want to see. Unfortunately, they are victimized by those that play into their prejudices and fears.
Who honestly cares, as long as the terrorist threat was stopped. sm
Until all of you stop your Bush rabid hatred, the terrorist threat is not only lost on you, you look for something more sinister and it all has to point to Bush.  This is really disturbing.
Do you honestly believe that a evil tyrant like Sadam Hussein would NOT have WMDs?
He used chemical warefare on the Kurds in the 1980s. They exist.  They were well hidden and are probably now well hidden just across the border into Iraq or Syria.  Stop kidding yourselves! 
So if he knows your soul before you have a body, and the body he planned for that soul is killed (sm
Does he just give the same soul to a different body? Just curious how your beliefs work.
Honestly, it was dumb....twaddle dumb....